I remember reading that we all come to this planet because the "learning process" is much quicker here than in that of the spirit realms... (i.e. without experiencing the intense emotional impact that can be induced while on Earth... learning becomes a much slower process.) I was wondering about that, because if we are learning within an infinite time frame... why should time be a considerable factor at all? Wouldn't it seem to be more reasonable/logical to have a smoother, more comfortable ride through the lessons of creation/life (such as in spirit), than to be thrust into a potentially chaotic arena as can be found on Earth? I just feel that if we can learn the "same lessons" under each condition (spiritually/physically), why then should a considerable reason for coming to this planet be the factor of increasing the speed/time at which it takes us to learn? After all... we are all working/creating within the "confines" of infinity here. Does it really matter if we take a little longer to learn our lessons or not? Especially if one way to learn is far smoother/more enjoyable...

Thoughts?
PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

I have been asking the same questions!
why so hard, especially as we are all here to help with the progression of the earth into the next "phase"?
If I have to come back here again, I want to come back with my knowledge intact!
Why does the birth process make us unconcious to our purpose?
I am only just beginning to work out my lifes purpose, but surely I could have been far more useful if I had kept the memory of why I was here and had the confidence to use that knowledge positively. (I had no confidence because at every turn I was knocked down for my "unusual" beliefs

Your not just here to learn , your here to be tested on what you have learned.

The veil has been place down over us so as we can be challenged. And its challenging to be sure.

Cosmic,

What if the speed of learning isn't the reason we come here?  What if existence in a place with emotional impact facilitates experiencing and learning from some things that just don't exist within any other system?  

Maybe who ever said it was about speed of learning was just expressing their own belief about the issue?  Maybe their belief has been misinterpreted by others and written about, or was it was incorrect in the first place?

In trying to understand something about what's true and what's not true, by reading about other people's beliefs about what's true, I find it best to read as many different people's opinions as possible.  Then I look for what is common to all of them.  I figure whatever is common to all them probably is not the whole truth, but it's probably closer to whatever the truth actually is than any single person's belief or opinion.


Bruce

hi there, nice thread Cosmic.. my take on Bruce's thoughts (glad to see u Bruce!)  is it's all an interpretation of truth and one must salt the food liberally with our choice of seasoning.  I don't think reading necessarily creates real knowledge of who we are or are becoming, but reading makes life interesting.

we sample each other's wares.
the other day I thought I was clever, I assure its just an indulgence. I wrote down that life was like we each had a store in a mall. you enter and make your purchase of facts. you go in another store and purchase a few facts from the next proprietor; then you are gathering facts. one is a religious store, one is a natural earth store. my favorite stores are many, I have a music store and a personal relationship store I visit regularly. a friend of mine has a stock market store, but his is boring to me, but he a friend, even if I don't buy his facts that often. so on and etc and it's exciting to go shopping, maybe find a bargain, some facts cost too much for the budget of time. time is like money in the bank; sooner or later it will get spent. I like 2nd hand stores because some people don't recognize the value of what they throw away so I get a bargain for myself.  we pick and choose where we will shop. and this would be like the reading of books...some books you might say "I want my money back!" haha! but another might find much facts in it. thinking on these things I like string theory...reality is determined by the observer. in that case, theres no such thing as a common fact, theres only consensus agreement that its a fact. in other words they said the world was flat and we all believed it one time. so now that I have you chasing your tail, I shall see if I can catch my own! lol!

Cosmic welcome again to afterlifeknowledge store!
you know, if I had known what I know now and not had my memory wiped out upon birth, I wouldn't have had all the experiences I've been thru and I would not be who I am..so I subscribe to Monroe's "probe" idea. we probe here and gather.
heres a tag explains my view a little: Perhaps my best years are gone but I wouldn’t want them back, not with the fire in me now..William Yates

more along the lines of your post thoughts Cosmic, there can be a syncronization of events individually speaking as well as collectively, a speed up which can happen when living in a now moment which precludes thoughts of the past or future;  u get the smoother ride versus the bumpy, but only if that's how you want it so that u observe it that way, by observing it you create it because u r always looking for what u think about and focus on.  then the now holds as well the future, as it is one thing seeming to be separate, but once u have all your eggs or facts in the basket u make them connect.  emotions are a whole 'nother subject! I could rattle on that subject of emotions for a couple centuries...I gotta go to the store..lol...but we are all aliens and didn't know what an emotion was until we came here...are u buying that??   lol...
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Thanks for all of your sincere replies,

Bruce wrote:

"What if existence in a place with emotional impact facilitates experiencing and learning from some things that just don't exist within any other system?"

Thank you Bruce, I like that idea (better resonation), and furthermore I will toss it into my immensely flexible belief system...

Bruce wrote:

"In trying to understand something about what's true and what's not true, by reading about other people's beliefs about what's true, I find it best to read as many different people's opinions as possible.  Then I look for what is common to all of them.  I figure whatever is common to all them probably is not the whole truth, but it's probably closer to whatever the truth actually is than any single person's belief or opinion."

I "extremely" like what you wrote here... Hence, I found my way to this forum! Also, that is why I post on this forum... (to gain as many objective opinions as possible about any given subject regarding the afterlife.) You can't necessarily receive the types of answers you're looking for regarding these types of questions, in say, a "fundamentalist" setting. You have created a sort of "gathering" place here, which to me feels like a bridge of familiarity/warmth/guiding light to what are arguably some very honest/sincere answers to what are some very honest/sincere/sometimes difficult questions. -- (Thanks again :))

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Thank you for your welcomed thoughts Laffingrain.

Maybe we can call "this" store: "Probes 'r' US"! LOL

"Resonation"... It is seems to be our best answer to any given question. :)


I honestly thank you all again,
PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

HI Alicia-

Sounds like we live in a sort of Cosmic Thrift Store. "Used ideas, cheap, marked down from the Upper Astral."

C-A, there's always a reason. When I work with smokers to get them to stop smoking I can get roughly 95% success in a single 2 hour session, but they have to be willing to abandon their "comfort zone". Life in a world that includes a few cold showers means faster growth.

Actually, like Bruce, I tend to gravitate to the store of prior thoughts by others to seek out similarities and consistencies. Perhaps one day we can figure out a way to use a similar technique to construct a "proof" of some sort.

d

Dave_a_mbs wrote:

"Actually, like Bruce, I tend to gravitate to the store of prior thoughts by others to seek out similarities and consistencies. Perhaps one day we can figure out a way to use a similar technique to construct a "proof" of some sort."

I like that idea Dave_a_mbs... ;)

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions  

I was just struck by one of those little thoughts that hit while sitting around putting off housework on a rainy Sunday morning...

Remember those "Outward Bound" outings, projects, whatever, that were a big thing in the 70s and 80s?  Maybe still are for all I know...a bunch of kids who I went to college with in the mid 70s had gone on them.  They were, if you weren't a country kid, very intense, apparently.  Wham, bam, everything hit you at once, one thing after another, and for a lot of kids it was major eye-opener...I can't just do this because I think I'm cool, or because Daddy has money...I've actually got to pay attention if I'm going to step off a cliff attatched to a rope and not get killed.  

I just got a flash of this life being the "Outward Bound" of the spiritual world.  Sometimes speed of learning isn't the only issue, sometimes it's the intensity, the "in you face" part of it, the being just a little more than you are (yet) competent to handle,  that really teaches.

Of course, us farm kids thought it was sort of a joke, which makes me wonder if there isn't some even more intense "training program" for those who are the "farm kids" of the spirit world to go through... :o

Thanks cricket,

I liked your passage:

"Sometimes speed of learning isn't the only issue, sometimes it's the intensity, the "in you face" part of it, the being just a little more than you are (yet) competent to handle,  that really teaches."  

Grazie! :)
PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

Bruce wrote:

"In trying to understand something about what's true and what's not true, by reading about other people's beliefs about what's true, I find it best to read as many different people's opinions as possible.  Then I look for what is common to all of them.  I figure whatever is common to all them probably is not the whole truth, but it's probably closer to whatever the truth actually is than any single person's belief or opinion."

I have noticed, for years, a certain consistancy among graduates of TMI as well as certain Hypnotherapists that's hard to articulate.

Dave wrote:

"Actually, like Bruce, I tend to gravitate to the store of prior thoughts by others to seek out similarities and consistencies. Perhaps one day we can figure out a way to use a similar technique to construct a "proof" of some sort."

Yes! This is what I have previously called a 'preponderance of the evidence', obviously a borrowed term, and a square peg forced into a round hole. I think science needs to modify (or expand) its standard of proof to allow for things that can only be perceived in a multi-sensory way (beyond the normal five).

Rob

Good Morning,

I've often wondered what 'Omniscience' needs to learn.  ::) But then, what a great way to keep the 'never ending story' going.

Peace,
Paradox

Dave wrote:

Quote:

Sounds like we live in a sort of Cosmic Thrift Store. "Used ideas, cheap, marked down from the Upper Astral."

I love it Dave. You've got me laughing now. ;-)

Love, Mairlyn ;-)

Dave wrote:

"Sounds like we live in a sort of Cosmic Thrift Store. "Used ideas, cheap, marked down from the Upper Astral."

I like that too Marilyn! :D

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

Hang onto those used ideas. In another 10,000 years they'll be antiques!

d

LOL!!!  ;D

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions