Hi all, it's been a few years since I've been to the board so I'm not exactly new :)

I was wondering about the status of a device Bruce was working on a few years back, an electronic means of communicating with the dead.

Thanks,
Jeff

i dont think it's going well.. because bruce has'nt given any information about it.  :'(

Hey Bruce -  and anyone else interested - I've been thinking about an analog computing system that is capable of regeneration that might be useful for this kind of thing. I'd be extremely happy to have someone with whom to discuss developments and construction.

My ideas come out of about 30 years of analysis of the processes involved, and they actually might work.

dave

From what i understand dave, there current approach is to use some form of crystal, quartz i think, and they use it to amplfie spirit voices. i dont know why they dont use the quartz in combination with a tape recorder, to produce clear messages.

The phenomenon of EVP (electronic voice phenomenon), has several excellent websites dedicated to it.  It is quite interesting, in that if you have a digital tape recorder, and you record white noise from a fan or quartz radio in between channels (static), and you pose questions after saying a prayer of safety, sometimes you hear voices or phrases.

What is interesting is that the voices may only appear on the digital tape on listening to it back again, and again.  It is clear that the observer/listener is crucial in interacting with the tape medium and the white noise.  

The issues are who comes through.  Konstantin Raudive recorded tens of thousands of voices.  He spoke four or five foreign languages.  Guess what?  The voices were only in the languges he knew.  In fact anyone recording EVP will almost always invariably record voices using the same language as the person doing the recording.  Hmmm....

Don and others speak of low level entities trying to confuse us about who they are or represent.  I believe that EVP is interesting, but frought with this trouble.  In fact, I wonder whether only very low earthbound spirits can be known through EVP.  I'm not sure myself.  

I'd be interested in hearing how any new machines are going.

Matthew

Bruce is probably too modest to go into detail, but he was able to get help from a deceased friend, Ed Carter, in building his device.  As I recall, Carter was an engineer when he was alive and was actually giving Bruce technical help from the other side.

They ran into some problems, but the last I heard, Bruce was attempting to resolve the problems and seemed to be close to getting it perfected.

It's been a long time since Bruce has given an update on his device.  

It was really an exciting thing.  Bruce had said that calling someone in the afterlife would be just as easy and fast as calling up a friend down the street.  Best of all, he figured that it could be mass produced cheaply enough (about $50) and available everywhere, such that virtually all of us could have one.

The implications of such a device are staggering.  All doubts about the afterlife would be erased.  There would be no more grieving survivors, they would know once and for all that their loved ones are doing just fine.

I'm wondering, however, if pressure from organized religion maybe stopped Bruce from bringing it to market.  After all, how could the various religions continue to hold their adherents in line as they do now by threats of a fiery hell?  The whole world would soon know those threats were empty devices just for intimidation purposes.  We would find out that people from all religions survive death.

In fact, when you think it through, I could easily see the Catholic Church in particular going bankrupt from lack of adherents.  And since money is so vital to the Church, if they got wind of Bruce's invention, they would be extremely unhappy and that's putting it mildly.  

Anyway, further info from Bruce would be greatly appreciated!

thanks for the info rond,

ive been looking for information on this device, but it seems the only information available is currently locked away in bruce's head.

Yes, it would be great if Bruce would tell us where he is in terms of its development, or what maybe went wrong.

I know he checks the threads, so I'm confident he'll let us know.

(I was thinking, not only would organized religion desperately want to stop this device from being offered to the public, but so would all of the high paid mediums!)

Another good point... i would'nt shed a tear if that happened.

i think religon would still survive, because im guessing a few people will be stuck in belief systems.. and they will pass information down the line, about them meeting mohammed the prophet etc..  i think they will probley find something in there holy text to fit the phone though.. some prophecy.

It would certainly stir things up though.... i think the worlds ready for it.

Rondele,

To be epistemologically meaningful, the claims of organized religion must be in principle unfalsifiable, and yet, unfalsified in actual tests.  Pope Pius XII welcomed attempts to develop an EVP device and thought it might vindicate the claims of the Catholic church.  Remember, most church leaders recognize the biblical implications the images of postmortem fire are merely figurative descriptions of postmortem "lost" or purgative states.  

On "September 17, 1952....Father Ernetti of San Giorgio Maggiore in Venice and Father Gemelli, a medical doctor at the Catholic University of Milan, were investigating in the University's Experimental Physics Laboratory ways of filtering the taped sound of Gregorian chants in order to enhance their accoustical purity.  The efforts of the two priests were hampered by the fact that the wire used by tape recorders before the invention of magnetic tape broke frequently, and required constant and delicate repair work.  Finally, Father Gemelli, as was his custom when exasperated, called on his deceased father  for help.  On starting the machine again, the Fathers heard not the Gregorian chant upon which they had been working, but the voice of Gemelli Senior, `Of course, I'll help you!  I am always with you.'"

The two priests immediately sought and received an audience with Pope Pius XII.  The Pope acknowledged this EVP phenomenon as a possible way to initiate "a new scientific study for faith in the afterlife."  This is the first known case of recorded EVP voices (David Fontana, "Is There an Afterlife?" p. 365).

Don

Even if voices can be picked up, won't some people call the voices with messages that don't agree with their opinions, voices from Satan?

Even if they get a voice of a deceased person they knew, they might call this trickery, if they are afraid to consider a possibility that doesn't go along with their current beliefs.

Recoverer,
Not usually!  But if they did so automatically, they would be making their positions unfalsifiable, even in principle, and therefore epistemologically meaningless.  Still, the prospect of spirit impersonators is well documented--a fact that creates a difficult research problem.

Don

Yes, Don impersonation is a problem.  But look at it this way.  The ramifications for a mass demonstration of an afterlife would change life, thought and action on a global scale.  At least, I would think it would.


M

wrote on Mar 21^st, 2006 at 2:04pm:

I was wondering about the status of a device Bruce was working on a few years back, an electronic means of communicating with the dead.

Jeff,

Still working on the project and still seeing small steps of progress.  During testing of a recent prototype we, five of us were listening, heard what sounded like a person talking behind a wall.  We all identified the voice as male, but could only guess at the words being said as they were to muffled by noise to understand.  The interesting thing about this voice is that it spoke nonstop without so much as a half second pause to take a breath for about 20 minutes.  We all agreed that if we were picking up an interfering radio station there should have been pauses in the talking, at least long enough for whomever was speaking to take one breath in 20 minutes.  It was like we were listening to someone's 'stream of consciousness' being said in that person's mind as continuously rambling thoughts.

With a different configurational setup of the device we received what two of us heard as the word 'Hello' spoken over and over in a very long, drawn out 'voice.'

There were some configurations of the device in which we felt we were hearing an interfering radio station.

At present I'm developing another prototype which will do a much better job of eliminating radio interference.  This prototype is also an attempt to improve voice quality to filter out more of the noise in the signal that causes it to sound like a very muffled voice.

Thanks for asking,

Bruce

what an exciting project Bruce!

just a few thoughts of my own..have often thought they are learning on the other side as well how to communicate with us here, either through developing mediums or technology devices.
I remark on this as when my husband died he "shouted" at me to get my attention from the other side, then when I saluted, aye, I hear you mate, keep it down, he resumed normal speech which was a lot like mental telepathy and a few words like insurance, money, mistake..he was reminding me about an error that was taking place. I could just pick up his tonal quality a bit after the loud shout.
but they don't breath air on the other side, so why would they need to take a breath or pause? only for us, as we expect them to talk like us or sound like us. so that stream you got makes sense to me.

also have one more thought; couple years back was really into PE. set my intention to pick something up for a friend on another board. every two weeks we would spotlight a person on the board and post whatever we got. for some reason instead of me going obe like I expected, she came to the radio receiver which is my mind. it was like dual consciousness, I knew my body was in bed and I seemed to be a couple feet above listening to her talk.
I noted that her voice didn't have any pauses in it either, just like Bruces device, she just went on and on and on excitedly about her spiritual life yet I couldn't decipher a single word into my brain function! I posted my experience on the other board as I was correct on the feelings that she was excited, doing well and had wanted to share that news. since this happens a lot, I've concluded words strung together must be for the physical reality, a slowed down version of the non/physical reality which is basically like telepathy rotes...

I envision a world where we no longer have a telephone bill..ha!

wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2006 at 12:21pm:

With a different configurational setup of the device we received what two of us heard as the word 'Hello' spoken over and over in a very long, drawn out 'voice.' There were some configurations of the device in which we felt we were hearing an interfering radio station. At present I'm developing another prototype which will do a much better job of eliminating radio interference.  This prototype is also an attempt to improve voice quality to filter out more of the noise in the signal that causes it to sound like a very muffled voice. Thanks for asking, Bruce

Bruce, you'll probably find this to be old ground, but the "tree spirit" thread with Spooky's experience made me wonder about the possibilities with your communication device.  Specifically the antenna arrangement.  Do you think there is any possibility to utilize natural terrain or even live beings like plants or humans as an antenna or antenna array?  Curvature of the ground or natural surroundings, various spiritually connected life forms, I don't know, but maybe there is some bridge between organic (thus spiritual also) and inorganic antenna that can help the reception?  It seems the premise of an inorganic communication device must utilize the electromagnetic spectrum, which presumably exists in both the physical and non-physical worlds.  Given that, it seems that the antenna can almost always be improved.  Just a thought.  Continued luck and success to you.
Bud.

wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2006 at 12:21pm:

The interesting thing about this voice is that it spoke nonstop without so much as a half second pause to take a breath for about 20 minutes.  We all agreed that if we were picking up an interfering radio station there should have been pauses in the talking, at least long enough for whomever was speaking to take one breath in 20 minutes.  It was like we were listening to someone's 'stream of consciousness' being said in that person's mind as continuously rambling thoughts. At present I'm developing another prototype which will do a much better job of eliminating radio interference.  This prototype is also an attempt to improve voice quality to filter out more of the noise in the signal that causes it to sound like a very muffled voice. Thanks for asking, Bruce

Wow, that very interesting Bruce, thanks for sharing. Been a while, i know but your's always in my thoughts.

The part ( It was like we were listening to someone's 'stream of consciousness' being said in that person's mind as continuously rambling thoughts. )
Remind me of NVC or rote that we get went we are in contact with someone, it seems like there no stoping in between the images/words/sensation, but not for 20 minutes..very interesting.
Keep up the good work dear friend and best to your familly.
With love, Romain

[Alicia:] "have often thought they are learning on the other side as well how to communicate with us here, either through developing mediums or technology devices."
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Yes, if earthly humans are subject to physical, cultural, and technological evolution, why wouldn't this also apply to many of the dead?  When I try to convince Christians that the Bible implies the possibility of soul retrievals, I am hoping to create momentum for an idea whose time has come both  in this life and the next.   Perhaps, postmortem participation in retrievals is greatly hampered by the fact that these souls excluded this possibility during their earth lives.

Don

RAM wrote about M band noise, which Bruce further explained in one of the chapters of his own book, The Entry Director.

"At the level of physical world reality there are presently over five billion human inhabitants packed onto a very small place called earth. Everyone living there is constantly broadcasting their thoughts and feelings into that close quarters environment. They're like five billion little radio stations all broadcasting their own, unique talk shows into the airwaves at the same time."

"Those thoughts and feelings are what we call M-band noise. There are so many people broadcasting at once, all pushing their thoughts and feelings out into the environment, we call it high level, M-band noise pressure."

So my question is, could all of these voices you're picking up possibly be originating from the M Band, and if so isn't it possible they could be thoughts not from the dead but from the living?

Roger