From the Near-Death forum here :

Paramecium posted :

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I don't know if more faith is the answer, for the stronger the light the more attractive it is to darkness. This has always perplexed me. For sometimes those that shine the brightest are enveloped the greatest by some mighty dark clouds. I have searched for this answer many places and through many sources to no avail. Some who are witnessed to such an onslaught cave and some don't. I once thought it was cracks in the armor if you will, but now I am not so sure. This will be a topic of mine to explore in the near future. -paragon=

For a more complete answer, you can use this topic as a submitted question in a personal Hilarion Reading, and get to enjoy a response directly from an enlightened ascended master himself.

But in a nutshell, this is what I have to say :

If one sees 'darkness' as an 'enemy', and as the direct opposite of the Light, then there can be no solution to this riddle, and reality appears to be incredibly sad, sick and twisted. But is this actually real? Or is it only a incredibly sad, sick and wisted *way of seeing*?

But if one is able to see that by their very nature, Love and hence Light, encompasses all beings, even the ones whom in their lack of clarity and lack of self-love hence appear to be of 'darkness', then one realizes there is no duality, no opposition, no war to be fought, and no fear to be real.

I'd suggest caution when exploring this topic, for it is all to easy to be caught up into the same twisted misconceptions (which is really all that 'darkness' is) that those beings whom you think you're studying, are suffering from.

Instead, I'd recommend that you (to all whom may consider my suggestions) instead be in the well-advised and wholesome company of those who are highly evolved and can see clearly beyond the illusion of duality, for instance,  Hilarion the Chohan (Master) of the Emerald Ray, those in the  International Academy of Consciousness (IAC), and others of similarly wholesome intentions and vibrations.

Thanks Kyo

I will be studying your message deeper.

hope you are well
:)

Thanks, Augoeideian. I hope you're well too, and enjoyed meeting (even if only online) Alllava?

Just one point to add to Paramecium's statement, the stronger the Light the more attractive it is to *all beings*, which naturally crave to understand, emulate and evolve towards the higher vibrations represented by such Light. (even if different beings in their different understanding and clarity, or lack of such, approach the Light differently).

For instance, that of Sananda Jesus Christ, and that of all higher vibratory beings that humanity (and all other kingdoms, terrestrial or extraterrestrial) look up towards.

But these higher beings have complete mastery over themselves, and thus (within themselves) of the Universal Laws, and have the wisdom and capacity to interact with all others in only the most beneficial and cosmoethical ways, including therefore being invulnerable to any lacking-in-clarity intentions, thosenes, energies or beings.

It is only those still evolving within physical incarnation, that may, in their own still-developing clarity, may yet struggle with lack-of-clarity, within themselves and (projected upon) their interactions with others (intraphysical and extraphysical, human or otherwise), of various levels and natures.

It is thus prudent, wise and efficiently productive, in consciential, evolutionary and assistential terms, for all intraphysical beings to have the willingness to be lucid and conscious of their (potential for) in-good-company relationships with guides & helpers of all levels, and working collegially with these higher vibratory beings at all levels and in all ways, in a common cause of service towards the greatest CosmoEthics.

This is where education (of multi-dimensional reality, universal laws and conscientiology) and personal effort towards self clarity (thosenic clarity, karmic clarity and relationship clarity) is so important.

Byron Katie, the International Academy of Consciousness, Hilarion, etc etc. These are certainly avenues and channels of tremendous assistential value and benefit, but the choice *must* always come from within, the choice towards clarity, evolution and assistentiality.

Once this choice is clear within one's heart, the illusions of darkness, fear and duality dissapears in the Light of Clarity, and in the Love of Oneness (aka CosmoEthics).

and I over here am attracted to your light Kyo! always have been for years. one of these days I shall saunter over to this academy and surely get my cup filled to capacity.

u brought up a question to ponder though, not so much a question as makes me think of duality, polarities, light and darkness concepts. I am I think more of an entertainer than a philosopher so I will unravel my story here. hee. I imagine a circle of folks and we're all having a good time!

I read something somewhere, don't know where, but it stuck in me head. it said "if your friend asks of you to do a foolish thing (which is not presupposing harmfulness) go ahead and do it." like being nonresistant to show lovingness. perhaps thats what that means.

I think I have a better story to unravel, although I've told it before, it made a big impression on my behavior in life. it happened years ago in obe state.

something dark was chasing me. it was a monster. I did not want to look at it, I was sure it had teeth.
every night I would run, the monster hot on my trail and even would it catch up to me and breath hot on my neck and made me run faster. finally one night some wisdom assailed me from where I don't know.
every night you do this running thing. why is it that the monster does not catch you? said this wisdom from the blue...this is called meditating while obe...I stopped in my tracks, knowing monster was not far behind me..I thought, well, I must decide something now. surely I will die this moment to hesitate like this; but do I want to be running each night, forever and ever? no. I think I will stop running. I want to see why this monster wants me, so I stayed where I was, in the dark of space, ready to die rather than run anymore. and theres nothing wrong with the instinct to run, just that I was tired of the game, which out there is very real. as I waited his arrival I saw him coming 'round the corner and looking for me, as ugley as I'd imagined, teeth and hairy, whatever! then he spied me and turned into a cartoon face. he said HUH? I'm supposed to chase u and why do u not run? I'm tired of this game I said back to it. devour me if u must. instead of eating me up, whatever, it dissolved in front of me, leaving me with the question that it must have been my own creation, and it was like a software program in the sky, programmed to chase me. I was elated of course that I had ended the game, but a little confused at the power I had to create monsters to face off with. the gist is fear was the fuel it lived on. it looked at me, did I see sadness? for without the fuel it was dying as it dissolved.our relationshp was over it seemed to say sadly. well, I said, you are not so good looking anyway, I must make something more easy to look at! lol.

is light attracted to darkness or vice versa? I don't know, but when light comes in a room, darkness disappates, so I do not think darkness seeks the light, maybe the light just finds the darkness because it's more powerful to shine. we have night for contrast but the mind can be as a beakon in the night and the batteries in your flashlight can be love and a sense of adventure perhaps. thanx for being with us Kyo.
http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/ninja.gif

In the last days I had to think about light and darkness. Sometimes I suspect there are entities who are playing with or even draining me, mostly before falling asleep (feelings of being touched, itched and other things). So, my method to encounter this anxiousness is to imagine a light shining within and through me. I wondered about the effect it could have. It maybe would attract dark entities, attract to me!? But then I had the idea, this light is shining through me, it is greater than this little physical me and every entity which would step into it, won't do me any harm, but would go into the great light, and is welcomed to a new home. This imagination diminishes fear, though I still feel itched sometimes, but it isn't very bad.

And yes, Alysia, it's always a possibility to think about if a being which bothers one is a self-creation.

Spooky

Dear Alysia, my appreciation & thanks for your welcoming, gentle loving friendship, and most of all, thank you for being you!  :-*

I've always enjoyed your 'spiritual tales of the laughing rain', whether you're a philosophical entertainer or an entertaining philosopher, you're certainly a good one at that!

Out of curiosity Alysia, that photo of yours. The background appears to be the sea, a ship. Any story for that one? Alysia the swashbuckler? or Alysia the ninja?   http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/ninja.gif

Oh, by the way, speaking of forum smiley icons, I've an entire set of lovable forum smiley on my website available for download (whoever created them has a remarkable talent for *cute*!).

I don't have them available for use individually from my website though, as I seldom use simley icons much myself. If anyone (reading this) likes them, you can upload them to your own webspace, and use them from there.

Click to visit my Freeware Downloads webpage (to download the smiley set) :
http://infinity.usanethosting.com/ForumSmiliesFaceIcons.gif

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By the way Spooky, do you happen to have a personal website? You mentioned you archive threads of interest from the forum, was wondering if you had a website for sharing this.

In reply to Paramecium here on the Near Death forum, on the same thread :
http://neardeath.ipbhost.com/viewtopic.php?p=41033#41033

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Paramecium and all,


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I know you believe in energy and in ways I certainly do too. I do however disagree that they play such a role as to be able to channel them for your own purposes on a consistent basis. They are not their for us to be used as a back up ram application, they are there for happenstance and consult, but not to lead and very rarely will they guide.

For each individual person, the precise nature of the relationship between the intraphysicals and extraphysicals will depend on your intentions and willingness. Whether the relationship is a helpful one (ie. collegial relationship with guides & helpers) or a damaging one (ie. karmic interprison with extraphysical intruders) depends on you.

The extraphysical guides & helpers are not here to serve us (the intraphysicals), at least not in the way that you might think you want. Because remember that being intraphysically incarnate, it is natural you do not see as clearly (or have access to as anywhere as much data) as the extraphysical guides & helpers on what's best for all beings, ie. CosmoEthics.

Neither are we (the intraphysicals) here merely to serve them (the extraphysical guides & helpers). For this is our physical incarnation, every moment is valuable, and there is tremendous self-responsibility in this. You have to be responsible for your own choices, karma and evolution. Your Evolutionary Orientor, guides & helpers can only make suggestions and be here for you as support in friendship.

So if we're not here just for them, nor them here just for us, then what are we both here for?

We're both here to serve a far greater purpose, one that is common to both us and them - COSMOETHICS, which is action out of Love for all Beings in the Cosmos.

(Of course, the twin objectives of existence, including any incarnation, is that of Evolution and Assistentiality; both of which are exist as expressions of CosmoEthics or Love).

Perhaps some of you are unaware of the work of the International Academy of Consciousness (IAC). They have a very intimate collegial working relationship with the guides & helpers. Clairvoyant and telepathic, by virtue of training, these people participate in countless multidimensional (both intraphysical and extraphysical) projects of many varying levels across many fields, affecting the entire planet, in ways that the average intraphysical human being cannot begin to imagine.

PENTA, as conceptualized by the IAC, involves a lifetime committment towards working very closely and powerfully with the guides & helpers. Quite opposite to your (Paramecium's) description of using their energy for your own (terribly myopic, since being intraphysical and having your mind limited by a biological brain, you know not truly what you do), in PENTA, you offer the use of your intraphysical energies to the highest guides & helpers, to use as their greater wisdom sees fit, in the service of the Greatest CosmoEthics.

I would recommend those interested in learning more, to visit their website, as well as read what Hilarion has to say about PENTA.

Hilarion on PENTA (CosmoEthics and PENTA)
http://infinity.usanethosting.com/Heart.Of.God/Hilarion/winsol00.html#PENTA1

Hilarion on PENTA (Practice of PENTA)
http://infinity.usanethosting.com/Heart.Of.God/Hilarion/win02.html#PENTA2

You can apply for membership with the International Academy of Consciousness, and receive their Journal of Conscientiology, 4 times a year :
http://infinity.usanethosting.com/Heart.Of.God/IAC/index.htm

heee. Kyo, that is Puget Sound in Washington, like an inlet around Kingston WA.
I think i was a pirate once though as I seem to understand pirates very well. whatever!
I am only like a ninja when a monster is making me tired and I feel like telling it off! those are some of the cutest facial expressions on your icons I have ever seen.

Spooky, I remember a story very well from Monroe.
he was out and about, going somewhere in the ethers when of a sudden he looked down and clinging to his leg was a small curl. curl is a nonphysical being.
confused, he questioned it. why are u attached to me said Monroe? (sorry if I don't relay this right)
the little curl said is it ok if I hitch a ride with you?
Monroe said ok, and as they traveled on, soon the curl winked out into a bst area it was attracted to.

I thought and pondered on this a great deal. finally I concluded that the curl was attracted to Bob's energy field. my conception of energy is that we are all "lights." some bigger than other lights. when a brighter light comes by, a lesser light can get a boost, or a ride from that one. what warmed my heart in this story is that this was not a neg (negative spirit) it was simply a little thing which Bob was able to assist to it's BST. it was not a neg, because it had the presence of mind to ask permission as soon as Bob noticed it there.
I thought about Bob then. why didn't he just blow the little bugger off when he noticed it there? as I wondered I realized because Bob is not unkind. he must have had compassion then and enough light in his field to assist the little guy.
not long after pondering this story I had my first spontaneous soul retrieval where I was asked to prove myself...as I had been wondering if I could assist another being just as Bob had, just by how much light might be inside of me too.
so Spooky, you're doing ok to imagine yourself to be light filled. anything in your field that you are aware of must ask your permission to remain there.

hugs, alysia

Ever since I first read of curls, I think of Cheetos. :o

Love, Mairlyn  ;D

cheetos, yes, exactly Mairlyn! however,not orange in color, I see them as see thru, an off white color! I wonder if Bob's curl had arms around his legs? or possibly was just glued onto his leg? guess u had to be there...hmmm.

Hello Augoeideian,

(First of all, as with all posts or communications by anyone to anyone else; the following post is from one possible perspective only. There is no 'wrong' or 'right', or to be precise, each individual has to choose his own 'right' path or perspective. It is always possible, and does naturally happen, that what a person interprets from another's message, is not exactly what the other person actually meant. Even if they do understand each other, it's a 'good' thing, something to be celebrated, that everyone has his/her own somewhat unique perspective, and can thus contribute uniquely to the Whole, or the Cosmos, or to God. So let us celebrate uniqueness in love, not declare war on differences).



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Yes, the ultimate goal is to Ascend towards and into the Pure Light.

(Depending on how one reads into that statement) Not quite. Such a statement has with it a sense of eventuality and (*chuckle*) fatality. If God's goal was to merge back with Him/Her/ItSelf, why would He/She/It want to split Him/Her/ItSelf into Creation in the first place?

There was never any separation (in essence) in the first place, hence no need for (in essence) 'returning back' into 'Pure Light' or Source or God. There is simultaneous connection in essence with all the Cosmos.

Furthermore, the term 'Ascension' and associated concepts has been unwisely used, or mis-used in many 'New Age' schools of thought, such that for most purposes and intents, we can discared the use of this term. Rather, it is more helpful, to use the term 'Evolution' instead. And Evolution, (unlike 'Ascension'), has no end to it, just as there is no end to the process of Creation, and no end to the Cosmos.



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However, there is the Law of Balance in opposites.  Opposites harmonise each other. How would we know what dark is if we did not know light. How would we know what love is if we did not know hate. How would we know what hot is if we did not know cold. Opposites are part and parcel of our Earth's make-up and if the Spirit does not experience these opposites then it is over-targeting its mark and will find itself somewhat under-experienced entering the spiritual realms and indeed in life. How can an exalted soul ascend without experiencing blood, sweat and tears in life? One can say; I have transcended above sadness into Joy but did that person experience sadness to truly appreciate the Joy?  And to appreciate what they have ascended from and become from that sadness?

You refer here to the Law of Opposite Expression, as well as to the Law of Manifestation into the denser realms that, as part of their purpose, work with the illusion of duality. The Law of Reflection and Law of Karma also have inextricable roles in these.

Yes, duality has its role, but when I spoke of "The Unproductive Illusions of Duality", I was speaking of the misguided fear that many people have of the 'dark forces', or the 'demonic', and such a fearful byproduct of Duality, is indeed extremely unproductive in terms of Evolution and Assistantiality.

You see, duality is productive specifically (and only) in the sense you have spoken about, ie. the Law of Manifestation, Laws of Reflection and Law of Opposite Expression and the Law of Karma. That is to say, for a Being to 'know thyself', it has to incarnate into the denser planes of existence;  here we speak of the Earth planetary civilization on the dense physical plane.

And as it's nature, as it's purpose (click here for the purpose and special value of *physical* incarnation), it is necessary and indeed valuable, that all traits of beings, manifest into aspects of duality. The Yin and the Yang. The female and the male.

It is a separate topic (subject even) altogether, if we were to elucidate or elaborate on why manifestation into duality is necessary, important and extremely valuable even. But in a nutshell, it is so that the Beings, in exploring the opposites or (to be accurate) spectrum of all its traits within itself, begins to know itself deeper, including all of its various potentials and possibilities, across the entire range of manifestation.

But *exactly how* each being is able to work with these Laws, including especially the Law of Opposite Expression, is the Key to this riddle. That is to say, depending on the willingness, consciential clarity and evolutionary level of the individual consciousness or being, you can work with the Law of Opposite Expression (indeed, this applies to *all* of the Laws, of course) in a productive manner, or not.

For instance, if there is a 'right', then there *must* be a 'wrong'. This is duality, and a simple example of the Law of Opposite Expression. But let each individual ask himself - is it really helpful to create such concepts of 'right' and 'wrong' in your mind, and to dogmatically live by them as guiding principles in your lifetimes and existences?

For how long, must you work with duality in this way, before you can drop it, and move on to working with duality (and Law of Opposite Expression) in a more loving, productive way?

In this particular instance, from 'right' and 'wrong', humanity will eventually evolve towards 'cosmoethical' and 'anti-cosmoethical'. A far more useful, loving and helpful concept, also of course, subject to the Law of Opposite Expression, but in a much superior, clearer and loving way.

There are countless examples of duality and opposites, that are equally loving and complementary, without needing to invoke concepts of 'bad' and 'good', or 'darkness' and 'light'.

For instance, that of masculinity and femininity. This is a powerful duality that has very important significance spiritually, including with relationships of all kinds, and ultimately the Law of Love.

Every individual soul, is (naturally, by definition) both male and female. For the duration of a physical incarnation into a biological body of one gender, naturally the soul or higher self, in discussion with the guides & helpers and Evolutionary Orientor, selects a particular mix of traits, taking into consideration the masculinity and femininity of these traits, in appropriation with the biological gender of the upcoming physical body.

Not merely the traits per se of course, but inextricably, various specific relationship roles and karmic memories from past relationships and lifetimes, that will be in line with the current lifetime's existential program and planned (and/or forseeable) relationships with specific other individuals in this upcoming lifetime.

This is for another (extensive and interesting) topic altogether. Suffice to say that while most souls will naturally (and this is 'good', in case some worry about this) prefer to lean towards one gender more than the other in it's own self-identity, but generally, as the soul evolves, by the time it nears the end of its necessity for physical incarnation, that is to say, it is preparing to graduate into a Homo sapiens Serenissimus ('enlightened one' or 'ascended master'), he/she will have accomplished a very harmonious balance between his/her male and female energies, or selves, at the soul level.

In the intraphysical, which (each physical lifetime) is really a 'story', thus there must be roles, and thus every physical incarnate person, regardless of evolutionary level will naturally play the role of the gender of the biological body (or if some prefer to be gays or lesbians or bisexuals instead, it is totally fine and up to their free will. Though using the gender of the physical biological body to explore that same gender aspects of your soul, is for most people, what is naturally of the greatest ease and is thus used, unless there are other personal karmic factors that complexify this).

Nonetheless, it is important that each individual right now intraphysically incarnate, to connect with, and unconditionally love, his female self (if he's a man), and/or her male self (if she's a woman). Those with karmic issues with members of the opposite sex, will be found to have projected their own inner imbalances (eg. power struggle, abuse, etc) onto others around them, from past lives leading to the present. Though of course this matter is complicated by external past life trauma, and so be careful here, we do not claim that the inner always causes the external; or that the external (event or trauma) always causes the inner (issue); they must always be worked with hand-in-hand.

Which brings us to the conclusion of this little discussion on duality and the Law of Opposite Expression - that in 'transcending' duality, it is not that one blinds himself to the tremendous didactic and pedagogic value of their manifested dual aspects. Quite the contrary, the evolved consciousness will celebrate both opposite or complementary aspects, [b]not as separate from each other, but (connecting hand-in-hand) as (an inseparable spectrum of) Oneness.

Kyo,

A very nice thread you have going here.  I must comment, as my inner voice compels me.  Sometimes I will take the "devil's advocate," view.  Forgive me, old friend as this is meant for a good healthy discussion.

The problem with doing away with terms such as right and wrong, good and evil is that they are functional and practical terms for us here in physcial reality.  Now I ask you, a key criticism comes about when we talk of cosmoethical or anticomsoethical.  Who decides which actions fall under this definition?  Imagine, if you will, two advanced loving entities trying to help a living person evolve.  One pushes in this direction, the other the opposite.  Yin and Yang.  Duality (darn it!) on an etheric plane!  When questioned, they both say they are acting in a cosmoethical way.  They may not agree on each other's means.

You see what I am saying, my friend?  We can agree that cosmoethical implies acting in a way that will be loving and geared toward loving others.  But there is more than one way to skin a cat.  We see this with "tough love" for troubled children, who have to hit rock bottom in order to realize their own natures and evolve.  Others might disagree and say that the troubled child needs counseling and kindness - not tough love.  Duality!  

So I would put it to you this way; in order to act, we usually need to have an opinion.  Opinions vary, whether on this plane or others; such is the nature of consciousness.  If opinions vary, the ideas of cosmoethical and anticosmoethical may vary in two loving souls.  As such, one may end up finding these terms helpful, but not any more useful than the terms good and evil.  

We can all agree that to act in a loving cosmoethical way is the true nature of God and the universe (and as such ourselves).  However, I wonder if any enlightened soul has reached the level of clarity so that their opinions won't spawn duality.  Opinion by its very nature does spawn duality very well.


Matthew

Hello Matthew,

Some aspects of this conversation (ie. your post) reminds us of the first conversation we had. There is a slight similarity here.


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Now I ask you, a key criticism comes about when we talk of cosmoethical or anticomsoethical.  Who decides which actions fall under this definition?

No one, and everyone. That is to say, no one entity decides on behalf of everyone else. But when there is a sufficiently common understanding of what CosmoEthics means, then it is not so much "*this* is the highest cosmoethical action" or "*that* is the highest cosmoethical action", but rather, that those beings would recognizing the potential for CosmoEthics, come to a decision the best he can as to what is CosmoEthically appropriate for him to do (not necessarily the singular highest CosmoEthical path, as ideal as that sounds).



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Imagine, if you will, two advanced loving entities trying to help a living person evolve.  One pushes in this direction, the other the opposite.  Yin and Yang.  Duality (darn it!) on an etheric plane!  When questioned, they both say they are acting in a cosmoethical way. They may not agree on each other's means.

Certainly. And that's how it 'should' be, so to speak. Such unique perspectives are celebrated and welcome. Even amongst the guides & helpers themselves (who include yourselves; for the term but describes a role of assistentiality, not of definitive identity), it is a common occurence that there are various perspectives and ideas, though primarily thanks to a willingness to understand each other, and in recognition of common goals, there is quite a fair bit of mutual respect and common understanding, as well as a consensus, as to various issues on the fundamental levels.

I recall once that Hilarion, during a personal Reading, made it a point to emphasize, "*All* of the guides & helpers are in agreement on this issue, that...". Which not only implies that such unanimity is not always the case, but perhaps more specifically, that "right then, you damn well better listen up!".




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You see what I am saying, my friend?  We can agree that cosmoethical implies acting in a way that will be loving and geared toward loving others.  But there is more than one way to skin a cat.

Which is what I'm saying. And it's beautiful aint it? That there is no objective reality or 'right/wrong' forced upon all beings. There are always many ways or solutions about any issue. (But this does not mean everything is but subjective. More on this matter in a while).

You see, CosmoEthics is a fantastically complex science. In the theoretical, conceptual framework of CosmoEthics, there will be, in theory and in potential, all of the various possible pathways of any given situation taken into consideration. But these pathways are near limitless and infinite in their diversity.

No one person can declare or claim that "*such-and-such* is *the* most CosmoEthical way of doing this in this given situation". Even (or shall I say, *especially*) the guides & helpers are perpetually questioning themselves, always observing analytically and reflecting critically, on exactly how CosmoEthical their practices and work, both individually and collectively, are. And continually seek to improve and evolve.

And here in the intraphysical, CosmoEthics work, not to enforce a fixed path of action in any given situation, but (the goal being) to cultivate in the individual a recognition, a potential for, and the willingness to ever strive towards greater and greater CosmoEthics.

Then, the part of you which feels disturbed by the idea of "but if there is no objective reality, wouldn't that mean the entire idea of CosmoEthics might be hogwash? Then we could all be just wasting our time!"

Ahhh, here's the thing. There is indeed "no objective reality" insofar as the idea of an 'external' or 'artificial' power, enforcing an 'alien' reality, rules or 'rightness' upon each and all beings.

But there are indeed, collective or shared realities, understandings, and CosmoEthics. "But wouldn't that constitute and 'objective reality'?" Not in the sense of the external forcing it's will upon you, but rather, a recognition of Oneness amongst all Beings, and therefore, it becomes *Your* reality, not 'objective' reality. For afterall, if it is yours, there is ownership and responsibility, then the term 'objective' which denotes alienation and lack of connection with, fails to appropriately convey the reality of, well, reality.

So once we have this idea of 'objectivity' vs 'subjectivity' out of the way (as poles of duality, they both fail to on their own, correctly portray the Whole or Reality), let's talk about CosmoEthics.

To those who may be concerned that CosmoEthics may not actually exist, we will say this. CosmoEthics does not exist without you, without all Beings in the Cosmos. Or put in another way, it would be meaningless without you, and your input, the Beings of the Cosmos.

However, CosmoEthics, not in the sense of simply a singular action that is the most 'right thing to do' in any given situation, but CosmoEthics in the sense of the potential to be the most loving, to be of benefit to the greatest number of beings in the most powerful ways, that, certainly *does* exist.

You can say that two people of markedly different backgrounds and characters, may have two completely different, opposing even, viewpoints on what is the most helpful or CosmoEthical thing to do in a given situation. That's fine. It doesn't negate the possibility (probability actually) there could still be a higher, more CosmoEthical path not merely amongst the two ideas, but in fact a 3rd (4th, 5th, etc) pathway of action, that could be of even greater CosmoEthical value or benefit to all beings involved.

So how can you determine this? You can't absolutely. No one can. But should this be a valid reason to stop you from trying? For you to stop wanting to care, to love, and to help others? (Which is basically what CosmoEthics is).

In addition, in the above described scenario of the two guys fighting over who has the more CosmoEthical idea, there is a simple solution (it is not definitive, but it is practical). Ask their guides & helpers for *their* perspective, input and advice on the CosmoEthics of the situation. And ask the guides of their guides. And their guides' guides' guides. And so on and so forth.

Remember that Evolution has no end. Every level has its own guides & helpers, quite virtually, ad infinitum. So there is CosmoEthics, even if at any one level (ie. without input from a higher level), there may be disagreements as to what constitutes such.

Dear Augoeideian,

Yes, there is separation. But it is in Form, not in Essence. Whenever you do not (ie. choose not to) connect with All the Cosmos in Love, there is (by choice) a sense of separation by your consciousness. That is not to say there really is (ie. in essence) separation, but to be precise, it is a really but a choice by the consciousness to imagine, "how it would feel if there was separation?".

So yes, in your heart whenever you feel separated from the Source / All the Cosmos, then indeed, there is separation in your consciousness, between yourself and the Source / All the Cosmos. And what else to bridge this illusion of separation but Love, the very realization (not merely intellectual, but one that reverberates across *all* levels) that All are One.

Love,
Kyo.

PS.
Have a vist to my "Meditations on the Heart of God".



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Now why did i post this besides the first paragraph of merging back.  I suppose Kyo it is maybe my romantic nature and although i am open to all teachings, i resonant to these teachings. But also my Spirit is gentle, like all of ours, and it does not lean towards 'isms' and such terminology. This in my heart makes my Spirit seem more concrete and seperated from the Source.

 

Thanks Kyo.

So enlightenment as such, may be seen to be moving one's consciousness in line with cosmoethics.  But different entities may disagree and have their own perspective not on what is cosmoethical, but on what action or path leads to the most cosmoethical outcome.   Hmmm....

I don't mean to make this into an intellectual discussion, as I do believe in love and a loving universe.  However, this still leaves me with the idea that opinion, having an opinion will usually set up a mandatory duality.  For to have an opinion about something or some action is to have analyzed the options and decided one path is better than another.  As such, exercising free will and using opinion is bound to spawn duality.  

So, I ask again, do we reach a point in our spiritual evolution where we transcend opinion.  Where free will and opinion are lost in essence and the simple act of being?  If not, if opinions persist indefinitely in our evolution, I would say that duality in some form must persist indefinitely.


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So, I ask again, do we reach a point in our spiritual evolution where we transcend opinion.  Where free will and opinion are lost in essence and the simple act of being?  If not, if opinions persist indefinitely in our evolution, I would say that duality in some form must persist indefinitely.

First off, duality certainly persists indefinitely, at the manifested planes of existence. There's nothing 'bad' about this. Duality serves an important purpose and is, one could say, 'intended engineering'.

But duality does not exist in the planes of the Buddhic and above. But herein lies the common misconception, watch for it.

We are all multi-dimensional beings, existing on both the (denser) manifested planes as well as the (higher) unmanifested planes for which there is no duality.

This is quite totally separate from the idea of "evolving beyond duality", which you seem to imply. That is to say, a linear evolution reaching a stage of being where there is no duality whatsoever in your being. This would be true, if you chose (and this itself can be a complex matter) to operate in the higher planes of existence only, without directly contacting or interacting with the dense physical planes of manifestation. And not, as some misunderstand, due to one's 'evolutionary status'. In other words, it is an issue of modality, not simply evolution.

Having said that, it is of course, also quite evident to all that, the more evolved you are, the more adept you would be at working productively with Duality, achieving a mastery of balance of duality (eg. a harmonious balance of male and female within the evolved soul), and an inner recognition of the true interconnective relationship of duality and its polar opposites, always with Oneness as its true nature.


Once again, Matthew :


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So, I ask again, do we reach a point in our spiritual evolution where we transcend opinion.  Where free will and opinion are lost in essence and the simple act of being?  If not, if opinions persist indefinitely in our evolution, I would say that duality in some form must persist indefinitely.

To be precise, there is certainly a point in one's spiritual evolution wherein the being is able to transcend opinion/ideas and experience only the purest act of being. Beings such as the Buddha, Sanada Jesus Christ, Hilarion, and all the Serenissimus are able to do this.

But *simultaneously*, at such levels of mastery, you/they/the being, can *still* operate multidimensionally, including at levels where they can share their opinions or perspectives in meaningful, assistantial, CosmoEthical interaction with others.

That is to say, Matthew, do not limit yourself to a conceptualization entailing a necessary exclusivity between existing at a pure beingness level, and that of having an opinion. Do not limit yourself to thinking that having an opinion is necessarily by definition 'contaminated' by duality, it is actually nicely *supported* by duality. Duality can be a 'good' thing, you know.

Analogously, Karma isn't out to screw you. It's here to serve you, to help you. Yes, this can be tricky to fully understand, especially when a large majority of humanity are trapped in lifetimes of suffering, and each lifetime of suffering perpetuates further lifetimes of suffeirng. But that isn't Karma's fault. It's your own. Karma is here to teach you about Yourself, about Reality, about Love.

Finally, Matthew, in an earlier post you said :

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However, I wonder if any enlightened soul has reached the level of clarity so that their opinions won't spawn duality.  Opinion by its very nature does spawn duality very well.

Not quite. Opinion on it's own doesn't spawn duality, nor is it contaminated by duality. Effectively, duality exists in the mind of those who hear that opinion and interpret it a certain way, or relate to it a certain way; rather than in the opinion, or even speaker of that opinion itself.

Yes, there are countless enlightened souls that have mastered duality, and still have opinions! No matter how high a being's evolutionary level is, whatever he/she says, can always be construed into tones of duality in the minds of the listener, regardless of the opinion itself.

Moreover, remember that in the manifested planes of existence, such as the dense physical one, for any being of any evolutionary level to interact on such a level, on the physical plane, entails by its very nature, participating within Duality.

Duality, like Karma, is 'good', wholesome stuff. Just as existing as pure beingness beyond Duality and beyond Karma, is also 'good', wholesome stuff.

Allow yourself to enjoy all of it together! :)

Good point Augo.

Kyo, I don't think our ideas are that far apart.  I see us living in a world of duality, called Maya or illusion by some in the far East, when we are all part of a whole, the one.  My point was that semantics may play a role here.  I do think that opinion spawns duality as, its net outcome is often choice and action, which usually means rejecting an alternative choice.  Or setting up a different label for good and evil.

Having said that, I think it is perfectly reasonable to acknowledge our individual roles (much as Arjuna had to do in the Bhagavad Gita), and the dualism inherent in our physical world, and still keep the unity of all things in our mind, reminding ourselves that the duality is there but in a sense not there simultaneously.  This enlightened thought should prevent people from holding on to the notion of pure evil in a dualistic manner, banishing evil spirits to hell, etc. for in a sense it is a cosmic joke if in the end the hero and villain are one and the same (Luke, I am your father!)


Matthew

hi guys..when I first met Kyo, I have to tell u something...I thought Kyo was a woman. it was a strong impression and I had difficulty when i went to his website and discovered she is a he! ha ha! my point is I began to see Kyo as perfect balanced male/female traits, not only that but often Kyo would refer to himself as "we." then I realized Kyo is with many.
Kyo is an ascended being working among us. this my opinion of course, but oh Lordy Lordy, hee, one values one's own opinion, or you could be in deep trouble if you don't accept your own intuition as correct and instead accept the opposite.

no, I'm not launching into flattery for Kyo. not at all, because, and I have guides too, and often think from "we" not from "I."
but what's correct and true today is in a state of change and flux, so let us flow with it and we seem to be doing that rather well. I love this place!
we are in the shift in consciousness right now, so thats what I mean about the only constant is change.
we need to stop thinking that ascension, that place of perfect balance within, that state of mind of observing, but not reactionary emotionally, is attainable right now, not in some distant enlightenment process, but right now, that we are capable and have all the answers within and/or can ask for what we want.
the guides put me through a training period awhile back and it certainly put my head and heart in the right place. they told me it was a benevolent universe. oh wow. you're kidding I said, falling out of my chair. no, they said, you just couldnt see it that way. then they said when you ask for clarification, you must include "other." not just that u will get things to look and be as you prefer. so then I started including "other" in my wishes for certain resolvement to problems and found out the guides were right all the time, it really was a benevolent universe..like win-wins started happening.
thats like praying for the highest good. only the highest good is always happening. except that we can't see it that way yet. then the Christians will pray "not my will, but thine." DP jumps around now (my guide from past life) to say we are not Christians, but it's true, theres a part of us always connected to the highest good for all, and the illusion is "not."

heres a simple formula for duality and unpleasant surprises that come along: (must be DP again)

where would u have my feet go, being which is me, being which is all knowing, and what would u have my lips to say? what thought shall I surrender to find your grace once more? and how may I expand to be beyond this illusion I am separate from my good? it should only take a day or so with that kind of prayer and the answer comes.
the shift is building. and if I can inspire, that is all I could wish for; hold on to your seat belts, this is a marvelous time to be on the Earth!!!

hugs, alysia

I love the positive energy output you give off laffingrain... It's contagious.  :)

My thoughts on why, "If God's goal was to merge back with Him/Her/ItSelf, why would He/She/It want to split Him/Her/ItSelf into Creation in the first place?"

It seems as though the super consciousness that we refer to as "God" split himself/herself/itself as a way to creatively explore himself/herself/itself, and by splitting "itself" apart in order to explore all of the "unknowns" that can be created/explored by itself, it is thereby enhancing the creative possibilities of itself... After this illusory "split" has taken place, and the "selves" begin exploring/experiencing/creating anew from the experiences of the now "known" unknowns, it is thereby enhancing the consciousness as a whole... By returning back to "itself", (from which it actually never left), it is thereby expanding itself even further. It seems, from my perspective, that the ultimate goal gained from experiencing all of these "unknowns" is to create the ultimate reality, for creation itself, in which creation itself can express and enjoy itself, ad infinitum.

Also, with regards to duality... Could creation begin creating/experiencing itself without which to compare itself to? However, at some stage of evolution with regards to itself, there must be a neutrality based perspective which comprehends the actual neutrality of duality in the broader scheme of things. -- Just my pov.

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

Again, thank you for your gentle sharing of light and wisdom from yourself and your guides, and much love to you always, Alysia dear friend. Here's a darling pic for you, that I felt you would also like -

http://infinity.usanethosting.com/pics/RabbitHamsterKittenPuppy.jpg


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Also, Cosmic_Ambitions' post (just above mine) has very nicely and succinctly reiterated my perspective on this. That pretty much sums it up. The business and intention for Creation itself is Simple, yet wonderfully limitless in potential, and fantastically exquisite in it's (ie. God's, All the Cosmos, Our) never ending Journey.

cool pic Kyo! and thanx for saying CA, there is something in me contagious!
I think the more good vibes that come around go around. i spent my whole life looking for the good and now it's getting easier. all day I thought Kyo was going to deny being an ascended master. lol. he/she did'nt so maybe I didn't blow his cover!

these posts remind me of bits and pieces of wisdom we build our lives with. when I first came here I was looking for a home and I read Bruce's story of how it all began. seems god sent out some probes. a cloud of such. a wave called Curiosity. this was his vision I quickly adopted as my own without question, as it explains the curious nature of human consciousness as well as why curiosity killed the cat with 9 lives. thought I'd throw that in for no reason!
we are curious. if we stop being curious then I don't know what after that. its like we are trying here to see the edges of the universe. thats not possible as the definition of what stretches forever has no boundary.

thinking about these deep thoughts, I was trying to get inside my soninlaws head, why do you always climb mountains I asked? oh, because I can, he says.
maybe thats why we are here..because we can.

then theres us wanting a surprise. If we remembered all our lives we would probably say, oh please, just let me forget merciful god....so we forget so to make it new again, with a surprise.
then theres the eye viewing the eye. how is that possible, yet it happened. anytime you see your own self living another life it is the eye viewing itself, or god looking at himself.
basically we love finding ourself in others as we are all one.  the trick is living in two worlds at the same time. you have to be in balance to be astride two worlds but it is coming together for us I feel. I have a theory balance means having all 7 chakras in the body spinning at the same rate and that this would be the precipice of what ascension means. so don't eat a cow. it might stay in the intestines and ground you too much. just kidding.
and now heres a lovely astral surfer which is what you all look like to me in my dreams....btw, if anyone wants to see the story of Curiosity its up at the top, under free articles I believe.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/spiritvideo/Alysia/spacegal.jpg

Hey LaughingRain,

I've read those free articles by Bruce before, but it was a long time ago... Thanks for refreshing my memory on them, as I understand/interpret them differently as time passes and more insight is gained. It's evolution at its best. LOL

I also agree with, and enjoy your idea of the 7 chakras spinning at the same rate eluding to the notion of evolutionary "ascension"... Makes sense to me.

("Curiosity killed the cat with 9 lives.") -- Very appropriate!  ;)

As you recommend, I will try to stay away from eating cows so as to not be grounded! Maybe I will stick to a diet high in "bird". That way, I can fly away!  ;D

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

P.S. Kyo, I thoroughly enjoyed that picture that you posted of the "mini-fellas"... Can you imagine if everyone had a picture of that in their wallet. -- (There would be no more wars!)

thank you for joining the forum Cosmic undertakings! just wanted to say that.

yes, well Kyo put the right pic up. and now I want to run out and purchase all those little cuties and have a farm again. oh well. I have a chihuahua and something that looks like a fox whose rear end...needs wiping.

lol. sorry. kick me off the board..I'll go peacefully.
but it's true...so far as I can see on this Earth, there is absolutely no reason to kill another person in a war or otherwise. not any logic can convince me we can't all live together without a lot of hoopla and flying bullets. oh well. I should go write that down I guess. hugs, alysia

I forgot to mention something in my last post,

I "LOVE" your quote Alysia:

"yay tho I trip thru the valley of the shadow of death I shall fear not as I was trained there." -- So paradoxical, yet SO true! ;)

I love reiterations/alterations of quotes like that.

Cleansing of encrypted muddiness is key towards the ultimate goal of achieving our spiritual evolvement/enlightenment." < < < (Oxymoron?). LOL

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

CA hi there. yea, these little quotes serve as reminders sometimes...this one is new, I have a whole stack. this one reminds me of turning around and facing the monster on my back with attitude...lol...ok, I seemed to say to it...whats your best shot?
I crack my self up. love ya, alysia