I've wondered: since birds, dogs, cats, tigers, lions, ect, communicate with each other, I wonder if they ever "talk" about spirit/God/afterlife matters?

Think about it. Dolphens are said to be the smartest (if not smarter) animals next to humans. I wonder if they ever wonder when they see an animal or fish die: "I bet his spirit is floating out of his body and back to Heaven."

I've wondered this for a while. I wonder if animals have thoughts about spirits or God. It would be very odd to find out that lions, tigers, dogs, ect, have spirit mediums amongst their own. In addition, animals can sense things that humans can't.

Your opinions?

Some of the reasons we've come to believe that animals have relationships with spirits:
>Our dog wakes from a dreaming sleep (where he was running, yipping, etc) and gazes inward as well as off into the horizon for several minutes. His expression isn't blank, it's deeply involved with something. He's unresponsive to our calls then, like he's in communion with something unseen--a higher spirit?
>When he was a puppy Barnabey got stuck when he tried to jump a fence. He seemed unhurt but would not rejoin us in the house that night. Later I heard the strangest song--a human-like yodelling-wail that went over many notes and several minutes. I watched him from a window--he didn't move for quite some time afterwards. It seemed like an appeal, not a complaint, to higher powers for help. He got treated the next day by a vet and he's never repeated the song and now communicates by squeaking a toy.
>When a previous dog of ours was not well, my husband and I both dreamt the same night of a standing figure, similar to Egyptian dog symbols, that stood next to our house and watched our dog and us awhile. Our dog recovered and we've not dreamed the same dreams since.
>Dolphins and elephants help people out of predicaments like tsunamis or drowning. What Higher Power than self-interest are they responding to? I don't believe the explanation that they saw their food suppliers threatened so it was self-interest; they know tourists aren't there to feed them.
>We've had a couple of after-death experiences (theirs) with our dogs as well.
We both grew up in homes where dogs were outside, almost like livestock, so our view that animals have spirits comes from our own experience with the nature of them.
bets

Hi Bets,

Amazing story there about your dogs, Ive always been very interested in this subject area as I myself have experienced some paranormal stuff with dogs.

When I was younger my auntie had a dog called Max who is now in spirit who I adored and was inseperable from.  One evening when all of our family was together for my late nan's 80th birthday, I noticed that Max was jumping up in thin air as if it was greeting a person and was "playing" with this person, being only 7 years old I panicked and told my mum who was intrigued by it.  

The possibilities with this one are endless as I have a handful of relatives who are in spirit who could of payed my nan a special visit for her birthday!  :)

Hurray, Max!
Dogs don't lie, eh Jambo? Max could teach some skeptics a thing or two about spirits!
Here's another one (to keep this going til the US wakes up this morning):
Korsikan was our 3legged dog who lived in an indoor/outdoor kennel, not fancy, just accessible to both so he could keep his own schedule. One winter morning we found him dead outside with one broken leg, due to slipping on ice that had built up silently dring the night. He looked like he was sleeping.  I had to go to work anyway so my husband said he'd bury Korsikan later that day when he (husband) felt better. At my work we all took coffee break at same time, 10 am. As I reached for mine, my arm was hit and I dropped it, while sensing black and white wet fur, complete with that wet dog smell, dash into the room, jubilantly race in a circle, and then dive out the far window. My immediate thought was "I wonder if Korsikan knows that window is 2 stories above ground!" Then I felt silly because for Korsikan-in-spirit, that wouldn't matter.
Not for an instant did I doubt it was him, altho nothing like that had ever happened before with a pet. When I checked with my husband later about when he'd buried the body, he said he started digging at 9:30 but because the ground was frozen it took until 10 to even begin covering him up. I don't think the dog knew he was dead until the dirt started covering him and then he came and showed me he could run. His spirit was jubilant!

I had a dream this past night where I saw flock of birds land in a tree.they were cherping and I seemed to know what they were saying.They said we want water.so I got some pots,filled them with water,and they all came and drank.Love George

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I've wondered: since birds, dogs, cats, tigers, lions, ect, communicate with each other, I wonder if they ever "talk" about spirit/God/afterlife matters?

Animals don't talk and think the way humans do but are very close to God/nature. Dogs 'think' in pictures.
Other animals may too, I'm not sure.

Love, Mairlyn ;-)

Its amazing what dogs can do.

Support dogs can be trained for people with epilepsy. These dogs can detect that the owner will have a epileptic fit 20-45 mins before they have one!

How do they do this? Wouldnt people want to know how?

It seems not. The website that trains them says its unclear how they do it and then says its probably down to subtle differences in the persons behaviour or maybe scent ... wha? 45 mins before they have a fit?

They cant say maybe telepathy because if people see that then the dogs become a joke and the Skeptic brigade will be banging down their door. So in order for them to make some money they just put down a few more accepted explanations even though they havent be tested.

These dogs are potentially saving peoples lives yet how they do it cannot be studied due to the religion of modern science.

However, look up Rupert Sheldrake and read some of the experiments he's done on dogs that know when their owner is coming home, animals that detect earthquakes up to a day before they occur, and a parrot that has proven that it can read its owners mind.

Now the possibilites open up.

If animals can detect things we cannot see and are not constrained to physical time what else is not constrained to time?

Huh?, what do you mean animals arent constrained to physical time?

Ive read many posts here and very little of them contain any kind of logic or reasoning. But mostly baseless assertions.

But the notion of animals not being constrained to physical time is ridiculous, ...I have to draw a line somewhere or else i feel like im retrograding my intelligence, or approaching a de-evolution conceptually.
Perhaps they have a diffrent perception of time, in that they dont care thats its 3 o clock or midnight or what have you because those are human social and cultural inventions.  
But just as we operate in a time framework, so is anything that is physical also operating within a physical time framework. Animals included.   ::)

wrote on Jan 18^th, 2006 at 4:37pm:

Huh?, what do you mean animals arent constrained to physical time? Ive read many posts here and very little of them contain any kind of logic or reasoning. But mostly baseless assertions. But the notion of animals not being constrained to physical time is ridiculous, ...I have to draw a line somewhere or else i feel like im retrograding my intelligence, or approaching a de-evolution conceptually. Perhaps they have a diffrent perception of time, in that they dont care thats its 3 o clock or midnight or what have you because those are human social and cultural inventions.   But just as we operate in a time framework, so is anything that is physical also operating within a physical time framework. Animals included.   ::)

I mean that their perceptions would appear not to be constrained to physical time. Im not talking about Dr who style time travelling Canines
;D

Have you heard of the blue tits and the milk bottle tops?

In England 1921, it was first reported that a Blue Tit (this is a bird, people; stop that) had torn off the cover of a milk bottle on someone’s front step to drink the cream at the top. Other local birds began adopting that habit and soon it was a point of interest for birders to report and document. The Blue Tit habit was nationwide by 1947. Although these birds only travel as far as 15 miles, the habit was also taken up by Blue Tits in Scandinavia and Holland. In Holland, due to the German occupation, milk bottles were not delivered to houses for eight years. Despite the fact that Blue Tits only live for three years, when milk was again delivered to homes in 1948, within a matter of months Blue Tits throughout Holland were tearing caps off the milk bottles

But blue tits only live for around 3 years, so how did they remember the trick so quickly?

Dog that know when there owner is another one. If the owner follows a routine work pattern then mystery solved obviously. What about people who dont have a coming home pattern?

Well take a look at this:-

http://www.sheldrake.org/papers/Animals/dogvideo_abs.html

That is what i mean.

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I mean that their perceptions would appear not to be constrained to physical time. Im not talking about Dr who style time travelling Canines

Yea...
You said that and backpeddled.  You are saying animals arent constrained to physical time.... Though, physical time is an element of physical perception. A dimension of perception.
I dont get how their(animals) perceptions would appear not to be constrained to physical time. When physical time is the very thing in which is part of your own perception when perceiving them(animals).

Unless, i suppose, you mean that animals then appear to not be perceiving us and reality in a timeframe, but their perception is in a state of timelessness?...?
is that what you mean?  :-/
lol, totally confusing.

Ok, so you think that if a dog can sense its owners arrival, that event is indicative of a timelessness or appears to hold no element of physical time in how the animal perceives.??

wrote on Jan 19^th, 2006 at 8:01pm:

Yea... You said that and backpeddled.  You are saying animals arent constrained to physical time.... Though, physical time is an element of physical perception. A dimension of perception. I dont get how their(animals) perceptions would appear not to be constrained to physical time. When physical time is the very thing in which is part of your own perception when perceiving them(animals). Unless, i suppose, you mean that animals then appear to not be perceiving us and reality in a timeframe, but their perception is in a state of timelessness?...? is that what you mean?  :-/ lol, totally confusing. Ok, so you think that if a dog can sense its owners arrival, that event is indicative of a timelessness or appears to hold no element of physical time in how the animal perceives.??

No back peddling, I just worded what I meant rubbish the first time.

Ok this is just me thinking and typing at the same time.

In my view the current understanding of our  human physical world through a human is 3d + 1t. I believe that animals also share elements of this reality but are not so restricted by it.  We are animals so we are not so restricted by it either. Yet because we have had the "benefit" of an education we naturally percieve what we are taught to believe. By this I mean we focus our view into a perception that suits both our social and physical environment.  We are influenced by other factors such as radiation, gravity, magnetism yet cannot perceive them using our own senses.  

Light is not constrained by time. Does this mean that light ignores time? Does this mean that time is a constraint or a perception?

Now the dog/owner thing could be based on time or could be based on the owners thoughts. The experiments Sheldrake has done implies more of a link or bond between the dog and owner which could rule out the dogs perceiving the event in advance. Sheldrake talks of morphic fields, fields that are based on habit and repeated events(Not really doing the theory justice there but that is the basics). So the blue tits share a unified conscious field where by they tap into a shared collection of experiences. Is this conscious restricted to physical time?

The other notable experiment is the rats in the maze. Rats that have had no physical contact with other rats that have done a maze do notably better in that same maze after.

So looping back to my point about animals not being constrained to physical time I mean that it doesn’t constrain itself to a time waiting pattern as it doesn’t know when the owner is coming home.

So it either has a mechanism to perceive the event in advance or draws on the intention of the owner to come home. If it does either, it is doing something that we do not accept because we confine our selves to only what we know at present about our physical reality. We can try to explain it using what we know about our reality now but nothing can explain it.

These ideas seem crazy as a whole sometimes and its easy to dismiss them. Yet the fact remains that dogs will still know when there owner is coming home and will still detect epileptic seizures up to 45 minutes before they occur whether you dismiss these ideas or not.

hi ryanparis dogs and cats know when there are spirits around my sister had a little black dog she went out for a while came back and found her dog barking and growling at the wall he was going mad but there wasnt anything there  deanna

Hi deanna,
If the dog was barking in an upset way, would that indicate an unfriendly spirit or just an intruder of any kind?
Getting off topic--Do members of a Spiritualist Church have more opportunity to meet spirits because spirits hang around there and members' homes. Since they get more attention there so the spirits don't get so bored ?  When they contact you, are they just visiting briefly and then they return to a spirit plane on their own?
thanks , bets

When my wife channels our friend Lodi our dogs show notice even before she speaks.
Richard

wrote on Jan 20^th, 2006 at 10:08am:

Getting off topic--Do members of a Spiritualist Church have more opportunity to meet spirits because spirits hang around there and members' homes. Since they get more attention there so the spirits don't get so bored ?  When they contact you, are they just visiting briefly and then they return to a spirit plane on their own? thanks , bets

Bets, a spiritualist church is not a spirit drop-in centre!!!

Often spirits don't even turn up at a clairaudience meeting, this is what gives mr skeptic a chance to slag and trash their peaceful way.

But I have seen it happen, and believe me, it was 100% geniune

Jambo, I just don't want them getting lonely.
Back on topic, the news this week included an article about lions helping a girl and a friendship between a snake and some rodent that usually eats snakes or vice versa.
So are kindness and empathy between species, particularly between predators and prey, examples of spirit/soul, or can they be explained away by this mr. skeptic-person?

Probably the scientist skeptic will say it is a anomalie or freak occurance, but there are plenty of instances of that type of events happening, I mean look at that amazing story of the elephants who risked their own lives to save those poor children in the Asian Tsunami, i highly doubt they were doing it for their own ends as all of their own food would have been swept away by the water.  How can every animal's behaviour on the planet earth be viewed by researchers?

wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2006 at 6:55am:

i think all living is in contact with the spirit world but their "knowing" could differ from each other and we humans should seriously doubt that we  as the wisest specie is the only breed to get the best knowing. for example, i personally suspect from trees a lot.  they may have a higher knowing of the spirit world than we humans do.

Absolutely, I mean its been proven that dogs, cats and other animals have a sixth sense of some kind.    You would not believe the sheer drivel that scientists/skeptics come up with to explain the phenomenona

wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2006 at 4:41pm:

Absolutely, I mean its been proven that dogs, cats and other animals have a sixth sense of some kind.    You would not believe the sheer drivel that scientists/skeptics come up with to explain the phenomenona

It's a fact of life that animals, birds, sharks, ect, have more senses than humans do. Sharks for instance have electroception, allowing them to detect electric fields. This is a sense humans do not have.

There are many things in universe humans don't understand. Astral travel happens when dreaming, people see lucid ghosts, ect, but the question is: is it apart of the laws of nature? Is it supernatural? Is it apart of the laws of Nature we don't understand yet?

The laws of Nature says that there is order in the universe. Blue birds mate with blue birds, tigers mate with tigers, ect, and they all expand their own kind. Ants march on the ground everyday in a straight-line. Almost like they are programmed by Nature to do so. The laws of Nature govern the physical world and are in order.

Now, supernatural things are beyond our current understanding of the universe. Astral travel supports HIGHLY that we are multidimensional beings, and that there are probably different laws in the astral plane. This complicates scientists even more, because they assume everything has a physical explanation, whereas astral travel is supporting spirits and astral beings.

I hope you understand. I too LOVE the study of the laws of Natue. It's one of my favorite subjects. I love going outside into the wilderness and watching Nature on TV. I just don't know if astral travel, astral bodies, spirits, the spirit world, ect, is apart of Nature (the physical world) are just in other spirit dimensions.

This should show you how fascinating the world actually is. There's so much stuff we don't understand yet.

Exactly

I think there is a few famous lines from Hamlet along those lines

"To be or not to be ...."  yadayadayaaa