I am just curious, this applies mainly to the Christian beliefs regaurding suicide. How come Christians will swear you go to hell automatically and then when I went to a freinds funeral who commited sucide ( long time ago) they claimed ohh he is in heaven, bla, bla, bla... well they just lied then about going to hell! It dosent make sense first you go to hell on sucide then its no... there in heaven after sucide?? Like the church didnt have the guts to tell his family he went to hell?

The Catholic Church teaches that one goes to hell if he / she commits suicide.  Other Christian churches have different viewpoints depending on the church.

I ran into a woman this weekend at a Christian function who shared with our group that her mom committed suicide a few years ago and she had been trying to deal with it.  I tried to pull her husband aside and suggest that there is redemption beyond the grave (the words used in the original language of the bible do not suggest forever, just long periods of time - not to mention Bruce's work along with others).  He seemed noncommittal.   Its depressing and distressing for many, many people left on earth after a suicide to think that there is no possibility of redemption for ever.

Shawn,

I suspect you are confusing what that pastor believed with what some in his congregration might have believed.   In any case, the Bible never condemns suicide.   King Saul commits suicide once the Philistines mortally wound him in battle and he realizes he will be tortured to death unless he takes his own life first (1 Samuel 31:4-6).  Far  from condemning Saul's suicide, David laments his death and honors those who show respect for his body (2 Samuel 1:23-27; 2:4-7).   Judas commits suicide out of remorse for his betrayal of Christ (Matthew 27:3-5).   His suicide makes him more of a tragic figure than an evil one.  Samson's prayers for God to bring death to Israel's enemies as well as himself is an example of altruistic self-chosen death.  He musters up his strength and pulls down the 2 pillars that hold up the Philistine temple in which he is held captive.  Samson's suicide takes many of his enemies with him (Judges 16:28-31).  

Don

I just think they are hipicritical on this topic.

Hi I read in a book that  this man came to this medium .H e had commited suicide  because he didnt want to live on the earth plain without his wife . he said he is happy now he has been reunited with his wife and he was telling his family not to worry about him . I also read in another book that if you commit suicide you have to reincarnate because you have gone to spirit before your time . So really i dont know what to think but i dont beleive what the catholic church says about going to hell. Like jesus said forgive them father because they know not what they do. God bless juditha

I dont believe the catholic church either about going to hell if you commit suicide , people what commit suicide is usually because they cant see any other way out ,this is a harsh world and some people suffer very badly and find it hard to cope anymore .DEANNA

Shawn don't believe the hype, don't forget Catholicism was a MEDIEVAL religion, which was prevelant in a time where people believed anything and everything someone who falsely claimed that they could talk to god told them.

It is utterly sickening when the parents fill their young childrens minds with a  mortal fear of this non-existent hell.

Suicide may be committed under many different guises.  Some do it fast, some do it slow.

Do those who slowly kill themselves through their own life choices go to hell?

Hell is where you find it.  Some people prefer their own hell to another's heaven, some who post on this site.

Love is Real, and we all find our way to love in the end.  That's the end and the beginning of the story for each of us.

love, blink

Which means of course, dear Blink that Hell need not be an end or eternity.  It is the realization that love is the goal that will lift people out of self created hells.  One has often heard spiritualists say that one caught in a hell need only call out and ask for help from God/Angels.  But the desire to leave must be sincere.  This also requires a change in a belief system.  If a person wants to be in a better state of love, they have to willingly change themselves, otherwise, a desire for better without a desire to change won't work.  

I don't know what happens with people who take their lives, but I would think that they can not truly escape a situation here on earth that way.  The issues that the spirit needed to address will still be there.  The overcoming of fear, the learning about love - these needs will not just go away.

M

M,

I totally agree.  Hell is a place where the darkness can even seem bright.  How do we know when we are in a self-imposed hell, here or in the hereafter?

How do we lift the veil from our own hearts?

We can call out to God, angels, other human beings and even to our own selves.  Are we a self-created black hole of destruction?  Is the star collapsing quickly or slowly?  How do we know?

We only KNOW what we DON'T know.  Opening the mind and the heart, expanding our thoughts, creating new visions for ourselves, admitting that there is a greater and more HUMAN way to live is the only way to escape hell.  

All of us can find LOVE,

and it can find US
when we least expect it.

It is here, there, and everywhere, as the song says.

love, blink

Blink wrote:
>>>Hell is a place where the darkness can even seem bright.  How do we know when we are in a self-imposed hell, here or in the hereafter?<<<
>>>creating new visions for ourselves<<<

Yes! That's why I recommend to regularly imagine what could be better in our life, without tabus, to make clear to ourselves what wishes do we have to not get stuck in the same situation, like it is reported from the BST, when they start thinking of change, of "let me outta here", of not accepting the rules anymore, then they go elsewhere. If not, they stay.
Spooky

Hi guys-

I've had various reports of suicides during past life sessions, and one report of going to hell. The suicides either went into a sort of unpleasant grey holding state, "I'm walkng on a cold grey path with very little light. I'm all alone." Or they just popped back to the world, and in every case they picked up where they had left off in the prior life. Many of them had superior resources, though, so they gained a little.

The one hell scene reported to me was of souls so arrogant, uptight and rejecting that they refused to acknowledge that anything else existed, much less a loving God. Sounds like loss of heaven through pride - to rule in hell instead of serving in heaven.

The one theme I see going through this is that suicides and hell-related beings seem to be identifying with negative emotional states.

I find it hard to imagine that a person could be happy and loving and yet go to hell. Maybe 2000+ years of hand copying by less than enlightened scribes has led to a little distortion here - perhaps Divinely intended so that folks like us might consider it.

d

Shawn-michael wrote:
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I am just curious, this applies mainly to the Christian beliefs regaurding suicide. How come Christians will swear you go to hell automatically and then when I went to a freinds funeral who commited sucide ( long time ago) they claimed ohh he is in heaven, bla, bla, bla... well they just lied then about going to hell! It dosent make sense first you go to hell on sucide then its no... there in heaven after sucide?? Like the church didnt have the guts to tell his family he went to hell?  
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This is an excellent statement made to highlight the dogma of organised religion; the vatican city being at the head.  These societies are caught in a web that will trip them up as they have to remember what they preach! When one does not tell a lie one does not have to remember what one said to keep the lie going   :-X

Love and Freedom.

It really doesn't make sense that a God who has infinite love and wisdom, would make it so that a person who commits suicide, would end up in hell for all of eternity.

Some of them probably get lost in their own darkness for a while, but eternal punishment, no way.