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Message started by Marilyn Maitreya on Dec 29th, 2005 at 2:07am

Title: For Donald and All
Post by Marilyn Maitreya on Dec 29th, 2005 at 2:07am
Donald, several posts ago you challenged me to 'prove' that I had a past life as Peter.  Peter and I have had a discussion about this and he states that there is no reason for me to have to prove anything. He said that you are baiting me just so that you can knock me down because my knowings aren't the same as your beliefs.

I have been on this forum for several years and took about a year off because of you Donald. I just plain got fed up with your arguing. I came back because I felt that I had more to offer which I have. This used to be a nice, safe place to post. It has changed so drastically with so much arguing. There is a lot more that I could share, however it will be subject to proof and the only real proof is in finding your own answers within and with 'doing' yourselves. If anyone wants to go to the afterlife, there is plenty of help here to do it.

I will be leaving for awhile. How long I don't know. It depends on whether or not this forum advances or declines even more.

About two years ago, Archangel Michael came to me and said that I needed to cut the etheric cord with this forum as it was draining my energy.  I asked him to cut the etheric cord and he did. As I said, I was gone a year and then felt called back. I'm asking Archangel Michael to cut the etheric cord with this forum once more.

Goodbye for now. I love you all so very much although I realize that most of you don't understand or believe this since so many can't even define love here. That's really sad.

In Spirit of ONE,
Mairlyn Maitreya  :(

Title: Re: For Donald and All
Post by black_panther on Dec 29th, 2005 at 6:38am
Marilyn

This Board will be losing a lot of PUL and LOVE when you leave.  

I'll see you at other places.

Irene

Title: Re: For Donald and All
Post by DocM on Dec 29th, 2005 at 8:12am
Marilyn,

Don't go unless you have to.  I felt like leaving at one point, but things changed.  You and I both know, it doesn't matter what anyone believes but yourself.  You are a light on this board; an advanced soul who cuts to the chase, and makes insightful comments for the less experienced.  The board wouldn't be the same without you.

If Don challenges a belief and you don't feel like addressing it, don't.  Its your business, not his.  I don't mind debate, except when it gets nasty, or with the zealots who will go on and on but not truly debate.

But stay for the less experienced and knowledgeable among us.

Matthew

Title: Re: For Donald and All
Post by roger prettyman on Dec 29th, 2005 at 10:35am
Matthew,

Well said - I second that. It would be a great shame to see Marilyn leave. As I`ve said before, she has a very wise head on her shoulders and speaks words of wisdom.

Best wishes, roger  :)

Title: Re: For Donald and All
Post by recoverer on Dec 29th, 2005 at 11:53am
Marilyn:

In a way, since it isn't moderated, this forum is similar to the planet earth. All kinds of viewpoints abide here. The thing is to provide visitors with options, so that within their hearts, they'll choose the option that feels best to them.

Title: Re: For Donald and All
Post by PhoenixRa on Dec 29th, 2005 at 3:23pm
 Just wanted to say that i love you Mair, always have and always will.

To repeat what DocM wrote, who caress what others are doing or not doing, and what they think or don't think about you?

 Express, express, express! :) ;D

 This is a very important time to be as active as possible in any way you can.

 Much Love,
 Justin

(ps and thank you for being there for me, when most weren't)

 

Title: Re: For Donald and All
Post by Vicky on Dec 29th, 2005 at 3:29pm
Mairlyn, I would hate to see you leave.  You may not know how much you help here.  I love you!  You have always been an inspiration.   :-*

Title: Re: For Donald and All
Post by DocM on Dec 29th, 2005 at 3:31pm
Don,

our own experiences may not stand the scrutiny of factual conversations, especially as we here that much communication is either telepathic or symbolic.  

I also leave the door open for connectedness based on tapping into the universal subconscious (or the all that is).  Again, this may or may not yield factual data.

But if Marilyn says she was told not to get into this minutia, then why ask?

Matthew

Title: Re: For Donald and All
Post by recoverer on Dec 29th, 2005 at 4:19pm
I don't see why Marilyn has to prove it. People can believe what they want to believe, or they can admit that by not being Marilyn, they don't really know.

Title: Re: For Donald and All
Post by Spitfire on Dec 29th, 2005 at 4:51pm
It was a simple request zerko made, and "peter saying...he's just goating you. could be true, but if you had the details then he could'nt, could he?

and btw zerko, you talk about "adequately verified experiences" how many times you talked with god?, but you still belive he's there. So i dont know how you can take the piss.

Anyway, marilyn you have the same right as everyone else to post, we may argue disagree alot, but at the end of the day we both deserve our say, and i would'nt let anyone push you around. Create a good cause, fight the good fight, and never surrender. :)

Later
-spit-

Title: Re: For Donald and All
Post by DocM on Dec 29th, 2005 at 5:09pm
Don,

I don't see why it has to be all or nothing for either of you.  You should make valuable insights to the thousands on this board, as should Marilyn.  If you could refrain from the personal stuff, or talk of ghettos, etc. - your points would be just as solid.

The presence of both you and Marilyn is important.  Your contributions transcend any personal issues.

Matthew

Title: Re: For Donald and All
Post by Rob_Roy on Dec 29th, 2005 at 5:20pm
Don

Once again the tunnel vision of your selfish arrogance brooks no light of Love or compassion. Even so, I agree with Matthew that your presence is important. It's unfortunate, though, that that same unregenerate presence pushes away the dear soul that is Marilyn.

Bob

Title: Re: For Donald and All
Post by laffingrain on Dec 30th, 2005 at 8:53am
I used to get bugged by Don's challenging nature too Mairlyn..then i always thought about what u said..one time u sent me an email..u said "release."
release the bad energy. for me it was like hurt. when I saw just that one word in my email...I mean u are not what I consider a wordy person but u don't have to be..the word had power in it..it knocked me off my feet by spirit in you to me.

I just wanted to thank you for emailing me, u know I feel u are my sister and I have always been connected to you for years now.
even if u weren't Peter in another life, it wouldn't matter a bit to me. but u could have been you know? whos to say?
does it matter in the end?

this issue of reincarnation is a hard subject to discuss publicly. my personal evidence for it does not matter much to those who do not accept we may return many times to this earth to "get it right."
my evidence is just my experience soley and I savor the experiences as you should yours but proving it? Proof is something they try to do in a lab experiment. we're just people here with a lot of words to throw around.

our experiences are basically what make us who we are, and you my dear are very supportive of people and give of yourself. I've not seen you say a harsh word to any. I like that as you invite sharing, not shut it down as some do not invite us to share, saying we have no proof so may as well get off the board then, right? you have much support here, so maybe u might change your mind.
my belief in reincarnation stems from an astral visit from my daughters about 7 years before they were born. I saw them and heard them as adults, the 3 of us had been together many times in another time/place. next thing I knew, I had these little babies in my arms..doesn't even matter about the other place and time, just matters we are together. proof? nah...just in my heart.

reincarnation I look at as having this disc thing with different personalities in it, I was this, that, and this...and those memories slowly bleed into the present life, just enough so I wont have my individuality in this life overwhelmed with that other. but in my core, I was always me bumbling along and always trying to get it right by loving and caring about others as much I could. messed up sometimes, got it right sometimes. and I see you keeping to love and keeping to what u believe is true..so you were right to post your feelings and thoughts here, thats all I want to say that I am proud to know you.
love, alysia

Title: Re: For Donald and All
Post by Lucy on Dec 30th, 2005 at 1:07pm
There is an old technique I have heard of to imagine you are talking with someone who is an authority on a subject (better done alone or at least with a cell phone to your ear). I heard of this years ago. It can yield useful information if practiced well. I suppose it is a way of tapping into the collective wisdom. Or maybe you really do talk with that person's spirit. What do I know. I just don't care. If Marilyn wants to talk with Peter and Michael, that's fine with me. She's never done anything to personally hurt anyone as far as I can tell.

I can understand Marilyn's sense of being drained because a couple of times I have seen Don not just challenge Marilyn but in my opinion attack her. I felt the intent was to hurt, and I wasn't even the recipient. There was a post here yesterday(?) that has been removed that exemplified that. Was it removed because it was offensive or because removing it would make any response to it look foolish? Why should Marilyn stay if she's just going to be attacked again?

In addition, it seems to me that we aren't allowed to request the same level of proof in the other direction. In my world, a mother who can see only the whites of her child's eyes is delusional; I can't distinguish her from Andrea Yates. And where is the publication in a medical journal about restoring a sliced off finger without a scar by using prayer? The arguments seem one-way. and I bet I wouldn't be the first to suggest that Malachi Martin was delusional.

For those of you who are dazzled by brilliance, may I reccomend to you Jacob Needleman's A Sense of the Cosmos, where you can find a good discussion of the difference between Brilliance and Attention. You might learn something.

Title: Re: For Donald and All
Post by DocM on Dec 30th, 2005 at 1:27pm
Strong points, Lucy.  Very little in life is verified proof.  Talk of Swedenborg and verifications from centuries ago may or may not have other explanations, and certainly is far beyond our investingating now.  Yet Don gives more credence to ES because of the historical record (which or course can either be true or false, or seemingly true).

I admire Don's search for the mystic with the mostest, so to speak.  The most verifications.  Ultimately, we are all going to experience the afterlife on our own.   We don't take any texts with us or how to books.


Matthew

Title: Re: For Donald and All
Post by spooky2 on Dec 30th, 2005 at 7:30pm
Hi Mairlyn,
always good to hear the inner voice, and when yours tells you that some posts have a bad effect to you, then it's consequent and hopefully makes you feel more comfortable if you leave this board for awhile.
You can come back anytime can't you :-) .
So if you leave: Bye Mairlyn, thank you and see you,
if you stay: Hello again!
Spooky

Title: Re: For Donald and All
Post by Chumley on Dec 31st, 2005 at 1:09am
There is an old technique I have heard of to imagine you are talking with someone who is an authority on a subject (better done alone or at least with a cell phone to your ear). I heard of this years ago. It can yield useful information if practiced well. I suppose it is a way of tapping into the collective wisdom. Or maybe you really do talk with that person's spirit. What do I know. I just don't care. If Marilyn wants to talk with Peter and Michael, that's fine with me. She's never done anything to personally hurt anyone as far as I can tell.

I can understand Marilyn's sense of being drained because a couple of times I have seen Don not just challenge Marilyn but in my opinion attack her. I felt the intent was to hurt, and I wasn't even the recipient. There was a post here yesterday(?) that has been removed that exemplified that. Was it removed because it was offensive or because removing it would make any response to it look foolish? Why should Marilyn stay if she's just going to be attacked again?

In addition, it seems to me that we aren't allowed to request the same level of proof in the other direction. In my world, a mother who can see only the whites of her child's eyes is delusional; I can't distinguish her from Andrea Yates. And where is the publication in a medical journal about restoring a sliced off finger without a scar by using prayer? The arguments seem one-way. and I bet I wouldn't be the first to suggest that Malachi Martin was delusional.
***************************************
Let us not forget the URBAN LEGEND Don posted to me (the "Acme construction company moving mountains" story, sure enough I found it, word for word, on Snopes.com..!) when I requested an account of act of Christian faith which, as the Bible says, can move mountains...
Yes indeed, it does go both ways... the mainstream religionists need to put their cards on the table if they expect you people to do so (whether it's Mairlyn or anyone else!)

B-man

Title: Re: For Donald and All
Post by Raz on Dec 31st, 2005 at 1:30am
"Donald and all?"...heh this thread as fantastically amusing! is one reaction.
and, it seems... This is the time of year of getting fed up with group psychology.    >:(

I can count at least five experiences in the past five weeks where people claim to bow out of groups their involved in,
heh

Title: Re: For Donald and All
Post by Berserk on Dec 31st, 2005 at 3:31pm
Brendan (alias "B-man"/ alias "Chumley")

Don't believe everything you hear!   Besides ridicule, your "urban legend" website offers no evidence that Nancy Dorner's account entitled "Mountain-Moving Faith" is an urban legend.   Another alleged urban legend on that site has an even more spectacular real-life parallel: "Man contemplating suicide asks God for a sign and receives a phone call from Almighty God."  My Dad has talked to a woman who verifies a similar but more impressive parallel experience by her pastor-father when she was a girl!  She was actually present at the scene.  I think I'll post what happened on my thread "A Recent Healing of a Cripple."  

Another alleged urban legend is entitled "Lightning Strikes a Church during a Sermon after preacher identifies thunder as the voice of God."   I once pastored a rural Methodist church next to two large trees.  Both trees were struck by lightning within a short period of time---a good thing because otherwise the church might have been burnt down!   I had a lot of fun with that in my next sermons!  Wow!  I feel like I'm on a roll.  Here are some more bizarre incidents.  

One Sunday in that same church,  the voice of the lady next door came through my microphone while I was preaching.   Somehow our sound system was wired into her phone line!  She was quite a crude lady and had no idea that her call was being monitored by a good crowd.   By coincidence, her comments functioned well as a direct critical reaction to my sermon!   So I argued with what she said and the congregation howled!   When she later found out about our eavesdropping, she was absolutely mortified!  

In my first church, the lady in charge of Communion waited too long to buy the grape juice and the store was out of it.  So she bought prune juice instead and put it in our communion glasses.   She never bothered to tell anyone!  So when the faithful came forward to receive Communion, there were some stunned expressions on their faces.   I mean, it's one thing to use a substitute.  But when you're expecting the taste of grape and you get prune--bad scene--funny but bad!

When I was a kid, the woman sitting in front of me in church had an unusually large hair-do.  Noticing this, a large spider thought this was a great place to spin a large web.   It actually looked like a nice wedding veil on her head.   Only after the spider was finished did the lady find out about her new attire.  Her reaction was priceless.

One hot August, a cat wandered through the open front door into the sanctuary in the middle of the service.  The cat got its tail caught in the fan on the floor and her yelping leap towards the front scared the ladies sitting there to death!

Don
   


Title: Re: For Donald and All
Post by PhoenixRa on Dec 31st, 2005 at 5:40pm

wrote on Dec 31st, 2005 at 1:30am:
"Donald and all?"...heh this thread as fantastically amusing! is one reaction.
and, it seems... This is the time of year of getting fed up with group psychology.    >:(

I can count at least five experiences in the past five weeks where people claim to bow out of groups their involved in,
heh


Hehehe Guilty as charged!

 Actually, the reason why i came back was cause i realized that it doesn't matter one whit how people think of me, or even if they respond.   I'm here to express, express, express, and darn the rest.

Title: Re: For Donald and All
Post by Sasuke on Dec 31st, 2005 at 6:07pm
*sigh* Man, I hate it when stuff like this happens.

Nobody should be scared off because of somebody else. This forum's not great for relationships, even though that seems to be the point of it.

Title: Re: For Donald and All
Post by Marilyn Maitreya on Dec 31st, 2005 at 7:18pm
Well, I never really left but have been reading the posts without responding. Thanks to all who emailed me and especially to Bruce who said he was sad I was leaving. After all, it was Bruce's books that really got me into going to TMI and doing retrievals. And he values my input as I know some of you do.

I will be much more discerning in what I respond to. And I know that I don't have to prove anything to anyone but myself.

Donald, I do have to say that your last post had me practically rolling on the floor. For YOU to make ME laugh is a miracle in itself.

I wish you all a very Happy New Year.

http://llerrah.com/newyearwishes.htm

With Love,
Mairlyn ;-)

Title: I'm on a roll too, Don...
Post by Chumley on Jan 1st, 2006 at 6:22am
There's a number of times I should have been
dead.
For instance, in 1996 I was driving back home to Montana
(through North Dakota) and I was admiring the scenery. So much so, I ran off the road.
I sailed into a field, full of 2-foot boulders. Didn't touch one... didn't even get a paint scratch.
(*And I'm a no-good agnostic, mind you.*)
Then there was the time in Wyoming, when I spun at least 3 times on a narrow, icy bridge at about 70 miles per hour. Came to a beautiful, 180-degree, law-abiding stop in the OPPOSITE lane... when by rights I should have ended up at the bottom of a 40-foot ravine.
Or the time when I was 22, out drinking beer on a frozen river. (Don't ask why.) The ice gave way under me, and the current caught me... I should have gone under the ice and drowned.
BUT, there was a perfectly shaped, oh-so-convenient projection of ice I got ahold of, and hauled myself up onto the ice with (BTW, about the ONLY solid area of ice I could see when I got ashore and looked back at where I'd been...)
SO... am I a cat with nine lives? Or does "God" (if he exists) not care about religion and just happen to like me? (That'd be a hoot.)
OR... how about, just like your church not being hit by lightning... (actually not surprising as you had two natural "lightning rods" (trees) next to your church...)
I just lucked out?
"Heaven" Forbid..!

B-man

Title: Re: For Donald and All
Post by Marilyn Maitreya on Jan 1st, 2006 at 10:48am
As I understand it, we all have a lot of possible 'exit' points. Obviously it wasn't your time to leave. Possibly you had more living to do, to complete your life contract???

When I was 9 months old I had whooping cough. This was long before there was an injection to prevent it. I quit breathing and turned blue. My father held me up by my feet and breathed air into my lungs and I survived.

When I was about 6, we were traveling through mountains on a 2 lane road with no guard rails. Just before a hairpin turn, my father 'felt' something was wrong and pulled over. He hitchhiked into town where a baseball game was going on. The only mechanic in town wouldn't leave until the game was over. They finally showed up to tow us back into town where we spent the night in a motel. The mechanic later found that a tie rod was broken and if we'd kept going, we wouldn't have made the turn and would have gone off the road which was hundred of feet down.

When I was 9, our car burned up. My father hadn't parked in the gargage that night but in front of the house. If he'd parked in the garage, alll would have burned, including me.

So I always felt that it wasn't my time to leave then.

I'm very glad that you didn't take one of your exit points Brendan. You must have had a lot more to do in this life.  :o

Love, Mairlyn  ;D

Title: Re: For Donald and All
Post by Berserk on Jan 1st, 2006 at 2:46pm
[Marilyn:] "Peter and I had a discussion about this and he states that there is no reason for me to have to prove anything.  He said that you are baiting me just so you can knock me down."
_________________________________________

Here you provide valuable information.    If you had been able to answer either of my simple questions about Peter's life, I would have been most impressed and would have been eager for more information about your revelations.   So "Peter's" false claim that I was just baiting you decisively addresses the credibility question.  Nothing personal, but I would have reacted the same way if a poster had cleimed to be Napoleon or Alexander the Great.   Verification of your claim to be St. Peter would have provided me with one of my life's most treasured insights.  

Just for the record, let me give you one of the answers.   Some archaeologists look for lost treasure in Egyptian burial chambers.  Others look for the remains of ancient Jewish excrement in first-century Palestinian outhouses.  Ugh!  I guess it's academically legitimate to verify our beliefs about the first-century Jewish diet.  At least these archaeologists have confirmed the common name for these outhouses ("the hand").  Marilyn, I would have been impressed if you (= Peter) had been able to come up with that.   Peter used these "hands" on a daily basis; so he would certainly know the answer.

As I have predicted, you have broken your promise of an extended absence.   In a way, I'm glad because this site well suited to your beliefs and experiences.  But your return a day or so later only confirms what I told you---that you created this thread to villefy me and curry sympathy from "the ghetto" (Boris's term, not mine).   On the other hand, I will keep my promise.  This will be my last post for at least a couple of months.    If and when I return, I will ignore your posts about the Afterlife to avoid causing you stress.  Please resume your former active participation here.  The site should be more tranquil in my absence.

Best wishes,
Don


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