I beleive That some of us will live on this earth in a human body that never gets old,and never dies.The sermon on the mount says the meek will enherit the earth.We will still be spiritual,and also have a perfect body in every way.Now this is my Opinion.What do you guys think?George

 Well, i don't have any proof yet, and it certainly goes against mainstream science right now...

 But, i've encountered this idea in some fairly reputable metaphysical sources like Cayce, Monroe, Rosiland Mcknight's guides, the Yogic concept of the "Rainbow body"...

 They say its possible, but it seems to necessitate a very, very advanced spiritual livingness, overcoming very powerful, innate, and commonly held human belief systems, and a very deep and abiding attunement to Source/God/Oneness stuff.  It seems the personality (not the individuality) needs to 'die' first (get transformed)...

 So much so, i can't imagine that it happens all that much now, maybe 1 person in the world like in every 7 generations, or some ridiculously small ratio...

 Some of these sources indicate that this would be much more common in the far future, and some indicate it was much more common in the far, far, past.

 Who knows?  I guess its just one of those things that you probably will have to either experience, or not experience for yourself.

I don't know, George, maybe ask Anne Rice.  She loved to talk of immortals walking the earth.  

I know of no other creature in the physical world that is immortal, but long lifespans even very long lifespans make sense to me, as technology, medicine and spirituality continue to grow and expand.

The nature of our souls is to want to stay in the physical world, while we are here.  The need is absolute.  We will do anything to survive.  Yet, the more spiritually advanced we are, the more it seems that there are other vistas to see, and that in this physical reality we all have our time so to speak.  Nothing measurable lasts forever on earth; Buddhism is based around this knowledge.  On a quantum level, particles are coming into being and being destroyed; our very nature is not of solid building block atoms, but "wavicles," defined not be a sturdy basis but by "probabilities" of existing in one place more than another.

Thus, with the very nature of physical reality as being in flux, the idea of an immortal physical body seems out of place to me.  If we could "download," ourselves onto a neural net inside a robot, you could count me out.  Our consciousness is more than any technology could pick up; it wouldn't still be me.

Are there immortals amongst us?  I doubt it, but I'm not looking to join their group just yet.

Matthew

Even immortals would eventually step off the curb at the wrong time.  So unless they're superhuman and can survive being hit by a random truck, they wouldn't live more than a couple thousand years anyway.

Sometime in the future earth will become a paridise,for some of us.behold I make everything new.Love George

If our consciousness survives who would want to be immortal?

I think i would just trade in my 0 to 60 in 2 hours...75 year old body...for a 0 to 60 in 2 second....18 year old bone bag.

I doubt that's possible.

The physical body comes alive by the laws of Nature, lives for a time, then dies. It is the normal course of Nature.

Death itself is a process, not an event. The grass outside is alive right now, but slowly getting old. Old people's cells are dying day by day, than finally they lay down, their body starts to rot, and their heart stops.

If, on the other hand, you're talking about the spirit or astral body, I don't think it can die since when astral projecting we fall from 90 feet during dreams, hit the ground, and are never injured.

We could say we are all "immortal" in the sense that we truely never cease to exist.  I mean thats what being immortal is right?

wrote on Jan 20^th, 2006 at 7:58pm:

We could say we are all "immortal" in the sense that we truely never cease to exist.  I mean thats what being immortal is right?

 Too right mate... but 'imagnize' this....

Looking at the Field of Consciousness that Bruce talks about, and other metaphysical source have talked about...

 On one end of the spectrum, you have what we might call pure Consciousness, energy that is extremely, extremely expanded, very, very, very fast vibrating, and 'light' in nature....

 This end of the spectrum can be said to be almost purely positive charged (purely active and expansive in nature)....

 And say we could relate this to pure Light energy, and this energy birthed or created Soul/Mind, which is individual units of this pure Light stuff, all within this One field...

 Within these individual units, there is this pure positive charge of energy (the one that wants to expand), yet a knowledge of the original state of being of the One point of light before it 'moved' within itself.... at one point is was purely passive, unmoving, unchanging, and contractive...  Then it 'exploded' outward/inward and its Light continually 'spread' from the center (not necessarily literally)...

 So these units have within them the original memory of the negative state, call it a balancer, or dark womb of creation....

 But for whatever reason, some of these, actually a very large group of these individual units while expressing their Source natures, start to unbalance these once perfectly balanced polarities within themselves....

This then created, or more aptly seemingly manifested the 'opposite' 'end' of the Field of Consciousness--matter, physicality which is the negative, contractive, very dense and slow vibrating waves of energy (which take on the appearance of having 'particles')...really just condensed Light energy...  As Einstein showed in his famous formula, matter is really just concentrated pure energy...

 Roughly in the middle, is the 'mediating' force we could call Soul or Mind force...

 Now, these individual units having unbalanced themselves (for whatever reason), have an innate desire to seek that original balance so that they can know Source again.. Source is like an automatic magnet for these units, yet there is an self imposed 'opposing' force....

 To correct this balance, perhaps each unit, must rasise the physical, matter, more negative polarized energy to the state of pure Light again?  In doing this, it is fully restored to its original state, cause it has acheived that perfect balance with the projected negative--matter force, and the pure consciousness--positive force....

 Perhaps this is the meaning behind Yeshua's Resurrection?   And the process of raising the bodily vibrations to pure Light, or pure Consciousness is what created the image on the Shroud of Turin?

 Some Physicists have theorized that an immense, but very short lived, light--heat radiation is what singed the Shroud with the negative image...


 So maybe now Dr. J has attributes of both 'body' and pure Spirit?  

 Maybe that is our destiny?  But, maybe we have to become totatally filled with that balancing, cohesive creating energy that some call PUL first?  Maybe this is what corrects that imbalance we temporarily manifested?

 Also relate the above Trinity of matter--primary negative state of energy, mind/soul--potential balance of positive and negative charge, and spirit--primiarly positive charge to the 3 main Chakras in the body...

 The 1st Chakra, the base of the Spine would represent matter/negative charge, the Crown--pure positive charge, and the Heart--the seeking of balance between the two...

 Or the Aum, or AhhOhhMmmm vibration, A the Feminine princple of birth, positive out of pure negative...  Light out of darkness, and...

 O, or U representing Heart, the potential and necessary balance for the individual unit (who will always be 'individual' or self conscious to some degree)...

And Mmm the nuclear process of releasing form back into Spirit, or pure positve, ever expanding energy... or 'matter annihilator" vibration...

 This is why this particular Toning is so powerful...it literally activates and stimulates these 3 Powerhouse Centers, the balancing points of the 7, it mimics this creational process vibrationally....

 Or look at the word from the Hebrew term "atonement'...  Break it up... At-One-Ment...


 So yeah, i very much believe in 'physical' immortality too, biblically you could say it is the redemption of the fall, though it wasn't necessarily a bad thing, neither was it a 'good' thing...seems to be to have been a pretty 'neutral' thing, except for the fact that the individual units seem to suffer while they have cut themselves off from awarenss of Source, of Home, of the One....

 Suffering is not desirable in my book, but that might yet be a human belief system i will eventually trancend, yet why the activity of so many who are Source realized on behalf of us who choose to look the other way....  Maybe since we're all connected, our suffering does affect them on some level, and it is their natural inclination, desire, and very need to try to help us remember our original state of being?

 Anyways, just some food for thought....

Ta Nah Sen y'all

 

Spit said:
If our consciousness survives who would want to be immortal?
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I wouldn't mind being de-aged (to about 30 y/o in my case) and then staying that way indefinitely (BUT with the option of taking the bullet after I'd done and seen it all and had enough of C1 life, which would likely take me a few hundred years at least.)
Of course, TRUE physical immortality is a silly idea. Assuming you had a meat body (and I think most folks would prefer that) something would do you in sooner or later.
Now Spit, you've said you fear few things... same with me. But one thing I DO fear - greatly - is growing old... weak... and needing somebody to wipe my a$$ for me. (Hope guns are still legal in about 40-50 years, so I won't have to go through what my stroke-addled 79 y/o step-grandfather is currently going through in the nursing home!)
Now being 19, Spit... well, there MIGHT be anti-aging serums (or whatever) available in the next 30 years or so. You might have a real shot at AVOIDING the above scenario...
And if you could be de-aged to the age of your choice, would you not wish to enjoy C1 for a couple centuries or so? Think of how good a BOXER you might become, if you weren't "over the hill" at the age of 30 or so... I think you might go for that, Spit - considering that if the other side is (said by some, hopefully they're wrong) to be all "Love, Love, Love for Everybody even if you couldn't stand being around them on Earth" - I doubt you'll find too many sparring partners there. You might end up having to take up shuffleboard instead..!

B-man

 B-Man, there is a anti-aging serum, and its for free!

 When you enter deep delta state, your body secretes growth hormone from the Pituitary which becomes more active...

  Growth Hormone has been shown to slow down the aging process in the human body... (in a mouse it actually seems to speed up the process for some reason).

Frequent and long periods of exercise and a great, balanced diet also seems to increase HGH hormone levels...

 Combine that with extra, consistent deep delta  states like during very deep meditation (and the brief period during sleep), and if you can take most the stress out of your life/attitude, then you have a nice recipe for aging pretty darn well...

 But, it involved too much self discipline for most to actualize these higher HGH levels...

 In most people, the older you get, the lower and lower your HGH levels, and less and less active your Pituitary becomes...

 Does this have to happen?  Nah, but the western lifestyle just does not lend itself to super slow aging...

 Also, there have been studies which indicate the lower the caloric intake the less aging and free radical damage that takes place...  Every animal they've tested who was put on a calorie restricted diet, though with good nutrition, has lived much longer than the specie average...

 And like many things, you need to 'believe' in and focus on it (but with a certain amount of detachment)  for it to fully actualize in an overt and obvious way...

  Maybe they were just stroking my ego, but guidance and a couple sensitives have said that this super slow age thing is more than possible in this lifetime for me... We'll see, not all that important to me, though i believe its possible and interesting.. Just a matter of cleaning out the body more and more, reducing stress more and more, and that oh so subtle Oneness feeling and belief thing which seems to be important... Unified Field Theory in action in other words...  Maybe the most important factor in all of this...

Yet it is a physical, a mental, and a spiritual/energy process....   Can't stress that enough....

 Preacher Man out aight,
 Justin

Greetings,
I'm concerned for you, PhoenixRa, in your own quest for a diet that gives you a more finely tuned spiritual body. I agree we should do more along those lines, and I've been to 3 grocery stores looking at their dried dates, etc but none were sulpher free. Grocers told me that sulpher is routinely used during the drying process. (This is in southern US.)  What do you think of the grain/herb mix called falalfel?  It's reputed to be similiar to what a ''Noah's ark situation' would require.
bets

When you get to the afterlife, you can change your appearance to anything you want. ;-)

Love, Mairlyn ;-)

You do that now.  ;D
But yea, according to the blue print of this dimension.
The 'I', the identity changes according to this dimension of experience which blah we percieve linearly blah. You are not the same person you were five minutes ago, but you are! lol
5 minutes from now this will make sense. hah!
Unless you change in some way which will most likely happen.

Think of it this way. Before you were born is the afterlife.
This is you being anything you want. This is what you have chosen to be. And this is your chosen experience.
:)
but yea, its always in a state of becoming. Becoming what you are and what you choose to be,... not becoming futurely or becoming something in the past, but becoming what you are now.
Now is eternal, and within now all becomes. You see.
You focus your attention and become alive in this dimension. You focus your attention in other dimensions and become alive there also. And you possess limitless attentions. Your everywhere and here. Think of it that way. Your everything and yourself, which is everything, Think of it that way.
But you can think and think and think and feel and feel and feel and still not be aware, aware, aware of what your doing and being and choosing now,now, now.

Damla wrote:
it sounds evil to me. wouldnt only Dorain gray want a body that would never die? a youth forever? sounds creepy..  

besides it is boring and frustrating to me..how long more would i have to put up with those strange small feet and short weak body? i am almost a dwarf for gods sake!..and i always wanted to be a martial arts pro! why would i want such a body forever??  
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Well, maybe future genetic engineering could give you the body you always dreamed of, Damla. (That's one of the first things I'd have done, as a matter of fact.) THEN you could work on becoming the next Cynthia Rothrock, if that's what you wanted (and you'd have all the time you needed!)
Besides, martial arts (or any other combative skills) are probably completely taboo on the Other Side (assuming it's "Love, Love, Love" even for people you justifiably DESPISED in this world). Unless you go to a "hell" in which case the skills might come in handy (but would you be allowed to "train" in Hell? Or would you just be a torture toy?) you'll have to be a "good little girl, sugar and spice and everything nice." (Turn your stomach? I thought so.)
So, where's the creepy, evil, or boring? The idea of ageless C1 life sounds pretty darn COOL, when you consider all the implications. (Imagine a world where ALL the guys are "hunks" (I'm assuming you're straight here, Damla) and there's no ugly "dorks" or "geeks" (or fat guys, or horny old geezers) to clutter up the scenery for you at the bars on Saturday night..!)

B-man

wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2006 at 9:43am:

Greetings, I'm concerned for you, PhoenixRa, in your own quest for a diet that gives you a more finely tuned spiritual body. I agree we should do more along those lines, and I've been to 3 grocery stores looking at their dried dates, etc but none were sulpher free. Grocers told me that sulpher is routinely used during the drying process. (This is in southern US.)  What do you think of the grain/herb mix called falalfel?  It's reputed to be similiar to what a ''Noah's ark situation' would require. bets

Hi there Bets,

 I appreciate your concern for me, and i know what you mean by sulpher--sulphur dioxide, a nasty little preservative...  I stay away from all preservatives, though potassium sorbate seems to be the least harmless common type one...

 No need to worry about me, i've been studying holistic health and diet for years now, and have a pretty good handle on what faciliates health in a body...

 I shop almost completely at organic and natural food stores, and there it is easy to find sulphur free dates and figs, as well as many interesting organic grains like Amaranth, Quinoa, and Millet for example...

 I like to use Millet in the 'mummy food' recipe, cause it is much easier to digest, and more healthful overall than corn or wheat...

Falalfal...hmm is certainly tasty, but in my book is no 'perfect' type food...  

  I'm a bit sensitive to wheat (and it seems many are starting to develop intolerances to wheat, cow milk, peanuts, and other 'common' foods--must be a 'reason' eh?), and i remember correctly wheat as in couscous is in that meal?

 I try to stick only to the organic sprouted wheat products.  Seems to be handled differently by my body...

 Hope this helps, and thank you for your concern.

Peace,
Justin

wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2006 at 8:18am:

it sounds evil to me. wouldnt only Dorain gray want a body that would never die? a youth forever? sounds creepy..   besides it is boring and frustrating to me..how long more would i have to put up with those strange small feet and short weak body? i am almost a dwarf for gods sake!..and i always wanted to be a martial arts pro! why would i want such a body forever??   >:(  sure i will be asking about this when i get to the other side..whose idea was this exactly?! cant be mine. >:(

Hi there P.A.,

 I understand the above sentiment, and use to think that way myself...  But maybe you misunderstand the nature of that kind of 'immortality'?

 It seems like people who have become that God-realized, are actually Light Beings in the physical...meaning they are Light Beings, but can have physical attributes, or appear as 'physical' to others...

 Really they are completely beyond time and space, and can phase into any dimension at will, as well as show up at various locations at the same 'time'....

 Also, it seems like people who are that God-Realized also do not have much if any bodily consciousness themselves....  They don't pay any attention to it, nor does it seem to 'matter' to them--pun intended..

 Like He/She is Monroe's book, oh i gave up eating and sleeping years ago....

 I don't think such a person has a weakling, fragile body, etc...

 Maybe in a sense, the 'body' doesn't exist to them, except as a communication device for those still stuck in physical?

 But at the same time, i think for us souls who have been stuck, in a sense we need to 'redeem' the physical, and bring it back up to its original state...  We created it, and we must 'take it out' so to speak...

 That is the primary reason why i believe that Yeshua Ben Joseph, the Christ, resurrected the body...  Otherwise, what would be the point of the Resurrection?  He would have just done what other spiritual Teachers did before him, like the Buddha, teach for awhile, die, and help from the nonphysical dimensions.

 He accomplished what others couldn't in those cycles, because those cycles were so dense and slow vibrating...  Even with a very intune spiritual consciousness, the nature of the cycles made it quite hard for such an attainment...  In the future, the 'outer' will be much more conductive to such transformational processes i believe...

 And by 3500 A.D. like Monroe saw, many will be at or near the "Jesus level" in this regard...  Won't be too hard at that point, seems like the Earth itself will be more 'etheric' in nature, i.e. less dense, and faster vibrating overall.

 But man...just imagine the sheer amount of testing and consistent PUL necessary to accomplish this while at the end of the Age of Aries, and the beginning of Pisces?!  

 That is the reason why i believe some reputable sources like Cayce and Rosiland McKnight's guides claimed that Yeshua was the fastest vibratory Being to come into the Earth...

 The Ressurrection was a big clue to the process of full God realization...  Personally i do  believe that unless a Soul does this while in physical, they not are God realized to their full potential...  

 When they die, they may become a "Light being", but there seems to be a deeper awareness of Source when a person accomplishes this while in physical...  They become like an 'Elder'.  

 I think we incarnate until one of our personalities does accomplish this, to help bring in the necessary perfect polarity balance of positive to negative force....

 But then again, where does the whole No or All time concept come into play?   Mind boggling stuff there for sure...

 Do we have Freewill?  I very much believe so, yet more and more i am seeing that EVERYTHING has already been played out in the Total Mind of Source, and in our Spirit consciousness....

and we are just choosing various rivers of pre-existing expression to dive into...

 Yet, seemingly paradoxically we have the Freewill to choose to change these rivers of expression?  

 Its hard to reconcile...lol doesn't lend itself to the Left brain mode very well at all...

 At this level, it seems to be more about 'expressing' than learning, or just choosing...but the catch 22 is do we want to express and choose Source way, or not Source way....

 One thing i am very, very certain of, is that Source way leads to that ever subtle and elusive 'happiness' thing that all of us seem to be seeking...and the not Source way leads to suffering...

people will neer have any choice to live for years and years because it does not matter how old you are or how fit you are when spirit call you home thats it we ars not a body with a spirit we are a spirit with a body this is what mediums say at the spiritulist church we dont die we just pass over into a continuing existance  we came from the spirit world and we just go back again when its our time god bless juditha

thats right juditha love deanna