Curses are associated with many people having bad fortune and dieing because they were told they were going to die on a certain day at a certain place or certain time The curse of tutankhamun came true those who violated his tomb were struck down with illness or died. Me and deanna were told by a cliarvoyant that we were cursed on our 13th birthday party  we are 50 now and we have never had any luck  so we beleive it  God bless juditha

wrote on Feb 13^th, 2006 at 6:43pm:

Curses are associated with many people having bad fortune and dieing because they were told they were going to die on a certain day at a certain place or certain time The curse of tutankhamun came true those who violated his tomb were struck down with illness or died. Me and deanna were told by a cliarvoyant that we were cursed on our 13th birthday party  we are 50 now and we have never had any luck  so we beleive it  God bless juditha

The tutankhamun story is just a myth, most of the guys who dug up the remains up, survived for years after the dig.

You are not 50!!!! you/your sister said she had gcse's. 50 years ago you were lucky to finish secondary school, and there wer'nt any gcse's. It's ok to be young, some of the best experiences come from the spring time of youth!.

A medium cursed you aye? it only has affect if you believe it, and even then it wont have much an affect. You sore she was'nt joking? 13..being "unlucky" is quite a doosie!. And she probley was'nt a medium, she was probley a witch - did you check to see if she had any toes or a black cat?

wrote on Feb 13^th, 2006 at 6:43pm:

Curses are associated with many people having bad fortune and dieing because they were told they were going to die on a certain day at a certain place or certain time The curse of tutankhamun came true those who violated his tomb were struck down with illness or died. Me and deanna were told by a cliarvoyant that we were cursed on our 13th birthday party  we are 50 now and we have never had any luck  so we beleive it  God bless juditha

I can't think of any deaths related to 'curses'. If you can provide some more info that would be great.

Don't believe everything people tell you. :p

Hi Juditha-

Vodoo is often uised as an example of cursing, and it is a very valid and true example. First, everybody gets the message that Joe is going to be cursed by the hounh=gan. Then the houngan does some kind of ritual, and typically recites a chant. (The only one I know is defnitely a curse!) The chant has a specific rythm that can be drummed. Kids can beat it on a fence with sticks. People can mumble or sing it. After a while, Joe hears all this stuff, the ceaseless drumming and so on, and being a "true beoiever" Joe believes that he is going to die. The usual result is that Joe does what he feels appropriate, and has a nervous breakdown followed by shock, cardiac fibrillation, and subsequently death. The process is easily explained psychologically, but when used in this manner, it works.

As for cursing someone in secret, you can go through the process, but the immediate result is likely to be negative karma from having done a destructive act, even if it turns out to be ineffective. The person cursed, however, is like a greased door knob. Unless they have done something wrong, they can't be grasped, the curse can't stick.

Hey Spitfire- I don't have a cat, but I have toes. Can I be a witch?

dave

wrote on Feb 13^th, 2006 at 9:36pm:

Hey Spitfire- I don't have a cat, but I have toes. Can I be a witch?

It's an old tale, that witch's dont have toes. They used to use them in curse's.

But sure dave, if you wanna try to beat harry potter i'll back you :)

Here's a curse I'm going to place on all of you right now...
"May the fleas of a thousand camels invade your underwear tonight."
Anybody gets fleas, lemme know.

B-man

wrote on Feb 14^th, 2006 at 3:28am:

Here's a curse I'm going to place on all of you right now... "May the fleas of a thousand camels invade your underwear tonight." Anybody gets fleas, lemme know. B-man

*scratch scratch*
Thanks alot, B-man! :P ;)

Edit to add:
Get that camel out of my house!

Hi i read this story in a book about the paranormal and it told of a man who was called Roy c sullivan  who lived in virginia who was struck by lightning 5 times with increasing severity. after his retirement he lived inside most of the time thinking it less likely that he would be stuck by lightning anymore . anyway it did  not work he was stuck by lightning 3 more times and survived . anyway it proved to much for him and he shot himself .  in the book they said he was jinxed.  god bless juditha

Greetings Juditha,
I think You 2 and the curse-happy clairvoyant were doing the same thing this board is doing--bringing the unconscious into physical reality through your beliefs.
Only this board/site is bringing out the positives into the light of reasoning (usually?)
but your clairvoyant made a new negative that had not previously existed and made it out of your positive faith in your abilities. That's a very dastardly deed!
You believed it, didn't you? Particularly at 13 yo, such an impressionable age.
Maybe the cl. feared your gifts and was trying to tone you down to keep down the competition--clairvoyants aren't necessarily honest.
It seems like its time to light a candle and pray for release from that curse.  You have plenty of strength to do that now. Your faith is in higher powers than that clairvoyants--use it to overcome such a low blow.
Best wishes, bets

Yes bets me and juditha were cursed at 13 yrs old ,nothing ever went right anymore we had nothing but bad karma following us around i will try the candle thanks bets its given me some hope to get rid of this curse once and for all .DEANNA

hi bets thanks for your reply. i will try the candle  god bless juditha

Hi Spitfire-
Ha! - My toes are doing OK, except for being cold at night. But if I can find a suitable broomstick I'm willing to beat Harry Potter with it.
d

wrote on Feb 14^th, 2006 at 11:08am:

Greetings Juditha, I think You 2 and the curse-happy clairvoyant were doing the same thing this board is doing--bringing the unconscious into physical reality through your beliefs. Only this board/site is bringing out the positives into the light of reasoning (usually?) but your clairvoyant made a new negative that had not previously existed and made it out of your positive faith in your abilities. That's a very dastardly deed! You believed it, didn't you? Particularly at 13 yo, such an impressionable age. Maybe the cl. feared your gifts and was trying to tone you down to keep down the competition--clairvoyants aren't necessarily honest. It seems like its time to light a candle and pray for release from that curse.  You have plenty of strength to do that now. Your faith is in higher powers than that clairvoyants--use it to overcome such a low blow. Best wishes, bets

Seriously?

When I was in college I placed a demitriative curse on another student; it worked so well it scared me and I never did it again.

Voodoo curses can work through the power of negative suggestion triggered, say, by the voodoo doll.  You see the unexpected doll in your house and realize that someone means you ill.  The fear either kills you or makes you sick, if you are suggestible.  Such curses require the target to be aware of the hex.  

But there are more diabolical curses that depend on secrecy, so that the victim won't take magical countermeasures.   Here the hex death seems to be inflicted by a demon or an evil discarnate spirit.  Fortunately, this more lethal type is more rare.  To read about the killing power of hexes, read, Larry Dossey's chilling survey of the evidence in "Be Careful What You Pray for."

Don

Deanna and Juditha,
I think I can tidy this up nicely and summarize a couple of ongoing threads.  

I think this sinister clairvoyant is not the root of the "life without any luck" problem, though I think picking on 13 year old girls is inexcusable.  Unfortunately, I don't know what the real problem is, but it began before the "bedknobs and broomsticks" incident when you were six (that would be the levitating bed and dark presence).  Way before, in fact, before you were incarnate.  Fast forward to the very detailed and specific reading you got from spirit at spirit church via the helpful medium.  In short, you don't need to wait till afterlife to find out why you continue to be together as twins.  It's obvious.  You have been through some much crazy stuff, you wouldn't survive otherwise.  Frankly if either of you were on your own, you'd have gone off the deep end by now.  Now of course, as is my way, some of this analysis is tongue-in-cheek, but really, it could actually be that simple.  What better way to weather a lifetime storm of unexplainable supernatural phenomenon and bad luck than with a buddy who's been with you for many lifetimes?  So, if there is such a thing as a curse, consider that you are together and have each other's back as part of the defense.  Hope this helps.

Judith & Deanna,

>> Me and deanna were told by a cliarvoyant that we were cursed on our 13th birthday party  we are 50 now and we have never had any luck  so we beleive it  <<

I'm not sure what it is you believe from what you've said, but curses are, in my opinion, just a Belief System Territory kind of place.   If you join into it maybe you get lost in it a while, maybe you don't.  Sounds like at the very least the two of you chose not to join, so far.

I'm always leary of folks who claim to know you've been cursed.  That's because I remember this story . . .

Two proto-men, cave men from long ago, were walking along the beach.  Oog wasn't looking where he was going and stubbed his toe.  Real bad.  Broke it.  Blood all over.  He's jumping up and down, screaming to his buddy, Uug, why did this happen???

The light bulb comes on in Uug's head.  "Oog," he says, "someone is using the rock god in a curse against you!  If you don't appease the rock god, this will happen again and again."

"What must I do," Oog asks, "I know nothing about curses and rock gods, how can I appease them and be rid of this curse?"

"Find the person who is cursing you and stop him!

"What if I can't find the person?" Oog asks, "how can I stop the rock god from hurting me?"

"I think I can help," says Uug, scratching his beard.  "Bring me half an antelop and I will appease the rock god for you."

The birth of the priesthood.

Someone who tells me I am cursed only needs to wait until some bad luck falls my way, as always happens to all of us eventually.  And if I am gullible enough, I will be carrying today's equivalent of half an antelop, give or take a few bucks, to the priestess to have the curse removed.

No doubt there are some better at creating such belief systems territories than others, but it's the same game.

Bruce

Good points, Bruce...


If one ascribes to the notion, as I do,  that thought is constantly translated into reality if it becomes belief, than belief in being cursed will affect probabilities and outcomes in your day to day life.  

This is why voodoo works (as Don stated).  Belief is a powerful thing.  This is why I discourage people from getting palm readings and delving into their future with "readings."  The future, in truth is not predestined.  However readings from a psychic can act somewhat like a curse.

In a fascinating short book on consciousness, a story is told of a man in India who had his fortune read.  He was told that he would die by the new moon.  He began to get his affairs in order, bid goodbye to his family.  And he developed a malady and died around the time predicted.  He bought into the subconscious belief of death and it became a reality.  

So, as in so many other threads, it is all about thought and belief.  As Bruce mentions, curses are like a miniature belief system territory.  To my thinking if the belief is strong, deep down, miraculous things may happen both by prayer, and by curses.  

We are told that in the afterlife, in focus 27, whatever we think about may materialize in front of us.  Thought creates reality there like nothing we know here in the physical world.  However, in the physical world our deepest thoughts do materialize by changing probabilities and circumstances in our lives.  It takes a little more introspection to understand this, but this understanding, if it comes can be one of the most profound realizations a person may ever have.

Matthew

A HEX DEATHS AT A DISTANCE (drawn from Larry Dossey's book, "Be Careful What You Pray for", 98ff.

I agree with the replies of Bruce and Matt to Juditha.  But occasionally supernatural forces seem to be involved in hex deaths.  Here is one example.
During his investigation of Hawaiian kahunas, psychologist Max Long interviewed William Brigham, the eminent curator of Honolulu's Bishop Museum.  Brigham had also studied kahunas and even mastered some of their skills.   He shared a hex-death experience from his 3-week expedition to collect native plants up Mauna Loa.  

One of the 4 Hawaiians recruited to help him was a youth (age 20).  Near the top, this youth got too sick to move and experienced a `slow paralysis of the lower limbs and threatening general collapse,' the symptoms of the death prayer.  Some time ago, the old kahuna of the youth's village wanted to keep the village isolated.  So he threatened the villagers with the death prayer if they dared to join the whites.  The youth...had forgotten this prohibition and, in any case, believed that the order did not apply outside the village.  An angry Brigham recounts what he did next:

"I decided...that I was going to try my hand at sending the death prayer back to the kahuna.  The spell had been initiated and the trained spirits sent out.   All I had to do was...talk [them] over on my side, and then exert all my will to send them back and make them attack the kahuna.  I felt this would be fairly easy as the boy was guilty of no actual sin...I...said to the men: `You all know that I am a very powerful kahuna?'  They agreed most enthusiastically.  `Then watch me,' I growled.   I went over to the boy and went to work."  

Brigham put on quite a show on the slopes of Mauna Loa that night.  His strategy was to convince the spirits that their master must be a devil to send them to kill one so innocent:

`I knew that if I could win them over and get them worked up to a high emotional state and ready to revolt,' he said, `I would be successful.'

Kahunas traditionally protect themselves from spirits through a ti leaf ceremony.  Brigham suspected the old kahuna had not invoked this protection, since he would have no fear that Brigham or his aides would send back the hex.  

The air seemed to tremble with `the fury of some unearthly confict of forces.'  Suddenly Brigham felt that he had killed something deadly and that the tension had vanished from the air.  Within an hour, the youth's health was restored to normal.  

When Brigham and his team visited the kahuna's village, an old woman and a girl working in a taro patch spotted them and ran away screaming.  The grass huts were deserted.   He soon discovered what had happened on the night he had sent back the death prayer.  The old kahuna had awoken from a deep sleep, screaming, and had rushed to get some ti leaves.   He had performed the  protective ceremony, but it was too late.  He soon fell to the ground and began to moan and froth at the mouth.  By morning he was dead.

The reality of hex deaths is confirmed by anthropologist Michael Harner, author of the classic, "The Way of the Shaman." In an interview with Dossey, Harner explains: "In Jivaro culture distant hexing is taken for granted... Many of the shamans I've studied in the Amazon have claimed to be very good at it.  I have no reason to disbelieve them."  "Why do they hex others at a distance?" I asked.   "If the victim is unaware he's being hexed, he won't take measures to counteract the hex or take revenge on the shaman.  As an added safety measure, the Jivaro shamans perform distant hexing in teams of 2 or 3, not alone.  It the victim tries to get even, there's safety in numbers [Dossey 103]."

>>...today's equivalent of half an antelop, give or take a few bucks...<<
;D   ::)   :P  
Thank you!  Humor is a good medicine!
And nothing like laughing at the fierce-seeming thought-forms to help break them up too.
bets