Last night, i was in a stadium with another 9999 people, for 3 hours - watching gordon smith [Uk's most accurate psychic] perform live.

What can i say, except that he was 100 percent pucca. Ive seen some crap psychics recently and in the past, and this guy made me 100 percent believe, theres some with good ones with skills out there. I sat there in complete awe, he was truely amazing - i was watching him for cold reading attempts etc, and all i can say is - if he was cold reading, he's the worlds most intelligent social analyst.

With most psychics, you get the crappy 'i have a female here'.. 'had a slight cough when she passed'.. but gordon smith, just.. what can i say, except he was a fountain of names/dates and places. He picked random people out of a 10,000 crowd.. and said, your name is maria fisher.. [both names].. i have a young man here, i believe it's your son.. name is andy, he died from a car crash right outside your home, you keep his medal he won from a soccer match, under your pillow.... etc.

Now thats what i call, a medium earning his money. He was stood there for 3 hours, in front of a crowd of 10,000... no excuse's, no 'bad energy' slap they come out with, just splattering out names/dates and place's like a fully blown gatling gun. Im feeling pretty turbo charged after event, finally good proof, from a genuine person.

Anyway, if he's coming to a town near you, i highly recommend you see him, he's changed my life for the better, hope he can do the same for you.

Hi Spitfire It must have been a great experience last night when you were watching Gorden Smith. I wish i could have been there to see him as well. He is a truly great, genuine, medium. Bless you juditha

I can't believe I'm being the skeptic here, but ok.  How do you know there weren't 50 planted "actors" spread out around the place?



M

wrote on Apr 21^st, 2006 at 9:28am:

I can't believe I'm being the skeptic here, but ok.  How do you know there weren't 50 planted "actors" spread out around the place? M

Well since alot of people were in couples, that would mean probley 150 people would have to be in on it, most of them bought his book afterwards and stood in a que with at least 150 people, i think that is beyond, what a general stooge would do. A woman was weeping when he was talking about her dead daughter, and she was near me, and that woman must have been the best actor ever. How could he memorise, all those stooges, how could he pick them out of a 10,000 crowd.

Im not completely closed to the possibility he was a fake, but the logistics of the event, is further proof to me, that he was pucca.

Hooray Spitfire ! !
Whatever it took, I'm so happy for you!
And maybe, just maybe, then some of the previous accounts of other people thru other means, might have had some truth to them too, eh?

:D ;D :D  bets

Don't get me wrong, I'm just taking up the usual Spitfire role here.  Now as far as memorizing facts and faces, many doctors have to do it.  When we take gross anatomy, there are literally tens of thousands of ligaments, tendons, blood vessels, etc that are quizzed before the end of the course.  

If a charlatan wanted to, and was very very good, a stadium full of people could be "faked out."  This is what Bruce means when he says you must get the evidence for yourself.  If a friend you went with was randomly selected (or you were), it would be absolute proof to you if it sounded/felt right.


M

It could be as simple as cohorts standing around outside listening to people and their discussions then wirelessly transmitting to him via a miniature earpiece. This was discovered with at least one evangalist in the US.

I'm not saying it's the case here but it is one simple method to do the same thing without involving the supernatural.

wrote on Apr 21^st, 2006 at 11:58am:

Don't get me wrong, I'm just taking up the usual Spitfire role here.  Now as far as memorizing facts and faces, many doctors have to do it.  When we take gross anatomy, there are literally tens of thousands of ligaments, tendons, blood vessels, etc that are quizzed before the end of the course.   If a charlatan wanted to, and was very very good, a stadium full of people could be "faked out."  This is what Bruce means when he says you must get the evidence for yourself.  If a friend you went with was randomly selected (or you were), it would be absolute proof to you if it sounded/felt right. M

Does that meen you have to pay me royalties?

As for doctors memory's.. could they learn it all in 1 week? because he does around 1 a week, so he would spend most of his time having to memorise names and face's.. and match them correctly within a 1 week time frame.

Let me ask you the question, do you believe if you went into space and stepped out of the shuttle, you would die?. If the answer is yes, how do you know this? the governments of the world could be lying to you on purpose, will you ever in this lifetime by likely to go into space? the answer is probley no.

Evidence is key - life is mearly playing the odds. Could gordon smith, memorise all those names/ face's in a 10,000 strong crowd? the answer is yes... but it's highly unlikely. Could he wear an ear tap? the answer is yes... but he had a camera clued to his face, and his face was being projected onto a giant screen, and i never saw an ear tap.. could he still have one? of course he could but it's highly unlikely.

If you a bet on a horse, would you bet on highly unlikely to win, or highly likely to win... unless you had firm proof highly unlikely was going to win, and you put your money on it, then you would be a fool.

Hi all you doubters and skeptics their are some very genuine mediums out there and gordon smith is definitley one of them ,good on you spitfire tell them whats what i think its wonderful you have found your spiritual path and found a medium you really believe in ,their is a very good medium who comes to our church her name is pauline richardson and she is very genuine too  love deanna

wrote on Apr 21^st, 2006 at 9:28am:

I can't believe I'm being the skeptic here, but ok.  How do you know there weren't 50 planted "actors" spread out around the place? M

I once came across a website with statements from people who had been to see Derek Acorah, one of these was from someone who had been chosen by Derek and they reported about how close he hadnt been. My point here is that these people weren't blowin the whistle to say "oh yes we were plants", now if Derek Acorah one of the not so good mediums doesnt use plants its highly unlikely Gordon Smith does.

Oh and im annoyed cos I found out about these events too late and the one near me (SoT) was fully booked :(

Well, Spit... if Smith was good enough to convince YOU, then he might be worth the price of a ticket at least (assuming he ever visits my neck of the woods.)
What specifically sold you on him? I mean, what was the BIGGEST factor? Gimme a P.M. if you like.
(To make myself more clear - did he answer anything specifically relating to yourself?)

B-man

Gorden Smith sounds like the greatest psychic mediums alive today.

I'd love to go see him. Nice experience you had Spitfire. :) :D

wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2006 at 5:01am:

Well, Spit... if Smith was good enough to convince YOU, then he might be worth the price of a ticket at least (assuming he ever visits my neck of the woods.) What specifically sold you on him? I mean, what was the BIGGEST factor? Gimme a P.M. if you like. (To make myself more clear - did he answer anything specifically relating to yourself?) B-man

It was the detail chum,

Out of around 75 people there, he got both names of the person he was talking to around 50-60 percent of the time, always got the name of the deceased... and always got it correct, there was'nt no, reeling off name after name, hoping something would click.

He asked a group of around 10 people, if anyone had lost there son in a train accident, and a woman put her hand up - but she said it was'nt an accident.. he was that confident he told her, it was'nt her he needed to see, because this was definetly an accident, and a woman 2 rows back, answered that she had lost her son in a train accident, and he went on to talk about her son etc - a crap fakoid, would have just made some excuse and used the first woman he/she came to.

He talked with around 75 people, and always got a name correct, and generally more then 1, not to mention loads of birthdays... and aniversary's etc. The odds of his accuracy must be 8 billion to 1, unless as previously said they were stooge's, but if he could remember all there face's and all that information, in 1 week, and could afford to employee all those people, he deserve's to pull the wool over my eyes.

To continue in my Spitfire role, Craig, how many people were there, and how much did each pay to get in?  What was the take home pay for the medium?


Matthew

wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2006 at 12:03pm:

To continue in my Spitfire role, Craig, how many people were there, and how much did each pay to get in?  What was the take home pay for the medium? Matthew

10,000 people were there, at 15 quid a head so that's 150,000 quid [say 120,000 since kids were only 8 quid], around 30 staff.. at around 8 pound average an hour say around 1500 quid off for them, plus the cost of renting the stadium, and advertising the event.

I would say he probley got 10-20k for the night. But he still works as a barber so he cant be that well off yet, and he still does his free full church sessions.  

Anything else with some relevance?

wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2006 at 9:18am:

It was the detail chum, Out of around 75 people there, he got both names of the person he was talking to around 50-60 percent of the time, always got the name of the deceased... and always got it correct, there was'nt no, reeling off name after name, hoping something would click. He asked a group of around 10 people, if anyone had lost there son in a train accident, and a woman put her hand up - but she said it was'nt an accident.. he was that confident he told her, it was'nt her he needed to see, because this was definetly an accident, and a woman 2 rows back, answered that she had lost her son in a train accident, and he went on to talk about her son etc - a crap fakoid, would have just made some excuse and used the first woman he/she came to. He talked with around 75 people, and always got a name correct, and generally more then 1, not to mention loads of birthdays... and aniversary's etc. The odds of his accuracy must be 8 billion to 1, unless as previously said they were stooge's, but if he could remember all there face's and all that information, in 1 week, and could afford to employee all those people, he deserve's to pull the wool over my eyes.

No Craig, that doesn't sound like just stooges to me, it sounds like he was doing a fair amount of pre-show work. Like.... handing the first 60 people in line clipboards with a paper asking them to fill out information. They're to keep that paper themselves "in case they're called on". But the clipboards are 'impression' clipboards that retain the information written on them. Old time ones worked with carbon paper, new- fangled ones by other means.

There's other really clever ways of retrieving information that fake mindreaders have come up with... I know! I seriously studied that stuff...

I'm not saying this fellow isn't genuine. It's just easier for me to see that he's not. My opinion is that it's only our own personal experience that can be 'the convincer'.  A performance by another, no matter how compelling, is never going to convince like personal experience. It's the touchstone.

I'm personally leary of people who perform in stadiums. My own feeling is that spiritual knowledge can't be sold or bought. It sounds like there's merchandising going on with this guy.

You're gonna have to decide what you think about this guy yourself. I don't really know, I'm just speculating here. But there's no harm being skeptical about it for a while, have a genuine open mind, before you set an opinion in stone. Why rush in to be a believer (customer) so quick?

I like entertainers and con-artistry. I like to do that stuff myself sometimes. That's different from my love of spirtual work though. It's a terrible thing to confuse the two...

Best to ya!
 
               Tim
         

;D...Yesss... Gordon is the best.. I saw him a couple years ago.  And at that time I thought John Edward was the best.  I still love John but Gordons readings go so much smoother.  He's just developed his ability a little better I suppose.   When you are able to feel his energy and his love for people you know there's no way he would be deceiving anyone by having plants..etc.. in the audience.  You definately have to have some faith in order to believe in what he or any other medium does.  

In his second book "The Unbelievable Truth" he talked about a medium (now deceased) named  Leslie Flint..He was a trance medium and recorded the sceances and if you listen to them you will hear spirits from the other side talking.  The spirits came through with the same voices they had when they were on earth.. but in some instances they had only a whisper.  The voices were independant of the medium.  The sitters witnessed (and there are photographs on the site)  a voice box made of ecto-plasm that came out of Leslies throat area and sat above his left side about 3 feet and this is where the energy was drawn from by the spirits.. The spirits do describe what it is like for them over there and they explain why it is so difficult for them to contact us.  And how much energy it takes and how some of them have to learn this process.   It sounds silly but I believe it with all my heart in the tapes and Leslies authenticity.. please check these tapes and out at www.leslieflint.com  First Gordon helped change my life and when he referred to Leslie.. it was like..wow.. I went from believing to "knowing".  

I'm so happy to have found this website.. I never have anyone to talk to about this stuff.

wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2006 at 1:12pm:

No Craig, that doesn't sound like just stooges to me, it sounds like he was doing a fair amount of pre-show work. Like.... handing the first 60 people in line clipboards with a paper asking them to fill out information. They're to keep that paper themselves "in case they're called on". But the clipboards are 'impression' clipboards that retain the information written on them. Old time ones worked with carbon paper, new- fangled ones by other means. There's other really clever ways of retrieving information that fake mindreaders have come up with... I know! I seriously studied that stuff... I'm not saying this fellow isn't genuine. It's just easier for me to see that he's not. My opinion is that it's only our own personal experience that can be 'the convincer'.  A performance by another, no matter how compelling, is never going to convince like personal experience. It's the touchstone. I'm personally leary of people who perform in stadiums. My own feeling is that spiritual knowledge can't be sold or bought. It sounds like there's merchandising going on with this guy. You're gonna have to decide what you think about this guy yourself. I don't really know, I'm just speculating here. But there's no harm being skeptical about it for a while, have a genuine open mind, before you set an opinion in stone. Why rush in to be a believer (customer) so quick? I like entertainers and con-artistry. I like to do that stuff myself sometimes. That's different from my love of spirtual work though. It's a terrible thing to confuse the two... Best to ya!                  Tim

Evening tim, Thanks for your reply.

I dont think anyone was given clip boards, i certainly was'nt.

I agree with you, that we need to experience something for ourselves to totally believe, but since i hav'nt been able to gather this kind of verification, im willing to put my faith in my logical brain.

I also agree that, some people are con merchant's, but ive done my research on gorden smith, he's worked for his local spiritual church for years, and he worked as a full time barber for years, before being spotted, and thrown into the lime light.

As with most people who have exceptional abilities, they soon get sucked into corperate events, etc... and sometimes, it's spoils there credability, but gordon still does his church's and regular sessions, completely free of charge.

Ive read all his books, and seen him on television, but i was'nt greatly convinced as i know tv has a tendency to cut out very important bits, but seeing him perform in the flesh, leans me greatly in the direction of believing he's genuine.

Hey Rharris,

welcome to the site, ive also researched into leslie flint, bRe: Gordon Smith, The ultimate Reassurance.

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Did he go into how he did it and if so what was hes take on how it works?

Did you manage to speak to any of the people who were read?

Why did you not post under the name spitfire?

;D.. What do you think of Leslie Flint..(spitfire)..?  I am not one to believe it until it's proven to me and he has proven it.. So has Gordon Smith.   There are a lot of the tape recordings online free to listen to.  Have you heard any..?  The "Bessie" one is very cute.. The lady who picked cotton in the fields and when she got to the other side she was so excited about her new shoes..and her long beautiful hair and most of all her education..oh and her cat..if you haven't  heard it.. I could find on the web and let you know...

Hi,
I posted something on this thread yesterday but it isn't there, even though my post count went up by one. Anyway let me try again.
I just wanted to make people aware (the ones that don't already know) that Gordon Smith is a medium that allows his gift to be tested.
The following is taken from his website:

Quote:

Working with the Scientific World 'I have allowed my mediumship to be subject to experiments in the hope that knowledge will grow from them. I have assisted the true seekers in tests, blind tests and double blind tests. It matters not to me whether people believe that what I do is genuine. All I can say is that I try my best.' Gordon has worked with Professor Archie Roy, Emeritus Professor of Astronomy at Glasgow University and Tricia Robertson of the Scottish Society for Psychical Research. Both are trying to establish a scientific approach to studying the evidence given by mediums to their recipients in order to dispel the age-old claim of the sceptic that information given by mediums is no more than general.

Here is the link to the page:

http://www.thepsychicbarber.co.uk/about2.html#scientific

He must be genuine. Why else would he willingly participate in tests that could prove otherwise and damage his reputation?

Peace.

SC.

Yes I too have read that about him, which does say a lot about his credibility. From what I can gather Prof. Roys tests are similar to those done by Gary Schwartz as detailed in his book "the afterlife experiments". Unfortunately I dont think prof Roy has written a book on his yet or maybe he doesnt even plan too.

People always argue that if mediums are real they should be willing to stand up to scientific test and analysis of their skills, which I have always believed fair commen. I'm currently reading through "is their an afterlife" by David Fontana and it cites some shocking examples of how scientists and investigators have deliberatly set out to prove mediums as fake under the guise of fair testing, sad that they would have to engage in this kind of which hunt just to protect their own precious little belief structure.

Heh,

Sorry Doc M your logic doesnt totally make sense.  Who cares how much he makes?  So youre inferring that if Gordon Smith or any other psychic for that matter makes a lot of money from his work then hes a charlatan?  So I guess all those doctors out there that make a lot of money out there must all be quacks!  Given your logic.

I say if the guy can make some money from his work and help people...im all for it.  In fact he can make millions for all I care....dont some plastic surgeons make that much?  


wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2006 at 12:03pm:

To continue in my Spitfire role, Craig, how many people were there, and how much did each pay to get in?  What was the take home pay for the medium? Matthew

Spit as for personal experience and what Bruce suggests about finding it out for yourself, in the case of believing in Psychics I find that this is usually the case for skeptics.  I myself being one needed  personal experiences in the form of accurate evidence to change my belief about them.  And I dont mean general predictions about the future.   A person cant be convinced of it until he/she has that experience that cant be explained away given his current beliefs, or has a more open mind to make no conclusions about a subject until he or she has thouroughly explored it.  Its healthy to be skeptical, but not to be stubborn..  Im glad to see you've had a personal direct experience that you can continue to test and expand in your belief with new concrete experiences.  By the way did you ever try the ouija board?

I think you'll probably find a big part of the reason that mediums like Gordon Smith end up moving away from 'churches' and towards 'stadiums' is that they become too popular. This is especially true for Mr Smith as he is currently being hailed as "Britains most accurate medium".

While churches are open places and all are welcome it would be unfair for him to attend a spiritualist church meeting and have 10,000 people turn up. Sadly with the movement to a stadium venue also comes a price for that.

wrote on Apr 27^th, 2006 at 5:09pm:

I think you'll probably find a big part of the reason that mediums like Gordon Smith end up moving away from 'churches' and towards 'stadiums' is that they become too popular. This is especially true for Mr Smith as he is currently being hailed as "Britains most accurate medium". While churches are open places and all are welcome it would be unfair for him to attend a spiritualist church meeting and have 10,000 people turn up. Sadly with the movement to a stadium venue also comes a price for that.

Hi senote,

trey and put yourself in Gordon's shoes, you have a family and yourself to take care of, are you telling me you would'nt perform in sell out stadiums to get more financial stability for your family?

wrote on Apr 28^th, 2006 at 9:40am:

Hi senote, trey and put yourself in Gordon's shoes, you have a family and yourself to take care of, are you telling me you would'nt perform in sell out stadiums to get more financial stability for your family?

LOL I like that question, and i'll be honest in my answer. If you put me, senote, into the shoes of Gordon Smith then hell yeah i'd be doing stadiums but thats because I am a materialistic person, I spend lot of money on myself. Don't get me wrong i'm not putting the guy down for doing it I'm just saying that money may not have been his motivation.

Lets make 1 assumption and thats that the guy you read about in his books, thats the real Gordon Smith, it isn't faked thats him. My take on that guy is that, like I said, he does the stadiums for reasons more noble than money.

I've read that Gordon Smith only takes money from his books, the incomes from his appearances go to charity...its all in his site that was mentioned before..

I really want to believe in mediums, but unfortunately in every case of a serious medium there is a merchantise involved in the form of books, tapes etc etc. This makes it a little bit harder for me to accept the whole deal. It is a matter of faith of course, but faith should not be given freely for there is a certain amount of responsibility towards ourselves and towards others.
It all comes down to personal experience, I myself had really limited personal experience, in the form of two episodes of sleep paralysis in which certain things already mentioned happened. I know I can read tons of books articles comments posts etc but it will only be personal experience filtered with my logic and belief system that will make me change. I really wish that in the end it will be proven to me beyond doubt that there is smth after this life...:)