This is a goodbye speech. sorry if it’s so long..but I’ve turned into a writer in the last few years, so what do you expect? writers have a lot of words; sometimes empty, sometimes full of meaning.
Like I said before, thanks Bruce, you gave me a place to blossom. I’ll never forget you and Rosalie for concieving of an internet space where retrievers could compare notes and get better at it. And where the broken hearted could come and ask that single most important question “will I ever see my beloved again?” Does life continue?
It’s these I wanted to comfort because I have my knowing about that. I’ve known since I was 18. It’s all in the book. Bruce and his friends know too. Why do you think Bruce would put up a board unless he wanted you all to know this too?
How unselfish is that? To give humanity a place to dance and brawl and even sometimes touch each other in joy of having found like minds.
I’m calm and happy and sad all at the same time, but I need to get something off my chest. I guess I had the wrong idea here. I thought that this board was to talk about Bruce’s books and about retreiving and paranormal experiences that turn into normal experiences and about being respectful to each other. I hardly ever hear someone say wow, Bruce, you wrote some fine books and what about this point or that point, or; this happened to me and I wanted to share, to see if it happened to another, and btw, it’s great to find you guys. I don’t hear much of that lately. I don’t hear spirit talking anymore to me here.
except to say all good things end. I did say to spirit a lot, not my will, but yours, tell me where you want my feet to go, tell me what you want my lips to say and spirit said go to Afterlife Knowledge Conversation back in 2001.
was happy as a pig in mud. Now it’s ending.

I just want to remind all the testosterone driven energy here whose house you’ve slipped into as you prepare to dual wits with one another. this aint no church. This is a basin of humanity and pigs fly here; or at least they think they can. At the same time that we got a town here with everything, keep in mind to study books of all sorts, don’t just express a long list of questions a mile long and expect to get your enlightenment in this place all at once..if ever. You do your own soul work. Keep in mind somebody has allowed you a place to speak your mind a bit too freely, and keep in mind it’s not your due that another read you; it’s an honor if they read you at all. If they take the time to respond to you, thats an honor too. So try to be kind to each other is all I’m saying. Haven’t seen much human kindness overflowing here as I said.
There’s some strong lights that are here; they are balanced polarity. I don’t need to point them out. They know who they are. I trust these balanced ones to be gentle and give hope to the ones who come here wishing to believe. It was these hopeful ones who asked after their departed ones who always made my day, if they took my word on the subject seriously and sometimes they did, so we uplifted each other; theres no other reason to live my p.o.v. than to uplift one another or to make a friend.

I’m becoming balanced more each day, so I assume its that way for all. but mostly I was born the passive polarity: I’m the other half of the unit who cleans house and prepares a meal in the kitchen; I raise your kids and have to go to you for money if I need it or get out in the world and make my own money AND raise the kids. If u get angry and can’t find the dog to kick, u can take it out on me because my energy generally is not aggressive. Keep in mind spirit has donned these polarity roles...it’s not permanent. if you’ve been abusive, I’ve agreed to be abused..but once we get on the other side, you’ll feel the same feelings you’ve caused another to feel; so why not start getting in balance now, not wait for death to tally up the score sheet to see who owes who what?

It’s not going to be a man’s world in the future guys, so get used to it. It’s going to be a man AND a woman’s world in perfect balance and synchronicity. All I’m saying it’s ok for men to express their softer side, their feelings while being whatever, manly...cough..balance in all things..moderation of lip-flapping.

I say all this because some of the guys here are flat out insensitive to feelings in their hunger for knowledge; they think the intellect rules supreme. They may have been taught to stuff their feelings by society which thinks such is not manly to express. they bluster and preen, forgetting it is the polarity which causes them to preem in the first place. so don’t be thinking your witty intellectual exchanges here come from having a balanced perspective.Maybe something like a miracle can happen on this board and in the world if we just keep uniting in our common purposes to give each other a little space and not destroy someone elses thoughts and/or expression of a feeling.

this is mostly off topic, yet my complaint is we often get off topic; sometimes it’s good to get off topic, other times, it’s rude to get off the topic that someone started and so far off that you wind up talking about yourself personally and forget to tie it all together, what was the original thread? then the original poster has a feeling. wow, consider that! a feeling! who’d a thunk? Give the original poster a break. They came there with a question to explore, or maybe they just want someone to recognize that they are alive and sharing your space, or a story they have. for pete’s sake, let them have their own thread unmolested by drivel, slander, whatever else. You got something to say, make your own thread in that case. it’s up to you to glance up to the topic and ask yourself am I giving what was asked for to life? or am I getting off track with my own tunnel vision? am I board hogging or am I reading others? Is there someone here today that needs me? Can I serve someone? or does one here have a message for me?

I’m going to post this, but not sure I’ll be back to read any response although I wish to say how much I LOVE (oh, no, I’m expressing a sappy feeling, somebody stop me!) I LOVE LOVE LOVE these people more than I love the others so I’m clearly unbalanced still: Doc, Dave, Spooky, Sasuke, (sorry, it’s hard for me to remember your spelling) George, Jean, Mairlyn, Kyo, can’t think of offhand all the many who have come and gone and may still be lurking whom have touched my spirit in some way, so sorry if I left out your name. I’m sure I’ll remember sometime all of these; I’ve been here so long, it’s hard to remember. One I will remember clearly is Bruce, and so beseech you all to remember the founder here respectfully, whatever else your intentions are for being here.

it’s been real.
also, this just my experience, I'm sure everybody has a different experience and that's the way it's supposed to be. see ya all on the other side someday. alysia

I completely agree with you, Alysia.  Your post was full of emotion, and I know exactly what you mean.  

I will always be thankful to you for helping to point me in the right direction (regarding other forums), and I will continue to read you other places.   ;D

So this isn't a "goodbye" for me.  Just a note to say that I appreciated your post.

While im sorry to see you leave, you could really do with some grit my friend, your way to easily upset.

Someone slaps you, you slap them back. you dont go off and cry for a week.

if you believe something without doubt, you would fight till the last to prove your point, and never give up.

at linns forum, all you get is people posting happy chappy posts, which question nothing and all you do is just pat each other on the back. You learn nothing that way.

From strife, comes truth.
Dont take any crap from no one.
Take some pride in yourself.

Best advice i can give you.

Hey Alicia,

It just so happens that I have a couple of dudes who are friends of mine on this board who have recently mentioned some goings on around here. It piqued my curiosity enough to visit after quite a long sabbatical. As much as I LOVE my aforementioned dude friends, and I DO love them very much, I have to reply now to you as well after reading this post, because I LOVE you too!!! I am sorry for whatever has occurred.

I had a vision one time in the restroom of a friend's sports bar of all places. I saw all physical bodies as dark shadows, but with magnificant and glorious BEINGS beside them. It lasted a matter of seconds, but enough to make me tremble. It is a pity that we don't realize WHO we really are in this worldly experience, and that we don't honor each other as such. Someday. I respect your kind and loving heart! I wish you well! To my dude friends, I respect your kind and loving hearts as well! I LOVE you all!!!

Its a shame if you go. I dont post on here much but do enjoy reading your posts ;D.

Some people struggle to handle things when the unexpected happens. For me, recently I got 2 validations but was struggling to block my doubts on whether they were passed memories and was looking for guidance in this area :-/

I am guilty of asking a lot of questions recently but am also beginning to develop things on my own. I have started this week by using Bob Monroe's gateway hemi-sync. I also find a certain truth in Bruce's articles and have now gotten he's 2nd book.

I do not really come here for people like spitfire or chumley, not because of their skeptical views but mainly because I feel this board is about learning and balance and people who reply in a balanced and understanding manner earn my respect much more.

wrote on Jan 11^th, 2006 at 4:29pm:

I do not really come here for people like spitfire or chumley, not because of their skeptical views but mainly because I feel this board is about learning and balance and people who reply in a balanced and understanding manner earn my respect much more.

As a sign of respect, i wont give you an ear bashing but dont use my name unless you'd like one.

Thank you.

Alysia,

I don't like goodbyes, and will seek you and others out elsewhere too.  You have had a profoundly positive effect here, with meaningful posts and wisdom.  I do understand, very well and will miss you here, but not everywhere.


Love,

Matthew

Hi Alysia-

" I’m calm and happy and sad all at the same time, but I need to get something off my chest. I guess I had the wrong idea here. I thought that this board was to talk about Bruce’s books and about retreiving and paranormal experiences that turn into normal experiences and about being respectful to each other. I hardly ever hear someone say wow, Bruce, you wrote some fine books and what about this point or that point, or; this happened to me and I wanted to share, to see if it happened to another, and btw, it’s great to find you guys. I don’t hear much of that lately. I don’t hear spirit talking anymore to me here.
except to say all good things end. I did say to spirit a lot, not my will, but yours, tell me where you want my feet to go, tell me what you want my lips to say and spirit said go to Afterlife Knowledge Conversation back in 2001.
was happy as a pig in mud. Now it’s ending. "

I dunno - what I hear is a lot of echoes down the canyons of empty minds (like my own) in which the initial words get garbled, but the tone of the statements lingers on, causes discussions, causes restatements in different tongues, causes skeptics to skepticize, causes dogmatists to bark etc. To these echoes you have added a musical sound of love-  and I may have missed  something, but I get the impression that that's been Bruce's message all along - that and the need to sell some books - so that we won't just ask questions about what page was that idea nd how to understand it, but actually to practice the books in the sense in which they were written. In fact, in that specific sense, you're doing it, like it or nay, and quite well too!  

Love
dave

Well, Mattb1000... that's the way the cookie
crumbles, I guess. I'm a skeptic and won't change
that to please people, I'm not a people
pleaser. (Why bust my tail trying to be
somebody I'm not?)
To Alysia... thanks for trying to help with Pat
back in September. Good luck to you.

B-man

Alysia you are my favourite poster (next to Gordon Phinn) and I will see you at Linns (as well as elsewhere including 'home' as Bob M says)

I mean geez I was so overjoyed when I spotted Bruce's site years ago to find help because I felt like a wierdo having my unexplained experiences.
Imagine coming out publicly about all this stuff.
Not me I am too chicken buk! buk!bok! bok!

I look at Bruce and Rosalind etc. as being brave and thick skinned because you have to put up with a lot of abuse (sometimes) or wierd looks.

I still check into this site every now and then (once a week) and glean over the constructive discussions but yes this site has changed and seems to have a little more ego jousting going on than it did before.

Several years ago people tried to help each other more and now it seems they try to tear each other down.

Gordon said something perfect years ago about (I'm paraphrasing here)how some people quest for knowledge so hard that every piece of knowledge becomes like another log in a log jam of the mind and that love seems  like some cosmic sappy joke.

I wish I had the exact quote but I left it in Canada in my journal and I am on vacation in Oaxaca State Mexico right now typing this out in an internet cafe.

Anyhoo I think this site will change again and again and again so I will keep swinging by.

See ya'll

Grant

thanks you all for your replies. I see there is hope after all. take care, alysia

Hi Alysia, I too know I can find you over at Linn's!  I will miss reading you here because I know you have a lot to offer, and you may not realize it, but people learn from you here even if they don't tell you that.  

But I do have to say it is a shame when "all the old great posters from the past who used to really love this site" keep on leaving it.  Well, of course it is going to change then.  If everyone who made this site what it once was decides to leave, then there's no way it can stay the same.  

I've only been on this board for a year so I don't have years and years to compare how it used to be and how it is now.   But people come and go, that's just natural.  

I personally am still on a mission to learn the art of retrieval, as well as lots of other paranormal/spiritual stuff, and I have a lot of people, especially Bruce, to thank for teaching me what I have learned so far.  So I know I'm not done here yet.  As for others here like me, I hope you stay as well so that we can keep on learning from each other.  

Love, Vicky

Thanks for all your encouraging, hopeful and lovely posts and your care for other people, especially the newbies. Well, and I guess this is not the last time I hear from you. There are other places and occasions to have a nice meeting, right?
Bye, Spooky

P.S. And yes, your reminder that's not only a man's world, we guys I think need it from time to time. When I had my first girlfriend, suddenly I awoke somehow, and saw what a different approach women can have to the world and to keep this in mind to get balanced is a good thing.

 Hi Alysia,

 Don't know where to begin...  I'm just gonna speak from the heart here...

 I haven't been to nice lately, especially to you.  There is no excuse for that, and i will balance my karma some way or another...

There's no excuse for it, but i just want you to know that despite my judgmentalness lately, i have always liked and respected you on many levels.

 I'm asking you to have compassion for me, despite the hurtful things that have happened on both sides.

 My life has been crazy, its been one wave of testing and challenge after another, and another, and i've been feeling hurt a lot lately, and sometimes even angry, and i want you to know that some of the negative things i've said have come out of that, and deep down thats not what i really feel...

 I remember when i first found this site, way back when.  I couldn't post because the way Bruce had things set up, you needed a IP email addy, and i didn't have I-net of my own...  But for a year i came here and read, and read, and read fascinated, and in love...

 One of the people on here, i really resonated with, and loved to read their posts with the laughter, and the deep talking about PUL, and i really thought "Wow, what a really Kool and interesting person!"

 That was you, and then i finally got to join, and for almost a year we talked here and there of love, of life, of spirituality...  You are my friend, and i haven't been much of a friend latley, and i realize that... my own pain and ego has blinded me, and my center has been swaying back and forth...

 I just want to thank you for being my friend, and being YOU, cause you're a beautiful person...  And so what that we see things differently sometimes?   In the end, we're all balancers for each other, and there is no definite right and wrongs between old friends who have known each other for a very, very, very long time.

 I've been doing  a lot of soul searching lately, and when i think of some of the things i've said to you especially, it hurts to know that i hurt you with callus remarks which i thought would 'teach' you about something...  You don't need that from me, life is a good enough teacher as it is, and i'm not on the level to be doing that in a completely helpful manner...

 So shine on, and remember how we use to get along, talk, and share...  There has been a lot more positivity between us than negativity... a lot more and for a lot longer, and doesn't that count for something?

With Love and deep Appreciation,
Justin

beautiful soul searching post Justin. I think I just started respecting you again. I know you were hurt bad lately. I'm sorry what came down on you. I couldn't do nothing about it but hope you would come out on top. looks like you are ok now. ;) once u said u put me on a pedestal..now I think u know I'm human, not an angel at all. I came here to be a human and loving it and maybe thats what you are doing too. dont u worry about a thing, this board will continue to draw light from the spirit world and some of us will get our answers here and some won't, but for sure change is the only constant in life and I see a wonderful future for humanity even if others don't. and your pick, pick, pick on me only made me own my truth as you must have know I would get strong that way, or at least your higher self knew, put it that way.

truth is all you wonderful driven people and not driven people...I have more books on the stove. it takes all my concentration just to come up with a sentence that feels right. so back to the drawing board and its because of you out there, all of you, that I got something to write about...so yeaahaaaa!!!!!

This little flying piggy just wuvs you.

Be here now! Or later. Will miss.

love, blink

Alysia, we just have to face the fact that this forum is not the loving forum that it used to be. Yes, there are some very loving people here but there are also some very argumentative people here.  As Spitfire said:


Quote:

at linns forum, all you get is people posting happy chappy posts, which question nothing and all you do is just pat each other on the back. You learn nothing that way.

He has also said that revenge is the way. To me, this is unthinkable.

I don't see Linn's forum that way at all and I know you don't either. It is very, very loving and we have created a living, loving energy there. We do question, but we don't confront posters with nasty put downs and we don't pick people apart. We don't have the energy vampires at Linn's that are here who drain the energy right out of us.

I just want you to know that I support whatever you do, whether you stay or go. I love you sis. ;-)

Namaste,
Mairlyn  ;D

I will miss you.

Love,
Rob

wrote on Jan 13^th, 2006 at 8:28pm:

Alysia, we just have to face the fact that this forum is not the loving forum that it used to be. Yes, there are some very loving people here but there are also some very argumentative people here.  As Spitfire said: He has also said that revenge is the way. To me, this is unthinkable. I don't see Linn's forum that way at all and I know you don't either. It is very, very loving and we have created a living, loving energy there. We do question, but we don't confront posters with nasty put downs and we don't pick people apart. We don't have the energy vampires at Linn's that are here who drain the energy right out of us. I just want you to know that I support whatever you do, whether you stay or go. I love you sis. ;-) Namaste, Mairlyn  ;D

Revenge may be unthinkable to you now. But what if someone murdered your daughter, you just gonna say they had to learn a lesson?.. I dont think you would, i think you would want to kill him or put him in jail, all of which is revenge.

Linns forum...is all love love love.... People who use love every sentence, seem very sensitive people, who cant take any form of confrontation.

The reason there aint no nasty put downs, is because theres no confrontation, everything is just accepted as fact. it's like "i saw a green pig flying past my front room window" and then follows

O did you, how wonderful!
love love love

Energy vampires? i like that. energy vampires to me, are people who find answers to problems, they dont sit ideally doing nothing accepting peoples word about extremely fantasized events.

It's the people who are not willing to prove there point/experience who should, show some "love". Which they claim to idealise.

Live by your principles, but dont hold them in stone, until you have experienced them being pushed to the max.

Best advice i can give you.

I can't remember where the original statement Spit made about revenge is....where is it?

Spitfire,

With an "eye for an eye" philosophy, the whole world goes blind.  If you truly believe that love is the answer, or something to be aspired to, then revenge is gone from your thinking.  

Justice is different.  A loving person would not want another to suffer just for the reason to suffer, no matter if he/she were a stone cold killer.  A loving person may, conceivably want justice through law, however.  This does not have to be the same thing as revenge.  You will occasionally here families of murder victims say that they don't want the murderer killed or that they pray for their souls.  It sounds unbelievable to me, but if genuine, it underlines my ideas about love.

I'm not sure what I would do personally.  If I tore a killer limb from limb, the temporary sense of revenge would likely make me then throw up, and be in despair.  But these are my thoughts.

Matthew

wrote on Jan 14^th, 2006 at 7:21am:

I can't remember where the original statement Spit made about revenge is....where is it?

Think she was refering to one of my banners, which said "revenge is a dish best served cold" :)

But i believe in revenge 100%. It's karma just equalising itself. An Eye for an Eye etc.

When you have dished out your own revenge, you feel alot better i can tell you from personal experience.

Revenge is also a great motivator.

Justice is just another form of revenge and is practiced by every society in the world.

The only problem with revenge is, it leads to more revenge, and it becomes a cycle.

So if you are gonna get revenge make sure you cripple the person/organisation, in 1 blow, otherwise you will be perminently seeking more revenge.

One big probley these days... is people think they can hide behind the power of society, therefore they are arrogant and inconsiderate of others, once you teach them that they aint safe, they will see you in a whole new light, and it makes for a much nicer relationship :).

wrote on Jan 14^th, 2006 at 7:46am:

Spitfire, With an "eye for an eye" philosophy, the whole world goes blind.  If you truly believe that love is the answer, or something to be aspired to, then revenge is gone from your thinking.   Justice is different.  A loving person would not want another to suffer just for the reason to suffer, no matter if he/she were a stone cold killer.  A loving person may, conceivably want justice through law, however.  This does not have to be the same thing as revenge.  You will occasionally here families of murder victims say that they don't want the murderer killed or that they pray for their souls.  It sounds unbelievable to me, but if genuine, it underlines my ideas about love. I'm not sure what I would do personally.  If I tore a killer limb from limb, the temporary sense of revenge would likely make me then throw up, and be in despair.  But these are my thoughts. Matthew

Aye matt,

Justice is just another form of revenge though, it's just tempered by society, and people who say they dont want someone murdered is because they want them to suffer for years in jail :).

an Eye for an eye, leads to fear. fear = restraint.

the world has nukes pointed at each other, it has stopped huge wars through fear. the fear of retaliation and mutual destruction.

If some mindless thug, killed your kid and then bragged about it in front of a tv crew, i can honestly say i think you would wish for revenge.

I'm sure that revenge should not be in the Vaya con Dios thread, but likely the whole thread should be moved to off topic posts anyway.

Revenge truly doesn't solve anything.  The temporary feeling of triumph will be followed by a greater imbalance inside for a lot longer.

Love, kindness, peace, respect are concepts that uplift our souls.  Revenge, hatred, prejudice, intolerance bring us down - if not in conscious thought, then underneath.

I won't argue might makes right, or that the stronger may beat the weaker in the physical plane.  Its just that, Spit, you are your thoughts, what you hold with you.  You can't look at the killer of your loved ones and feel nothing.  However, you can acknowledge the negative, seek justice (not vengeance) in society by accepted laws, and move on as best you can.  Society, by being a large cohesive unit is, in fact a way for man to bring larger spiritual principles into our reality to live by.  Some of these laws are based on concepts so universal, that one can only believe they are not based merely on revenge.  If a killer kills, he is not put to prison to make him suffer - though that may be the end point.  He is put there so that he won't have the opportunity to kill again (except perhaps other killers).  

As such, our prisons, are sort of a real life model of self-imposed hells in the afterlife.  The suffering of the killer by breaking the laws, committing atrocious acts, is brought on by himself.

M

I had some thoughts on revenge that I think do not belong on Alysia's farewell, but then these threads usually wander around a bit, having more free association than Groucho Marx could ever imagine.

I think the things Matthew just said make sense and I do not advocate revenge as a social policy, but...

like Spit said...if you've never been there, don't judge. Sometimes things go awry and logic and justice fail. Liberty and justice for all? Not really...Of course, in the past, I would never even have allowed that maybe revenge makes sense...not spiritually, but sometimes it makes sense emotionally.

Things happen. Does it matter what it was? Something happened, and I experienced states I never knew existed, much less imagined I would experience. Sometimes people do things (to you) that just surpass understanding. The anger would rise and it wouldn't go away. The Course says there is only love or not love, but from my perspective, I can separate anger from rage. Without justice, without recourse, without receiving understanding or support, the anger evolved into rage. It wasn't an indulgence. It wouldn't go away. The oddest thing happened. I allowed myself to imagine I could commit heinous acts on the perpetrators. And when I did, the rage temporarily lifted. I imagined things I would never have allowed myself to think of before. I would never have considered to think that I could think things like that. It was against everything I stood for before. And it brought me moments of relief.

How could that be? I read an article by someone who was writing about her experience with PTSD, which I had been "diagnosed" with at that time. She was the mother of a young woman who was raped and killed in ...Central Park?...by her boyfriend and it was called the Preppie murder, in case anyone remembers. The mom wrote that at the trial she would sit every day and "see" a bullet go into the head of the man that killed her daughter and that is what helped her get through the trial. Well, that made sense to me.  It is hard to comprehend how someone can just take a big chunk of your life and then just walk away. (and I thank her for writing her story because it really helped me).

Violence begets violence? Yes, in ways we don't understand at all. I think this is one of those factors missing in discussions of how to stop war. And we can argue philosophically about right and wrong, but unless someone can get out there and SHOW me how to walk on water, then well I'm not sure what they are offering. Walk with me...experience my ...whatever it was...and then show mw how to deal with it.

I think Elie Weisel might understand.

One of the problems with revenge is that you don't necessarily know what will be the biggest blow to your ...adversary. Maybe what they did will come back to them in ways I can't understand. Who knows?

So to Spitfire, I say, I don't necessarily agree with you, but I might understand....

I think of Bruce's works and of many other influential publications over the ages.  We can easily sit back and ask about details of technique, ot we could argue about page 39 as opposed to page 172, and did Book 2 carry consistently over into Book 5, or what is the authoritative word on the Park etc.  And it's easy to say "I love you all", and then on Monday go back to raping and pillaging - or is it supposed to be done the other way 'round? Lots of Good Churchgoing People all over the world, in of every faith, live this way.

Books live when they are translated into practice. The author lives on in the acts of those who translate them  into practice. The practice is never the same as the theory, because it goes on beyond the old and into the new, and that is bound to cause friction.

We do not seek to populate Mars because we have memorized Newton's Principia and wish to chant the principles of Gallilean relativity, but because we have transcended both his ideas and the thinking involved in them . Had we not, Newton would have remained no more than a speculative thorist in an extended Dark Age.

For an obscure author, publishing through an equally minute and obscure agency, I'd say that Bruce's idea are being well used, expanded, propagated, evolved and developed here, and always with an underlying sense of, "Does this truly serve?" To gain this sense of critical valuation we need Spitfire's remarks, as well as all the other negativities, because only when we can see past them, and communicate our insights to others, can we progress. That requires someone to play Devil's Advocate and ask, "So what?"

You might wish to condemn Spitfire or Chumley, or me for that matter, to an everlasting sojurn in strawberry fields forever, hopelessly mired in love-treacle, and with the other foot on a golden banana peel. But the fact is that we need the salt to go with the sweet. As Jesus put it, "When the salt has lost its savor, with what might it then be salted?"

Loving Alysia - go where you will in good health and with a good heart! You are loving, and perhaps have gone beyond this level to more directly heal and uplift. If so, your works and your writings will love on in others. But if you need a dash of salt from time to time, here we are.  

d

Trust me, Revenge once gotten, is quite lasting. and satisfying.

Physical strength, is'nt nearly as importent as your will/drive to equalise the score, with those who would take advantage of you.

The thing about societys laws is.....they are corrupted. I once read something, which basically stated. "how can someone judge on an act, when they have neither witnessed or been on the reciving end of such an act.

if a drunk driver run over a child, could you imagine what it's like for there parents?, i mean we can all imagine what it would be like, but you can never feal the pain the way they do. So how can someone else pass judgement on the person responsible?.

I think a killer is sent away as a punishment, because 25 years is in a 10 by 10 cell, aint gonna rehabilitate someone, nor is 25 years gonna stop someone murdering again, it will probley make them do it again through going nuts. If it was to stop them killing anyone else they would lock them away for there entire lives/until some kind of brain re-programming is invented.

Laws, can make a murderer a hero or a villian. Revenge, is the purest form of justice - for it is based pure on 100% evidence as experienced by the reciever.

Spit good point, but it is flawed a wee bit.  There have been many cases of people who exacted their revenge on a completely innocent person who they thought committed the act without their individual proof or from public gossip.

I agree though, If some nutter came and killed one of my loved ones and there was a chance for me to "deal" with him directly, well, you know what the answer would be....

Alysia !
My dear Beans spiller.... yes... we will miss you, and the ones who doesn't......their lost.

We will find each other....whether here or "There", or another forum and we will keep in touch don't you worry.

OH, i forgot, Vicky...about your startement ["all the old great posters from the past who used to really love this site" keep on leaving it."]

a lot of us from the old guard haven't left...we are still here reading but "Cloak"and PM each other instead. We are here when they need us.

Pull to both of you and whoever need it at this time.
With love, Romain :)

...I'm really sorry that you're leaving.

wrote on Jan 14^th, 2006 at 7:24pm:

...I'm really sorry that you're leaving.

Here Here!

Alysia,

Over 500 in such a short time-I guess we care.

Got a whale of a tale to tell you-matee!!!

Catch you pm

Love, Jean :-*

Alysia:

I'm not saying goodbye because I'll see you on the other side/site. :)