well i was wondering what happens to a person who commits suicide do they still go to the afterlife and see there loved ones? also what happens if someone dies of an overdose do they aslo go to the afterlife or is everything different and not so pleasant?

Well i was wondering what happens to a person who commits suicide do they still go to the afterlife and see there loved ones? also what happens if someone dies of an overdose do they aslo go to the afterlife or is everything different and not so pleasant?
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I wouldn't go there if I were you, Lydia.
I prefer (*NOTE* I said PREFER) not to
believe in Hell...
But if we "make our own heaven/hell", and
if what I've been reading is any indicator...
You will not be in full possession of your
rational faculties after you die. Your subconscious
mind will then have MUCH greater jurisdiction over
your fate... the same subconscious that can cause you to be late for work, or say dumb things, or make you screw up a job interview without you knowing why...
And if it ("the subconscious you") judges the "experiencing you" - that is, your EGO - as
GUILTY, you may well find yourself in a very
unpleasant situation. (What you WON'T know is
that you are doing it to yourself, as your rationality and common sense won't be available to you.)
Ever notice in dreams... especially BAD dreams, how
the most goofily strange things can happen... such as all your teeth falling out, and you keep sticking them back into place or something... and you DON'T even pause to think, HEY... this is impossible, I must be dreaming...
If there is an afterlife, I think that is how it might be, like a dream which never ends.
Now, I'm no Muslim... but Mohammed said that the suicide will spend the rest of eternity killing themself the same way they killed themself to start with (for example, it is told that one of his warriors committed suicide by falling on his sword; Mohammed said that in "Hell", he would mindlessly KEEP falling on his sword, forever. Perhaps Mohammed knew something of the afterlife state... maybe that it IS the dream world, where we don't have access to our common sense?
Now me, I prefer to believe in a sort of no-karma reincarnation (based on infinite recurrence in parallel universes.) BUT... I did say "prefer". I could very well be WRONG.
So whatever you do, I beseech you to choose WISELY, Lydia... I know times aren't good for you
right now. BUT -
*Be Careful.*

B-man

thank you so much for you respone but oh hun it wasnt meant that i would do it I am very sad indeed but i have much more to life than doing such an act i know i will see him in the afterlife when my time has come, well the reason i asked i read  ryans post and read that someone shot themselves and it got me thinking to when my friends brother died we werent  sure if it was an overdose or if he commtted suicide? so it got me thinking of where he might be?

thank you so much for you respone but oh hun it wasnt meant that i would do it I am very sad indeed but i have much more to life than doing such an act i know i will see him in the afterlife when my time has come, well the reason i asked i read  ryans post and read that someone shot themselves and it got me thinking to when my friends brother died we werent  sure if it was an overdose or if he commtted suicide? so it got me thinking of where he might be?
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I'd like to think, that the suicide ends up in the same
place as anyone else. (Maybe even an HONORED place... suicide takes COURAGE, let's face it. It is NOT the act of a "coward." The Japanese Samurai didn't think so, and they were about as far from a coward as you can get..!)
But that's just ME again, I could be wrong. Hell, I probably AM wrong.
AND, I'm not God (that is, of "God" exists... I rather hope "He" doesn't.)
One thing's for sure... if I WAS "God", suicides would have it a LOT better than most religions claim they do...

B-man

We are, and always will be our conscious awareness and beliefs.  If despair causes a suicide, it is clear that the soul will carry that despair/depression with them ; ending life on the physical plane should not change our consciousness from despair to bliss.

If a Samurai was at peace with himself, and due to beliefs committed sepuku (ritual suicide for honor), I believe a very different outcome would follow.  I can not see why he should be tortured or end up in a hell.

Still, it is unnatural for most western people to end their physical lives, and as I said, the conscious awareness and emotions that caused the suicide would be the deciding factor (in my humble opinion).

Matthew

lydia,

I am beginning to think that it really is possible to go "out there" and see for ourselves where people might be.  Even if you don't see your brother's friend in person, someone "over there" might be willing to help you determine where he is and what he is doing.  Might be worth a try just for the interesting experience which could result.  It's rare for me that "nothing" happens when I make an attempt to go "out there" using various methods.  Something interesting seems to show up almost every time, something useful for my own personal knowledge and growth or even something unexplainable which intrigues me.

blink

well its been very hard for me to even make contact so im not sure if i have the will power? or if its me i just seem to get nothing maybe i should bye those hemisync tapes do they really work?

Lydia, if I were going to buy anything, it would be Bruce's 5th book and CD's as they are actual workshop experiences and you do it right along with him.

Hemi-sync is good too in that they put you in an altered state of consciousness.  However, Bruce found a way of going into the altered states without hemi-sync (he started out with them too).

Love, Mairlyn ;-)

famous british mediums have
had contact with souls who
had taken their lives. although it is wrong they are
not punished they are helped

Very true.  Lydia, everyone goes into the afterlife and starts getting help.  Gordon Phinn who posts on this forum occasionally has retrieved a lot of suicides.  He has written a book, "Eternal Life and How to Enjoy It."  I know you'd enjoy it.

Love, Mairlyn

Just as an offer of what I believe happens based on my own mystical nde-type experience and other studies: the person will have a life review, and nobody will be judging him but he will probably feel he failed his mission on earth by committing suicide, and will make arrangements to come back in a similiar situation as soon as possible, which could be within a year or ten years, more or less.

If the person did commit suicide and it was against their religion, then he might feel guilty and could wind up in a lower level of awareness, in darkness and perhaps with others. The best thing you can do for him is to pray for his highest good and see him in the light. so to speak. Your prayer of love would reach him and give him strength.

Best wishes with this.

Peace,

Laurie

Hey Lydia,

Well i have quite a few thoughts on this area, purly just from what I have come to know and accept so their not right or wrong just mine.

First things first if you haven't told him yet just tell him your've accpeted what happened and it doesn't matter how but want him to be at peace. Im sure he is now but sometimes i guess people can feel guity on the otherside and this can hold them down.

But my belief is some spirits specially if they know whats going on will pass straight through and will recieve help and review and grow and they won't feel sadness and everything happens for a reason i believe, I hate to say it espcially recently but I have always believed this.

I do also believe in BST's as well, such as if you strongly disagree with the possibility of an afterlife you may find yourself "sleeping" as you believe you are no more, you just need to be awoken. Depending on believes you may go into various BST's but can be awoken from these or may awake yourself. I also believe this isn't always the case, some people can pass straight through depending on their beliefs so its no rule, I think its down to the person. I even believe some of us here can end up in BST's....like if I died in a car crash and had no idea i might just drive (which would be cool lol) but untill i questioned my surroundings or someone helped me out, or i may know and go straight through.

I don't believe in heaven or hell either, I think these were just made up in a way to make people conform prehaps, or maybe misunderstood from visions, if hell were to exsist it would be in the form of BST's in my view. Not that BST's are bad, some people will carry on partying and drinking and enjoy it but they just haven't really gone into the "afterlife" itself yet. Like chumely said in dreams we do things and wonder why and i believe its the same in BST's, we just don't have to common sense, logic i guess lol.

Well gone a bit off topic sorry but keep trying to make contact, I'm sure he is too if not he will be happy to see you again and you can help him move on. Keep placing that intention because I've had OBE's before unplanned and un-intiated just because I had a strong desire to make contact, experience something, do something out there and suddenly i find myself OBE when have gone to sleep. Although OBE isn't the only way, just my preferred method as you probly know by now lol.

Well good luck and would love to here of any attempts, successful or not, all the best.

Ryan

um ryan sorry but what is a bst?

One of Bruces Terms, Belief System Territory. Like an area which we go to unknowlingly when we pass, its do to with our beleifs so many people can end up in the same BST. They don't know they have past, just living what thye believe in, but its bad in the way for they are stuck and thats kinda what retrivals are for. I think theirs a article called 'Max's Hell' on Bruces articles which gives a good idea of it. I can't seem to explain at the moment sorry, hopefully someone can explain it properly.

Ryan

Ryan explained this pretty good.  I will copy/paste an excerpt from one of Bruce's articles which talks more about this.

The BST's are territories that lie in what he calls Focus 25.  Here is more information from Bruce:

Focus 25
Further from the shores of our physical world is Focus 25, also called the Belief System Territories. Here, people are drawn into an afterlife existence by a structure of beliefs they held while physically alive.

Each area of Focus 25 is like a far-off, isolated island inhabited only by those who shared the same set of beliefs. They have almost no contact with others living elsewhere in the New World of our afterlife. Their surroundings appear to them as real as physical Earth does to us, and supports whatever belief structure they mutually hold.

Devil's Island
Not so many years ago, penal colonies were established on remote islands as a way of isolating criminals from the rest of us. During another partnered exploration with Rebecca, we went looking for Max and landed on the island reserved just for folks like him. Max had been a psychiatrist with a dark side in his most recent lifetime. After death, he was drawn into one of the hells of Focus 25 - the one for emotional sadists.

During his physical lifetime, Max probed your deepest, darkest fears and it didn't matter if you were a patient or a friend: he was always hoping to find something he could later use to inflict emotional pain. For example, say you were a gay City Mayor, afraid your constituents might discover your secret; and say Max also knew a newspaper reporter who feared homosexuals were leading the country to damnation. Max would see to it that the two of you met in a situation where he could watch the excitement. He'd give both of you reason to fear the encounter before you met and then take great delight in watching the fireworks.

At death, Max's way of life drew him to his island hell in Focus 25. To him, this place was real with houses, trees, cars and streets forming a reality indistinguishable from Earth. There were other people there, too, but only those who shared Max's emotionally sadistic nature. During our failed attempt to retrieve Max, I witnessed scenes from his life there. In one, he sat at a secluded restaurant table and watched with glee as two men came to blows over something Max had choreographed. In the very next scene, someone else sat at the secluded table, taking delight in watching two men, Max being one of them, suffering through an emotionally painfully experience.

During this exploration I discovered how people are drawn into these Focus 25 hells, and how they can escape to a better place.

Hollow Heavens
There are other remote, isolated islands in Focus 25 called Hollow Heavens, and on one of my voyages I met a man who'd escaped one. He called them "hollow" because they weren't the real thing, and they described his existence there. He'd been a minister in a small, fundamentalist sect of Christianity during his most recent physical lifetime, and when he died he entered the Heaven he'd preached about. All his needs, food, clothing, shelter and more, were provided for without the need for him to work. There was only one catch: he had to continue to espouse and practise the beliefs he'd preached during his physical lifetime. If he didn't, he was told upon arrival that he could be cast into outer darkness - in other words, sent to Hell for eternal punishment. That was all fine with him, and since he'd been a minister during his physical lifetime he was given a congregation and a church where he could continue to preach and tend his flock.

All was well until a cohabiting couple in his congregation refused to be married. According to the beliefs he taught, a man and woman had to be married in order to live together. But pointing to an incongruity in his beliefs, the couple explained that in the Bible Jesus said no one was taken or given in marriage in the Kingdom of Heaven, and on that basis they refused marriage or separation.

One Sunday morning, in front of his entire congregation, the minister attempted to humiliate them into compliance by threatening to cast them into Hell if they refused a marriage ceremony. The couple stood in front of the congregation and said that, given the choice between going against the biblical word of Jesus or giving up their love for each other, they'd rather be sent to Hell. With no choices left to him, the minister performed the casting-out ritual and the couple disappeared into thin air.

Later, troubled by what he'd done and seeing the incongruity pointed out by the couple, the minister prayed for guidance. Jesus appeared to him, and what He said caused a growing rift in the belief structure that held the minister in his hollow heaven. Eventually the minister was also cast out, but he discovered to his surprise that Hell was not his final destination.

Escape from a hollow heaven island of Focus 25 requires recognition of inconsistencies within the belief structures held by the inhabitants. Leaving there usually results in entry into the Focus 27 realm.

This information was taken from this page.

Hi Lydia-
Doing past life regressions (and occasionally calling up the departed) it seems that people who are suicides have two general qualities. First, if they feel guilty, they go to an unpleasant place that they feel is appropriate. If not, they simply feel relief at escaping. Scond, because they died with a lot of strong emotional attachments, they find themselves back in the same situation all over again in the next life, and they have the opportunity of fixing the problem, rather than abandoning the world.

As an example, a girl complained to me that she was being overworked by her family. In a past life we found that she had been in a family from which she felt she could not escape, and who overworked her so much that she wrapped a sash cord around her neck and hopped out a window. (Awk!) The solution, in this life, was to make different arrangements that took her out of the existing situation, regardless of the opinion of her co-workers,  and allowed her time to work comfortably with her husband, an activitiy she enjoyed.

If you want to work with these characters, Bruce's Book 5 is a good idea. Look for stuck souls caught between wanting to run and hide and feeling guilty because of it. Often I hear about wandering down a lonely path in a cold and unpleasant grey fog. If you have a guide, that might make it easier.

d

Either way you look at it, the vast majority of suicides will return return to earth to live out a life with very similar problems and circumstances. You can look at it like a contract with the creator if you like. There are no shortcuts. We all choose our own life's and perfection scheme's.
However, a return to fulfill your 'contractual obligations' is not a punishment. There is nobody residing in judgement over you. Judging from my own personal journey i know this to be the truth.

Love
Uwe

Perhaps it is true that we choose our life's general circumstances and that we have a general contract when we come to Earth.  I don't know.

However, if so, I don't think we had any way to understand how our moment by moment existence here would actually play out.  How could we have known if we would be able to have the strength and fortitude to go through with it?  We couldn't.

I still have a hard time understanding, just like some others here, why a soul would be "punished" by finding themselves wandering around in a cold grey fog just because they didn't have the strength to finish the contract.  If it's not punishment then it's an odd ending to a very strange story, isn't it?  

Why wouldn't that soul end up in a nice tea room by the fire having English biscuits and reminiscing with some kind soul about what happened?  Or why wouldn't that soul end up having the time of their life on a heavenly cruise ship with all the other suicides with some counseling "sessions" included on the schedule to figure out what went wrong?

This is all so puzzling to me.

Why a cold grey fog?  Why that image?  It makes me want to light up a cigarette and I don't even smoke anymore.

Who created such a place.  I would imagine that here on earth some people actually like walking in a cold grey fog, just for a change, for some quiet reflection.  It might be soothing in a way if someone had some really frazzled nerves.   Interesting to think about, anyway.

blink

Blink,

Interesting questions.  To me, it seems clear.  You experience what you take with you.  If you have enough despair to end your life, and have not had a grueling illness, I think this despair would translate into your consciousness in the next realm.

I don't think this means any suicide would be the same.  But people end their existence when they don't see a way to go on.  They are usually far away from being balanced, and knowing their inner divinity.  Thus, it goes to a darker realm, for many.

Is it possible for a person to take their own life in a calm manner and awaken to bliss in the beyond?  I don't know.  Somehow, the focus, concentration and consciousness would have to overcome much.


Matthew

Hi Blink,

"Why wouldn't that soul end up in a nice tea room by the fire having English biscuits..."

I guess that if a soul leaves the physical and wants that what you (in a nice way) wrote, then the soul will get it. This grey and gloomy, angry and feary etc. surroundings/states comes from the overwhelming domination of imaginery of just those surroundings and occurances. The problem you mentioned of course remains. How to get them out, (if it must be that they get into this). In Michael Newtons second book (I read only this) the idea of guidance is very strong. But even he, when I remember right, mentioned those hellish states, but also that it is a kind of therapy- a hard one for the hard ones, but, it's true, poor people, it makes sad.
Spooky