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Message started by Cosmic_Ambitions on Apr 27th, 2006 at 1:50am

Title: Design of universe in conjuction w/spirit
Post by Cosmic_Ambitions on Apr 27th, 2006 at 1:50am
I was wondering if the design of our immediate physical universe was tied into some of the experiences as described by NDEers. For example,
I have heard a theory that at the center of each galaxy lies a blackhole from which planets and all solar system rotate around... It got me to wondering if the layout for our physical universe is interrelated to the experiences that have been described during spirit mode outings. For instance, when the spirit parts ways with the body, could it be possible that the pull imparted upon the spirit is actually the suctioning of these blackholes reported to be present in the center of all galaxies, and that the "tunnel" experiences are actually that of the soul travelling through the heart of these blackholes? It would seem a logical/useful design to me as a way to organize various galaxies and their myriad inhabitants... (i.e. whenever a physical organisms expires it's "soul/energy" is drawn by the pull of the blackhole and into/through the center of its immediate galaxy.) It would be a good explanation for the reasoning behind blackholes, and their "apparent" galactic locations... It would bring a lot more order, in my mind, to the logical design/functionability of our immediate physical universe. Maybe blackholes are merely portals into various afterlife dimensions/planes. -- Any thoughts?

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

Title: Re: Design of universe in conjuction w/spirit
Post by Boris on Apr 28th, 2006 at 12:05am
The physical layout of the spirit world and the physical layout  of the physical world don't have much correspondence. They are largely separate worlds.

When spirits come down to our world to visit, then they fit in somewhat with our physical layout.

Title: Re: Design of universe in conjuction w/spirit
Post by Cosmic_Ambitions on Apr 28th, 2006 at 12:20am
Thanks Boris,

That's understandable...

These separate worlds tie readily into the idea of varying dimensional layers that wrap around and within one another... I guess my question could be tailored to pertain to the notion that a blackhole may be a means for which our world can side step into into the next... That is of course, excluding the idea of getting ripped apart in the process... I've read that although it has been perceived that nothing could ever escape the suction of a blackhole once it has passed through the event horizon, including light itself, that there is, however, a detectable "something" that does escape, and it is believed to be something along the lines of packets of information... Whatever that entails, I don't know.

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

Title: Re: Design of universe in conjuction w/spirit
Post by starstream on Apr 28th, 2006 at 2:03pm
I am no scientist,but I watch with interest anything to do with black holes and the like.To be quite honest a great deal of it,is way way way beyond my understanding.
I do however recal something along the lines of...the big bang created the universe...(however long ago it was),and all the elements to create our physical world were spat out and left to their own devices, to evolve into whatever. free will?...and eventually the world we now live in was formed to the degree where it could sustain life.
I know scientists have been very surprised to discover there are quite a few black holes within our neighbourhood........and eventually,at some point in the very distant future,its not implausable that everything will implode (return to source?).
Only to be regurgitated again at some point in the future.An endless circle,eternity perhaps?
I for one think that black holes have wondeful secrets and surprises to astound us with in the future.
Lots of NDE'ers describe tunnels,swirling vortex,or a velvety blackness,not sinister just black...perhaps ,where light as we perceive it cant penetrate.
I think its very possible that they are a physical link to where the non physical go,and as time,and distance have no meaning when we die...its like popping next door to see a friend when we look in on family and loved ones left behind.
Hurry up science...we all need answers,even believers!

Title: Re: Design of universe in conjuction w/spirit
Post by dave_a_mbs on Apr 29th, 2006 at 6:17pm
HI agan -

According to Buddhism, everything is "consciousness" and the universe is an hallucination that is so defined that each experience etc is consistent with every other experience etc, so that it appears to be a seamless extended system existing within the confines of a single logical system.  However, this is not the only way to "have a universe".

When we dream, we are in an identically defined universe, but one in which the rules and logic are different. When we seek to rescue a "stuck soul", the "stuck soul" is in a similarly self-defined universe, which is why they are "stuck".  The entire program of physical science is ultimately supported by our individual subjective experiences and beliefs, since that's how we form opinions with which to build a definition of the situation and of self.  Whether it is anything else is not readily available for inquiry. However, because of the amount of subjectivity involved, it might be wise to view physical science and its phenomena, like black holes, magnetism, space and time,  relativity etc as phenomena limited to the set of definitions by which the universe was projected out of its initial causal beginning into a 3-space definition.  

Another example, if you are looking at a situation and begin to increase dimensional awareness, the degree to which the prior view dominates perception decreases as new perceptual elements present themselves. Thus, the prior view seems to recede. This might look  as if one is going down a tunnel. However, to others it might merely change to gain translucence,  or perhaps a sense of distribution of the "self" spread over a wide expanse of space etc. Seemingly "physical" perceptions thus may arise from the relationship of the viewpoint to prior states of being, which has little to do with the rules of physical science in a limited 3-space continuum.

d

Title: Re: Design of universe in conjuction w/spirit
Post by Cosmic_Ambitions on Apr 29th, 2006 at 8:52pm
Thanks much dave_a_mbs,

I love your extrapolation with regards to the "tunnel" phenomenon... I especially liked your reasoning behind why not everybody reports seeing the tunnel during their experiences. (i.e. "However, to others it might merely change to gain translucence, or perhaps a sense of distribution of the "self" spread over a wide expanse of space etc. Seemingly "physical" perceptions thus may arise from the relationship of the viewpoint to prior states of being, which has little to do with the rules of physical science in a limited 3-space continuum. .")

Very intuitive, and well put,

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

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