After reading "the scole experiments" which btw is an extremely good book, (and it has pictures!) it has alot of referances to "Manu" the gatekeeper.

He was the guy, who established the connections with a group of mediums, allowing others to "come through".

I was just wondering if anyone has had contact with him before?

Spitfire,

You must change that dancing fat person logo.  Its hard to even read your good posts with it there.


M

wrote on Jan 7^th, 2006 at 8:16pm:

Spitfire, You must change that dancing fat person logo.  Its hard to even read your good posts with it there. M

Done

Thanks.   I'm actually a Spitfire fan.  Your cynical input is logical, and you seem open to any real proof.  

wrote on Jan 7^th, 2006 at 9:03pm:

Thanks.   I'm actually a Spitfire fan.  Your cynical input is logical, and you seem open to any real proof.

Cheers, i enjoy reading your posts to. I asked before on another post, but i dont think you saw it. I asked if you had experienced anything paranormal or if you had actually been obe?

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Spitfire,

I've had one OOB which may have been a lucid dream.  I was meditating on a train, when I found myself in my house and bedroom.  But I was truly there.  The vividness and detail were real.  I looked at the dressers and around the room.  I started to walk, but said to myself "wait I'm on the train, this can't be."  And with a surge of adrenaline - I shook my head and was in fact on the train.

When I got home, the room was arranged exactly as I had seen it.  Even the socks on the floor (no one is perfect - my wife hates that).  So, while it may have been a lucid dream, I was aware, I was myself, and was, as far as I can tell truly there.  

I have also had a fair amount of success in practicing focused intent before sleep in a relaxed state on changing circumstances in my life.  As nearly as I can figure it, this changes probability fields, even interacts with the thoughts and actions of others.  I am certain it was called magic for eons, but it is real.  It is not wish fulfillment.  Learning that is difficult, because the intent should be in line with a move toward the better.  

If you look through Dave's posts, you will find one recently where he mentions a type of magic in the thread entitled 139 by Chilipepperflea.  I think that brief response is brilliant, and as strange as it seems, may be helpful in many situations.  

Best to you,

Matthew

wrote on Jan 9^th, 2006 at 7:51am:

Spitfire, I've had one OOB which may have been a lucid dream.  I was meditating on a train, when I found myself in my house and bedroom.  But I was truly there.  The vividness and detail were real.  I looked at the dressers and around the room.  I started to walk, but said to myself "wait I'm on the train, this can't be."  And with a surge of adrenaline - I shook my head and was in fact on the train. When I got home, the room was arranged exactly as I had seen it.  Even the socks on the floor (no one is perfect - my wife hates that).  So, while it may have been a lucid dream, I was aware, I was myself, and was, as far as I can tell truly there.   I have also had a fair amount of success in practicing focused intent before sleep in a relaxed state on changing circumstances in my life.  As nearly as I can figure it, this changes probability fields, even interacts with the thoughts and actions of others.  I am certain it was called magic for eons, but it is real.  It is not wish fulfillment.  Learning that is difficult, because the intent should be in line with a move toward the better.   If you look through Dave's posts, you will find one recently where he mentions a type of magic in the thread entitled 139 by Chilipepperflea.  I think that brief response is brilliant, and as strange as it seems, may be helpful in many situations.   Best to you, Matthew

Did you leave your house that morning to get onto the train? and therefore could have possibly taken a mental image of your room which you later recalled?

Dreams are often quite real, and when you realise it's a dream you often wake up. It does sound almost like that.

How was your perception during your experience? and how was your memory recall, could you go through it step by step. With dreams you only tend to remember the main chunks, and often cant remember how you got to different places and rarely can you go through each step.

This was very different than any dream.  I was in my normal state of recall and consciousness.  I don't think the same socks were on the floor, as my three year old runs around there in the late afternoon.  I remember that episode of being in that room more clearly than I remember last night's dinner.  

All that being said, I can't say that it wasn't a lucid dream.  My panic, and shaking of my head was done because of the seeming impossibility of it all.  Could it have been a dream?  Absolutely.  However it read like my waking life completely.  I'm only sorry now that I chickened out of walking around.  I have read that you can, if lucid dreaming do some reality checks within the dream to see whether things are real or impossible.  

But that one episode along with my experiments with intent changing my own reality has convinced me that we are more than our bodies.  

Oh, yeah, almost forgot.  I tried a partnered exploration to the Monroe crystal.  Alysia gave a pretty good description of me - off in small details only.  Again, not proof, but possible verification.

Now I just have to take things a few steps further.

Matthew

Could you see your hands? Did you have hands? were they opaque?

Im guessing it was your perspective, more then anything which shocked you?

What was this monroe crystal?, i have read his books but that was a few years ago. How good was her description of you?

Greetings,
Why did you ask about DocM's hands, Spitfire? Do you know about the middle eastern spiritual exercise where you look at your physical hands held out in front of you in good light for several minutes a day, slowly turning them, then after a couple of weeks of that, you imagine your hands with your eyes shut, hands slowly turning, again several weeks.  Then in about a month, you use a  dim light, look at your hands without focussing as tho you were looking thru them for several minutes. Poof, then you're over into the spiritual realm.
The process is supposed to 'ground' you, then take you beyond.( You can't cheat on the prep time tho. )
You know that symbol of a hand palm up with an eye staring out of the palm?--it comes from this process. It's a convenient way to get used to 'crossing over', as it only uses something you always have with you.

Fascinating bets.

Actually, everything was there.  Hands, body - I can't tell what clothes I had on, I was too shocked at my surroundings.

Spitfire,

If you look in the Partnered explorations forum, there is a large rock/art on a square wooden base called the Monroe crystal.  Several on the board have set their intent to meet there at a specified time.  I don't think you'd believe in it; it involves creative visualization and is not a proveable activity.

M

wrote on Jan 9^th, 2006 at 10:00am:

Greetings, Why did you ask about DocM's hands, Spitfire? Do you know about the middle eastern spiritual exercise where you look at your physical hands held out in front of you in good light for several minutes a day, slowly turning them, then after a couple of weeks of that, you imagine your hands with your eyes shut, hands slowly turning, again several weeks.  Then in about a month, you use a  dim light, look at your hands without focussing as tho you were looking thru them for several minutes. Poof, then you're over into the spiritual realm. The process is supposed to 'ground' you, then take you beyond.( You can't cheat on the prep time tho. ) You know that symbol of a hand palm up with an eye staring out of the palm?--it comes from this process. It's a convenient way to get used to 'crossing over', as it only uses something you always have with you.

I asked because, spirits are often thought to be transparent, they cant touch physical objects like we do. When you dream, you dont really notice your body the way was you do while awake (well at least not for me). If doc can remember touching items, and seeing his hand as he normally would, it would add more verification to the fact it was "real" and not just a dream.

With the hands, ive seen the brain do this, if you spend several hours in total darkness, you can imagine your hand in front of you. Though i dont believe this is crossing over, but merely the brain compensating via imagination due to the lack of stimulous.

"...With the hands, ive seen the brain do this,
if you spend several hours in total darkness,
you can imagine your hand in front of you.
Though i dont believe this is crossing over,
but merely the brain compensating via
imagination due to the lack of stimulous."
Grr-rrr!
OK, you're exactly right, but that's not the last step.  That's the grounding, it focusses the mind/imagination.
Then you step in with the INTENT to cross into the spiritual.  You're right there---go ahead ! :P
Those who use the 'hand mandala' would say that DocM's experience was truly on the other side because he saw his hands there.