Just wondering if anyone has tried them?

Ive heard the storys, about only getting bad spirits etc, but im not really fussed if i get an axe murderer, aslong as i get some proof of the paranormal.

Can you do it by yourself? even though i would probley be scared to death the first time, but like everything you get used it to if you put yourself through it enough times.

Seems, from what ive read, it does'nt matter if your a muslim extremist to a total athiest, quijia boards produce the goods?

I've heard that they are best used with a group.
The reason being, that if you use one yourself, you're never quite sure if it was YOU moving the "planchette" thingy, or "something else." Our minds can play tricks on us, and we'll think we are being influenced when we are not. Alone, your natural skepticism may also prevent any "results" from occurring (not what I think you want to happen..!)
With a group, there would likely be a better influence by the "collective unconscious" or what have you (I'm just theorizing here, mind you.)
BTW, most of the horror stories about Ouija boards seem to come from Christian fundies and the like (who are likely to have preconceived notions of "evil" regarding the things. ) In any case, if you're scared to use one alone... I'd advise you to avoid doing it until you can get some friends together (preferably open minded ones) as the unconscious mind will occasionally manifest fears it it feels "alone" or without back-up of some kind... hope this is useful to you. After you get comfortable with it (AND you're confident that it's more than just superstitious drivel, so you have BELIEF in it) you might want to try using it alone.

Just my $0.02,
B-man

You ever had a go with one chum?

My guides blew off the one I bought a while back. Totally ignored it. I didn't try it for anything else and I'm not going to. I'll throw it away pretty soon.

Those horror stories don't just come from fundies, btw.

Rob

Ouija boards 'work' - BUT - like attracts like!

Hiorta, you took the words right out of my mouth. LOL

Blessings,
Mairlyn  ;D

 Hi P.A.,

I would say only in the physical Earth does the opposites attracts thing work, and this is because of the duality nature of physical Earth, where everything is in contrast to everything else...or in other words, relativity.

 In the nonphysical dimensions the Pure Law of Like attracts Like only manifests.  Here it manifests too, but sometimes opposites attract.

 I see this in my astrological work, and in relationship charts, i often see powerful opposite sign indications and same sign indications between planetetary positions of one, to the other.  

 Polarization....  Because in this dimension, its seems that both Light and Dark are fundamental realities....but in "reality" dark is just a temp. illusion, so there can be no true opposites attract since there are really no opposites.

 Bruce talks about the same thing, in talking about how the "true" opposite of Love isn't hate, but unlove, or relates this to other concepts.

 He seemed to infer this was a very deep lesson once he finally "got it" and understood it fully.  But was hard to grasp?

 Rosalind's guides talk about this illusionary law of opposites attract being only in the physical Earth too, and bascially give similar reasons i gave above.  Physicallity is ultimately an illusion so says the Elder called Radiant Lady.

 I agree have always known this in some manner, it seems, but didn't become conscious of it till later on.  It can't be fully explained or understood in a left brain kind of way, since we are dealing with Absolutes here, and the Left brain aspect's job is too perceive the relative and changing reality around us.

You ever had a go with one chum?
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I seriously experimented with an (online) ouija board
back in '97, and nothing happened for me.
(The "planchette" was my mouse.)
I tried it daily, over a period of a week. Maybe online
doesn't work?
Or maybe I was too skeptical..?
(I've never directly known anyone who was into stuff like ouija boards in any event, so I'm on my own. All my friends were (and are) either Christians or agnostics, so I can't ask them for help on THIS one without them thinking I was a nutjob.)
In any case, the advice to do it in a group (and with a REAL board!) I gleaned off the 'Net. (And it does make sense, come to think of it...)

B-man

 I wrote the below on Ouija boards a while ago for Linn's site, but never got any feedback on it...  I think it explains it all pretty darn well, but of course i'm a little biased towards me ;D.  

I basically agree with CW, Mair, and Alysia about the above...but could it be a little more involved..? Had a couple thoughts about Ouja, relating it to collective thought-form energy and resonant attraction laws...

Its kinda like when we say, the spirit of America, the spirit of the Celts, the spirit of Latino's etc.? What do they mean...they're kind of generalizations, like people descended from strong Celtic blood have a tendency towards high energy, creativity, hard-headedness/combativeness, and psychicness...Or America has a general aura of EXTREMISM (both very material and very spiritual) around it...

But generalizations though they may be, isn't there some average truth to it. I've noticed that a lot of Caucasians with Fire sign risings, tend be be Celtic looking i.e. freckles/light skin, round alpine heads, strong or at least wiry muscular, and like what their Fire rising sign indicates--often FIERY emotionally (even more so then their Sun sign counterparts). I can attest to this, i have a Leo rising and I certainly have more than a bit of tendency towards short-temperedness, though i never stay mad for more than a few minutes (am mostly of scottish descent and look stereotypically "Scottish" reddish beard and all, and i have the whole British Isles thrown in, some German, and some Native American). But, like astrology, these are just innate tendencies, probably ones i was well aware of before i was born, and chose this body for these particular tendencies (this relates to the astro chart too)...

I think this applies to Ouja boards in a way, because they have been around for a while, and where especially prevalent during the spiritualistic era of the late 1800's and early 1900's where people tended to be a little bit sensationalistic, and smitten with the dark and/or occult (hidden) forces.. So, having so many people use the Ouja boards in a certain general manner for so long, magnitizes a certain collective energy to Ouja boards, or eventually forms something like, "the spirit of Ouja"..

So when someone from our day and age, uses an Ouja board, because of the collective thought-form around the Ouja, someone would be more prone to attract ignorant or even blatantly negative energies...but of course the knowledgable and well prepared to could counter act that influence...

Like in certain physics theories, when we call something material, like say..calling an apple an apple, you are really saying a particular pattern of vibrational energy with a different and relative relationship to other consciousnesses, so when someone sees, eats, EXPERIENCES an apple, they're really tapping into a certain consciousness of which the apple is the symbolic representation visually.... So each thing, even "dead" ouja boards have an aura, a certain consciousness around it, and this has its own tendencies to act in a certain way in a particular environment.

I don't know, but my hunch is that a spirit who actually plays the role of guide, wouldn't seek to make contact with the person it is working with through an ouija board.

On the other hand, a spirit who is seeking attention, or wants to be a nuisance, will find whatever opening it can.

From the perspective of the spirit World, it might look like a handfull of grain being fed to a flock of pigeons, when somebody tries to say hello through an ouija board. Or perhaps like a flock of vultures going after a scrap of meat that a lion left behind.

Greetings, Spitfire and all,
I tried ouija boards and it didn't make sense for me either.
As an alternative, what about using the creative process --- starting a painting or drawing, as a springboard into the mystical? Has anyone here had experience with that? Some time when there's no deadlines, no interruptions, even no preconceived subject--- or use a subject that has some sort of association with the mystical, for ex., like for Spitfire, impressions of your Gran.
I shared a studio with other painters also interested in mystical contact and we got quite a few surprises from our work, or from the process of focussing/painting, or from the subjects that developed. It proved to be a great gateway that got alot of us going further into the mystical later, without the art studio type of focussed imagination.
( Artwork done commercially doesn't help much, we found--too many overriding concerns and interruptions).

Spitfire, get a ouiji board. You will attract all the lower vibrational spirits that you want, just like you who want revenge. You will get along just fine with them. ::)

wrote on Jan 6^th, 2006 at 11:35am:

Spitfire, get a ouiji board. You will attract all the lower vibrational spirits that you want, just like you who want revenge. You will get along just fine with them. ::)

Well, im hoping to make a connection with someone who has some true grit about them, you flower power druids, just live in a world of lies, believing everything and questioning nothing, but since your more then happy living with your ignorance, then good for you.

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Well, im hoping to make a connection with someone who has some true grit about them, you flower power druids, just live in a world of lies, believing everything and questioning nothing, but since your more then happy living with your ignorance, then good for you.
*****************
Of course, we're all doomed to live (and die) in ignorance, as far as ultimate truth is concerned.
I wish there was some GOOD science regarding
this whole post-mortem existence business.
But, your post brings up a serious problem with this whole afterlife-speculation bit, Spit... one one side we've
got the skeptics who just pooh-pooh everything
and on the other side we've got the "flower-power
druids" (under whose banner you find most Christians as well as New Agers.)
Where are the serious, open-minded researchers to settle the whole question once and for all?
P.S. Interesting new header you've got there... what's up with the dancing fat guy?
Anyway...
Your occasional verbal sparring partner,

B-man

"Ouija Boards...just wondered if anyone tried them."
I didn't answer that very clearly. I did try them, they did move, but they did not spell anything. Since then I have read various places that they are unreliable because  players are unprotected, meaning that when you look for spiritual guidance with a prayer of some sort, those traditions generally know to inform you to start out each session by asking for guidance.

But with ouija boards you just jump in and can pick up the lower influences that might play with you. An icy cold draft is associated with lower spirits and yes, I did feel such an inappropriate, uncaused ici-ness while using an O board.

When I first started experimenting with spiritual realms I used to feel that eery coldness but with spiritual growth and prayer i no longer have those encounters. Would you count them as a mystical experience, even tho of a more negative kind?
  ???  Bets

wrote on Jan 7^th, 2006 at 7:05am:

***************** Well, im hoping to make a connection with someone who has some true grit about them, you flower power druids, just live in a world of lies, believing everything and questioning nothing, but since your more then happy living with your ignorance, then good for you. ***************** Of course, we're all doomed to live (and die) in ignorance, as far as ultimate truth is concerned. I wish there was some GOOD science regarding this whole post-mortem existence business. But, your post brings up a serious problem with this whole afterlife-speculation bit, Spit... one one side we've got the skeptics who just pooh-pooh everything and on the other side we've got the "flower-power druids" (under whose banner you find most Christians as well as New Agers.) Where are the serious, open-minded researchers to settle the whole question once and for all? P.S. Interesting new header you've got there... what's up with the dancing fat guy? Anyway... Your occasional verbal sparring partner, B-man

Little porker, is doing the i want more food tango. It was just on a site i was browsing through, and i thought i might aswell slap the paddy daddy on here. As i am sure, it will stir up some of the daisy dandys on the site doodalee.

[b]But with ouija boards you just jump in and can pick up the lower influences that might play with you. An icy cold draft is associated with lower spirits and yes, I did feel such an inappropriate, uncaused ici-ness while using an O board.  


       Hello, here is my two cents worth on Ouija boards and or Angel boards< ( new spin on Ouija board, same thing). Its all about intent, so lets stop and think what we are trying to accomplish with a game board in contacting a Spirit. Usually there are several all playing this spirit contact game at same time, so we have  several people all sitting about one board ( most with a drink in hand) with different issues and agendas and emotions and each calling or trying to attract a spirit of some kind, and that is  usually what you will get a spirit of some kind, and it will be random at best.  Its played to be a game for amusement  but can one attract a lower level spirit, of course they can  and this ceases to be amusing if you do. I wish you well, linn  http://www.spiritlinnusa.com

I've tried using an ouija board before, with my mother. All I got from it was an icy cold draught, and the feeling that I shouldn't be messing around with ouija boards anyway. I said to my mother, whose idea it was by the way, that it didn't seem to be a good idea, but she said that she had used them before and that it would be fine.

According to her, it's easy to make a "bad" spirit go away if one pops up. I wouldn't know, that was the first and last time I've tried using one.

If you want to experiment, go ahead, do what you think is right for you, but exercise some common sense.

i remember when i was little my parents wouldnt get me a ouji board lol but i finally got one and it didnt work might be because it was made by the company parker brotherslol but is it true if you use one you invite bad sprits in? or is this just bogus bull?

Lydia, invite who you like, but you can only attract whatever you spiritually are.

Hello,
I just wanted to ask you all one thing?
Why doesn't anyone questions this spirit communication method?
In my own experience making contact is an unbelievably difficult task. There's no easy way to go about it and more often than not, you will try for months and get absolutely nowhere.
Doesn't this sound a bit too easy? It doesn't matter if you get who you intended or a low spirit, still you would be connecting to the afterlife. How could it be so easy?
I dunno, but I have watched a few programs on the subject and they deduced that the oija board is just one more board game. Everything is a product of the imaginantion and the participants push the thing subconsciously. Basically the oija board did not pass one single test out of all the test logically designed specially for it.

Peace.

SunriseChaos.
(Sandra)

Bets,

I'm really intregued by you and your friends art studio because I really like the idea of accessing the subconscious through non dominant hand- drawing, painting, and writing. So to take it a step further by using it as a sprinboard into the mystical. Well, WOW!  I know that I've come up with some amazing insights which I've found helpful and I have had my portrait done, along with others in a group, done by a psychic artist but didn't get to see it because I moved from the area before it was done.  During the painting I was told that I was coming up as a nurse type person.  But to place the intent, with others, in a studio setting sounds really fun.

As far as the Ouija Board goes, I never had much luck and because of the bad pr when I was using it, I lost interest.  Since then, I've had friends who attracted some nasty character a few times, and seemed to have had trouble getting rid of him. That was a while back and now I think I've heard more about the precautions to take if you want to play around with it  

Right now, I'd rather communicate through the art,  writing, meditation thing as opposed to the Ouija Board.

Just my thoughts, Jean :-*

wrote on Jan 8^th, 2006 at 3:07am:

Lydia, invite who you like, but you can only attract whatever you spiritually are.

I don't think that's always true. I've known of people who are spiritually advanced get problems with negative spirits (not necessarily from ouija boards though, these people just wouldn't bother with that kind of thing).

Thanks, Jean,

Sounds right to me what you say about the Ouija board. I wonder what Spitfire who started this thread will decide to do?

Regarding using the creative process to access the spiritual, there are sure alot of steps and variations along the way !  Are you going to try it or have you already? One friend I’ve kept in touch with found out one of her paintings was prophetic, showing a place and people that have only recently come into her life. One fellow ended up painting a ‘sacred mountain’ that gave him visions of hiking over its ridge and encountering an immensely bright light and a voice that gave him personal direction. (He packed up and left the midwest and now lives in the mountains.)

The process for me was sort of like channelling another force and it didn’t like my painting style. I kept thinking rationalizing thoughts at it but it won with a more impressionistic, calligraphic style as a result. Some of the painters just became much more contemplative; guess I don’t know the results of all.  
We didn’t know some of the possibilities then, but we got some fine ‘souveniers’ along the way.

wrote on Jan 9^th, 2006 at 9:37am:

Thanks, Jean, Sounds right to me what you say about the Ouija board. I wonder what Spitfire who started this thread will decide to do? Regarding using the creative process to access the spiritual, there are sure alot of steps and variations along the way !  Are you going to try it or have you already? One friend I’ve kept in touch with found out one of her paintings was prophetic, showing a place and people that have only recently come into her life. One fellow ended up painting a ‘sacred mountain’ that gave him visions of hiking over its ridge and encountering an immensely bright light and a voice that gave him personal direction. (He packed up and left the midwest and now lives in the mountains.) The process for me was sort of like channelling another force and it didn’t like my painting style. I kept thinking rationalizing thoughts at it but it won with a more impressionistic, calligraphic style as a result. Some of the painters just became much more contemplative; guess I don’t know the results of all.   We didn’t know some of the possibilities then, but we got some fine ‘souveniers’ along the way.

Hi Bets,

Ive ordered a board, and it should be here within 2 weeks.

Im not really bothered, wether i get bad spirits or good spirits. Proof is all i seek, and some cranky spirit aint gonna stop me :).

If it works, it will mean alot to me, as i cannot be hypnotised and i dont imagine things happening easily. So if it works, it will give me a big boost that surviving death is'nt just a fairy tale to feed our need to survive.

I have a few questions, about it though. I am hoping that i dont have to apply much pressure to the pointer, as to rule out myself pushing it, and not some paranormal force directing it.

If it works for me, it will work for anyone. If it does'nt work, i'll put it down to people having wishful thinking and a group mentality making the situation.

I would like to know why spirits....must operate in the dark though?....

Just be careful Spit man, thos boards are wolves in sheeps clothing, dabble with care when dealing with powers that you can not possibly comprehend or control...

To GW - post 23
You are perfectly correct, Gemma.
I only gave a minimum of a reply.

Should a person seek, sincerely, information to enable them to give (better) service to others, then this intention will alert those on a 'higher' level.
Should you really wish this and try to do so, expect to be tested and tested again and again, as to your real intentions.
These folk won't waste their energies with folk who are merely curious or playing games, or even partly sincere.

This is why so many 'experimental' attempts meet with mixed or even frightening outcomes.

This is why I deliberately withheld some info. This is NOT a party game, nor should it ever be tried after consuming alcohol or other drugs.
Keep the mind clear of fear and all negativity, try to be peaceful and calm. Please believe me on this.

 Also, consider this about things....

 Every physical 'thing' seems to have its energy, or spiritual counterpart...  Its consciousness, its aura, its meaning, its 'feeling'....

 With physical objects, there is less inherent meaning, or consciousness involved than in a living being...

 So the aura or consciousness of a physical object, is more directly related to the collective thought-form which has 'built' up around it..

 With Ouija, there has been a lot of people involved in it, with intents, motivations, etc. that lacked a deeper spiritual approach...lacked a respect...

 Ouija started as, and always has been a very sensationalistic 'device' for tuning into spirits...  So it has magnetized a certain 'aura' around it...  Or again, you could call it the Spirit of Ouija...  When you use the physical object known as Ouija, you are tapping into the collective thoughtform which is more balanced to the negative and sensationalistic...

 Hence why even spiritually intune and seriously motivated people have had problems with this particular tuning in device...

  Its like the quote by Cayce about the 4 dimensional awareness being an awareness where you understand physical objects from a spiritual viewpoint, and understand spiritual things from a physical viewpoint...

Very hard in practice sometimes......  and i've learned that things are often much more relative, complicated, and shades of gray than most give credit for, at least in my perceptions.

 Lol humans love to put absolutes on relative things, and make relative absolute princples! 8)

wrote on Jan 9^th, 2006 at 4:30pm:

To GW - post 23 You are perfectly correct, Gemma. I only gave a minimum of a reply. Should a person seek, sincerely, information to enable them to give (better) service to others, then this intention will alert those on a 'higher' level. Should you really wish this and try to do so, expect to be tested and tested again and again, as to your real intentions. These folk won't waste their energies with folk who are merely curious or playing games, or even partly sincere. This is why so many 'experimental' attempts meet with mixed or even frightening outcomes. This is why I deliberately withheld some info. This is NOT a party game, nor should it ever be tried after consuming alcohol or other drugs. Keep the mind clear of fear and all negativity, try to be peaceful and calm. Please believe me on this.

The last paragragh... that's if you really need to use a board.
::)

Spit, I'm requesting a small favor of you.
You're a hardcore skeptic (UNLIKE just about everybody else here) and were you
to get any results with that thing, I have a hard
time imagining YOU lying about it - or commencing
to pontificate on fluffy-bunny "Love is All There
Is" rhetoric (that is, unless that's what you
actually GOT from using your board...) You appear to
be an HONEST individual (brutally so.) That's why I'm
asking you to do THIS...
When/if you get actual results, I would like you to
fill me in on them, via private message.
(I'd try it myself, but I'd feel like 27 different kinds
of fool doing it - an irrational response, but that's the way I am when dealing with things outside my belief paradigm, sad to say. AND I'd probably would
be disinclined to trust whatever "results" I DID get -  
an "icy draft" or whatever..? I'd end up suspecting m
my mind was playing tricks on me.)
So... good, bad, or indifferent, would you mind
privately filling me in on your results?
Thanks,

B-man

wrote on Jan 9^th, 2006 at 9:21pm:

Spit, I'm requesting a small favor of you. You're a hardcore skeptic (UNLIKE just about everybody else here) and were you to get any results with that thing, I have a hard time imagining YOU lying about it - or commencing to pontificate on fluffy-bunny "Love is All There Is" rhetoric (that is, unless that's what you actually GOT from using your board...) You appear to be an HONEST individual (brutally so.) That's why I'm asking you to do THIS... When/if you get actual results, I would like you to fill me in on them, via private message. (I'd try it myself, but I'd feel like 27 different kinds of fool doing it - an irrational response, but that's the way I am when dealing with things outside my belief paradigm, sad to say. AND I'd probably would be disinclined to trust whatever "results" I DID get -   an "icy draft" or whatever..? I'd end up suspecting m my mind was playing tricks on me.) So... good, bad, or indifferent, would you mind privately filling me in on your results? Thanks, B-man

np chum, i'll keep you informed. If you dont hear from me ive been beaten up by a poltergiest.

Roger that, Spit 8)
Also let me know if NOTHING happened
(although I don't think I need to tell you
that...)
And if you get anything REALLY "spooky", I'll even
keep my mouth shut about it you prefer.
Thanks again,

B-man

wrote on Jan 9^th, 2006 at 9:37pm:

np chum, i'll keep you informed. If you dont hear from me ive been beaten up by a poltergiest.

Hey, if that happens just call me and i'll kick its arse for you.  I don't like bullies, nonphysical ones or otherwise! >:(  ;D

 Lol you're a pretty funny guy sometimes, cracked up at that one.

wrote on Jan 9^th, 2006 at 9:21pm:

Spit, I'm requesting a small favor of you. You're a hardcore skeptic (UNLIKE just about everybody else here) and were you to get any results with that thing, I have a hard time imagining YOU lying about it - or commencing to pontificate on fluffy-bunny "Love is All There Is" rhetoric (that is, unless that's what you actually GOT from using your board...) You appear to be an HONEST individual (brutally so.) That's why I'm asking you to do THIS... When/if you get actual results, I would like you to fill me in on them, via private message. (I'd try it myself, but I'd feel like 27 different kinds of fool doing it - an irrational response, but that's the way I am when dealing with things outside my belief paradigm, sad to say. AND I'd probably would be disinclined to trust whatever "results" I DID get -   an "icy draft" or whatever..? I'd end up suspecting m my mind was playing tricks on me.) So... good, bad, or indifferent, would you mind privately filling me in on your results? Thanks, B-man

I find that post a little confusing actually. Because Spit is the most skeptical he is the most honest?. Not sure if things really work like that.

The other day I was reading an article on another afterlife site about a skeptic (Dr Richard Hodgen  i think) who devoted a good portion of he's life studying the actions of a medium called Leonore Piper and had to conclude he could not see any other way she was doing what she was doing. Great article, but i like a balance of sorts.Go to James Randi's site and there is a small paragraph on Leonore Piper and the last sentence explains that although Dr Hodgen believed in her she incorrectly told Dr Hodgen he would live a long life and have kids ( he died at 50 a few years after she said this).

Now this little attempt of finding truth annoyed me A LOT on so many levels. Firstly, I was not given the whole story by EITHER site. However in this situation James Randi is effectively rejecting a fellow skeptics work of well over a decade with one sentence!?

Did she get it wrong, maybe. Was this intentional or  a mistake I DONT OR WONT KNOW because no one plays the game fair and reports the story in a level way.   >:(.

By the sound of it Hodgon spent so much time and effort trying to prove she was a fraud with seemingly no success. But can I find a fair and balanced account of all the facts NO!

What i am saying is , do not equate a skeptic with an honest person. As a person who is neither a skeptic or a believer it is irritating. James Randi is a super hard line skeptic and by that small paragraph on Leonore Piper proved he is as gifted and bending facts to suit he's belief better than anyone.

On the subject of using the board , the only person I know who used it was my Mum. She did it at work with a few friends. She tells me of a number of negative things that occured after, Including the shop closing down and the Manager commiting suicide. Is she lying to me ..nope.. Are the facts distorted ...unlikely but possible. Are the events related to the board ... who knows but she believes they are.

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I find that post a little confusing actually. Because Spit is the most skeptical he is the most honest?. Not sure if things really work like that.
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Two things I'd like to say about that, Matt:
#1. Spitfire has got to be the most brutally frank
(some might even say cruelly so) poster on this
forum. He despises liars, fakes, and wafflers, especially in
"spiritual" matters. So, I'd doubt he's going to
feed me bullsh!t, whether he gets results or not.
Also, he hasn't asked for any money and he isn't
trying to SELL anything (unlike just about anyone else with the potential to offer "evidence" on this stuff.) Sounds pretty good to me...
#2. Spitfire has shown considerable curiosity along
with his skepticism. Not to mention, more "paradigm flexibility" than I could muster (maybe that's because he's young.) He's even willing to pay GOOD
MONEY to procure an Ouija board in an attempt to
satisfy that curiosity. Now me, I'm a cheap, tightfisted bastard, so I know how unpleasant it is to part with hard-earned cash... ESPECIALLY on something you're not even sure is going to work. If Spit doesn't get results, he's out however many $$$'s (or is it pounds sterling?) that board costs him... and he knows it.
Not to mention, he risks his friends and family thinking he's a crackpot, if they find out he ordered the thing.
That's a bigger risk than I'D be willing to take, I gotta give him that.
Add the above to the fact that Spit's a skeptic (who couldn't care less whether I "become spiritually enlightened" or go to Hell) and I'd say that makes his attempt worth watching, IMHO. No vested interests to fog the view...
It is the "true believers" who I can't trust, how do I know they aren't just trying to bolster their own "faith" by trying to make me believe as they do? People do that, you know. Take time to observe the behaviors of any Jehovah's Witness, Mormon, or (unusual, but sometimes "pagans" preach too) CERTAIN Gardnerian Wiccans (at least the ones I've met.)
Just my $0.02...

B-man

wrote on Jan 10^th, 2006 at 6:04am:

***************** I find that post a little confusing actually. Because Spit is the most skeptical he is the most honest?. Not sure if things really work like that. ***************** Two things I'd like to say about that, Matt: #1. Spitfire has got to be the most brutally frank (some might even say cruelly so) poster on this forum. He despises liars, fakes, and wafflers, especially in "spiritual" matters. So, I'd doubt he's going to feed me bullsh!t, whether he gets results or not. Also, he hasn't asked for any money and he isn't trying to SELL anything (unlike just about anyone else with the potential to offer "verification" on this stuff. Sounds pretty good to me... #2. Spitfire has shown considerable curiosity along with his skepticism. Not to mention, more "paradigm flexibility" than I could muster (maybe that's because he's young.) He's even willing to pay GOOD MONEY to procure an Ouija board in an attempt to satisfy that curiosity. Now me, I'm a cheap, tightfisted bastard, so I know how unpleasant it is to part with hard-earned cash... ESPECIALLY on something you're not even sure is going to work. If Spit doesn't get results, he's out however many $$$'s (or is it pounds sterling?) that board costs him... and he knows it. Not to mention, he risks his friends and family thinking he's a crackpot, if they find out he ordered the thing. That's a bigger risk than I'D be willing to take, I gotta give him that. Add the above to the fact that Spit's a skeptic (who couldn't care less whether I "become spiritually enlightened" or go to Hell) and I'd say that makes his attempt worth watching, IMHO. No vested interests to fog the view... It is the "true believers" who I can't trust, how do I know they aren't just trying to bolster their own "faith" by trying to make me believe as they do? People do that, you know. Take time to observe the behaviors of any Jehovah's Witness, Mormon, or (unusual, but sometimes "pagans" preach too) CERTAIN Gardnerian Wiccans (at least the ones I've met.) Just my $0.02... B-man

Thanks chum.

Matt,
it's true that some skeptics, are just so stuck in there ways for so long - if good evidence does come along they just dismiss it. Or as with randi he's got 1 million bucks on the line - and i would be very skeptical if i had that kinda money to loose.

I assure you, if god slapped me in the face, i would look into christianity, if pictures came off the wall flew at me, i would look into poltergiests, and if i get a message on the board, i'll look into more spiritual aspects/view points.

None of us want to die and turn into a bag of rotten worm bait, when we kick it (especially not me). I am very open to anything which could prove the afterlife. I just need it to be firm evidence, rather then a few fairy tales passed on :).

Btw chum, your right ive got all my afterlife books stashed  under my bed, and im gonna have to ninja the board when it arrives into the attic and do it up there lol.

Things i do for knowledge......

later
-spit-

wrote on Jan 10^th, 2006 at 5:14am:

I find that post a little confusing actually. Because Spit is the most skeptical he is the most honest?. Not sure if things really work like that. The other day I was reading an article on another afterlife site about a skeptic (Dr Richard Hodgen  i think) who devoted a good portion of he's life studying the actions of a medium called Leonore Piper and had to conclude he could not see any other way she was doing what she was doing. Great article, but i like a balance of sorts.Go to James Randi's site and there is a small paragraph on Leonore Piper and the last sentence explains that although Dr Hodgen believed in her she incorrectly told Dr Hodgen he would live a long life and have kids ( he died at 50 a few years after she said this). Well hasn't anyone even considered that the future isn't set in stone? Leonore Piper may well have got the information correct, yet it didn't turn out like that because the future isn't set in stone. Remember there are other factors to consider, including the Dr Hodgen's own actions, and other people's actions, that may have brought about his death earlier than expected. We'll never know, but all I'm saying is that it's not always down to the medium, when things don't turn out as expected. :) Something for the skeptics to think about. I also know from personal experience that it's not easy working with spirit and there are other factors that can affect the quality of the information coming through. Such as the spirit's own experience from working with mediums. Mediums also have good/bad days, which can also affect the information coming through. A lot of people don't realise these things. :) Funny how people like James Randi don't provide the full story. It's all too convenient. Now this little attempt of finding truth annoyed me A LOT on so many levels. Firstly, I was not given the whole story by EITHER site. However in this situation James Randi is effectively rejecting a fellow skeptics work of well over a decade with one sentence!? Did she get it wrong, maybe. Was this intentional or  a mistake I DONT OR WONT KNOW because no one plays the game fair and reports the story in a level way.   >:(. By the sound of it Hodgon spent so much time and effort trying to prove she was a fraud with seemingly no success. But can I find a fair and balanced account of all the facts NO! What i am saying is , do not equate a skeptic with an honest person. As a person who is neither a skeptic or a believer it is irritating. James Randi is a super hard line skeptic and by that small paragraph on Leonore Piper proved he is as gifted and bending facts to suit he's belief better than anyone. On the subject of using the board , the only person I know who used it was my Mum. She did it at work with a few friends. She tells me of a number of negative things that occured after, Including the shop closing down and the Manager commiting suicide. Is she lying to me ..nope.. Are the facts distorted ...unlikely but possible. Are the events related to the board ... who knows but she believes they are.

i agree with you marilyn spitfire would attract  them from the lowest plain and he would get along  with them , nice to meet you marilyn by the way  deanna

wrote on Jan 18^th, 2006 at 6:30pm:

i agree with you marilyn spitfire would attract  them from the lowest plain and he would get along  with them , nice to meet you marilyn by the way  deanna

We'll aslong as they aint weak like most people on this board. We'll get along fine.

Nice to meet you too Deanna.

Namaste,
Mairlyn ;-)

wrote on Jan 18^th, 2006 at 6:36pm:

We'll aslong as they aint weak like most people on this board. We'll get along fine.

Please expand on this view point Spitfire. Explain to us why you consider the majority of the people on this board weak?

Have you used the Ouija board yet?
When you use it, appeal to the lowest primal forms of humanity if it will satisfy you. I would never presume the entirety of this reality and Universe based on the current dogma of modern science.I wouldnt do it. But if you consider people weak because in your view they cannot comprehend the "strength" of "dogmatic skeptism" you have nothing to loose.

Have you looked at the work of Rupert Sheldrake?
Have you tried hemi-sync to meditate and understand yourself?

Do you consider those ideas weak?

spitfire i just been reding one of your posts which says you are getting a ouiga board in two weeks ,you want to be careful even i wouldnt use one witout a triained medium there also if you do use it on your own ask god first to put a white light of protection around you because you can bring in some really bad spirits from the lower plains especially so say that prayer and you should just get good spirits come through and also when you have finished on the ouiga board  say a closing down prayer  and that will make the spirits go back  to the spirit world i,m only telling you this because you really have got to be careful using these boards  deanna

I'm not sure Spitifre would have it any other way than for his proof of reality being more than the physical to be a full-on objects-flyin'-through-the-room ghost attack.
Better than something questionable, eh?

I'm not so sure some people should get their proof.

Then there's always the question of "Did this really happen, or have I just lost my mind?"

If Spitifire believes more in going insane than having a real supernatural experience, which is he more likely to assume if one does occur?

wrote on Jan 19^th, 2006 at 9:24am:

I'm not sure Spitifre would have it any other way than for his proof of reality being more than the physical to be a full-on objects-flyin'-through-the-room ghost attack. Better than something questionable, eh? I'm not so sure some people should get their proof. Then there's always the question of "Did this really happen, or have I just lost my mind?" If Spitifire believes more in going insane than having a real supernatural experience, which is he more likely to assume if one does occur?

A doctor tells you your gonna be dead next week. Yet you feel fine, do you believe him? or do you require some good proof?

Proof of the afterlife has so many liars and fakes, you cant blame a person for being skeptical.

I am not going to lie to myself about the atferlife. Just to make my self feel better. I would rather go insane. Then live in ignorance.

I got my board yesterday, and im gonna have a go tonight. And thanks for the concern deanna, but i dont believe in god, and i dont need his protection. :)

@ Matt.

When i say weak, i meen - most are emotionally weak, there beliefs are weak, and there ideals are often weak.

Such as: Crying over a disagreement - Unwilling/to selfish to prove there point, no drive to prove there abilities - closed mined views to anything un-spiritual - Claim to love everything and want world peace yadda yadda, but only doing it when it suits them, and ar'nt willing to perform an actions aimed at there goals....because they dont need to...because they "think" good things, therefore theres no need to.

My board arrived yesterday - gonna give it a whirl tonight.

Bad spirits - good spirits....i am not fussed what i get, as i said i would die to prove what i believe.

i hav'nt heard of Rupert Sheldrake before, but since you mentioned it i looked him up on google and found http://www.sheldrake.org/ looks intresting. Gonna give it a more indepth going over later.

I dont consider hemi-sync weak....proved to have results...based on scientific facts/understanding and it makes sense to me.

spitfire how did you get on with the ouiga board  deanna

wrote on Jan 19^th, 2006 at 10:01pm:

spitfire how did you get on with the ouiga board  deanna

Tried it last night, but unfortunatley i did'nt get a sausage. Spent 1 hour at it, in the dark with only candles... I'll do some reading to see if theres anything i can change to try and get a result.

just be cautious i spoke to two mediums last night and they said you shouldnt do it without a protection prayer  or on your own really  deanna

just be careful spit,don't want you being possessed by a bad spirit  :o  :o  :o

Hey Spitfire,

Keep me informed of your results, im really curious too.  I wonder how many people here have actually tried it and gotten the results they are warning everyone about, and how many people are just passing off information they were "told" by someone else.  It sounds like most people are passing on hearsay without valuble personal experiences to share with the rest of us.    

hi spitfire have you tried the ouiga board again yet if you have how did you get on deanna

wrote on Jan 24^th, 2006 at 3:11pm:

hi spitfire have you tried the ouiga board again yet if you have how did you get on deanna

Not yet, gonna have another go on thursday as im home alone again ^+ I'll let you know what happens

okay spitfire thanks deanna

I have not tryed it myself,but my brothers daughter did.her and her friend.my niece told me,she asked the board a question.she said when I was small I ran away from my babysitter and my granfather ran after me.This is the question I asked.What did my granfather give me or buy me?The answer ice cream.and it was the right answer.George

I personally have not used the Ouija board however I started experimenting with a pendulum and was contacted by "someone"...long story made short...I'm still trying to decide if this "spirit" is trying to be helpful or just a pain in the behind.

happygrl