Greetings,
I was hoping that when we see images from the spirit realm that they were true, like photos, and could be relied upon.  But recently I thought I saw a grey cat with only medium long hair and I'm told by the person requesting info that it should have been a pekinese dog with light hair. Would my 'Interpretor Overlay' change a species?!  If I were mixing up a cat with a dog you'd think I'd at least substitute a long haired persian cat for a pekinese. Consciously I know species and breeds better than that.  
This sounds silly but I'm serious.  Any help greatly appreciated.
bets  :-[

Greetings,
I'm still pondering that interpretor overlay of images but the possibility came up that "in the beginning was the Word.." ? That maybe information came thru first as a verbal description, and since I don't hear that well, my Interpretor changes it to  images before I get it consciously--?  Does this go along OK with what's been written by Moen, Monroe, Cayce etc?
bets

I remember reading in Bruce's latest book that during a workshop, one of his participants doing a retrieval was seeing a "Bird of Prey" spaceship from the Star Trek series.  This was due to an Interpreter Overlay.

In reality, his perciever was picking up on an F-14 fighter pilot, which he was finally able to pickup after trying again.

So yes, it appears that you can accidentally switch out a cat for a dog if the Interpreter is allowed to carry on too long.

Thank you, Jeff,
I remember that now too.  Guess I'd better reread it all.
This is harder than I thought.  i thought the 'closer' and 'higher' the truths were, the quicker and easier I would get alligned, sort of like Biblical Paul getting zapped fast, --well maybe not so easy tho.
bets

One example I've used occasionally is the word "frog".  To most people, it's a small amphibian. I'm a farrier, so to me it's as likely to be the soft rubbery center of a horse's foot. If someone in spirit was trying to send me "frog", it could come either way...but to someone who didn't know about the horse's foot version, "frog" is going to mean "amphibian", regardless.  I don't know where those two subjects would be likely to come up while discussing things with the next realm, but they're the two farthest apart in meaning versions of one word I could think of.

Thank you, Cricket,
I'll surely remember that one since I'm in phase 2 of my horse-craziness!
bets

So, betson, you'd like to see an Arab horse when it's presented to you and not a Shetland pony. The more expert you are in horse races, the more probable it would be you match it. But, let's say you're a real fanatic horse fan and so you get a tunnel view and no other animal counts for you. Then, a dog is presented to you in the astral, a pet of someone, and it is quite reasonable if you would see a Shetland pony. What counts is the emotional attachment, for the dog's owner the one and only pet is a dog, for you with your horse spleen (sorry) the ultimate pet is a horse, the common point is "my favorite pet". If you like to be a remote viewer you'll wanna see the things as they are seen in the physical, but for example if you like retrieving, the emotional side of reality is by far more important. Though an overall correctness would be fine, makes verifications a lot easier.
Spooky

Spooky 2 said--" If you like to be a remote viewer you'll wanna see the things as they are seen in the physical, but for example if you like retrieving, the emotional side of reality is by far more important. Though an overall correctness would be fine, makes verifications a lot easier. "
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Thanks, Spooky2!
I had no idea about that difference! So I have to choose which role I want and work from there?
After getting experienced in one can I add the other ?
(I still confuse those big gold animals running across the road to be Great Dane dogs, but actually they are deer.)
Didn't quite get the comment about the horse in my spleen, except that mare urine is used to make estrogen pills, so that's physically true of alot of women my age. But I've liked horses since i was 3 and our friends had a shetland pony farm.
Spookily perceptive of you tho. Could you also tell me what that force is to the far left of my heart, described in my post on the I/Thou disk?)
Thanks, bets

Hi Bets,
>>>So I have to choose which role I want and work from there?  
After getting experienced in one can I add the other ?<<<
I think that would be a good way, because doing retrievals is a basic school for opening our view to other realities. Why that is, I don't know. But the success Bruce had with his workshops is something to recognize.
One thing is to allow yourself to imagine and to REMEMBER what happened then, because ususally imaginations are discarded and forgotten- because they are "just" imaginations. So to say, pretend that imaginations are or possibly could be objective (other beings involved) reality, and from my experience one will remember a lot more doing so. From what I know about remote viewing, it is very unreliable. For example, I tried it with my sister when she was far away on vacation on the other side of the planet. When she was back and I told her what I saw, in the first time we found not much, but when she checked the FOLLOWING day of her journey-journal, we found many matches, but many things which she could not verificate. It was also symbolic. So I wouldn't have known what it meant without exchanging it with my sister. Nevertheless it was convincing to me, it were not only random coincidents, and this and other little experiences is changing my view constantly. The basic method of retrievals and remote viewing seem to very similar. It is to intent to go somewhere, to play around with imagination and then to remember what is happening.

With "horse spleen" I just ment horse obsession.

Concerning this force, can't tell you much about it, but I have too most of the time something in the very left of my chest, a narrowing feeling, or like if there is something foreign in my body, uncomfortable; when this feeling leaves, I feel much more free. And, I too use the top of the head and the forehead area as a sort of escape-opening to ease those feelings. I've read a bit about chakras, but I didn't found something similar to our technique, did you? Talking about that orange discs, isn't it an impressing color when it's not yellow anymore but not yet orange? Something in between yellow and orange, india yellow. Well I've painted once some oranges in a bright impressionist's style, they're glowing. When I was in France I was so fascinated of the cathedrals, and it's big rosette windows with colored glass. Was such mystical experience for me as for you the discy glowing oranges I guess.
Oh I'm a little wordy today...
Bye, Spooky

I can relate to this in my own personal experience. I entered what appeared to be a aircraft hanger. Many people entering it with belongings, clothes, blankets, ect.. I didn't know what was going on, so I just walk in with the flow of people. TO make this short, I decided to float up and hover to take a look around from a higher perspective. I didn't realize how people would react. Da how often does one see another one levitate. Some paniced, some curious and excited. Well when I got back to the ground I talked to several people, and I appeared to them as someone they new, not knowing this was happening. One guy said I know you look like a friend of mine that died a while back, but I know your not him, who are you. So this overlay was put on me without my knowledge. I don't fully understand it, and how it happens, but it does. So what you see maybe a projection coming from you.  Something you can go back and find out .

Thank you spooky and dwdream,
Your thoughts are very helpful and encouraging! More experience, more confirmations---I will.
Spooky, that's exactly the color I meant--thanks for naming it.
Thanks too for even knowing what I was talking about.
bets

Spooky said >>...I've read a bit about chakras, but I didn't found something similar to our technique, did you? Talking about that orange discs, isn't it an impressing color when it's not yellow anymore but not yet orange?...<<
Then later Spooky said on PE Feb 25th that in spirit he spun the Y-Orange disks and they turned into spheres, like the orange fruit at the Impressionist museum.
Also, in the meantime at a NDE website recommended elsewhere on these boards, I read the words of a South American man who had a NDE and he saw "his little man" leave his chest area and he then went on to speak of his experience through his 'little man,' which apparently is how his culture sees their soul/spirit.
So all this together explained what had triggered my mystical experience with the glowing oranges. --

When I first saw the glowing oranges in the painting immediately i felt a thumping in my chest to the left. I could tell it was both insistent and jubilant for some reason! I sat down and pretended to be drowsy so other museum-goers wouldn't bother me. I 'saw' a yellow-orange sphere within my chest and within the sphere an even brighter gold 5-pointed star or figure.
It was jumping around like it was encased and wanted out. Sometimes it looked like a blazing star; sometimes more detail showed and it looked like a little human. I was getting worried by its energy and feared if it got out I would die. But I was getting tired and didn't think I could hold it back so finally I said mentally for some reason, Oh all right, just go...and suddenly I felt a plop and imagined a golden light move up to the painting, skirt around the surface, and then slower, return.
I felt 2 sadnesses, I felt its deep sadness that it could not find what it thought it saw---more beings or spirits like itself, and separately my sadness for it and what my life had done to it to make it  so desperate.

Now having read your experiences on these boards I should not be so surprised at the vividness of this experience from 30 years ago. But it came completely without my intent, of its own will. I apologize to my spirit for the spirit-killing choices I have made.
So
That is why i wonder if each chakra has its own consciousness/beingness, or if our single spirit is mainly housed in our heart like they say it is. So what's in our brain then? Just the perceiver/interpreter apparatus?
If these parts have such different roles, what do we owe each?

Oh wow Bets that's a story! A real turning point story as I see it. That color for me is associated with the sunrise, with a new morning, and this association is seems to be quite good fitting in this case. I like this kind of stories, they show us how spicy and surprising life can be, without great physically-to-be-seen changes, but despite this subtleness life could be look different after one moment of personal inner ecstasy.

The little figure that went out and came back to you of course this is odd. There may be people who can tell something about that from a view of "spiritual physics/psychology"; I'd like to say in any case you can see it as a conversation inside an expanded state of you, something was strongly resonating (a complex of ideas and impressions, therefore it was appropriate to react to a more entire type of experience, the glowing oranges rather than sharp-divided single things, as f.e. a voice telling you "do this do that") with you, and you made it conscious to your physical-level self in this experience.

As you probably know, the different chakras are supposed to have different tasks in different regions or levels, so in this case the heart chakra was the one which resonated and gave you a break-free-boost, like the eyes' task is to give some physical input. Just a simple idea from me.

The sadnesses are related to your past and  the present (that what it/you really wanted/needed wasn't available right now); so it was "insistent" pointing at what you had missed so far, and "jubilant" to see a new life's morning.

I wouldn't put chakras and the brain (or other body organs) in the same category of things. The concepts behind both is very different. Chakras are locales which do not have an exact physically defined place, they are just felt, while the brain is a physiological (physical) object in which no experiences at itself can be found, but in which only the necessary and simultaneous (to the experiencing) processes take place to have this specific hard-material human experience. It's the same thing when something is "breaking your heart" and you feel "heartaches", but nothing can be found physically in your heart except maybe that it is beating faster. (Sorry for this chapter but it's an issue I'm not getting tired of repeating because there is going so much wrong in our society in this regard).

If you feel the little figure has a life of it's own, hmm, then I don't know what it is, but you seem to feel that it's belonging to you? A philosopher (Heidegger) took the term "ecstasy" as "ec-stasis" which for him transported the meaning "standing out of oneself", a state of expanded awareness where you view yourself from and in a greater field of meaning but in the same time you are both, or even all three: The entire situation of ecstasy, the greater aware one and the less aware "everyday functionating" one. (Well, that's probably why you better shouldn't drive a car while being ecstatic.)

Oh, I saw on ancient drawings the pentagram as a human figure, like you told of. The five-pointed star stands for the little (man's) world, the six-pointed star for the big world (universe, all) so I've read once in some books regarding the occult.

Spooky