Does Sat May 13th work for anyone?  We can meet at the crystal or the park.

-John

That works for me John. BTW, do I know you from the VML?  Just a feeling I have.

Love, Mairlyn ;-)

ok, in 3 days I will explore with you John and Mair. anybody reading this feel free to join our experiment. I feel like bringing gifts for everyone who signs up, like an individual gift just for fun.

thank u John for suggesting this. love, alysia

Thanks, John,
I look forward to it!
bets

Oh gifts! Yes I'll come!

Spooky

u are making me chuckle too much Spooky. ;D

Count me in also.   ;D

Heya guys!

Been away a little while checking in every noun and again and checked in and saw this, just in time! I would love to come join in if thats ok and meet everyone.

And say hello to John! Havent met before, hope things are well.

Ryan

Hi gang, I'm here too.   Count me in.   8)

We have eight now. I think one  more is coming. please sign up.  heres a suggestion: write each persons name down on paper before the actual PE.

as you write their name allow yourself to feel their signature. we do not know each other, but this is a way to connect in the subconscious area, to make our journey yield up more info.

then when Saturday comes and u sit down to do the journey, unplug the phone and give yourself at least 10 minutes to stay with it, without falling asleep.
let your imagination go as wild as you want, no matter what crazy symbol you see for the group or the individual. u will interpret as you will and we will interpret as we wish also. nobody will judge what you get negatively. at least I won't!

and the main thing is don't make it a chore. make it a fun thing. hugs, alysia http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/grouphug.gif

and i invite any of you to make suggestions for us as we are floundering a bit here to start...each one of us has a piece of the puzzle so don't go shy on me...

;D   can u tell I'm speaking to myself and you are all a part of me?

Well I can hear you Alysia! ;D

(((((spooky)))))) :-*

This is great,  I'm glad we have so many on-board!

Just out of curiosity, who's going to use what method?  I hear that some folks use the method of setting intent before going to sleep.

Personally, I'm going to use methods very similar to what Bruce teaches and writes about.  I sit up in a chair with my eyes closed, bring in energy, and let my imagination run free, bringing more energy when I need it to stay focused and awake.

Afterward I quickly write down as many bullet-points as I can remember, then I go over it again and fill in as much detail as I can.

-John

Hi John I use Bruce's method and the other one both before going to sleep.
I imagined a gift for each person today before our PE and asked the guides, also imagined, what gift for each person would be something they could relate to. then during the two days I have left before PE, once a day I think briefly of each person just to keep them in my mind as part of my intention setting method during the sleep cycle also.
this way I may manifest in the dream something that is beneficial for anyone's growth or encouragement as well, and it might also verify what I got in the imagination from today.

this just my personal method...not asking anybody to follow me...I am experimenting as usual.

I am thinking I'd like to go to the park of focus 27, near the library, but I think if you all go to the crystal that would work just as well and I might end up there, you never know!

might end up at my latte stand in the sky too, gotta have my caffeine! cheers, alysia

Alysia, I too feel that we're probably at the point where we can go somewhere specific the next time. Most of us now are pretty used to meeting at the crystal. We can all still meet at the crystal but go someplace after we've met and charged up. We can decide where to go for the May 28th PE. How's that?

Love, Mairlyn ;-)

that sounds good Mair, its compelling to walk thru the crystal each time, even tho I've never been physically to TMI and neither have many of us been there, still I hope everyone read about Bruce's experiences with the crystal energy as that's what I imagine as a boost.  that crystal is fascinating. you're so lucky, did u get to touch it? lol, probably has a lot of fingerprints on it? maybe I should go polish it!

so, yes gang, mair has a good idea...a meeting spot and then we can see what developes from there..its spring and I'm going to see if a garden has sprung up somewhere......I'm going to look for Spooky in the sky, he's always up there! ha ha!
let it flow.....hugs, alysia

Oh yes, I've touched it many times and have put my arms around it as far as they would go, but no one has arms that long. LOL There's also one up the mountain at Roberts Mountain Retreat that is even bigger. It's supposed to be the biggest in the world and the Smithsonian wants it. Very powerful energy in both of them.

Love, Mairlyn ;-)

I only did the imagination one this time. I haven't fallen asleep tonite and its 6am so I probably won't dream trip for the PE this time.

AP: a river, no a stream at first. we stand on the bank and u stick your foot in. the current is fast. next I ask u want to do a canoe ride? a canoe appears we get in. u say I want to row. I say the current will take us, no need for rowing. we go around many fast turns like a roller coaster. I say, this is your life.
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Mair: I see a tan color honda civic and you take me to town for a lovely shopping trip. next I hand you a gift of a new set of dominos. have no idea except that I get the impression you will work with these to produce a domino effect on something, where everything falls into place.
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Chilipepper: an old comfortable shoe. this tells us that your adventures obe will become like slipping in and out of a comfortable shoe.
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Betson I saw like a summer resort type town with a relaxed easy pace, near a beach, a nice breeze and I saw you walking there. thought it was a vacation for you.
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John I handed you a soccer ball and a boomarang.
then thought that what you send out comes back to you. the soccer ball, I'm not sure what it means but you seemed to be good at making the ball move with your feet.
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Vickie and I went looking a the larger vista view, with mountains and sky, like the edge of the world. we flew up and I said "don't look down, we just keep going for now." we returned and I gave you a fushia cosmos flower. my favorite flower.
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Spooky: we discussed a table guitar..sorry, I forgot whats it called but its good for the blues tunes.

hope you all had a good exploration. hugs, alysia

Greetings,
I forgot to set my intent to attend--busy puzzling over recent changes, health included. (Is this astrologically some time for change or something?)

But Alysia I wondered-- did you set up several days ago those gifts you gave us Saturday?  Because Fri pm i dreamt my husband and I were on vacation at a beach town! Not surprising to me actually since it is our favorite get-away, altho I've never dreamt of it before. Fri's dream had hubby going off on a side tour with a bunch of rowdies in a beach-bus, so that would have left me free to enjoy the quiet scene you sent---thank you!
bets

My exploration didn't go as well has I had intended ... I had a glass of wine with dinner and that greatly impaired my ability to focus.  I'm extremely sensitive to drugs of any kind.

Here's what I saw:

   I went to the crystal at TMI and immediatly noticed two women and a man (out of body) hanging out at the crystal.  My first impression was that it was spooky, Maryilyn, and Alysia... but maybe that's just who I was expecting to see... not sure.   There was a HUGE column of spiraling energy coming up from the crystal (which I wasn't expecting at all)... it was like a fast, powerful river and pulled me up into it's current.  Very nice.  I mentally asked everyone present what we should do next?  A retrieval?
I immediatly shifted to an airport, the view was outside of airplanes sitting near terminals.  I had the impression that there was some sort of tragedy and that a man had died in or near an airplane and now he was stuck there in his beliefs.  I'm not sure why, but I greatly resisted continuing with this retreival and made myself shift to another one (I don't think the wine helped).

I now saw a little girl about 7 years old (named mary??) pacing around in a small room (with a wood floor) by herself.  She was waiting for her parents and would not go with anyone else.  As soon as I was able to take in the scene, two helpers showed up looking like her parents.  She was over-joyed to see them and went with them.

I have no idea why she would have been stuck, or why nobody had shown up before as her parents, but I got the impression that it had something to do with her being stuck on a lower vibrational level that they couldn't access.  Perhaps part of what retreivals are (and I think Bruce has brought this up on the board and in his books) are people (us) that are still in bodies and thus on a wide variety of vibrational levels (low and high) can act as a bridge between higher and lower levels. (love and fear).

Alysia -> I love the soccer ball!!  That's great... I suppose I did get the ball rolling for this PE... and I played soccer on teams as a kid and still like it.

-John

thats cool about the beach town Betson, I really liked the peaceful feeling in the area I felt and it was a soft glow over the place. so glad I had a hit! I saw the image the 11th I think but I think that when u PE u don't have to do on the same exact day as the others to get little symbols. if you are not going on vacation soon to this resort, then I may have been seeing the state of mind, your center, and it was quite lovely and glad I met you!
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John, so u played soccer? I was thinking that u did, but was a foreign idea to me, as I never did this and do not like sports..lol...and yes you certainly got the ball rolling and thats probably why I saw the ball. I think you did well with what you saw. I hope you do more retrievals and PE's. hugs alysia

I haven't consciously done the PE yet but I feel somehow that I was there during my sleep. Alysia, thank you for the dominos. I love this:


Quote:

Mair: I see a tan color honda civic and you take me to town for a lovely shopping trip. next I hand you a gift of a new set of dominos. have no idea except that I get the impression you will work with these to produce a domino effect on something, where everything falls into place.

Somehow, this really resonates with me, the idea of getting them and the domino effect where everything falls into place. I can see them clearly in my mind. ;-) And I'd love to go shopping with you. LOL  I love shopping. LOL And I love you. ;-)

John, I think this is great for your first time. You made it there, no doubt in my mind. Seeing the swirling energy confirms it for me and then the retrievals. Looks to me like you're a natural. ;-)  Oh, and John, wine doesn't help, neither does pot nor any other drug. Perhaps you were held back from retrieving the man because of your fears and wine.

With Love,
Mairlyn ;-)

Hi all,

1. Session:

The lawn at the TMI There had many flowers on it, I thought that's because Alysia wished to see some flowers. Alysia then gave me a bunch of flowers, their blossoms were light-rose colored, like a rosequartz. In the blossoms were many more minor blossoms which each radiated a lightbeam upwards, also in light rose color. When I held the bunch of flowers in my arm I had an odd idea. I spread the flowers on my suits, and they became part of it, like glowing patterns.

I thought of what suit am I wearing? It was a blue-grey silk suit, fluttering when I was flying. And now with the light-rose and green flower patterns, which moved around my cloths and it was a nice color contrast. I had to concentrate on gravitation to stay on the ground.

Then I wanted to say hello to the other people and remember some brief impressions: John7 to me looked very tall. Betson was normal in height, with shoulderlong hair, middle brown (maybe dark blonde or reddish brown), we greeted us with cheek-to-cheek, Mairlyn was in white, and she was doing something with the surrounding the group was standing inside. There was Ryan, of course I thought of playing bass with him, he was playing with a plectrum (don't know if this word exists in English, this little plastic thing to hit the strings), and I played only with fingers. I wondered for a moment if he is a lefthander? Looked and came to the opinion, no, he's a righthander. I shook hands with ap and Vicky. ap appeared with blonde hair, but maybe I that comes from Ladysmurf!

When I focused on my own appearence I noticed on my shirt was a spiral at the chest region looking just like Spitfires new spiral-logo, but only in blue. (Saw my figure from outside) My hair became longer, grew upwards, it was mixed color, black and light grey, and then at the end my hairs there came thin threads of light, like little lightnings, as if I was electrostatic charged.

Mairlyn went into the crystal, and we followed and stood in a circle around it, we moved closer and closer until we dived into it. Then it vanished and we were at a different place.

We were on a hill, there was a pavement of natural stones and benches, a little round place. Downwards in some distance we could see a small town. Around and in the town there were those resting places everywhere like the one we were. Very cozy and inviting it looked. Despite it was a small town, there were some high buildings, about maybe 15 floors, rectangular ground plan, slim, normal looking. There were no cars and pavemented streets. All around seemed soft, everywhere you could just lay down and rest. There was this fog in the air, but stangely it didn't hinder to see distant things, I remembered this fog from a kind of (nonphysical) school where a program was called "Establishing the reality of Focus 27" and I asked Mairlyn if this school is somewhere nearby. I'm not sure what she answered, I guess it was that indeed it is nearby. Then John7 asked if we would walk down to the town, what we did.

The buildings in the town were rectangular, they appeared as normal buildings in bigger cities in the physical. Our group was on the left sidewalk, so there was something like a street, but not like the physical ones. There were "things" moving on the street. Someone which I thought to be a tourist guide said that there is no danger of a collision, the "things" would move through us, other vibration level, it was a sort of "information traffic" the guide said.

I found myself in a building, a large room like a modern office or a lobby but no people. It was large but I felt narrowed. Then I was in another building, and this was very different, the ceiling was a high dome and I guessed it was a library.

I remembered sometimes we just stood around, looked at each other and grinned, like: "Strange, now we are here together!"


2. Session:

This time I had an idea of trying something new. I decided to take a guide with me. It's a woman, she has deep black shoulderlong hair and her face looks like a mix of caucasian and asiatic. We arrived together on the lawn. We shook hands with every PEler, me and my guide moved simultaneous, and something we melted and took the look of me, sometimes we decided to look like her.

I tried again to have a look at Alysias gift, she stretched her arms towards me and she helf something in it, but I couldn't figure it out. The way she held her arms made me think of a necklace or some kind of jewelry. I remembered the flowers of the last session and thought these things have in common, they are usually given from a man to a woman.

I asked my guide if she could do a kind of "translation" work, to show me an item that has something to do with one of the PElers. She presented me a little case. I opened the case, and in it were two metal Chi-Qong-balls, this balls you take in one hand and let them circle around, and they produce tones with little bells which are inside of the balls.

I thought of Vicky, saw her picture, she smiled, it moved, she smiled more, we were looking in each other's eyes, than she giggled and we hugged.

My mind wandered a bit, I was getting in a more dream-like state, and found myself in a room, sitting on a low chair of sofa with a low table in front of me. Some feet in distance Alysia was sitting in front of a computer monitor near the room's wall, looking at it. She then turned half, and said: "Spooky, would you mind me typing something for the board?" I said: "Of course not, please write, as I'm one of your readers!" Then she turned fully to me, and looked a bit puzzled, like thinking "What was that?" I became more conscious and asked myself where I was here, then I said to Alysia: "Oh, excuse me, it's just me, Spooky, you know I'm just trying to participate in the PE, it seems I went astray! I'll immediately go back there! Sorry, bye!"

Back there, Mairlyn was again doing something around the group, she was in white again and building something around the group like an energy balloon. My guide and me were helping her a bit but I don't know exactly what we did. It seemed it has something to do with building a group-feeling.

I thought let's see something new. Maybe another location? Then I looked in the inside of a box, which was rectangular, on the sides there was sky with moving clouds, like if it was a movie projected on the sides, and in the center, the bottom of the box, was blackness. I headed in the blackness, it felt like a space, but I saw nothing, only blackness. After a while of travelling there I said to my guide that I want back to the PE meeting. Then I was back at the lawn with the crystal but no one there! I think then some people appeared again, but I'm not sure.


Spooky

A few more thoughts come as I read your PE Spooky, I really like it.
when I go to the crystal I always see Spooky floating around or flying. then he says he has to make himself subject to gravity to stay out of the air. so thought that was interesting..that I can't get him out of the air myself. might mean he just enjoys flying so much.
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rarely do I see color, but this PE the color was fushia which is the same as the rose color Spooky mentioned. I had given Vicky the fushia cosmos flower and had seen this color in my solar plexes chakra a long time ago. flowers always would be my choice to give as a gift in reality as I garden. I am trying to collect every flower that is out there...a really silly goal.
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the bell tone would be a little like the tone, that if you could read a book say, and you could "hear" a tone, that is what I would want folks to hear in my book which is being completed in layout design by my graphic artist daughter. once I had a dream, me and my daughter; in the dream I stood there in awe at her work for me; she had produced a gentle bell tone for each roadsign on the internet. boing, ding, dong, you know it was beautiful to me.
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hugs :o ;D :-*

cool Mair, the dominos work then ok..I felt good about them and about you too. love you also for your kind support and the efforts we do here on PE and for our strengthening relationship. alysia

Marilyn,

yeah, I usually don't drink or do any drugs, but I have the ocasional glass of wine or beer... I'll just be careful not to do it right before a PE!  

I've been doing retrievals for years, but this was my first PE.

-John

Ah ha, that's why you seem like a natural.

Love, Marilyn ;-)

hey John, Spooky saw you as tall, are you tall? :)

Hi again!
Let's see, John saw spiraling energy and I had a spiral on my shirt.

John was drawn to another place and task, as I went too to other places, and John was the one who suggested to go to the town I saw.

Same color of the flowers I saw Alysia gave to Vicky (Vicky I hope I didn't steal the flower from you and put it on my cloth!)

I saw a cozy place (the town and it's surrounding) and Alysia and Betson saw one, but mine definitely had no beach.

Soccer ball, Chi Gong balls; that ring my bell it's less than a month to soccer world championships right here in Germany! Allright, that's too stretched.

Would like to hear the roadsign bells Alysia, was it only in your dream or is it on your physical website?

Alysia remembered talking about a table guitar (I don't know exactly what it is, a paddle guitar?) with me, I remember playing bass(guitar) with Ryan.

John, have you become more sensitive to alcoholics/drugs when doing meditation/retrievals after a while? Seems to be the case with me.

Yes Alysia I seem to be an airy type, have to focus to stay down, seems to be like in my physical life lol!


See you, Spooky

Hi everyone.  I fell asleep but wow, Alysia, you have an amazing hit here.  I did not dream that I was in a canoe but on a ship.  The real hit is you somehow tuning into the fast currents and seeing them as my life.  There are many changes going on right now and they do seem to be causing fast, swirling currents energywise.  I can absolutely believe that I asked to row the canoe!  I should have rowed my own boat a long time ago instead of letting others do it for me.  I do tend to forget that the current will carry the canoe and I do need to be reminded of that.  Thank you Alysia for being there to do just that.    :-*

Spooky- Thank you for shaking my hand.  That was lovely.  As far as the blonde hair, well.....your hit was with Smurfette, but not with me!  Lol.  My hair is dark, long and curly.  I do remember greeting people on the ship.  Wrong place, I guess.

Now, when this happens, do you all have the same experiences?  Like, it's really like you meet and do these things?  I've used some method where I lay down and think about a place I know very well, and then concentrate on the people I should be seeing, and let imagination take over.  I used the crystal picture once, but I saw no one there, I did see the grass flowing and the breese brush over my feet, but I'm a pretty hardcore skeptic so I'm not sure there.

I would love to meet up, have a conversation, and have somone post it.

Is that possible?

I don't think I'm tall...  I'm about 5'10" .. average

wrote on May 15^th, 2006 at 12:42am:

Now, when this happens, do you all have the same experiences?  Like, it's really like you meet and do these things?  I've used some method where I lay down and think about a place I know very well, and then concentrate on the people I should be seeing, and let imagination take over.  I used the crystal picture once, but I saw no one there, I did see the grass flowing and the breese brush over my feet, but I'm a pretty hardcore skeptic so I'm not sure there. I would love to meet up, have a conversation, and have somone post it. Is that possible?

welcome Molta! I'm starting to get excited about the imagination method for a few hits here and there. I wanted to mention we are pretty new at this but we would love to have you with us experimenting the same. we all have that skeptic part of us, but nothing ventured, nothing gained!
if you haven't read Bruce's books yet The Afterlife Series, you could read the 5th book, which is like a compilation of the other four and see how explains PE, we are experimenting/exploring much the same way. I cannot go into detail here, but the way that some of us do it is close your eyes and quiet your self talk and see if an image pops up and if it does, move in closer in your mind and ask what it is. you can also set an intention to be paying dream visits to the crystal. its a little crazy, but some interesting developments come about from PE and/or plain old meditation.
It is possible to meet others this way. I have met some folks and noted what they looked like or acted like and then gotten verification later from a picture, its the person that I had seen! so maybe all of us are floating about out there? ha ha! you will get what is designed for you to get, so we are all different. we have PE every two weeks, so if you want, in two weeks, just start a thread or join the current one like you are doing now. put the date at the top and an invitation to PE with you somewhere. on this forum we have a picture of a large crystal as a home base you can look at it and try to find it in your imagination.
happy mind cruisin'!!

hugs, alysia

You got a hit, spooky,
with my hair color; it changes with the seasons and how much sun it's seen--makes it hard to buy a hairpiece! :)
Does it also have to do with changing / not knowing self?
As for the Continental manner and normal height--I certainly aspire to both!  Thank you, bets

wrote on May 15^th, 2006 at 2:09am:

on this forum we have a picture of a large crystal as a home base you can look at it and try to find it in your imagination. happy mind cruisin'!! hugs, alysia

That's what I did, and I kind of walked around a little, felt the grass, and touched the crystal, which was really cold to me.

And yeah, as soon as I finish The DaVinci Code, I'll start on Bruce's 5th book.  

:)

Welcome Molta. We're always happy to have more people join us.  

Love, Mairlyn ;-)

Hi all,
ap, was a pleasure to shake your hand; hope it wasn't Smurfette's!

Betson, nice reply! But your question is too "hairy" for me. I just don't know to what degree and how the body would mirror ones psyche.

Molta, I do these PEs just like you did. I must say that you felt the crystal was cold is matching with my impression when I was physically there, it indeed was cool (but others may have other impressions). I just imaginate the lawn with the crystal and to be there and I would be there, but it's always different, sometimes I'm flying, sometimes on ground, different items there etc. Sometimes I have a sort of must-do-things, like greet everyone, and I would imaginate to go to someone to do this and then to stop active imaginating and observe what happens. I don't know really, but I seem to be a good imaginator, that's why my posts sometimes are a bit long it seems! So, the very most stuff I get wouldn't be verificated, so I don't know if it's only my fantasy bubble or if it is in any way connected to others, or both. But sometimes there is a hit in the bunch of my imps. The task for me would be to develop the feeling what's fantasy and what's not. If I recall it right, Bruce wrote in his 5th book he has developed this feeling quite good with time.

Spooky

some further reflections on PE. but first Betson, I'm glad about the reference to a boat and a canoe ride seems like perhaps a good hit, I did forget to mention I had a little thrill as we made some fast turns, so it was fun, not scarey fun, just fun.

I wanted to mention Mairlyn's PE awhile back again because I particularly was amazed. I'm always amazed when somebody mentions they saw something which I can relate to, or they actually seen me showing up.
Mairlyn saw flashes of color once in her PE. this did not mean anything to her much, but to me, I fell out of my chair because of the two colors she mentioned.

I hope I can make this brief.. ;D I illustrate this story in hopes we can make more progress in PE that the slightest detail one gets can be significant to another. all my life I chose colors to wear which are gray, browns, army green, tan or white. now of a sudden I have a guide who has stepped into my life to work me over in regards to what colors I wear, and this guide is saying this is a self image overhaul. I am not saying I'm different to have guides, I think we all do.
one day recently the guide asked me what color will you absolutely not wish to wear? I replied I will not wear bright colors, like turquoise and orange. its appalling. then the guide said those are to be your new colors then.  right at the precise time of my wardrobe overhaul, along comes Mair in a PE and says she saw orange and turquoise!! flashes, and she said I looked pretty!!! thats what the guide said, that I looked good in those colors.

well, I told her she was correct, but I don't think she understood how much she affected me or that she had gotten a direct hit. so I'm illustrating again, a hit that seems small and insignificant to you, is worth mentioning here to another.

and yes, the crystal felt cool to my touch the first time I touched it.

talk soon, hugs, alysia

Yeah, I guess that was a pretty good hit, wasn't it. LOL  I can still remember you in those colors be bopping along. ;-)

Love, Marilyn  ;D

excellent hit Mair, and yes, suprised me a lot out of all the colors you would see, you saw the ones that I was being forced to be bop along in! ;D  I like them now. just took awhile to get used to them.

Spooky said:
' I just don't know to what degree and how the body would mirror ones psyche.'
So now I ask: Which body?  Isn't the one we each are in at the crystal just an interpretation, or have these explorations there at the crystal proved more true to our C1 features?
If our appearances are coming thru your Interpretor, then John7's greater height could be a reminder that he has more stature than he realizes, and for me that I'm still changing....?
I guess i still don't understand how and when  Interpretors are active.
:-[

Hi Betson,
I had thought of the physical body. Looking at the bodys we have at the crystal, I too would consider the appearance as a sign regarding the thoughts, psyche, mental state etc. But now, right, the problem remains if what we see there comes only from ourselves (=fantasy), or is it objective true, or is it a mix, we see something which is not coming from ourselves, but interprete it. So, when the latter is the case, for John7's height it would mean, TO ME his height was great, and that again could mean an aspect of him I perceived as bigger than the equivalent of mine. So, now you know not much more. I have the same problem of what is what and what could it mean...

Spooky

hi Betson and Spooky. you both are correct from my pov. I have surprised myself on several occassion to see folks out there whom I later identified from a picture I would receive. then, there have been times when I KNEW it was their signature, but they looked entirely different from their picture. in a few cases, the person's energy would be speeded up and when I met them in person, they acted old and tired..but they were the opposite of that out there..this pleased me, to know our energy body, our real self, can be quite active mentally and emotionally and spiritually, while on a physical level we can give the impression of being slow or non-active. so in these cases I would trust what I saw out there, and mistrust my C1 interpretation. I'm happy when C1 impression and out there match up, of course, and sometimes it does; have to keep experimenting at our own pace.

hugs, alysia

Hey Everyone!

Well lots going on as usual! I didn't make it out but knew i got out somewhere saturday night in my dreams. I woke up with a feeling of seeing you all but my only impression i can remeber is being inside, in what seemed like a classroom? there were loads of people in here but not sure who they were. they were all standing up around the desks. It seemed like a old style classroom as well.

And Spooky i think you got a pretty good hit there with the plectrum! I am a righthanded player and usually use fingers but can do use a plectrum as well, but i haven't used one for ages! so this weekend i picked one up again and started playing about on the bass so that would seem like a pretty good hit to me!

Ryan

Hi Ryan...I recently saw this forum as a classroom too, so think it is a symbol we share in common.
Spooky in regards to fantasy..don't let the thought of fantasy keep you from using the imagination. it might.  
I have an interesting story to share with you regarding authors who create "fictional" characters who are actually creating characters in the astral with their minds! are they soul-less characters? well, that brings to mind the study of what a soul is and what a fictional active astral character is.
from my dreams, I have help create aspects of people whom I had to retrieve in order to straighten out my own misconceptions in doing so. my conjectures had been misconceptions.
even this book I write was portrayed as a baby, then a child..etc..we use form, we generate form, form is all we know.  we are a thought of god. how humbling.

we are only thoughts.

Spooky, here is that story I got from the internet forums. the fellow writing it is an author of science fiction. but science fiction is a use of the imagination, the same as we do here. so I believe its pertinent to ponder our creative abilities when we utilize the imagination, as then we can get a handle on how we create our realities both shared and personal.

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Okay, now I know this sounds incredibly far fetched. I'm still not entirely sure whether to believe it or not, but its just so incredible that I almost dont care.

I'm posting this with my friend permission. He was the one who actually did the exploration since I can't project yet. I merely helped orient him towards the details of the various worlds. He wants me to post thsi instead of him since it will add more validity.

Anyway, one night I was over at my friends house. We were  discussing thought-forms,  I came up with the idea for him to try and explore the section of the astral where the world from a fantasy series I'm writing might be contained. Well, he was succesful. It turns out that particular section of the astral connected to a whole other physical universe, with its own creator.

He traveled down to the world of my story, looking for the various cities and characters. Much to my shock, he was able to confirm details of this world that I had not yet revealed, such as geographical details, hidden ruins and future developments. For instance, he discovered an island in one of the oceans containing a transdimensional bubble, an aspect of my world I had taken ardous measures not to reveal. He was able to find my characters, and accurately describe their looks and personality, still finding details I hadn't yet mentioned. Furthermore, he was even able to talk to some of them. He had a long conversation with a dragon I had yet to introduce and a powerful female spirit.

The female spirit and other gods watching over this particular solar system were quite surprised by his presence, but knew what was going on, since travelers can pass between universes. They even asked him to spar a particular person. :) One of the most interesting aspects of this world though, was the fact that it had already moved on several decades past the time my story took place, even though I'm still writing it. It wasnt just a subjective realm creating in the astral by my imagination, it had its own tangible existance.

My jaw keeping falling ever closer to the floor as he continually confirmed details of my universe. After that we investigated several other fictional worlds such as the Wheel of Time, the Shannara series and Final Fantasy 9.He found that the world of FF9 is much bigger than shown in the game, which was to be expected.

Both of us were utterly amazed by when we finally finished. Seeing evidence of the actual existance of my universe made me sort of feel like a proud father.  

We both speculated as to what connection I might have with my story, as that universe had its own creator. The conclusion we came to, is that writers such as myself are actually channeling stories, especially the clear ones, but that furthermore, we are connected to these higher Gods on a level beyond time and space, and thus the ideation that brings worlds into existance is a co-creation of sorts.

After talking over this, I found that my vision of this story seems to have strengthened. It was very inspiring.

Hi Ryan,
good you told this! I several times imagined making music and/or having a session out there, but it was the first time I payed attention to if I or you use a plectrum or not, so it's a hit that I thought of it and you just at that time used a plectrum again. These hits are good motivators, like hints "you're on the right track, keep on!".


Alysia!
Thanks for that!
There are two main ways to see it:
1. The author has channeled "his" Sci-Fi world and it's characters, so instead of inventing it he picked it up. (To go in extremo, one could assume all authors are not creative, but smart in picking up already existing realities. Imagine, all novels would be "true stories"! Or at least, novels would consist of parts of this existing realities.)
2. The author has created his Sci-Fi world. Then it is to question, what degree of independence creations have, or can develop.

It's very difficult to find out what's right.

Without decision what possibility is true, the author "has" a world which is not the physical, and his friend could visit it, telling details which the author hadn't unveiled to that point of time. So, the author's friend had access to the author's SciFi world. Now, what I see here is practically important, the author's friend knew some of the older SciFi worlds of the author, and that's I guess what made it easier to get there. How you maybe would say, through reading/talking about the older stories of the author, his/her friend got the ID of that world.
In any case, it has become a shared nonphysical world and that's what PE is about. Our experiences in the physical as well as our dreams and imaginations (including the TMI-suggested own "special place") could be a possible target to be seen by another PEler. Maybe constructive and well organized, much effort taken imaginative systems are especially likely to be perceived by others. But, as I said above, a sort of ID would be helpful then.

Soo, much thoughts are coming from that...


...processing...Spooky

Hiya!

Just wanted to reply to Betson's, Spooky's and Alysia's discussion on page three about how we see other people and recieve impressions about them.

I also, like Alysia think you are both right. I find it such a mind blower and part of the reason i don't think evidence which doesn't match 100% isn't 100% correct and a contact, just hard to believe!

I believe first of all, on a personal basis when we project, or go out there in some means, we take with us our C1 features. I don't think we need them out there but because this is essentially something new to us all it is a way to get trust and good for communication, know who we are talking too. so we have this basic image of who we are out there. But then i feel we influence our own image through our beliefs, wishes etc. So could appear differently. Also to make it slightly more complicated, say during the day someone called our projector ugly, or fat for example, this will be in the projectors subconcious mind for a little while, so this could also end up being a influence, so maybe they look a little bigger? or seem shy? i don't know how it really effects but do know it has some influence, although our basic image is there, some more hidden than others. I feel that people who are more happy with themselves (not just how they look) have a more represntative image out there.

Also to make it more confusing like Spooky was saying, our interpreter also has a part to play. But this is confusing for me because it works in so many ways, how we percieve them from a no biased exploring way. Also add out built image of them on top from talking on here etc, also add up their image of how they want to be percieved and also could be how they want to be percieved to you specifically? distortion of general projecting. theres so many more factors, i find it overwhelming to try and understand how this all works!!

Well i hope that makes sense, just wanted to post before i read any furthur. Does this seem to match your beliefs, its only my belief so could be completely wrong for all i know! But just seems to fit for me.

RYan

Greetings ryan,
Thanks for sorting things out for us on that. You make alot of sense. I can't say it 'matches' my beliefs because so much is happening I haven't formed many hardcore beliefs, just have opened some more windows on possibilities--lots of windows! What you said seems right and helps fit it all together.
I too hope you continue to explore the afterlife and help us see how much it interacts with the present life.
bets

Hi Ryan, Spooky and Bets. I like everything you guys have to say on the subject. nice to know you have no hardcore beliefs Bets, so then you can recieve more easily what is your path.

I study the interpretor part of our mind ceaselessly in obes and dreams which blend for me. I also study another author's philosophy that we create each other in our mind's eye. possibility we create others to be, and these others are not what they seem to me. sort of like beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and ugliness also in eye of the beholder..so nice to become observer of the interpretor mind.

here's one obe to show me what was in the subconscious desire dept. a friend whom I love dearly came to me door. I asked him to stay. I said I had an extra bed and I extended my hospitality nature. He looked at me crazy, for he was not there to rest. he was not tired, did not need me to "take care of him."
out there, my desire nature is to take care of people, then I woke up to work with this dream. it was not others who were tired..it was me. I sought rest from my entire life! I always dreamed of having a bed and breakfast and I would give hospitality to travelers.
this obe I concluded was showing only a part of me, not the whole of me. but it was a real part of me and the circumstances had a lot of feeling around them.

but takes me a long time to figure things out. then my friend decided to mirror me. he jumps on a bed and starts pouting to show me myself. I needed to save someone. I run over to save him from pouting...lol...its me I'm saving. I start poking him with my hands as he's in the fetal position...I tell him he's the greatest thing ever happened to the music field. lol. his ploy worked. I have now been reprogrammed when I wake up. he had come to ask me about getting back into  music field instead of bed and breakfast business.
so then I realize I have just not only been entertained but reprogrammed back in C1. I sit down to contemplate being out here in the ozone. I say, ok, music it will be but I have a problem with my energy level. he says what will be your diet? I say whole milk. he says I will go get some for the morning coming. I say, does this mean you will stay? he didn't answer that. he just left to get the milk.

I consider this a PE because I've had 17 encounters with this friend so far, each of them so instructive in guidance that I no longer feel I'm using him, but that we help each other out there and use each other the same to learn from. sometimes I learned its best to be the student instead of the teacher all the time, and so I say if I get manipulated I can look at it another way, that I can turn it into a learning experience of positive nature and the dreams get a little less crazy.

all that is like the subconscious mind has so much in it. and the subc and the C1, they should be friends, as integrated, is the worthy goal!

so keep exploring always is my thought. hugs, alysia

Hi!
Ryan you are right to mention how recent experiences, if we want or not, can influence our performance, here and there.
And Alysia, great reply! As you show in your example how we can have a look at ourselves understanding messages from the subconscious.
I am reminded of what I've heard from eastern consciousness practics, which I would in short say the purpose of it is to become self-transparent and controlled. Meaning in the last consequence, there is no difference anymore between subconscious and conscious. Same awareness in sleep as in waking state. Don't know if it's possible, but I guess if a person rose far to this "clearing" and lucidity s/he will much more present and noticeable to others in a PE, as this person would less "flicker" due to inconsistent self-images and ponderings, but I guess also the one who watches this person must to some degree master this issue. Or like Ryan put it, persons who are happy with themselves, yes!

Spooky

...but it might be some have strong aspects, almost independent, and those aspects might also be good perceivable by others...

Hey Chuckles, with regards to what you wrote about the sci-fi story and the correlating voyage taken into that imaginitive world... I find it to be rather intruiging on multiple levels. I also believe that if it was to be fine tuned and polished it could make one heck of a blockbuster hit! In addition, I bet that if there was a really good "story compiler" out there, that he/she could take a lot of what has been written on this forum and what Bruce and many others have written, and make one heck of a movie as well! Not only would the general public find it all to be an amusing movie, but it may also open up a lot of minds to more possibilities and possibly help to usher in these Earth changes even faster... Again, the writer would have a lot of work ahead of him/her to put all of the information into a cohesive story, but the end result would be overwhelming to say the least!

(I would watch it!) ;)

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

your right CA, coming here is better than watching TV, thats for sure better than Gilligans Island rerun. lol. PE can be great fun to get a hit. make u feel good all day.

say spooky, it was a steel guitar I saw that time, that you would be good at it. they slide the bar around on it and make it cry. hugs, alysia

Hi Alysia, yes I guessed that's what you meant, usually used in country/western music, but saw it also once when a guy played the blues on it. I don't play it, but I did practice many years ago slide-guitar (just a bit), and my music-partner also does it on some songs we use to play. I have thought actually if I should return to practice slide guitar, you're saying I would be good at steel guitar, I take it as a hint, and maybe you really picked it up!

Spooky

Spooky, I was talking to you, and you could play anything good..the potential was there to learn and play any instrument good as I saw it. the steel guitar is one of my favorites, so i might have had some bias or just been asking you a question.
well maybe next PE we can get a band up...I seemed to be talking about this out there, as I can't seem to keep my mind on an ordinary PE!  lol....how do we do this anyway? I know it happens.

ok, talk soon, have to move out of NM...
see ya when I get back. alysia

Wish you a good travel and a nice new home Alysia!

thanks Spooky ;)