There must have been a time when we were perfect in the eyes of God,I have heard that there were wars in heaven.Could we have fallen from grase.Maybe thats why we were sent here on earth to find our way through repentence back to God.in otherwords,we had fallen from grase and its a long way back to the way we were.George

wrote on Feb 10^th, 2006 at 3:57pm:

There must have been a time when we were perfect in the eyes of God,I have heard that there were wars in heaven.Could we have fallen from grase.Maybe thats why we were sent here on earth to find our way through repentence back to God.in otherwords,we had fallen from grase and its a long way back to the way we were.George

Heaven wars? sounds cool, and would make a pucca movie.

I'll use my light saber to slice gods head off.

Judo Chop!

There was a time till adam and eve spoiled it  if they hadnt disobeyed god and bit the apple on the tree of life in the garden of eden we would still be living in paradise right now with no wars no pain  only love . deanna

Yeah those assholes... They would have been better off if they just butchered and BBQed up a fat cow. Fruit is overrated.

wtf this forums has an automatic profanity filter? Weak.

wrote on Feb 10^th, 2006 at 7:51pm:

There was a time till adam and eve spoiled it  if they hadnt disobeyed god and bit the apple on the tree of life in the garden of eden we would still be living in paradise right now with no wars no pain  only love . deanna

if adam and eve did exist then that means we are all technically related to one and other, I don't thinky so  ;)

Jambo we are all brothers and sisters in the eyes of god, god is our father in heaven we are all his children. DEANNA

Do I hear the "dueling banjos" someplace???
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There was a time till adam and eve spoiled it  if they hadnt disobeyed god and bit the apple on the tree of life in the garden of eden we would still be living in paradise right now with no wars no pain  only love . deanna
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If there were only TWO people in the beginning (Adam and Eve)...
Guess who their boys were "doing the nasty" with, especially as no DAUGHTERS of Adam and Eve are mentioned :o :o :o
Incest. Rape. Pedophilia. Murder. Dead bodies coming to life... Horror-movie monsters...
And people want their kids reading THIS book
(The Bible!) in SCHOOL?
Move over, Hollywood...

B-man

wrote on Feb 12^th, 2006 at 11:50pm:

Do I hear the "dueling banjos" someplace??? ***************** There was a time till adam and eve spoiled it  if they hadnt disobeyed god and bit the apple on the tree of life in the garden of eden we would still be living in paradise right now with no wars no pain  only love . deanna ***************** If there were only TWO people in the beginning (Adam and Eve)... Guess who their boys were "doing the nasty" with, especially as no DAUGHTERS of Adam and Eve are mentioned :o :o :o Incest. Rape. Pedophilia. Murder. Dead bodies coming to life... Horror-movie monsters... And people want their kids reading THIS book (The Bible!) in SCHOOL? Move over, Hollywood... B-man

It's a fairy tale, there's magic talking serpents, forbidden fruits, genes that allow for massive amounts of incestuous inbreeding..

Why try to find contradiction among such things?

..What I have a problem with, is two people do something wrong, acting only as they were created to, and then everyone has to pay for it, even though they weren't even born yet?

Seriously, people..  I know we're all suppose to be all.. "respectful" of each other's beliefs, but..

...c'mon...

For me it's crystal clear to NOT read the bible literally. There's so much more in it if you read it in a symbolic and psychologic way.
Spooky

Right on, Spooky.  

Chumley, Nje:
We have to remember that the Bible was written a long time ago by ordinary people.  Before the days of biology and quantum physics, men had to put these stories in words that were simple and easy to understand because their minds were unable to comprehend what they saw and heard.  That's why the stories seem so much like a "fairytale" at times.  While God was the author, men were his writing instrument.  And while the details may seem fuzzy, the main idea (or truth) shines through.

Right on, Spooky.  

Chumley, Nje:
We have to remember that the Bible was written a long time ago by ordinary people.  Before the days of biology and quantum physics, men had to put these stories in words that were simple and easy to understand because their minds were unable to comprehend what they saw and heard.  That's why the stories seem so much like a "fairytale" at times.  While God was the author, men were his writing instrument.  And while the details may seem fuzzy, the main idea (or truth) shines through.
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People have NEVER been so dumb, that they need
magical "fairy tales" to get a point across. (Look at the Greeks and Romans, or even the Vedas - much of their literature is pretty much to-the-point.)
I think that a REAL "God" would have done better than to "express his wishes" or "impart his lessons" through a bunch of impossible, silly, magical hooga-booga. Or if "he" wanted to be SYMBOLIC, I think there's better ways "he" could have got "his" word out to the "unwashed masses" - no matter HOW ignorant they might be.
The whole thing bears the unmistakable stamp of PRIESTCRAFT, not the authorship of any "God" - and the intellectual contempt those priests had for the "common folk" is evident in the Genesis stories (and the rest of the supernatural mumbo-jumbo in the Bible as well, like Balaam and his magical talking mule, or trumpets blowing down the walls of Jericho in John Ashcroft's favorite Bible book, Joshua.)

B-man

wrote on Feb 12^th, 2006 at 9:02pm:

Jambo we are all brothers and sisters in the eyes of god, god is our father in heaven we are all his children. DEANNA

Deanna, I heard two children talking in the lunch line yesterday:
Girl: I am your sister.
Boy: No you're not.
Girl: In the eyes of God, I am!
Boy: *confused look*
Girl: In the eyes of God, we are all brothers and sisters.

They must have been about 8 or 9..
I remember saying similar things as a child too..makes you wonder where that comes from, at least in my case because my parents were not religious and did not take us to church or even talk about "God"..

wrote on Feb 14^th, 2006 at 2:54am:

Right on, Spooky.   Chumley, Nje: We have to remember that the Bible was written a long time ago by ordinary people.  Before the days of biology and quantum physics, men had to put these stories in words that were simple and easy to understand because their minds were unable to comprehend what they saw and heard.  That's why the stories seem so much like a "fairytale" at times.  While God was the author, men were his writing instrument.  And while the details may seem fuzzy, the main idea (or truth) shines through.

The bilbe was NOT written by ordinary people it was written by priests and disciples whose ONLY interests were to CONTROL people and keep POWER.

The bible contains many horror tales such as rape, incest amongst many other things so how can you use it as a moral guide.

wrote on Feb 14^th, 2006 at 2:54am:

Right on, Spooky.   Chumley, Nje: We have to remember that the Bible was written a long time ago by ordinary people.  Before the days of biology and quantum physics, men had to put these stories in words that were simple and easy to understand because their minds were unable to comprehend what they saw and heard.  That's why the stories seem so much like a "fairytale" at times.  While God was the author, men were his writing instrument.  And while the details may seem fuzzy, the main idea (or truth) shines through.

It's stupid to use symbolism.  It's pointless to do it.
I've never heard a decent excuse for it as of yet..
If there's any such thing as a "divine" being, maybe they'd have half a clue as how to effectively express their messages without resorting to the hopeless abstractness of symbolism..

wrote on Feb 10^th, 2006 at 7:51pm:

There was a time till adam and eve spoiled it  if they hadnt disobeyed god and bit the apple on the tree of life in the garden of eden we would still be living in paradise right now with no wars no pain  only love . deanna

Lol, my dad says the same thing. :) ;)

Jambo wrote:
The bilbe was NOT written by ordinary people it was written by priests and disciples whose ONLY interests were to CONTROL people and keep POWER.

The bible contains many horror tales such as rape, incest amongst many other things so how can you use it as a moral guide.
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Jambo, priests and disciples possessed no special powers, and were definitely not divine beings.  They were ordinary people just like you and me.

Think, for a moment, about some of the dreams/visions you have had in your lifetime.  If you were to write them down immediately, would they make perfect sense to you...or to anyone else.  Probably not.  The same goes for the visions given to those responsible for writing the Bible.  These books are recorded accounts from the perspectives of ordinary people.  

God has chosen not to physically show Himself to us for reasons we cannot understand at this point in our physical existence.  He has a purpose behind this decision.  One day we will all know and we will all understand.  Whether it is now or later: "...every knee shall bow to me, and every tounge shall confess to God." Rom 14:11 :)