i hate life, i find it cold and depressing. i beg every day the lord will spare me suffering,im 44 now why won't he take me

Obviously you haven't completed your soul contract, plain and simple.
Cheer up. We're never given more than we can handle.

May you feel the blessedness of Christmas and life and realize that you are loved very much.

Blessings,
Mairlyn

yes but some people have it ok.and some don't where is the fairness, the thought of living another 40 years destroys me

Nomad,

As Marilyn says, we are never pushed beyond what we can handle. BUT, what we can bandle increases with experience.  That experience is often painful. We also get tired. You don't have to be 80 to be tired.

Having said that, you could be going through a transformation.  Your pain, your presense on this board, may be signs of that.

I would concentrate on being more patient. Just proceed with simple trust and let things unfold in your life. Few thiings happen without a reason.

Focus on spiritual matters, hold yourself together, and be patient.

Love,

Bob

i didn't asked to be born, ok in your opinion what will happen when im dead

You aren't dead yet and you won't be for a while.  Right now you need to keep yourself together, open your mind and heart, and continue doing your research. Ask your guides for help. If you don't believe you have guides, ask them anyway. Ask God too. Then be patient and pay attention.

Love,

Bob

it's best i die rob, ive been around for a long time
i hate life, whats wrong with that. you have not got what ive got

What have you got?

Nomad,

There is no fairness in existence and the world, but it can be wonderful.  We are all an essence of God experiencing matter and interacting with each other.  Our minds create our individual realities, but we are unaware of this.  Our thoughts create realities, with consciousness writing on the template of a shared field of unconsciousness.  

You may say "that's crazy, I want the best for myself, but I always lose, I always have hardship."  But look at that statement.  Your conscious will has said at the same time that you want the best, but you believe you will have the worst.  And so, we create our realities without realizing it.  But to understand this, truly believe this way the universe works is to know your salvation.

You need to visualize what you want, and address the universe in a confident way.  Saying what you wish is yours, you are thankful for it.  Believe in it.  Sounds crazy, but it works.

Of course there are tragedies that are out of our control, but the power of our minds and our individual consciousness is astounding, and unknown to most people.

Try to experiment with the power of positive suggestions to yourself just before drifting off to sleep or on awakening.  Have complete conviction, without doubt.  Try this for two weeks, and see if you get results.  

You may have issues to work out that have made you tired, and without hope.  I say, try to look at the positive.  You can analyze your life, but you can also push for the positive.

For me, I've tried this method, and it works.  Without having contact with the dead, it has confirmed for me the existence of our souls, as a unique entity that must exist separate from physical reality.  This has changed my whole way of thinking and sent me on a spiritual quest to investigate mind, spirit, consciousness and our true nature.

Best to you,

Matthew

Hi Nomad,

I'm so sorry you feel so sad right now and I guess you feel the only hope that seems real to you right now, which is that things might be better for you in the afterlife.  I really do understand that desire to just be done with all of this and I can't promise you that your life will get better because I don't know you.

However, I'm glad you're still here.  It's sometimes a real struggle in this life and no one can judge how difficult it is for you right now.

Whatever there is in your surroundings which might offer you light, look for it.  Even funny movies (no matter how stupid) or old movies (no matter how old) or whatever is simply different and might lift you out of your environment for a little while.  Great music.  Art.  Anything inspiring.  You may not feel it at the time but if you focus on these kinds of things it might help.

But in any case, we are here and you can always share here.  Many of us have been in despair during certain times, and we know how hard it can be.

Even a person who is relatively happy can have very dark moments.  Wishing you only good things.

love, blink

thank you for your kind replies,i hope im not sounding greedy but i know things will be alright in the afterlife. if there really is one. i can't help the way people see me here

Well, there's three of us at least, and I could name a couple of others, who don't think badly of you. And Doc and Blink are far from idiotic.

Do I understand that you don't want to say what you've got?

Love,

Bob

I should say in all seriousness, Nomad that we are what we think, and we bring to the afterlife what we take with us.  Therefore, thinking of ending your existence will not change your situation for the better.  Far better to understand and improve things now.  Use Blink's advice.   Cleave to life giving humor and activities.  Use my advice, by trying positive thinking to create what you need.  Use Rob's advice.  Ask for guidance and be open.


Matthew

Nomad

You know sometimes life does seem very hard and it seems that we get no relief from our suffering.  

However, if we ask our guides to assist us and keep positive thoughts of our future in our minds - simple positive thoughts that you want some peace of mind at least - things will happen.  

People will come into your life when you least expect it and completely change your way of thinking.  So don't lose hope - keep your thoughts positive and EVERYTHING is possible.

Irene

Irene's right. When you least expect it, someone will come in and blow you away. It could be a soul mate, a spiritual advisor (when the student is ready, the teacher appears), but it will change your thinking. This is one reason why I advise you to be patient.

Love,

Bob

Nomad,

44 is not old.  Have you always felt that your life is bad or is this just recent?  What would make your life happy right now?  (Saying "dying" is not an answer).  

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i didn't asked to be born, ok in your opinion what will happen when im dead

you go to hell, isnt that what you believe?

And time is not linear  - i.e you could just as easily reincarnate in ancient Egypt (if you died today in 2005)
as you could in, say, A.D. 2500...
And there was no limit to how many incarnations you could have...
Eventually you'd get to be a KING (or a pauper, and everything in between.)
And, you'd have these possibilities FOREVER (given non-linear time, as many modern physicists suspect "time" is!)
Me, I'd rather have THAT eventuality than "heaven" any day. (Hell, every now and then I'd get to be a KING, or millionaire tycoon, or even the neighborhood pool hall champ, or Don Juan. Who could ask for more?)

B-man

If you reincarnate, and that is a big "if," you would be only what your conscious mind created.  You would only be a king if either you were randomnly born into that family or if you acted in a way that would merit being a king.

I'm not sure that if my memory is wiped that I am still me.  My essence may have a certain individuality, but personality is built on experiences.
Without memory, there is no personality - just tendencies.  

If my consciousness passes intact into an afterlife, then I will exercise free will in terms of future choices.  The idea of being thrust willy nilly into another existence makes no sense at all.

Our thoughts and thinking process give us freedom, in this reality and in any others.

M-Man

Hmmmmn, M-man,

I think some kings conspire to get an army behind them and overthrow the old king.  Either that or they might kill the heir to the throne.  Or they might marry their cousin....or even their sister in some ancient regimes.

It does appear that there have been many ways to be a king, and many of them are not very "polite," as B-man would say...

but I agree with you, M-man.  

The throne of the imagination is a very powerful one.

blink :)

You say you didn't ask to be born.  Oh yes you did. We all choose whether or not to come into the earth life system (ELS).  You had a group of guides who helped you decide who your parents would be and what you would achieve in this life. Self pity does no one any good.

Namaste,
Mairlyn

wrote on Dec 17^th, 2005 at 10:47pm:

you go to hell, isnt that what you believe?

:-/  >:(

Anyway, Nomad...life has it's ups and downs. Sometimes you have really big ups, and sometimes you've got really big downs, but life almost always works out for the better as long as you put some genuine effort into it, you know? Just keep breathing. If you hate where you are right now, move elsewhere. Make some good changes in your life, see a therapist if you feel that would help you. Just don't give up.

But I'd say infinite reincarnation beats an eternity
in a celibate, buttoned-up-to-the-collar, suit-and-tie goody-goody-two-shoes "heaven" ANY deca-millennium.
I mean, after about the quadrillionth repetition of
"How great Thou art" or the pentillionth "hosannah"
I'd be about ready to yank my eyeballs out by the
roots...
I'd rather just be DEAD, my friend. (What intelligent
person WOULDN'T?)
People don't think about these things. Why? Simply
because they are CONDITIONED from childhood to
automatically feel "sinful" if they entertain doubts
about what the preacher droned into them.
Sad, isn't it?

B-man

B-man,

You are the ultimate in tne endearing anti-intellectual.  You express uourself in cutesy soundbites.  But you almost never engage your respondents' arguments  directly (certainly never mine).  You never read any suggested books that might facilitate meaningful dialogue.   As a result, you cling tenaciously to a crude and discredited stereotype of heaven as an excuse to avoid a reexamination of your life and priorities.  Wake up and smell the coffee!  Or at least spill it on your metaphysically-challenged lap, so that you get mad and actually engage in the parry-and-thrust serious critical reflection.    

Don

Nomad-
Because you have faith and fervor, your prayers are all answered. Unfortunately, you are praying to be dead while still in the midst of life.  Sounds to me like you're getting just that.

The trick is to turn everything around. For example, be sneaky and smile, it will confuse your emotions so that you'll feel better. (Really!) Pay attention to stuff OUTSIDE of you, and let the inside make do for a while, and the crisis feeling will pass. Set your intention on loving everyone, and see how it feels after a few days, even if it seems bizarre to be immersed in love.

The basic idea is that if life isn't fun, you're not doing it right. Make a few changes and don't take anything seriously. Life is far too short to drink sour wine.

d

Hi Nomad,


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i didn't asked to be born, ok in your opinion what will happen when im dead

You did, you know. I hate to break it to you. However, i feel for you. Maybe you can break this loop of depression you find yourself in. No matter what it was what brought this on, remember that you still have Yourself, your Love and you Light, and you can share this with others.
You can look at it like a gift you have, since there is only one of you in this whole world. That makes you pretty unique, don't you think?

Love
Uwe

Uwe,

Awesome reply.

blink

Okay so I see you have plenty of support, I'll be the "bad cop" then.

So your life sucks and you want to die. boo hoo hoo. And here I thought those who lived in sickness and famine had it tough...

So tell me. You want to die because... you lack imagination to find fun activities and join groups that do the same activities as you ? Why don't you stop whining and fix the damn situation !!! You're NOT special and a LOT of people go through and have gone through your situation.

Stop b*itching, start acting.

Now do it !

Is that if I ever REALLY get suicidal (hopefully I won't, but hey, I'll be old, gnarly, and miserable in the not-too-distant future) is to EVER tell anyone, Raphael.
Why? Because people will HUMILIATE you with it. (Like you just did with Nomad, Raphael.)
One thing's for damn sure... if I ever decide to bust a cap in my head, I AIN'T telling ANY creature with two legs and an a$$-hole. Why deliberately set yourself up for abuse (like Nomad here, he's 44 y/o and ought to know better.) What can any of you do for him anyway? I know I can't do anything for him (and at least I'm honest enough to admit it. How about the rest of ya?)
BTW, I don't think you did him any good, Raphael...

B-man

I had classes about suicidal people so I know how they act thank you.

To tell you the truth we CAN'T do anything about it. If he wants to die he'll die. There is always a way. It's his choice after all.

The key to change the situation is to change it by ourself. Whatever the others will do for you, it will change nothing.

You want the truth ? If a suicidal guy goes to a psychologist, the psychologist can't help him. He'll listen to his rantings and if he sees it gets serious he'll call the cops and an ambulance.

And our teacher told us that sometimes these people want to die so much they act like everything is fine. So the hospital let them go away and they put a bullet in their head. It happened once to one of my teacher's client.

The other solution is medication. Someone that is suicidal should take medication. BUT this is a problem too because he will feel a little bit better each passing day. This can give him the strenght to kill himself too. So it's delicate.

It all comes to him. If he wants to die, he will. If he wants to live, he'll fix his life.

ps: I didn't humilate him, I told the truth to wake him up. If he really wanted us to help he would have asked us ideas on how to fix specific problems.

As I've read and studied the subject, Raphael...
I hear those meds are little more than expensive
placebos (and cause neurological damage to boot.)
Perhaps our friend here might seek the services
of an acupuncturist, herbalist, or other alternative practitioner?
Where I live, there is a number of Indian shamans
and sweat lodge ceremonialists (I live a few miles from a fair-sized Indian reservation.) I'm not an Native American,
and I'm skeptical of "magic" as you know. Still, there
are a number of interesting anecdotes I've heard
about such practices. Me, I'd go to an Indian shaman
before I'd see a shrink. At least the shaman wouldn't
POISON me...

B-man

Raphael,

I don't think any of us know Nomad well enough to try to "wake" him up in the way that several people here have attempted to do.  We truly do not know his circumstances.

What if Nomad has an incurable and unbelievably painful health condition?  What if he has a mental illness?  What if he is disabled and living with someone who treats him cruelly?

What if he cannot write much because he has a condition which does not allow his hand to write well? What if he thinks no one really cares?

Do you know the answers to any of these questions? I don't.  I'd like the chance to know him better.  We all care more when we know someone better, don't we?

We really don't know what it's like to wake up and be Nomad every day.  We don't have the facts here. Maybe we won't ever get the facts and we will never really know Nomad.  But at least we will have tried.

blink

>>I don't think any of us know Nomad well enough to try to "wake" him up in the way that several people here have attempted to do.  We truly do not know his circumstances.

True, but that was also my point. I want to make sure he understands that he is currently wasting his and our time.

>>What if Nomad has an incurable and unbelievably painful health condition?  What if he has a mental illness?  What if he is disabled and living with someone who treats him cruelly?

Stop being bothered by that. If he has a problem, he'll ask for help to fix that specific problem.

>>What if he cannot write much because he has a condition which does not allow his hand to write well? What if he thinks no one really cares?

So you are saying someone would like to die because he can't write properly? I think not.

>>Do you know the answers to any of these questions? I don't.  I'd like the chance to know him better.  We all care more when we know someone better, don't we?

Yes but knowing someone doesn't automatically affect his mood and thoughts.

>>We really don't know what it's like to wake up and be Nomad every day.  We don't have the facts here. Maybe we won't ever get the facts and we will never really know Nomad.  But at least we will have tried.

And this is why I'm saying he is wasting our time. If he really wants help instead of attention, he just has to ask for help on specific problems. Now everybody will be able to help him.

There are so many people that need help but I can't help them all. What do I do ? I take the time to help those who want to be helped. We should not babysit everybody that ask for attention. Not only would it not help them, but it would exhaust us.

It comes down to being responsible and ask for help. As a matter of fact Nomad didn't ask for any help right now.

Raphael,

I think Blink is lending us some feminine balance here, even if her specific points may (or not) be compelling.

Bob

And I invite everyone to share their opinion. I just doubt she really tried to help these kind of people before. My mother did and she got sick and depressed. It takes a lot of energy to support people that don't want to improve. When they decide to change, now THAT'S when everyone should care.

Also I invite everyone to list all posts by Nomad. I read them all on one page and there is a pattern. Whatever you all said to him, he keeps his ideas. See what I mean ? Let the guy alone and help him when he'll want to.

I have enough of one suicidal guy on my floor that wants to die. But at least he wants to fix his problems so I'm not wasting my time.

Now my posts were intended to bring a masculine balance to the happy and kind posts you all sent on the forum. I'll add my own relatively "happy" one if it can show you I'm not cold hearted.

-------

Nomad, life doesn't suck and it's not ugly. If you think that, you only look at one side of the coin. You don't hate life, you hate problems. Problems can ALWAYS be fixed. When you are ready to fix them, ask for specific solutions and support and I shall be there. Until then I don't have time to hug you all day long.

Take care.

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As Marilyn says, we are never pushed beyond what we can handle

Sorry but I'm not 100% sure about that.
Sometimes things get pushed to extremes and one has to put them to the back of the head, to make it through the day. In my opinion that isn't coping, that is the alternative to suicide.
And when you end up living in a paralel reality because your life is too horrible to endure, the universe still keep throwing things at you, even though you crossed your limit miles ago :'(. Yet right next to you there's someone whose only worry is what's on tele tonight. :(
Could misery be allocated randomly? It's possible, otherwise I don't understand why good things keep happening to people that don't deserve/appreciate/need them.
Oh hello everyone by the way... ;)

Raphael,

I'm just saying it's only "polite" and not necessarily "feminine" (as Bob so kindly put it) to ask someone about themselves.  Not everyone is going to volunteer that kind of information unless they feel very welcome.  I understand that.  Maybe it's a "Southern" thing.  Just because someone has the courage to come here doesn't mean they will express themselves in a manner in which you would prefer.

However, I see your points and I don't disagree with them.

blink

Hi again, Nomad-

I often have people come to me with complaints like yours. The point at which I start is usually asking whether you actually want to destroy yourself, or do you actually want to get out of an uncomfortable phase of experiences so that you can be more comfortable.

The difference is whether or not you are upset with the actual process of living, or whether it's the circumstances surrounding it that has you ticked off. If it's truly that you abhor living, that's very simple. Just hold your breath. (Most people discover that actually they don't really want to hold their breath, and they start breathing again.)

If the problem is that you are having uncomfortable experiences, then actually the first thing to notice is that you do not actually feel suicidal, but angry and perhaps depressed and frustrated as well, at having crummy things happen. That's a good way to feel, because it will motivate you to make changes. Since it will motivate you to make changes, you might as well feel good about feeling bad, and then get on with going through the present moment to the next one, which eventually will be better, so you can feel good about having felt bad in the past, meaning that you can feel good about a future in which things are improving. As you do this, you'll notice that you are feeling a bit heroic.

If you want to speed up the process, look for others for whom you can do things to prevent the stuff that bugs you, and the karmic reaction will also rid you of the same issues eventully.

enjoy-
d