According to Bob Monroe it seems that Left Brain conscioussness is one of the big reasons why were on this earth as oppossed to right brain.  

From many of Bruces experiences with earth bown entities, it seems as though these people lose left brain logic after they die,.  For instance,...constantly passing through walls or not being able to pick things up or talking to people and never getting a response.  I mean, if these people werent dead and they did that wouldnt they conclude that something is wrong and consider that they might be dead?  Does left brain logic leave us with death like it leaves us during a dream?

Hmmm...interesting thought.  Also made me think of something odd...I don't (at least entirely) lose left-brain logic while dreaming.  I've spent my life slogging through dreams going "What a weird dream.", tipped off by the fact that the person I was just talking to turned into someone else, or whatever.  I don't mind it (in the dream), but I definitely notice it, and have occasionally waked myself because the dream was too terminally boring (usually I stick with it hoping something interesting will happen, but sometimes I have the boringest dreams in the world.)

I can see how if you thought you were dreaming (when you were dead, say) and didn't usually notice the weird stuff being weird, how you'd feel stuck...

Hi bluejasn and Cricket,
it may be that generally the left brain logic is weakened in the afterlife. Cricket's dream example illustrates it.
I like to have another turn on it: Rational people, as normally natural scientists are called this, can also be very rigid in defending their belief system. And they're good in that, because they can build a very stable belief system because it is logical, but logical within itself. So, the point is: One can be very rational inside one's own belief system, but if things occur which are not fit with it, then those things are not noticed or discredited or denied. In this way, "rational" thinking and ignorance can stick together (can, not must).
Now, if one is not believing in the afterlife but is in the afterlife, all what this one would perceive is filtered through this "logical" belief system, and interpreted as hallucination or something like that.
Also, addiction to people, places, substances, emotions also happen to "left-brainers".

Spooky

If we have no physical brain in the afterlife then how does this work, there are so many answers that are open to doubt in my mind, how does anyone know what the answer is?  ???

That's a very good point Jambo.
Can anyone explain this to us?.
Thank you.

Peace.

SC.

Do not get carried away, the brain is just a filter, it doesn't define a way of thinking, it just narrows and focuses energies in what we need to learn in this planet and in an understandable way. You lose the brain when you die and then you have it all...:)

Jambo, I turn your question around: Have you ever asked how our brain causes experiences?
We are told in the media all the time the brain causes the experiences, or we "are" our brain. So, what is the brain? We can look at it. We can examine it with microscopes, with electrical and magnetical probes etc. But did one ever found an experience, a thought? Of course not. So it's that simple: Natural science proves not that our brain is producing experiences, it's materialistic scientists who promotes it and the mass media just babbles and repeats it, and we get used to it since we hear it from childhood on.
What can be found are correlations between situations in which probands are and what they report on the one side, and the activities the brain shows on the other side. But correlations are not identifications.
So it's a parallelism and not a causation what would be scientific to say, but not more.
There are other causes of philosophic-logical nature which shows that this brain-mythology is lacking of logical evidence.
From this point of view, consciousness is not necessarily bound to the brain.

The terms "left brain - right brain" to me are expressions of a dualistic view on peoples behaviour, two broad traits, like yin - yang, male- female, not to be taken litteraly as it is not proper founded in science (anymore...).

When I tell my opinions, I try to see possibilities under certain assumptions. I recall my thougts and meditations on it and write; can't be sure, must be dead to tell! And even then I might not be much more clever.
One assumption would be, there is a continuation of the personality in the afterlife. Then there would be those implications I stated in my other post above. Or one assumpts there is a melting with something greater or even with the all-that-is. Of course then talking of left- or right-brained pesonalities would be obsolete. There might be both, this is complicated to think, unfortunately, this is I guess what happens when we die or better to say, what already is.

Spooky

I truly FEAR few things. But the prospect of losing
my rationality frankly TERRIFIES me.
Do a google for "Division Theory". There are good
reasons to suspect that our mind is fractured apart
following physical death. (The rational mind goes off to reincarnate as Joe Schmuck (or whatever) and you're left with your right-brain/"emotional mind." As a result, most people end up in a world filled of their worst repressed fears... e.g., "Hell." Without their rational minds, they can't repress their "demons." Sound like fun?)
AND it is why I've recently taken up prayer of late. What do I pray for?
That when I die, that my consciousness be utterly OBLITERATED, and NO AFTERLIFE WHATSOEVER FOR ME...
Anything less (or more?) is absolutely unacceptable
so far as I'm concerned.

B-man

Chumley,
Many NDE statements show those people are amazed by the sense that "all has been revealed to them"; that now they know "all." They did not feel a mental loss.

I was hoping--no, I am setting an intent-- that the connections we establish here will carry over to the afterlife and we will meet there and laugh and joke and sing about the questions we used to have about the spiritualthatisnowall.  I want you to be there too Chumley because you have said something kind to me once, and I don't expect your hollow husk to just sit there and go Duh! You will be rejoicing with the rest of us. I know God will not answer your prayers to destruct because I have tried that many times and I'm still here tahdah!

Really interesting topic, blujasn--thank you.

I agree with PA and bets.
Chumley, this is not a good idea what you're praying for. You know sometimes prayers come true, but know what? What if some prayers become sort of half-true?

These fraction-theory is speculation (besides, this would imply you wouldn't be you after being fractioned), just like you might think retrievals may be speculation.
But, if not: Want you end up like a guy I met once on a mind journey who was repeating over and over again "I'm dead...I'm dead..." meaning he was nothing? I disturbed him, remembering him he just couldn't be dead/nothing cause he was talking...so I talked him out of that state. But on another journey I saw this black hole and went into it, and there seemed to be the hardcore, who really believed that they are absolutely dead, and I couldn't reach them, but I sensed they were still existing...

So, end of this dark stories. Why don't you pray for getting rid of your fear? Or for not being fractioned? For something POSITIVE! At least check it out!

Spooky

I agree with PA and bets.
Chumley, this is not a good idea what you're praying for. You know sometimes prayers come true, but know what? What if some prayers become sort of half-true?

These fraction-theory is speculation (besides, this would imply you wouldn't be you after being fractioned), just like you might think retrievals may be speculation.
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-Nearly ALL ancient peoples believed in it, Spooky. I rather suspect that this is one area in which people between 5-10 thousand years ago knew BETTER than our modern understanding (mainly because a professional priest class hadn't yet had the opportunity to twist "spiritual" knowledge into dogmatized religions.)
Speculation, you say? I agree with you there. But I think it is INFORMED speculation...
But, if not: Want you end up like a guy I met once on a mind journey who was repeating over and over again "I'm dead...I'm dead..." meaning he was nothing? I disturbed him, remembering him he just couldn't be dead/nothing cause he was talking...so I talked him out of that state. But on another journey I saw this black hole and went into it, and there seemed to be the hardcore, who really believed that they are absolutely dead, and I couldn't reach them, but I sensed they were still existing...

So, end of this dark stories. Why don't you pray for getting rid of your fear? Or for not being fractioned? For something POSITIVE! At least check it out!

Spooky
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What would I ask for? Everything I love seems to be a big "no-no" in the "spiritual reality."
But oblivion? Happens to me (almost) every time I go to sleep, and there's nothing unpleasant about it. As I've said before, I'd rather be dead than be a CRIPPLE any day. And what could be more of a cripple, than someone who had lost their faculty of analytical thought?
And to pray to NOT be fractioned? Why don't I go one further then, and pray for physical immortality (which I WON'T get!) And would Nature even allow a non-fractured mmind after death? What if you NEED the physical brain to keep the logical and emotive minds together? (Maybe that's what the brain is for..!)
As I've read it, you "die twice" (not to be confused with Christian dogma.)
First Death: your body dies.
Second "Death": your rational faculties bail on you.
Leaving you a "husk" if you will, a mere shell, an "emotive mind" without logic or problem-solving ability. (The ancient Egyptians called this state of mindless existence the "Ka.")
I've never feared death, Spooky. (I was "dead" before 1969 anyway!) But I have ALWAYS feared becoming handicapped in some way (physical OR mental.) The thought of spending millions - billions - trillions? of years as a "retard" makes my guts squirm and my toes curl up.
So, how best to avoid this fate? Maybe to ask for the simplest resolution of all (in this case, total death.) BTW, I liked the "black hole" analogy - perhaps these people were TOTALLY UNCONSCIOUS! If true death does not exist, then maybe this is the next best thing - so thanks for the info..!)

B-man

I also am concerned about the loss of some mental functions at
death.

One reason is my disappointment in the voices that come from the
beyond. Some of the ideas of people like Seth are impossibly
illogical and self-contradictory, and several other voices also.
It leaves me wondering, do they know something that I don't know,
or do I know something that they don't know? In some cases, the
latter is definitely true, I do know things that they don't know.
In general, I have some disappointment in the rhetoric that comes
through. It does not sound like I might expect, from a supposed
"Master", or someone in a position to lead. Some of the alleged
voices from the beyond are completely false, like the voice
channeled by Nancy Lieder and her doomsday planet.

It could be that these would-be gurus were illogical when they were
on Earth, and they took their illogic with them, and found all
sorts of new material to incorporate into their world of confusion.
That could be true in the case of a hollow heaven. I do not feel
that passing over  necessarily opens the door to wisdom. Seeing the
confusion I see in forums on the internet, I see no reason why that
would not still be there in the afterlife. We have many cases of
the confused taking their confusion with them, like in cases of
dementia.

I do take confidence in the fact that some things I do well in this
life, like logic, and politics, were things I did well in a
previous life, according to one psychic that I have at least some
confidence in. Edgar Cayce also saw this, people carrying abilities
forward from one life to the next. One case was a man who sold band
uniforms in this life was clothier to the French royal court in a
previous life. Then of course, there was Mozart, who seemed to
arrive fully equipped.

I am open to anyone who can introduce me to a logical voice from
the beyond. I think the Leslie Flint material is interesting. There
was one voice he channeled that sounded interesting to me.

So Brendan, this is what seems to me a practical advice:
If you have beliefs of, or think something to be probable, which you fear of, then it's only left to try to get rid of the fear. Maybe pray (to whomever), ask (the helpers so many said here were helpful to them) or use an imagination technique (the fear as bad guy or ghost, but part of yourself, command it to vanish) to achieve it. That's the only way left after all, isn't it?

Boris, maybe the above is also something for you. I am not a reader of Seth and other channeld entities because I know beforehand that I will never know if to trust, and if yes whom of them I should trust. So it wouldn't me get anywhere further. And I don't know if there are some "logic" ones.

Spooky