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Message started by RyanParis on Apr 6th, 2006 at 5:27am

Title: Spiritual things intract with Nature/physical.
Post by RyanParis on Apr 6th, 2006 at 5:27am
I believe that spiritual things (astral projection, ethereal matter, spirits, angels, etc) interact with the Nature/physical plane, but the main thing seperating Nature and the spirit planes are seperate dimensions.


Conscious mind = Physical body and Physical plane

Subconscious mind = Astral body, dreaming mind, spiritual planes, eternal timelessness



As you probably know, the conscious mind is the mind we use with the brain and with the five earth senses. The subconscious mind controlls what our physical body does automatically (blinking, reflexes, etc) and is our dreaming mind. This is one reason why I believe that people probably have past life memories in their dream state.

It's kind of cool and awesome how spirit interacts with the physical dimension. The main thing is seperate spirit dimensions, though.

It's true. :) :D


Title: Re: Spiritual things intract with Nature/physical.
Post by Vicky on Apr 6th, 2006 at 1:17pm
Maybe I'm not understanding your definitions, but it sounds like you are saying that consciousness is only limited to the physical dimension.  I disagree.  Consciousness crosses the barriers of the physical dimension.  Also, your consciousness isn't only limited in definition to who you are as a physical person.  Your total self is a consciousness, and your physical person is a part of that consciousness.

Also, many people, especially children, have recalled past life memories while awake.  It is not necessary to only have this happen in a dream.


Title: Re: Spiritual things intract with Nature/physical.
Post by spooky2 on Apr 6th, 2006 at 9:32pm
I don't find the disinction between the physical&brain&conscious awareness vs. the spiritual&subconscious is a good idea. This is causing a main problem, because you first need yourself to "have" the world, or, as we usually interprete, to perceive something including the picture/construction of the self. So it all starts with consciousness, and I take it all as different realms of consciousness. Then it is not very astonishing that there is alignment between the spiritual and the physical, if it's facettes of one basic "thing". Otherwise we had the problem of the way how the spiritual can have effect on the physical, and the need for a third thing, a mean, which then starts a chain of means between the mean and the two poles and all is getting way too difficult to be solvable.
Spooky

Title: Re: Spiritual things intract with Nature/physical.
Post by identcat on Apr 6th, 2006 at 10:07pm
I think the best way to explain how Spiritual and Physical can interact is by the following example:
Have you ever seen a bride or a pregnant woman glow? You can see or sense an aura around her? Well, this is when the spiritual enwraps itself around the physical.  At that "time" both the spiritual and the physical are interacting, therefore are one.  They are not seperated by any dimension. When the physical sheds it's spirit (at the time of "death"), the spritual moves on and leaves the physical/nature. The body turns back to "dust" and becomes part of the spirit of Nature, and our soul/spirit/essence moves on.  When we are alive in this dimension--- we may also experience the spiritual in full consciousness and not even be aware of it, as the example of the "glow" that people get when the hold their first born child.  I can be consciously awake and still experience a spiritual moment. Yes-- they can co-exist and yes they may also be on different planes of awareness. My husband explains it this way: when he was very ill and drugged up with pain killers, he remembers, quite clearly, his awake dreams of our grandduaghter. He was not asleep or unconscious. But the visions of our granddaughter growing up before his eyes was both physical and spiritual.  Does this help?

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