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Message started by starstream on Feb 23rd, 2006 at 4:43pm

Title: a question regarding a suicide
Post by starstream on Feb 23rd, 2006 at 4:43pm
Hi everyone,I have been reading the boards for a while now,and due to a recent death within my family,I have felt compeled to learn more about the "bigger" picture.

My brother in law took his life a few weeks ago,and although he had,had a very difficult life with more than what you could say were  his fair share of life difficulties,he seemed to be doing well.
Hence the shock of his passing has hit the family hard.

I most definately believe in an afterlife and I am becoming more and more aware of how, whatever we think and do has an effect.
Since he passed,we have discovered a lot about his frame of mind in the last week of his life,and as a result,whenever I think of his ex girlfriend I get a tremendous buzzing sensation up the back of my head mainly concentrating to my left side.His ex was not  totally responsible for his death,but her attitude did not help him at all.hence the buzzing when i think less than nice thoughts about her .sorry I am digressing,any way since his death any negative thoughts I get about people create this buzzing,and it is so powerful its almost as if I am being told that it is not the way to think.Please don't get me wrong I am not some agressive bad tempered foul mouthed type so I am rather surprised that such a physical sensation is occuring.
I do believe that it is purely spirits way of saying "c'mon,you know thats not the thing to think"
Going back to my brother in laws death,I am concerned about him...he needed help down here,and did not get it. I am positive that help will be up there for him,but I know he must feel so bad for what he has done,would his guilt? shame? and fear of rejection stop him from making any contact with loved ones?.
I have always had fresh flowers for him,and candles and I pray that he is being cared for and not lost up there.Can anyone take a look see for him?.........I am not sure what information you require his name is Shaun and he lived in England.

I apologise if I have come across as a newbie,and i look forward to being part of this community.
Lots  of love

Vicky

Title: Re: a question regarding a suicide
Post by chilipepperflea on Feb 23rd, 2006 at 6:14pm
Hi Vicky,

Welcome to the board, I'm sorry to hear of your loss. But yes there are places up there, "the reception" which assists arrives in making their transition and learning how to operate over there.

I'm glad you already believe, most people are blocked by there beliefs, but did you know you can experience it for youself as well?

I can't comment on the buzzing sensation sorry, I have never heard of this before.

Also I don't think guilt etc would block him from making contact, I think it will do the opposite as he would want to let you know he is ok.

look forward to hearing from you on here,

Ryan

Title: Re: a question regarding a suicide
Post by dave_a_mbs on Feb 24th, 2006 at 3:53pm
Hi Vicky-

Past life regressions in which people tell of prior suicides often include reports of being able to see things more clearly.  To this end I suggest that you pray for Shaun, that he be at peace with himself,  and that he forgive himself and allow God to forgive him as well, so that he can get on with whatever it is that comes next in his spiritual evolution.

Regarding the buzzing, there are several possible explanations. One question seems appropriate in trying to figure it out. Have you been wishing that Shaun would stay with you, rather than going off into the spirit world?

I regret your loss, and I hope that through it you and your family will find peace and a greater awareness of the infinte love, fortgiveness and compassion of God.

dave

Title: Re: a question regarding a suicide
Post by Bruce Moen on Feb 24th, 2006 at 6:46pm
Vicky,

My condolences to you and your family.  When you said . . .

>> Going back to my brother in laws death, I am concerned about him...he needed help down here, and did not get it. I am positive that help will be up there for him, but I know he must feel so bad for what he has done, would his guilt? shame? and fear of rejection stop him from making any contact with loved ones?. <<

The questions you ask about are why this web site exists, and why I do what I do.  The questions you ask are the ones I wish were talked about and answered from knowledge more often.  I wish I had those answers, but I only have opinions.   We are Here in whatever world we find Ourselves, in whatever moment of eternity we are choosing to experience, to learn to experience and express pure unconditional love to an ever greater degree.  We learn by giving, we learn by getting, it's the learning part that is important.

In the suicide cases I have worked I have found that the feelings you described your brother-in-law might be feeling can have a way of trapping us, or getting us stuck in retrieval lingo.  The remedy is simple, change the feeling to love and those feelings can't trap you.  Love and fear cannot coexist.  So, how can we the physically living help someone like your brother-in-law?  Sit quietly, bring his name to mind, asked to join into his awareness, and then just sit there quietly feeling love.  I do not mean think about love, I mean I feel love.  And if the feeling of love slips away, it's OK, just remember a time in your life you are feeling love.  Let that memory bring the feeling of love into you, express the desire to connect with his awareness again, then just quietly sit there and feel love some more.

If any of you reading this do that, Shaun will feel it.  Your awareness is connected to his, he will feel what you are feeling.  You may feel what he is feeling, perceive him, those around him or his surroundings.  You two are in the same space in the same time.  It is part of the nature of consciousness that time and space realities can be created like a bubble under the ocean's surface.  The physicists have not yet figured out that you can be in the same space at the same time if the two of you create that time and space reality beyond the boundaries of other time space realities.  You just created another bubble in the ocean.  If any of you feel love while you are in that bubble with him, his fears and guilts will not be in that bubble.  It will clear his mind so to speak and he will be able to see and communicate with whoever is there to assist him.  They are the ones I call Helpers.  Sometimes a relative, sometimes a friend, sometimes a new friend.  That process is called Retrieval.  By doing retrievals: assisting those who are stuck to become aware of nearby helpers and go to a better place, you will begin learning from your own direct experience about what exists beyond the physical reality bubble we share.  It's a very interesting place, I recommend exploring it with your friends.  What I learned about what exists after death made any fear of it utterly laughable.

Vicky, if you do what I mentioned above, feel love while remembering Shaun, you may become aware of him, his surroundings or aware of those around him.  Make notes if you are interested in gathering evidence about the validity of your experience.

Love to all of you,

Bruce



Title: Re: a question regarding a suicide
Post by Bruce Moen on Feb 24th, 2006 at 6:57pm
Dave,

 So many times a suicide just needs to believe that foregiveness is possible, and that they can feel it from God.  Prayers that help him feel that would be prays well sent, in my opinion.

The buzzing is an interesting thing.  Not sure what it is either.  That you, Vicky, feel it in certain speific circumstances, and that you associate it with certain meanings, I find very interesting.  Feels to me like someone is "sending the buzzing" as a form of communicating.  Sounds like what they are feeling in coming through.

Bruce


Title: Re: a question regarding a suicide
Post by Daff on Feb 24th, 2006 at 10:29pm
Hi Vicky,

My condolences.

Several years ago my older sister accidently overdosed on perscribed medicine.
One day I was intensely thinking about her. Our childhood, funny times together. I can remember vividly picturing these times and especially 'feeling' them. That night  during dream state she came to me. She was so happy and excited. She said, "See, it's this simple, nothing to it." I do remember there was someone with her, but I couldn't make out who it was. I'm smiling as I type this, she was like a kid in a candy shop.  :)
Hope this is of some comfort for you.

Daff






Title: Re: a question regarding a suicide
Post by starstream on Feb 25th, 2006 at 4:50am
Thank you so much for all your replies,I  have been concerned that Shaun is "stuck" and have made a point of when nobody is around,talking to him,remebering funny times together,and because I believe in a wondeful place beyond our living life. ( I am not entirely sure what he believed in)I have kind of been trying to explain to him that there are no boundaries now,he can go places, learn things and truly experience life ,and I have constantly told him we love him very much. I shall try the quiet approach though,perhaps the talking it out is a bit too harsh .

I am very curious about the buzzing sensation,especially as it only shows itself with negative thoughts.I did wonder,when it first manifested itself,and I was thinking of his ex,that perhaps it was Shaun asking me not to lay blame on her ,for what ultimately was his choice.That certainly would make sense,but when it began also to show when i would get any negative thoughts about people or situations I became a bit confused.
I have had many psychic experiences,from voices waking me a night,but unfortunately they dont continue once i am awake,to 2 situations when spirit actually stopped me from being somewhere,where I am 99% certain quite considerable harm would have come about.

I cannot thank you enough for you kind words and thoughts. Lots of love

Vicky


Title: Re: a question regarding a suicide
Post by betson on Feb 25th, 2006 at 10:26am
Hi Vicky,
Re:>>I am very curious about the buzzing sensation,especially as it only shows itself with negative thoughts...>>
My experiences go along with your earlier comments that you considered the buzzes a warning that your thoughts must turn from the negative in this situation. You are very fortunate that you are sensitive to these warnings and know they have helped you in the past.

My opinion is that your own personal spirit guides are watchful and want to remind you to do well now, that what you do now has important consequences. Some things we can get by with more leniency, but some just have too much eventual impact.

Could you even feel some love for his widow and other family also? My condolences to you and the family.
(I've ignored such warnings and experienced the negative consequences--it's not worth satisfying your curiosity on this, believe me.) Best wishes,
bets

Title: Re: a question regarding a suicide
Post by starstream on Feb 25th, 2006 at 6:40pm
Thankfully he was not married to the girl,and the children were not his,although he cared for them (the children)deeply.I was very caring towards her,when he was first found,but after discovering that the notes he had written 4 days hence,begging for someone to help him and she chose not to bother informing family or any one who could have helped him.My feelings changed,It was 6 pages long outlining how he felt,I found it veryhard to be quite so caring,I found it a better option to avoid contact.we were not close to her ,she has a history of violence,and sadly the kind of person who gives off a bad "vibe".I thought the most diplomatic thing to do,bearing in mind also he had left her,was to keep my distance,else I say something I would regret.But it seems I can't even air my thoughts in my head.
I would dearly love to find out why this  buzzing is so strong,I have no medical conditions which would be aggravated by a raising of BP,which less than lovely thoughts can do. I have tested myself, by deliberately thinking horrible things to see if it happens,sure enough it does.Mind you,it has to be said,when I think without thinking(hope that makes sense) it certainly pulls me up quick and stops unessesary bad thoughts getting away.
But I do agree in that someone has chosen to come in very close of late,as this only began 6 weeks ago,previously i could think whatever i wanted with no consequences I was aware of,now its different, and, perhaps no bad thing.

Vicky

Title: Re: a question regarding a suicide
Post by dave_a_mbs on Feb 25th, 2006 at 7:17pm
HI Vicky-

Buzzing is often associated with leaving your physical body, kundalini, a few of the intermediate states as we spiritually evolve can bring buzzing and a host of other noises, and may also indicate connections with other beings.  

Providing that you haven't tried to "capture" Shaun to keep him in this world, I'd suggest following Bruce's technique to get in touch with him.

The biggest drawback in many suicide cases is that the suicide feels guilty and seeks punishment rather than feeling as if there's an important lesson to be learned through which there will come a reward. Coupled with "survivor guilt" of the family this can cause attachment problems in some cases. The overall goal is to realize that suicide is also a normal part of life for some, that it is not punished, that God both understands and loves without any condition whatsoever, and that by contacting Shaun you can explain this to him, and help him to take advantage of this experience as an opportunity.

At the same time, it might be useful to see whether you are a bit angry that Shaun abandoned you and your family. This is normal. But once you recognize that it is a negative emotion born of frustrated love, it can be turned around into loving wishes for support.

dave

Title: Re: a question regarding a suicide
Post by starstream on Feb 25th, 2006 at 8:37pm
I am very sad that he is gone,as none of his problems were "unsolvable",but I haven't tried to hold him back. if anything I have tried very hard)as I am sure he knows what we are thinking ) to encourage him to move on,and be happy.We know how much pain he had suffered in his life,and for someone to take their life,I do not think its an easy option at all.one made from mental exhaustion perhahps but not an easy one to make.
I have read Bruce's decription of how to contact loved ones,and i am going to give it a try.I do intend when finances allow to aquire books and cd's to help,
Do the cd's help or is it possible to get good results without them?

Title: Re: a question regarding a suicide
Post by juditha on Feb 26th, 2006 at 12:50pm
Hi Vicky my thoughts and prayers are with you for your sadness of losing shaun. Is there a libary near you as you could get books from there and i think a lot of libarys hire cds and videos out now. Is there a spiritualist church near you as well because when i lost y father i started to go to my spiritualist church and it helped a lot .There are people there all going through the loss of someone dear to them and there really kind and friendly and always ready to talk to you if you want them to. God bless you vicky.   Juditha

Title: Re: a question regarding a suicide
Post by PhoenixRa on Feb 26th, 2006 at 1:56pm
  Hi Vicky,

  Dunno if it helped, but the other day right before going to sleep i prayed for and tried to talk to Shaun, especially trying to feel Love (as Bruce outlined) and project to him.  

 Told him i knew how it felt to feel so unlovable and down as to want to die (almost succeeded in this once), that he needed to forgive himself.

 I didn't really get any solid visuals or anything, but just wanted to let you know i tried.  

 With Love,
 Justin

Title: Re: a question regarding a suicide
Post by dave_a_mbs on Feb 26th, 2006 at 6:28pm
Hi Vicky-

I bought Bruce's "Home Study Course"  and have found it useful. I'd recommend it if you want to learn his meditatiion techniques. My copy was even autographed!

However, the very basic method of going into trance and then asking for Shaun to come and converse with you should be adequate. It should be possible to do the same thing with respect to the energy that is causing your buzzing.

Another thought is that you might try alternate nostril breathing as a technique to stabilize your kundalini (that's the power source for the buzzer).  Hold your nose with thumb and forefinger. Open one side and breathe in. Close that side. Open the other side and breathe out. Then breathe in on that side, close it and breathe out on the opposite side.  That's one round.  Traditionally the count used is IN - 1 count, HOLD - 4 counts, OUT - 2 counts. It's easy to count pulse beats, say in a pattern of 2-8-4 or 3-12-6 since these give the same pattern.  Continue for a couple minutes. What this does is equalize the energy flow in your psychic energy system (nadis). It should alter or suppress the nature of the buzzing and may give you more direct access to its immediate soure. Or, at very worst, it's harmless.

dave

Title: Re: a question regarding a suicide
Post by DocM on Feb 26th, 2006 at 7:18pm
Funny that, Dave,

I use a relaxing breath that Dr. Andrew Wyle claims is big in India.  In it, use sit relaxed, putting the tongue up against the palate near the center of your top teeth.  You breath in through your nose to a count of four, letting the breath fill you down to your abdomen and toes.  You hold it to a count of seven, then you breath out through your mouth, keeping your tongue against your pallate/teeth, to a count of eight.  His numbers are four, seven, eight.  The claim is made that breathing in through the nose, and out through the mouth and keeping the tongue up against the junction between the roof of the mouth and front two teeth is essential to complete the circuit.

I do find this breathing a good way to relax, calm nerves and use with meditation.

Matthew

Title: Re: a question regarding a suicide
Post by recoverer on Feb 27th, 2006 at 7:54pm
Hello Starstream:

I get a buzzing sensation at the back of my head quite often. In fact, it buzzes most of the time. It buzzes in an area about the size of a grapefruit, opposite of my third eye. Some sources refer to this area as an extension of the third eye chakra.

It buzzes more intensly when I read spiritual books and meditate.

I've felt it become really active during conscious dreams, when quick changing images have been sent to me, and when packages of mental information have been fed to me from the spirit World.

I've felt it become more active while doing retrievels.

I've felt it become more active while paying respect to God and my higher self.

When I feel it, it isn't limited to the left side.

Even though I already have a pretty good idea as to why I feel it, I recently asked about it. I was shown a piece of paper with a number of words printed on it. The words that came through were, "kundalini,  Albert (my name), and connection to God."

The key thing is that it becomes more active when a being from the spirit World tries to communicate to me.

I wouldn't be surprised if your brother in law or another spirit who is close to you is trying to let you know there is no point in getting angry at your brother in law's ex girlfriend.

People often pass blame in such a way while down here, but I bet your brother in law isn't blaming her for anything. This isn't how it's done in the spirit World.

Things are set up so that nobody else holds the key to our happiness. Sometimes we allow them to hold the key, but this isn't their fault. Whatever, the case, as I said, I believe it is safe to say that your brother in law is now in a realm where such blame isn't practiced.

Your brother in law's ex girlfriend has lessons to learn, just like the rest of us do. If you make the decision to have empathy for her and the state of mind she finds herself in and wish her the best, you'll probably find that you feel love for her rather than anger.

There is absolutely no point whatsoever for feeling anger towards her. The only thing you'll do if you do so is hurt yourself. Plus you'll send some bad vibes her way, and doing so won't help her with her confusion.

I've also noticed that chakras will become more active when strong emotions related to an issue/energy block you're dealing with comes alive. I haven't felt this at the back of my head though. Mainly in my solar plexus, heart and throat chakras.

Title: Re: a question regarding a suicide
Post by starstream on Mar 7th, 2006 at 8:54am
Thank you all for replies with advice and help..I have been offline for a week,so I hope you didn't think me rude.
I am sure that with all your support and prayers,if he is still a bit lost he will be soon OK,and if he has got to where he is meant to be, he will be very chuffed with the prayers for him.
lots of love to you all
Vicky

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