This thread was inspired by Spooky’s thread located here:
http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-afterlife-knowledge/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=afterlife_knowledge;action=display;num=1132891653

Spooky asked:
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Are there any similarities with your experiences of consciousness levels or with the eastern five-level-system or any other systems?

Hi Spooky,

Yes I think there is much similarity to what I have seen and understand about the different levels of our being.  My feelings about these creative energies are from a healing perspective and based on my personal experience and understanding of them.  I feel there are 10 of these levels existing in four dimensions in which we as human beings exist.  We usually talk about these as being separate but in actuality they are not.  Beginning with the deepest spiritual level, each penetrates down through each of the others to the physical body.  In other words, each has an affect as it penetrates downward to create the physical.

I’ll also mention that I believe everyone incarnate is on a healing path regardless of his or her customs, religious or so called new age beliefs. To me, this seems apparent. Everyone is a healer and has healing abilities inborn within them regardless of whether or not they label themselves as such.  This is our birthright and it is something that is not separate from us. Nor is it something esoteric or beyond anyone’s reach. I believe that at the collective whole of universal purpose consciousness of intention, where there are no adversaries, healing ourselves is an inborn purpose for each of us.

I also believe that scientific evidence exists where bioenergy fields have been measured with devices such as the EEG, EKG, SQUID, plus light and electrical sensing devices, etc. Many studies have shown that the bioenergy field is directly related to our physical body and that the patterns of the body’s electrical field change with the physiological and psychological changes as we experience these. One study that I found particularly interesting was one done by a nuclear physicist, Dr. Robert Beck who measured the brainwaves of healers from all over the world and found that all healers exhibited the same pattern of about 8 Hz while these people were giving a healing regardless of what their individual beliefs and customs were.  There are many studies, but Dr. Valerie Hunt from UCLA and Dr. Andria Puharich are two others that I’ll mention. Dr. Puharich was consistently able to measure an 8 Hz magnetic pulse coming from the hands of healers.  That’s all I’ll mention since this will be a long post anyway.  Google to find more info if your interested.

I consider the first level of our being as the body manifested in the physical world, which I think can be related to what is sometimes called the first dimension.  The physical world is held intact by the energy and consciousness of the deeper levels, which again are not really levels because they interpenetrate from the spiritual downward to the physical.  The rest of the levels make up our creative energies in which I believe exist in 3 deeper dimensions. Each of these levels exists at subsequently higher frequencies of vibration and each appears to serve a specific unique purpose when considered as a piece of the energetic matrix.

The second dimension is the energetic matrix or structure from which the physical is formed and carries the energies of our personality and all of the feelings we have. This is what is usually considered the levels of the auric field in association with seven major chakras.

The third dimension is where our intention originates or where we hold our intentions.  Our intentions are incredibly important in the creative process. When our intentions are aligned with our self and others we tap into tremendous creative ability in which we also align with universal purpose where there is no adversity. I consider this as the ninth level and at a deeper dimension than the auric field as associated with the seven chakras.

The fourth dimension or the tenth level is what I call our divine essence or higher self.  This can be likened to the probe of curiosity described in Bruce’s books.  It is the divine inner source within from which all of our human creativity flows. I have come to believe that it is at this core level of our being where we are able to consciously hold our “humanism in a warm embrace” and thus allow the free flow of energy called PUL to up well and penetrate downward through all of our creativity. I’ve mentioned this before, but at this point I don’t believe PUL is emotional in nature, but is neutral energy of our core essence that when flowing freely down through all levels of our being feels very pleasurable and good to us and thus we have labeled it pure unconditional love.

As the energy of our core up wells and moves downward through the next dimension of our intention it’s consciousness becomes either negative or positive pleasure in expression depending on the intention from which it passed through, which is why anger or rage can feel just as good as positive pleasure such as that of expressing gratitude for example.  It’s the movement of the energy itself that feels good when it flows freely in expression. I think the consciousness of intention is based on belief and that the dual nature of this doesn’t actually manifest in the physical until after the energy passes through the heart chakra level which I consider to be the bridge connecting the spiritual levels with the physical levels.

Second Dimension – Levels of our aura
The second level of our being is what is sometimes called the first level of the energy field that surrounds us. It is usually associated with the first chakra. The color of the aura of this level is most often a light blue or aqua blue and extends up to an inch out from the skin.  This level is sometimes called the etheric or the physical level of our energy field because there’s a direct correlation of what we feel in our physical body. For example, if a local anesthetic is given to numb the skin, the pulsating aura of this first level will stop flowing in that area until the anesthetic wears off.  Seeing things like this is actually pretty cool and with practice I think anyone can see this level of our being in action.  

I think healing has much to do with meeting our own needs from both a physiological and psychological perspective on each level of our existence.  To be healthy on this physical level we need to have the pleasure of feeling our physical body and enjoy all of the sensations of our body such as those we experience with our senses of seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting, touching, a sense of strength and vitality, physical activity such as exercise, physical contact, sexual pleasures, sleeping, eating, etc.  How many of us don’t always get enough sleep or eat healthy food or have enough contact such as touching another human?  Not meeting these kinds of physical needs weakens this level of our being.

The third level of our being or the second level of the energy field is associated with the second chakra and the emotions we have or feel for our self.  The movement of energy through this level directly correlates to how we feel toward our self. All colors or energy are found in this level.  Bright and clear colors usually indicate positive and loving feelings toward self.  Dark clouded colors indicate negative feelings toward self.  Our primary needs on this level are to feel comfortable with and enjoy our emotional relationship with our self. A favorite affirmation of mine regarding this is “I love me just the way I am, no matter what way that may be.”

The fourth level of our being or the third level of our field that I associate with the third solar plexus chakra is our intellectual or the mental activity level. The healthy aura of this level is a light lemon yellow.  When this level is in balance, then our rational and intuitive mind work together as one and our mind is clear and in a learning type of mode.  When these three physical, emotional and intellectual levels are all balanced, there’s harmony in the way we think and feel and our experience is having clarity, wisdom and sensing that which is appropriate.

The fifth level of our being or the fourth level of our field is associated with the heart chakra. This level is all about our relationships and like the emotional level contains all colors.  I consider this to be the bridge between the three physical levels and the next three spiritual levels. Our needs on this level are to have all kinds of healthy interactions and relationships with other people and the things of the world.  It is also my feeling that as the energy moves down through this level into the three physical levels of the energy field that duality is created.  One experience I had that leads me to believe this is that when my father passed on as he left his body the three lower physical levels of his energy field dissolved and all that was left were the higher ones.

The sixth level of our being or the fifth level of our aura is the associated with the throat chakra and is the spiritual template for the physical level of our field.  It’s also blue in color, but more of a darker shade than the first aura level. What this looks like is a bit complicated because of its purpose, which is basically divine will manifested into physical form.  This level is one of symbols and has the feeling of powerful will and purpose held within it. If we are healthy on this level our life is orderly because our will is functioning well and we feel connected to our greater purpose in life whatever that may be.

The seventh level of our being or the sixth level of our aura is associated with the brow chakra and looks like beams of light that are all the colors of the rainbow extending out a little over two feet from the body. This level is where we experience divine love and spiritual ecstasy, joy, and bliss.  We reach this level through meditation, listening to music, chanting, watching the sunset, etc. and we experience a great spiritual expansiveness that encompasses the entire world and all beings in it.

The eighth level of our being or the seventh level of our aura is associated with the crown chakra, is egg shaped, golden in color and extends three feet or so from the body.  This level of the aura serves as a protector of everything within it. Sometimes people will say they need their three feet of space… I think that’s because of the protectiveness of this very strong aura level, which prevents energy from within the field from leaking out and also prevents undesired energy coming into our field. It is on this level that we have creative ideas and clearly understand and grasp the broad concepts of our spiritually divine existence and the patterns and purposes of life itself.  

Third Dimension - Intention
The ninth level of our being is the level of our intention or where we hold intentions according to our beliefs. It is the level where the hara is located, as well as what is called the high heart or soul seat.  The hara is considered the center of power and is located in the lower belly.  The high heart is located between the heart and throat chakras. At this level of consciousness is a white line with a golden hue that begins above the head and runs down through the center of the body down into the earth and passes through both the hara and the high heart. I believe this is the central channel in which vital life energy runs. This level brings to us our passion for accomplishing the things we want in our life. This level carries our life’s purpose for this incarnation. It is where we will find our deepest longing to accomplish all that we want to accomplish.

Very few people are able to hold this line straight for any length of time, but when we do we are synchronized with the whole. On a physical level when our intention is aligned we have a strong sense of personal purpose and integrity because we are synchronized with universal purpose.  This feeling is one of complete freedom because there are no adversaries. When this line of light is straight and in alignment our intentions are clearly defined.  This alignment begins with self-intention and expands to include groups.  For example, if you and a group of people have a project that you are working on together and everyone’s intentions are aligned, the project will flow freely and smoothly to completion.

On the other hand, people who take adversarial positions could not possibly be in alignment because universal purpose has no adversaries.  People who are in alignment automatically align with others who are also synchronized with universal purpose.  The like attracts like principle.  The straighter we hold this line of light, more aligned we are with our purpose, the more positive intent we have and the reverse is also true… to the extent we are not aligned, it is in that exact same degree that we have negative intent.  For example, people working on a project whose intentions are not in alignment may have one person doing sloppy work, another person procrastinating and everyone arguing.

I think one of the reasons we are not able to hold this line straight and create the things we want is because many times we have cross-purposes consisting of contradictory beliefs that cause us to have intentions that are unclear, mixed or opposed to each other. In the moments where we are truly unified beings, we are merged in and synchronized with universal purpose.  To some this may appear as passivity because of the lack of adversity, however, it is not.  It is the emergence of both active positive intention aligned with passive universal purpose which manifests in a complete sense of free flowing energy felt within the physical being as PUL and that of having a great sense on oneness with all that is. The energy which up wells from our core is always in movement downward through all of the levels of our being.  

This past year of so I have started to learn more about this level of our being and I have started to think that this level of intention carries much more than what I had originally thought. I think this level of our being carries our reason to be incarnate or the purpose of our incarnation. I think it also may carry consciousness of intention that makes us and all beings of the earth what we are.  For example, why is a maple tree a maple tree and not an oak tree? Why is a rabbit a rabbit and not a mouse? Why are some babies male and not female?  Of course we explain this genetically from a physical perspective, but all that is created, is created with specific purpose from the higher spiritual and I’ve started to think that this is the level of consciousness that carries the intention of purpose to create this basic nature of all things.

Fourth Dimension – Our Divine Essence
The tenth level of our being is the level of our divine essence or our innermost core that is often thought of as our higher self. When I’m able to raise my frequency of vibration to this level people look like beautiful shining stars or what I have called Lights of Love because that is what this level feels like to me. Everyone is a beautiful, divinely unique light of love shining brightly.

This is the level from which the movement of our essence up wells and flows from.  When we meditate and look within this is the level we are reaching from which all of our goodness flows and we recognize it easily as we have known it since birth. It is the source of our creative energies. It is our most reliable guidance because it is full of wisdom, courage and love. No negative experience can really taint or contaminate this part of us, however our negative experiences can shroud or cover it so that we don’t recognize it clearly.

Everything we have ever done in our life has arisen from the consciousness of our divine essence and it always carries positive, unqualified divine intentions with positive, unqualified pleasure as it flows downward.  As it moves through the levels of our being to the physical every act, everything we have created has flowed from this source. When these divine creative energies flow directly and freely down to the physical we create health and healing, and we feel the tremendous joy of being alive in the physical world.

Conclusion
My understanding of these ten levels of our being is a result of my life’s work or my deepest longing to know and understand who we really are. I think I have only just begun to answer this question for myself as I continue to learn much every day and in every moment of my life. Are there more levels and dimensions of our being and can we experience these while physically alive? That’s one of the questions I have that keeps me intrigued with these afterlife boards. From what I have seen people write about, I would say yes we do exist in other levels and dimensions and I wonder how the experience of things like NDE, AP, retrievals, the Monroe focus levels and of course Bruce’s work is related to my experience of the vibration levels I’ve described here or are they related at all? A lingering question that I have is regarding the Monroe focus levels of vibration and how they may be similar or not similar to my experience of the higher frequencies.  It is in this way that I continue my search.

The above levels that I’ve described are condensed from my book, which should be online sometime next year for those of you who would like to know more.  In it I have gone into much greater detail of my experiences and how all of these are related to answering the question of who we really are both as physical beings and as spiritual beings.  I also believe that much of what I have described here is related to our shift in consciousness or what some call our ascension. One thing that I have concluded, is that what has been called salvation is within each of us regardless of our culture, customs, religion or new age beliefs. Salvation appears to be what I call the healing process that comes directly from the healer within each of us, which is our divine core essence.

Much love to all,
Kathy

wow Kathy! blow me down girl! online next year? I had no idea you had gotten your notes together as last I heard you were just considering bringing it all together..and I'm thrilled beyond compare what I'm reading here! :D I found something in this to help me with my own book btw...it was about the way we shed off lower levels of our being upon death..so thanks, I still meditate on this a great deal when I consider who we are here. I very much subscribe to KISS. (keep it simple silly) in my premise or intention of my own writings. I needed your insight dear friend. embracing our humanism, Tim, that's so relevant to me..it's like my affirmation as I go thru life. when I look back, it always has been my affirmation.
I'm amazed to be here really at this time in history. I'm astounded really at all I see going on! we seem to be growing by leaps and bounds into areas both technical and spiritual as the two come together.
thank you for mentioning Kat, that healing is within everyone's grasp, no matter what the condition..it seems to be a very real choice of the individual and therefore as natural as falling off a log.
I look forward to a future where we all express a healthier society which embraces all life and consequently, very low health insurance premiums! as each person begins to heal themselves and accept their healing.
in the meantime Kathy's words are an offering from her heart and I embrace you totally Kathy and stand in the same space you stand in (namaste!)

I give my feelings away today...just gratitude mixed with relief...like a burden just lifted. cheers and salutations, alysia
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Thank you for this Kathy. ;-)

With Love, Mairlyn

  Twas interesting and made some good points.
Am still confused about this idea though,
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"On the other hand, people who take adversarial positions could not possibly be in alignment because universal purpose has no adversaries.  People who are in alignment automatically align with others who are also synchronized with universal purpose.  The like attracts like principle.  The straighter we hold this line of light, more aligned we are with our purpose, the more positive intent we have and the reverse is also true… to the extent we are not aligned, it is in that exact same degree that we have negative intent."

 What are adversaries, and adversarial positions?  Things on the outside don't always neatly match on the inside since this is physicality, and physicality is the dimension of both Like attracts Like and Opposites attract.

 Sure, someone's inner consciousness can say, "i have no adversaries, and all are my brothers and sisters in Christ."

 But these same people can have some pretty strong fear reactions, and dislike pointed there way from others.  Every World Teacher, as well as many other Teachers like Martin Luther King Jr. (who must have been a very old Soul) and others like Gandhi, all showed that in the Earth, you can have the experience of attracting those in direct opposition to your degree of Light, with their darkness.  Edgar Cayce is another example, to some extent.

 The more Light, the more darkness will react.  Yeshua's life shown this to a huge exent because his Light was so unbelievably expansive and powerful.

 So, i'm still confused by this concept, of everyone aligning with Like minds when someone gets really intune...

 I think this does happen sometimes with Souls who first experience what some call the 1st Initiation, they have a spiritual purpose in life, and sometimes have developed abilties.

 But their personalities aren't strong enough to deal with such testing circumstances like Gandhi, King Jr., Cayce, Yeshua, etc. were.   So their Higher/Total Selves don't set up such testing situations for them, until they are ready.

 The general rule, especially those who take a Universal leadership type position, is the more attunement to Source, the more testing by one's Total Self so that eventually the dross/darkness will be burned out, and then they can truly serve as Beings of Light and not lead others astray.

 Perhaps, i'm not understanding what you are trying to say, and am just misintrepreting it?

 Thanks for the overeall interesting post

Regarding the advisary question:

On the one hand all of time has already taken place (that's the conclusion I've come to so far), and therefore everything has already worked out so that all beings have found their place with God (perhaps a few got lost**).

On the other hand, part of what caused everything to work out as the illusion of time played out, is that numerous beings took the steps that enabled the above to take place.

I believe that the more a person sees that God has set things up so that everything works out in the end, the more such a person will have a non-adversarial position when working to work things out.

Consider a microcosm of paying attention to God's overall plan. If a person does a retrievel, should he or she yell at the spirit he or she is trying to help?

**I wrote "perhaps a few got lost," because Bruce Moen wrote that some spirits get so lost in darkness, that they get disconnected from their disc and eventually disintegrate. Going by my own experience, I don't know if this is true.

 Recoverer wrote,
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**I wrote "perhaps a few got lost," because Bruce Moen wrote that some spirits get so lost in darkness, that they get disconnected from their disc and eventually disintegrate. Going by my own experience, I don't know if this is true.

I don't have any personal experience with this either, but Cayce's Source talks about a very similar thing.  

 Someone asked, "Is it the destiny of every spiritual entity to eventually become one with God?

A. Unless the entity wills its bansishment...Yet God has not willed that any soul should perish.
reading 900-20

 In another reading, Cayce's Source talks about a Soul bansihing itself to Saturn's forces, and Saturn seems to repesent that awareness of the disintergration of the personalities vibrational co-herent patterns, i.e. true individual spiritual death.

I often wondered about this concept in the Cayce readings, and then was lead to Bruce's book about it, and interestingly, i read his 3rd book before anyother.  So i guess guidance was communicating with me, just subtly.

btw--it seems like Kathy is saying that when you are intune enough and view no one as adversaries, then there won't be any outer conflict in your life, and you will only attract like minds who are in your similar attunement?  Perhaps i'm reading it wrong, but if this is what she means, i have to strongly disagree with this concept, and gave some pretty blatant examples of how off this is and can be...  I do agree that on an inner level, a person can have no adversaries just as Yeshua saw all as One with him, but this didn't stop others and the outer life from being filled to the brim with those who were not in the same attunement, and who really reacted out of fear, etc.

Justin:

Well, hopefully it doesn't happen too often. If I had the choice of existing eternally as a negative being, or not existing at all, I'd rather not exist at all. It's a good thing that there is a much better choice. ;D

I don't believe Kathy stated that there won't be any negative outward circumstances. If anything, she was pointing to how a person would inwardly respond to negative outward circumstances.

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btw--it seems like Kathy is saying that when you are intune enough and view no one as adversaries, then there won't be any outer conflict in your life, and you will only attract like minds who are in your similar attunement?  Perhaps i'm reading it wrong, but if this is what she means, i have to strongly disagree with this concept, and gave some pretty blatant examples of how off this is and can be...  I do agree that on an inner level, a person can have no adversaries just as Yeshua saw all as One with him, but this didn't stop others and the outer life from being filled to the brim with those who were not in the same attunement, and who really reacted out of fear, etc. [/b][/color][/quote]

 Recoverer read carefully what Kathy wrote,
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"On the other hand, people who take adversarial positions could not possibly be in alignment because universal purpose has no adversaries.  People who are in alignment automatically align with others who are also synchronized with universal purpose.  The like attracts like principle.

 Sounds to me, like she is saying exactly what i thought she was?

 Besides, i was just asking for clarification of this, and then gave my beliefs if she actually did mean this.

Justin asked:  
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What are adversaries, and adversarial positions?

Hi Justin,

Adversaries are basically opponents that work against each other in a common goal.  Let me try to elaborate on the example I’m giving.

“On the other hand, people who take adversarial positions could not possibly be in alignment because universal purpose has no adversaries.  People who are in alignment automatically align with others who are also synchronized with universal purpose.  The like attracts like principle.  The straighter we hold this line of light, more aligned we are with our purpose, the more positive intent we have and the reverse is also true… to the extent we are not aligned, it is in that exact same degree that we have negative intent.  For example, people working on a project whose intentions are not in alignment may have one person doing sloppy work, another person procrastinating and everyone arguing.”

Lets say there’s a project that a group of three people are doing where they work. Their boss has given them a week to complete the project and each person has an assigned task.  I’ll just name them A, B, C. Their overall purpose is to complete the project on time as requested by their boss.  If one were to raise the frequency to this level and view the line of light down the center of each of these people, one would see a distortion such as curves.  Lets say that A does sloppy work, B doesn’t like to work at all so puts everything off as long as possible, C does good work and wants to get the project done, but only because C wants to impress the boss and get a raise so C argues with A and B regarding this. All of these people are out of alignment concerning the project in a personal way and therefore cannot possibly be in alignment with the overall purpose because each work at it from the perspective of opposition.

Now if they were to all straighten this line of light at this level of their being, suddenly all of the adversity between them would disappear and they'd work well together for their overall purpose.

This is a difficult dimension of our being to describe especially when trying to put into words how it affects us as our core energy moves through it.

Hope this helps to clarify.

Love, Kathy

Hi Alysia, Marilyn and Albert,

Thank you all for your comments.  I appreciate them.

Love, Kathy :-)

 Hi Kathy,

 Thanks for clarifying that for me.  

Peace

 Kathy, in a non-dualistic reality, aren't those who are "adversaries" or play that "role" temporarily, also necessary?

 For example in the work situation you give, couldn't someone through conflict, disagreement, or tension, actually help others to get their stuff more together in some manner?

 So, should physical Earth just be one big place of super harmonious, agreeing, like minded individuals when the huge majority of its inhabinants are not Source immersed?

 Isn't this kind of missing out on the cosmic point of what physical Earth is for.

 What Soul grows only in complete harmony and like minded situations?

 If there is no challenge, can their be great growth?

 I dunno, i just don't fully get what you mean, and maybe i'm still reading it wrong?

Peace

I see what you’re getting at Justin.  Sure some of our greatest learning and understanding comes from controversy.  This seems like a complicated world in which we live sometimes.  I’m not trying to be flippant, but I just can’t seem to remember what my purpose was thousands of years ago when I first projected into the earth.  I don’t know as though it was ever meant by our higher intention for duality to create the kind of pain that we have all experienced here in the earth.  People have been talking about random events lately… maybe what we’ve all created here was a random event.  

Sometimes I think I have a grasp on higher consciousness, but other times it just sort of blows me away wondering about these things.  Right now I just got home from work and my mind wants to shut down for a while.  I will ponder the questions you’ve asked though.

Love, Kathy :-)

Justin said:  So, should physical Earth just be one big place of super harmonious, agreeing, like minded individuals when the huge majority of its inhabinants are not Source immersed?
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I think its like the idea of we all live here, and each of us have a unique way of our own viewing points....but they are all just singular viewing points. a viewing point by itself is not right or wrong..it just is. each viewpoint is at the same time a limited viewpoint.
in a meditative state, one might have temporarily, a greatly expanded viewpoint which changes their life.
also, we have choice where each one chooses to focus their attention within this life, a singular life. again, not a good or bad choice, just a choice where to focus.
some will focus on creating harmony.
some bandmembers make a dischordant sound and call that groovy. (oh, please!) some kids like that sound. I don't.
as a singular unit, I cannot focus on both forms of music, so I focus where my preference is.
at the same time, I can live and let live, I don't need to be in the same room with another who focuses on disharmony, but I don't need to waste my time judging that they should enjoy my music, but they don't, so don't need to feel threatened if somebody doesn't like my horn tootin'.
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who is to say, who is source immersed and who is not source immersed?
this is a type of folly to say that one can tell who is source immersed and who is not. better to come from an understanding that ALL peoples are source immersed, even if I may have to tell them, they are source immersed, by showing them that I am source immersed. Judgment is mine, sayeth the Lord. leave it to the Lord then, that judgment is His, and steal not what is not yours to steal. another way of saying this is that we all live in glass houses, so is best not to throw stones, or we are all going to end up living in the woods, in bunkers because we have killed each other off.
its what I choose to see in another, is what I will see. even in the killer I retrieved once, I saw what was good in him, and so I did not end up getting myself killed. thats how we make a better world, where we can live in peace even though we are very different people. we can choose to see the good. the word good comes from the word God.
we can focus on the bad, the evil, and this too will show itself then, as true! because we are creators, we are creating our circumstance as well by what we are choosing to focus in on. it is to say...prepare for war, that is what you are creating. lay down your arms, and your life will be extended.

it is all a choice of what u wish to experience with your five physical senses here, but now we begin to develop a 6th sense. to take
adversarial positions is what we do by nature. we even have wars here on Earth and call it good and necessary. my thought is, that wars give us a chance to learn how to die. when you are tired of living and dying over and over again, you come to a place where you want to experience what sublime peace would feel like to experience and be that, just once maybe..just once. it might be a very good thing..it might be an entirely different planet as well. then again, the pleasures and spoils of war are so inbred in us, we may need some help to change our DNA, we may need to be given a vision, if we would stop injuring each other on this planet. :'(

Hi Kathy,
thank you very much for this! It is good to see how much you are aware of through personal experience. I will go through your post again and beheld it, to have a thread for future examinations of my and our reality.

You said we all are on a healing path. It is a very beautiful statement and has in itself healing abilities I feel!
 A thought of mine is, the imagination to be a successful healer of others must have strong attraction even to people with a big ego. It is very much appreciated by most people and one can get much ego feed out of it. But, working as a healer is probably the best way to get rid of a distorted selfish ego! Healing heals, so to say. It's self-referential.
 Recently, I felt disconnected. I had worked concentrated on technical things. When I became aware of my low energy level, I noticed the usual sensations on top of my head had gone. It came back when I focused on it and I felt much more comfortable. Then I suddenly remembered a past life experience I had which included much pain, for others and for me, I thought I was over it, but apparently I was not. The night and the next day I must very often repeat the sentence which came on my mind, "Forgive yourself!". I was told (by myself or guidance or whatever to call it) that the only one who is dragging me down for what I had done in that past life is meself. The following night I was thinking about if I would miss my purpose in my life being the loner that I am (that past life had to do with leaving loved ones alone). I got a message, that even despite of being not very sociable on a physical-to-be-seen level, I nevertheless can and actually do healing work, as everyone incarnated here does it in it's own way, which is to be a channel for energies of the "higher"/spiritual planes. Since I have begun with my mind travelings, I often found myself doing in my mind a thing I called "to become the line", which is, in pictures, like a stretch from the physical to a "higher" level, to provide a connection between these levels to make an energy exchange take place.

Yes, in my view too those levels are not separated. The higher ones include the lower ones. If it is also in reverse, who can tell?

The TMI had recorded EEGs of successful healers and put it in form of audio patterns into some of their HemiSync products ("Healing Frequency").

To try to align Monroe's Focus Levels with your or other systems is indeed an interesting task. I guess the FL are not such hierarchical as it often is presented. They are more guided by purpose than to be thought of enclosing spheres, but just rambling here. Some time ago I came to the level I called in my recent thread "The Mental" and called it back then "The White Level". I came to it from Focus 27. I felt that this is a level of creating visuals for becoming reality on lower levels, but the blueprints came from another "higher" level which I am nearly sure must have been the level of the higher self, the disc, the gathering of all I am. I suppose, Focus 27 is somewhere below but close to the Mental or, in your system, close below 3rd dimension/9th level, Intention. On the other hand, there are these "CWs" in F27, incredible beings, but it can be thought that F27 is not their home place but a place to meet them in a form we can (roughly) understand.

Looking forward to your book,
Spooky

Hi Spooky,

I’m glad you enjoyed my post. And thank you so much for responding.

You said,  “I often found myself doing in my mind a thing I called "to become the line", which is, in pictures, like a stretch from the physical to a "higher" level, to provide a connection between these levels to make an energy exchange take place.”  

I’m so happy that you mentioned this because its confirmation for me that people can sense this connecting line to the spiritual naturally.  When I’ve mentioned this to people before, many have told me much the same thing as you have said.  I think this is wonderful.

Yes, I’m familiar with TMI’s healing series and I participated in their Dolphin program for a few years, too.  I’m glad you mentioned the focus levels being guided more by purpose than the idea of enclosing spheres, as this seems very relevant to me, too. For some reason until you mentioned focus 27 as being somewhere just below the third dimension, I hadn’t thought about that, but I’m thinking you very well could be correct.  

As an observer, I begin to see beings on about the fifth level.  The ones I see and interact with seem to be healing helpers.  Most of these beings are rather impersonal or the serious type.  They only give instructions for the most part, but sometimes they will give me information that they think the person or I should know.  

Thank you again Spooky, you have give me much to think about and I appreciate it.

Many blessings to you in your own journey.

Love, Kathy :-)

I have contacted other peoples guides before and was surprised to get our differences resolved so quickly this way, usually through dream or obe. When this occurs, all the anger, frustration, and all of that just disappears!
then you will be amazed how everything can be cleared up so fast.

Kathy, I'm always thinking about focus levels and you mention 10. was wondering if your guides gave you this information? if I could read about this where you did receive it? if your guides were giving you this, I'll just continue to follow along to gleam what I can. for instance, I wonder about focus level 33 a lot, thats where the "gathering" is supposed to be taking place, where all watch the grand experiment here, what man as a whole will enact or leaven during the shift in consciousness. I'm thinking that I only saw 7 levels in a dream, but sensed that there really was no boundary in the way that our human intellect percieves it, so its very easy for me to engage ten levels and compare them intellectually to my spider web theory, which is really not my theory, but Cozzolino's illustration of a being in the center, who never leaves the center but participates to move from one concentric movement, of, well, resonation factor, like the spider is aware of movement on the edge of his web and the circle of his web encompasses all the levels at once...

kinda mind blowing to consider having your mind spread out that far....but quite a challenge and fun too!
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Hi Alysia,

I believe I have posted my background with Bioenergetics, Pathwork, and Barbara Brennen previously... all of which have influenced my work over the last 20 or so years. There are a few others whose work I follow as well. Though I am no longer active in a Pathwork community, I do continue to follow their work.

Pathwork was founded by John and Eva Pierrakos. Eva passed over many years ago. However, her lectures can be read free on online. Several communities in the US have been established as well as an online community. http://www.pathwork.org/

John Pierrakos and Alex Lowen founded the Institute of Bioenergetics. I found this website on a Google search. http://www.bioenergetic-therapy.com/ Just glancing at it, I think this is the same one.

And Barbara's website is http://www.barbarabrennan.com

One teacher I had was a blackfoot Indian shaman that came into my life for a few years.  His healing ability was astounding and far more advanced than any I'd ever known of. One time he placed his finger on a cancerous tumor and it completely dissolved within seconds. He also always balked when I spoke about healing on the energetic levels of the auric field and chakras.  He taught me that these are only techniques and they are only a means to clear enough of the emotional issues so that you can be in a state of grace.

What we each can do to heal ourselves and help others heal is to align ourselves with the highest Divine Wisdom and allow ourselves to be present in this Divine grace with the energy of hope.  We need to truly recognize ourselves and others and appreciate the essence within each of us.  Divine healing energy then flows directly from the highest dimension of our being and miracles happen that are just as powerful as those told of in days long ago.  

My ideas and thoughts have changed over the years especially when I came across work such as TMI which made me wonder about frequencies of vibration and the experience of these.  Clearly we can access them and there seems to be many levels like focus 33 you mentioned Alysia.  I'm still trying to figure out what these mean for all of us as a whole.  As Spooky mentioned these frequencies do seem to be accessed according to purpose and intention.

Love, Kathy

I am not sure how I feel with regard to auras and chakras - clearly there is a history established for centuries in different cultures that relies on these categories.  So one would should not discount them.  They are subtle and the art of recognition needs to be acquired/learned.  Still, I personally like the simplest explanation for how our essence and reality is set up.

I do believe that in a basic level, it is all about recognizing the divine in us and a state of perfection and divinity in order to heal.  Prayer and intention then may greatly affect the healing process, if done with certain intent.  The healing practitioner must connect to the all that is, and recognize the divine in the person he or she is trying to heal.  The conscious mind must impress its intentions on the subconscious (or the universe take your pick), in order for the healing to occur.

My gosh, I looked at that last paragraph and realize that even a month or two ago, if I'd read a physician writing that, I would have thought that he/she were a nut job!

I am impressed with your system, Kathy.  If I were located nearby, I would love to learn more about it directly.  Still, I have incorporated notions of conscious intent into my medical practice, and I try to gauge whether a person is open enough to take to it.  Surprisingly, most patients are.

All the best,

Matthew

Matthew,

"Still, I personally like the simplest explanation for how our essence and reality is set up."

Something like the Occam's Razor approach?

I think it's difficult, if not impossible, to reach the point were we can understand the essential simplicity of something without going through the process of learning it first. I find that that process is rarely simple.  One often must pass through a crucible of complication and confusion before arriving at the perception of essential simplicity. Everyday practical matters aside, I find Occam's Razor to be essentially useless when dealing with things of a much more mysterious nature where understanding is not easily achieved.

In my perception, healing, the Afterlife, and all their attendant issues have an essential quality that binds them all: Pure Unconditional Love. I'll be damned if I can pull someone off the street and explain that simply, especially when part of that understanding is intuitive.

Reality may be simple in its essense, but arriving at that understanding is anything but simple, and so explaining that to someone is complicated.

Explaining mysterious things to someone is not simple unless that person is already "there."

What say you, Dr. Occam?   ;D

Bob

Occam's razor (?spelling) is - in brief if there is one explanation that ties multiple findings together, or you can come up with several, the one unifying explanation is usually correct.  In conventional medicine it is often true.

I believe that no one can appreciate PUL or our unity with the universe, or our deep connection with each other without going on a spiritual quest, reading, talking, meditating and exploring.  

That being said, many on this board get caught up in different complex systems of thought, or sayings.  The KISS system of "keep it simple, stupid" works for me, but admittedly I have done extensive reading, thinking and meditation in coming up with the current system that I am interested in and using.

I think that modern society places too many perceptual blocks on us.  Somehow, in order to be enlightened we have to unlearn what we learned, and empty our cups.  This is the lengthy process.  Once these perceptual blocks are removed, the simplicity of it all is dazzling.

Doc Occam

Bob,

I should also add that many have told me that the process of achieving enlightenment should be long and rigorous.  Poppycock.   While I don't believe in instant karma (great song by the way) or revelation,  I do feel that it is all about belief and perceptual blocks.  The more open an individual is to removing these blocks, and being open to enlightenment, the quicker it comes.  If I can set my thought and intention correctly, and make a connection - something good is going to hapen.


Thought has energy, has meaning creates all that is.  Words express thought and  are powerful in that they reinforce it.  Understanding these concepts, while not immediate does not have to take a long time, my friend.

Matthew

Matthew,

What you have said here (KISS) is exactly how I feel... lol :-) Took me a lot of years to figure that out though.  

I believe you mentioned you're in the NY area.  I'm sure there are many healers, workshops, etc. in that area.  Brennen has written two books "Hands of Light" and "Light Emerging" The first is a handbook and the 2nd addresses self-healing.  Both have good illustrations of what the aura looks like, but the reason I recommend these is because of how she addresses psychological aspects of healing.  I have not seen anyone relate these as well as she does in her books.  

Another book written by Diane Goldner, "How People Heal" consists of interviews with many healers and has many references listed in the bibliography in the back of the book.

And here's another reference website.  http://www.wholistichealingresearch.com/
I haven't read Benor's book yet.  Did hear a couple interviews with him that were interesting.

I don't think we really have good scientific ways to measure the aura, so we describe this according to religious beliefs and such, which seems to lead to a whole array of controversy.  Perhaps our aura is really a subject for the highly trained physicists to tackle and explain.

Many blessings await you in your search, I'm sure.

Love, Kathy  

Thanks for this interesting topic Kathy and the references.  I plan to use them and incorporate whatever I learn into my medical practice.

I have mixed feelings about the numbers assigned to either dimension, or fields, as you know - but you reported that you began to see auras after reaching a certain point, so I am leaving my mind open, keeping your system in mind as I explore.

I like your outlook as you constantly go back to the essential issues of PUL and unity.  I guess, I am more against a system of chakras, auras, subtle bodies or heavens that subdivides us or our natures without then unifying us again (if that makes sense).



Love,

Matthew

Doc,

"Occam's razor (?spelling) is - in brief if there is one explanation that ties multiple findings together, or you can come up with several, the one unifying explanation is usually correct.  In conventional medicine it is often true."

The definition I was taught: All other things being equal, the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. Yours has more depth. I will adopt it.

"I believe that no one can appreciate PUL or our unity with the universe, or our deep connection with each other without going on a spiritual quest, reading, talking, meditating and exploring."

Yes, I was concerned with the idea that the explanation of all this is far from simple. I mean, really, how do you explain all this to a BST candidate who absolutely has no clue, who is caught up in C1 awareness? Where the hell do you start? This is where I challenge the idea that Occam's Razor is of practical utility in these matters. The individual has to perceive the "multiple findings" first before an explanation can be perceived (or received). By then s/he has already passed through what I called the Crucible of Complication and Confusion so the utility of the providing the underlying explanation has been lost. I hope we are not talking past each other here.  

"That being said, many on this board get caught up in different complex systems of thought, or sayings.  The KISS system of "keep it simple, stupid" works for me, but admittedly I have done extensive reading, thinking and meditation in coming up with the current system that I am interested in and using."

I think you may be onto something here. When we remove blocks and have belief system crashes, what's left? What do we have for structure to organize newer experiences? Nothing, really. This is the problem with dumping religion. The individual is left floundering. I am considering that KNOWINGLY adopting a belief system for structure is not necessarily a bad thing, at least at first. I believe, if memory serves, there are some Sufis who teach exactly this, that the Sufism is found in all the major religions and that Islam is their structure. I think they have a point. A belief system structure can also serve as modality for more focused practical application, e.g. Chakras and healing, without losing sight of the 'one explanation that ties multiple findings together.'  I would add that an individual should only do this under Guidance. Until a new, agreed upon structure is put forth, all we have are the old belief systems (conventional and unconventional) that we can borrow from to organize and process our new experiences for ourselves. Our experiences remain subjective and there is no prepoderance of the evidence we can present in a meaningful way. My intellectual formation is not a developed as yours. I hope you are getting what I mean here.

"I think that modern society places too many perceptual blocks on us.  Somehow, in order to be enlightened we have to unlearn what we learned, and empty our cups.  This is the lengthy process.  Once these perceptual blocks are removed, the simplicity of it all is dazzling."

Yes and no. Profound suffering can hasten this process. I can't understate this.

I have projected my conciousness, my thoughts, and PUL. I can perceive people who have passed, sometimes physically. I have done this without help from expensive tapes or CD's (yes, that was a swipe and a crying out to TMI).  However, I lack a structure. As a student I can't present a coherent, objective, internally structured and believable paper on any of this stuff. Correct me please if I'm wrong about anything I say.

"I should also add that many have told me that the process of achieving enlightenment should be long and rigorous.  Poppycock.   While I don't believe in instant karma (great song by the way) or revelation,  I do feel that it is all about belief and perceptual blocks.  The more open an individual is to removing these blocks, and being open to enlightenment, the quicker it comes.  If I can set my thought and intention correctly, and make a connection - something good is going to hapen."

Agreed. But again, a lack of structure or system (a dirty word around here) presents a problem here. Words like "Enlightenment", and others such as "Psychic", "Ghost" et al. are terms from belief systems and carry their own, unwanted baggage.  We need our own vocabulary, beyond "Focus" this and that. I think this would help remove perceptual blocks and shed beliefs.

As for 'enlightenment' being a long and rigorous process, I suppose that would depend on the individual.

When my guidance tells me something is going to happen, and it does, I've had a revelation. That's another loaded word we need to replace. I've had several 'revelations.' I've verified enough of them to believe those I can't verify, like New Orleans was "cleansed." Does that make me a prophet? He he.
,
"Thought has energy, has meaning creates all that is.  Words express thought and  are powerful in that they reinforce it.  Understanding these concepts, while not immediate does not have to take a long time, my friend."

I never said it did. I know this from limited experience.

BTW, by using loaded words verbally, are we expressing our thoughts with the purity of intention that we desire?

Bob

What loaded words?  As Elvis Costello sang, "my aim is true."

Bob,

I do agree that you can't take someone who is confused in a BST or otherwise, and standing on one leg get them to understand these concepts in a minute or two.  (Wasn't that Hillel, the prophet, who was asked to describe the meaning of the Torah/bible while standing on one leg, and he said "do unto others as you would have them do unto you"  or so the story goes)

I agree with your idea that we need a structural framework to express things with and teach - I think you are right, and in order to help others, we must go through a learning process.

I just feel that many get caught up in the system of others such as Sweedenberg, Cayce, and then defend their system without having had personal verification that it is valid.  Its only by our own exploration like that detailed by Kathy and yourself that we get true meaning.


M

Doc,

Agreed.

Loaded words? Let's see...revelation, enlightenment... these are loaded because they carry baggage. I used ghost and psychic as other examples.

I agree that verification is necessary before adopting someone else's wordlview, and personal experience is best. However, like the religions some of us have passed throught to get to where we are now, these systems may be necessary for a particular individual at this point in their progression so he or she may learn something that is preparation for their next experience. Without talking to their guides, it's difficult to say for sure.

Bob

KISS runs thru this thread, although I changed the last letter to "silly" as don't want to run my self image into the ground too often...been there, done that! ;D

so with that intent, to help a thread be more simple (like me I think) let me share just a little. I'll just do a take off Bob to explain where I'm at personally as a healer who doesn't want to "see the sickness there."

Bob said:In my perception, healing, the Afterlife, and all their attendant issues have an essential quality that binds them all: Pure Unconditional Love. I'll be damned if I can pull someone off the street and explain that simply, especially when part of that understanding is intuitive.  
_______

I do this all the time unsuccessfully I might add, Bob, to pull someone off the street, so to speak explaining PUL.
for example: I have to blame this failure on Higher self..I lack language tools, true, we need an entirely different language, but have to make do..since I fail to explain PUL, in order to not lose all hope, I will turn it into a comedy of errors and just embrace humanity, as I have no power to discern what's down the pike for another.
I can tell u of my experience however that we are the funniest bunch of humanity as we go about this business of healing rifts in understanding as well as overt disease on the body.
ever bonked heads with a Jehova Witness? ok, it wasn't me that pulled this guy off the street. no  way! I had a question to the universe, and my question pulled him into my universe. I was given fair warning thru a dream obe he would arrive, which did nothing to alleviate my tripedation to find him on my doorstep, and my first instinct was to run away. so all the dream did was tell me not to run. he really was charming and had mellowed somewhat with age. New age meets tradition. great. he was there to teach me how to speak my word, which is not about religion. just PUL. to make a long story short, yes it turned into a comedy of errors. as I spoke about PUL, he fell in love with....ouch.....me...u see, nobody knows what PUL is and to talk about it is misleading in the general world out there. now I had two problems instead of one. I had failed to convert him to new age thinking, and on top of that, I had attracted a lover whom I would have to reject. what a fool I felt like. this caused many laughing gags for me which made me feel quite insane. thanks a lot, higher self I yelled out, you really set me up good this time. :P  I was finally able to point out to JW that he was mistaken about my intentions. My job was simply to stop peering at him from behind the curtains and just tell him like it was boldly, knowing that he might take it badly, but was better to face off with him and tell him I was not a temptress when I spoke of PUL, but that is the way most people think of love talk. that it is a polarity exchange only. it is more than that for sure. it is an experience that occurs over a lifetime for each, is individualized. I am so sad it cannot be shared in words..but words are all I have. so I go off in search of a new language. working on this book lately, I want to throw it away sometimes, it is only words too. so now I have called the guides forth, otherwise it will go into the garbage I must say! very humbling experience is to write about the unwriteable.
I am in the midst of embracing my humanity, which means to be open to every part of that humanity as in like committed to the healing aspects of PUL.
some of you are quite unbelievable! but I have always loved people who are "different" so I quite can get used to those "unbelievable" items as well. wish me luck, in my naivety, I am going to need it!
love you all, both small and large egos, we are shifting ourselves along and I will be needing to lean on you. love, alysia

Alysia,

I admire you for attempting to articulate the unspeakable. That's gotta be tough.

This is the first time I've heard of someone attracting a JW lover! Oh my god! Now I've heard it all!

I bonked heads with JW's one time in particular, challenging their beliefs. That just resulted in them sending their heavy artillery in trenchcoats and carring briefcases to come and handle me (which they couldn't). I was unfailingly polite and respectful to them. But I was naive back then to think I could convince them of anything. Not that I knew better than them, I just read more and knew what questions no one could answer by proof-texting the Bible. Clash of belief systems and a statemate.

I am still learning to let go of Ego. Thanks.

Best of luck for your book.

Bob

Hi Kathy,
thinking about your and Monroe's system, I remembered what multi-facetted experiences I had listening Focus 21 HemiSync (and without listening when I thought I've learned the trick enough):

1. A place to meet the higher self, in my case it was a gathering of ghostly looking beings in a kind of sports stadium, they then came towards me, looked at me and went by. Two of them introduced themselves as speakers of my higher self. This place is obviously connected to other places to meet the higher self, as in Focus 27 I can go upwards to do it.

2. A place of energy exchange and energy blending. There's not only energy coming from "above" but also from "aside", meaning extraterrestrian life systems. Symbollically (I think) I got a picture of a huge spaceport. There was a hall with many holes which are gates to other worlds. Much work is done to control energy levels and harmonisation, I saw what looks like an enormous mixing table for music, but was to adjust the energy flow of everything on earth. There were holograms of people which signs what they were in need of.

3. There is an invisible but still recognized border around the earth. Only beings with permission can cross this border. Once they did, they will incarnate. I saw this once from close distance, a ghostly being was getting permission, then the being at the counter grabbed the other one, kinda folded it together so it became a little glowing sphere, threw it behind where other beings identified it and sent it to the right place down to earth. This little multi-colored glowing sphere to me looked like a sweet innocent baby!

4. There is what I call "The Human Embassy", a little-village-like place where a human-looking guy gave me some advice where to go to and how.

5. The atmosphere when I arrive at Focus 21 usually is windy, grey, sense of movement and flow all around. Also there is an infinite area of high mountains. Helpers did tell me several times that all I see is symbolic but still appropriate, as long as I keep in mind that it's symbolic. Alternately, they presented me Focus 21 as black space with little star-like dots. Also they said several times that Focus 21 is very close to the physical, actually it is somehow at the same place as the physical, but not the same. The first times I arrived at Focus 21 I saw spinning objects, wheels, tornados.

6. I asked if I could go from Focus 21 back down to earth close to the physical to see how that would look like. At first, I saw nothing but long tubes, some larger, some thinner, some hard, some flexible. I interpreted it as symbols for connections. Then I saw a street scene in my home town, but it looked like what is frequently reported of LSD trips, bright unreal changing colors everywhere, beams of colored light sent out from people to other people, one guy was walking in a street in between rows of buildings, and he sent out beams to the left and the right, it was as if he would "scan" his surrounding to keep his feeling of his surrounding stable. A group of people had a big shared flame above their heads, and also trees in the park of my hometown had a big flame above it. I saw people in their appartments, one guy had this black tary stuff attached to him (like what Bruce told about) and it was hanging down and went through the floors/ceilings in the ground. Today I was meditating about levels, and could distinct this colored "LSD" level from one denser which appeared in grey. It was like adjusting sharpness on a camera to phase between the two which was quite delicate. If you saw "Lord Of The Rings" this grey dense level looks just like the effect when Frodo took the ring on, a little blurred, grey, and the shapes like affected from air movement. Add colors and rays and you have an impression of the "LSD" level. In the grey and the LSD levels it was difficult to decide who is physically alive and who is only etheric, attached to the physical; generally, the "ghosts" were looking more "present" than the physically alive people.

Numbers more or less randomly chosen.

Of course I don't know if this all belongs to Focus 21, there are no signs which indicates where I am. But if we take this complex maybe it could have a place in your second dimension with it's seven levels. For me, Focus 15,12,10 feel different like what I told above. Focus 15 is great for moving in time and space, Focus 12 is a mystery, I use it not often, and when I did I had sometimes rapid picture movement or looked at strange landscapes in a SciFiction style or maybe like Monroes (first book) locale 2. Focus 10 is the basic relaxation and imagination focus level, can get you everywhere. You know, there is this method to reach Focus 21 inspired by a channeled entity called Miranon, the move through the seven colors blue, red, yellow, rose, green, purple, white (from F15 to F21). Don't know if this relates somehow to your 7 level system of the 2nd dimension.

Btw, the number 10 reminded me of the "tree of life" originated from Qabbalists. As my literature says, there is definitely a border between the godly upper trias and the other Sephira, maybe one can draw a line between Malkuth, the physical matter and "result" sephirot and the others, but then we have still only three dimensions.

Bye, Spooky

wrote on Dec 1^st, 2005 at 3:05pm:

Alysia, I admire you for attempting to articulate the unspeakable. That's gotta be tough. This is the first time I've heard of someone attracting a JW lover! Oh my god! Now I've heard it all! I bonked heads with JW's one time in particular, challenging their beliefs. That just resulted in them sending their heavy artillery in trenchcoats and carring briefcases to come and handle me (which they couldn't). I was unfailingly polite and respectful to them. But I was naive back then to think I could convince them of anything. Not that I knew better than them, I just read more and knew what questions no one could answer by proof-texting the Bible. Clash of belief systems and a statemate. I am still learning to let go of Ego. Thanks. Best of luck for your book. Bob

thats interesting that u would take them on too Bob and get the same result as me, a stalemate. I can't say my experience was an absolute failure though. hindsight being 20-20. JW had confided in me that he had failed to "save" some people, drug related problems. by that time I had succeeded to draw out some of his door to door adventures of the religious pathway. I had begun to understand the perfection of his path, and the perfection of mine in contrast. since he thought god would find displeasure in his servant to fail to retrieve a person on drugs, my religious guide told me to tell him he dropped seeds that would sprout somewhere in time into something beautiful. he seemed to revive himself at this point that god would find favor with him, or continue to find favor with him. so in that respect, maybe some good was accomplished in the relationship, although neither of us would be converted to the other's viewpoint. so I was thinking the same thing about your confrontation of the stalemate with your JW friends. they seem to walk away in deep perplexity and even sorrow, yet there was discourse and there are those seeds to consider.

I asked him from the start "how many people open their door to you? 1 in a 100 he said. i asked was I that one in a 100? he said yes. and then it began, and u know part of the story.
he told me about revelations from his viewpoint & I asked him where in the bible does it speak of "your sons and daughters..dream dreams and prophesy?"
this is me you see, and some of us here. JW could not find it, although he could find any quote you asked for, not the one I needed to make my pointless point that dreams are important to embrace as a part of us, apart from religious construct totally.
I would not bonk heads again as my curiosity is satisfied and his path is fine. DP said it used to be his path and I had wanted a closer look. he was not exactly a happy man but he had developed a kindness towards others thru his path and he had learned not to get into knock down drag out fights anymore. this was too funny. he told me he had been told to high tail it out of somewhere..and he had punched someone! ha ha! over religion? yup! the point was I wanted to see what DP's life had been like. I can be assured the two characters have ceased to be punching people out.
;D

Spooky, I loved your last post. I need to digest it and will read again..theres a whole lot there to think about and I'm grateful for it. love, alysia

I used to stick up for JW's in a limited sense by pointing out that I have seen them go into really bad city neighborhoods and try to convert people who were in very bad situations personally, drugs, violence, ect... Admittedly, being a JW is better than doing those kinds of things. And JW's tend to keep a person busy doing what they do, going house to house. So here is that now ex drug abuser, gangster, walking around all day with a bible in his or her hand. That is definately a step in the right direction. And I didn't see anyone else there, except for an occasional Mormon pair. No Catholics, Greek Orthodox, Baptists, Buddists, Hindus, no one else but JW's and Mormons. And even Mormons are too straight laced for the worst neighborhoods.

This of course has to start from a position of looking at the proverbial glass as half-full. Glad to know your guides confirmed this in the case of your JW lover.

But I still don't like them very much. Sorry. I like Mormons but I've seen JW's use tactics that are appalling. To each their purpose under heaven.

Bob

Hi Spooky,

Thanks for sharing some really interesting experiences.  I can relate to some of these in my own experience like seeing halls, gateways, tunnels or portals I guess one could say and also other beings.  I’d say most of the time its like I’m an observer rather than interacting.  One time Marilyn led a partnered exploration to the Gathering.  When I set my intention to go there not much really happened except I did see a space port of some kind, but that was about it.  

When I read Bruce’s first or maybe second book I tried his imagination method for doing retrieval. When I tried this I concocted this little story in my mind and I think the whole scenario really was just a story I imagined and not actually a retrieval.  After doing this a few times I think I got bored with it and just stopped imagining the story.  That’s when something happened.  It’s hard to describe, but it’s like there was two of me.  Kathy the observer watching an astral Kathy.  This was before I’d heard people talk about aspects of our consciousness splitting and actually left me feeling a bit confused at the time.  I can only guess that this consciousness split is what may have happened.  Kathy the observer saw what looked like a woman lying in a bed in a nursing home and astral Kathy standing beside her holding her hand.  This scene wasn’t anywhere close to what I had been imaging, so that’s why I think it could have been an actual experience.  

I actually seem to like focus 12 expanded awareness better than focus 10.  In thinking about the focus levels of consciousness in comparison with the levels I described, I’d say that C1 consists of my levels of 1 thru 5.  The higher levels seem to be related to focus levels of 10, 12 and 15.  Focus 15 for example takes me easily into what I’m calling level 10 or the innermost part of my being.  I don’t know about the rest of the focus levels and how they would relate or even if they do at all.  I would think they would because it’s on my level 6 that I can begin to see and interact with other beings that are obviously not alive in a physical body.  Perhaps the answer is that consciousness chooses the unfolding of an event out of all possibilities based on intention.  

For example Monroe gave his focus levels meaning when he created them based on his experiences so these became realms of possibility.  These meanings become a part of the consciousness of the person using them for specific purposes as outlined by Monroe and others.  Retrievals would be one example. It seems to me like the intention while not unchangeable would in essence be setup in consciousness.  And when consciousness chooses and an event unfolds even the meaning or interpretation of the event would be unfolding as well.  I don’t know… maybe I’m just confusing myself here.

I’m curious about whether or not people have ever used TMI tapes / CD’s while standing up and trying to take an action such as laying on of hands healing.  If someone wants to experiment with trying this, I love to hear about any results they may have.  

Thanks again Spooky.
Love, Kathy

Hi Kathy,
I nearly always have this split you told of when I'm mind-traveling, I tried to merge my observer self (which is more "me" than the acting self I'm observing, though this acting self is doing what I want but sometimes does also things I had not expected) with the acting self and it is odd! It seems only to work for very short time and often don't work at all. One time I found myself confronted with this other self feeling like eye to eye contact, well this was REALLY weird and I quit this scene. I noticed today this split happens also when I do remember things from my physical past, for example where I went today! There also is this split! Strange. In the "life-review-movie" often reported in NDEs, it is (I think) in most cases told that one is in an observing position looking on past situations of one's life.
I agree also with the other things you said about Monroe's system.
And I will try HemiSync while acting physically, have wanted to do it since a long time, but never felt in the right mood. I definitely will post it!
Bye, Spooky

Spooky said: I nearly always have this split you told of when I'm mind-traveling, I tried to merge my observer self (which is more "me" than the acting self I'm observing, though this acting self is doing what I want but sometimes does also things I had not expected) with the acting self and it is odd! It seems only to work for very short time and often don't work at all. One time I found myself confronted with this other self feeling like eye to eye contact, well this was REALLY weird and I quit this scene. I noticed today this split happens also when I do remember things from my physical past, for example where I went today! There also is this split! Strange. In the "life-review-movie" often reported in NDEs, it is (I think) in most cases told that one is in an observing position looking on past situations of one's life.  
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When I met the observer self Spooky, I didn't try to merge, it just seemed like this self was the director of the film I was starring in and I was now entering a classroom where I would learn of my capabilities. there were others around, like stage hands, lighting directors and such, but this observer self was in charge of my acting ability or performance. I know what u mean about feeling a little strange though to discover these different parts of yourself operating. the observer part of the mind may well be the part that does self retrievals, to zero in on past situations of one's life, that can be like a self retrieval for sure.
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Kathy said:
Beginning with the deepest spiritual level, each penetrates down through each of the others to the physical body.  In other words, each has an affect as it penetrates downward to create the physical.
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each chakra or energy portal in the body of which the main ones number seven (looking at me chart) is relevant to a particular state of mind. so what this means to me when considering healing energy entering any of these portals, as Kathy says, as penetrating downwards.
my thesis when doing healing, is to spin these chakras with imaginary thought energy or different colors as comes to mind. or, to simplify, run energy through the entire body instead of fixating on just a single portal. the idea is to feel your light body move within the flesh. love, alysia

Hi Alysia,
now I (observer) too don't try to merge with an acting me anymore, ha ha, it's too strange, this split state seems to be just natural; actually, it took some time before I realized this because it's so normal for me. I'm just curious if everybody when remembering something from his/her life looks from this observing point upon his/her body or if I'm a special species!
Oh and I think I will know when it's time to merge with a lonesome part of me, it's different than this normal split.
Seems to me from what you wrote you are more in/with what I called the actor rather than the observer?
Bye, Spooky

well if nobody minds me to say so Spooky, you seem like a special species to me...ha ha ha! I like the way you talk. :D yes, I don't want to be a species from merkatwoid either..hee.

I'll bet theres a lot of folks here have felt this observer operating different times? maybe it is not so common as I think? or maybe it's just not noticed much.

I am not that much aware of being in observer position, but as you say, when it happens, seems too natural, almost like you do not notice it much. when I describe that occassion above, where I would enter a woman who did not seem to be myself, but another and play a "role", I was split apart, and the observor part was the part that allowed, which decided I would enter that body, then as I did so, the observer disappeared. seemed natural as u say.
I can liken this state of mind as very calming and unemotional part of self. even have had it settle into C1 now and then, but notice it a lot in obe or PE or dream state.
I am an emotional focus for the most part and so it's weird not to have emotions, but to have a perfect viewpoint, as able to see a wider scope or larger viewpoint then, apart from emotional coloring.
one time in a dream a guide said "you are the seeker, the finder and the observer, and I said, har! I just want to be the observor, if u don't mind! they didn't think I was very funny..oh well. sometimes my jokes fall flat.

The first time I noticed this split was the during the retrieval exercise, however, I do think this is something that is common with all of us.  I don’t think I’d ever noticed it with myself before.   Perhaps it is something that happens and we simply don’t notice it until we pay attention to it.  The observer aspect of this leads me to wonder about this experience as being our higher self that is observing what it focuses attention on.  I’m thinking of what our Dave here has talked about with regression under hypnosis and also as described in Newton’s books.  

The merging aspect you mentioned seems to happen automatically when I’m participating in laying on of hands healing.  It might be easier for me to explain by giving an example.  Several years ago when my daughter was around the age of 16, she’d started working in a fast food restaurant.  About two weeks after she’d started this job her hands and forearms started breaking out with these huge nickel size blisters and sores that we thought was an allergic reaction to cleaning chemicals or something.  This had gone on for about 2 months and I’d taken her to two different dermatologists who’d prescribed various medications.  She also had been relieved of having any cleaning duties at work.  Nothing seemed to help.  

One day she’d come downstairs complaining that more had appeared and showed them to me.  I’d asked her before if she wanted me to try to heal them with my hands and she’d declined.  Kids at that age don’t like their mother hovering over them. Haha!  This time when I asked, she said yes, but only because she was desperate. My point here is her attitude. She wanted to be healed and therefore was accepting of this.

The moment I placed my hand over her very, very warm subtle energy ran through me and out of the palm of my hand.  The color of both her aura and mine was extremely easy for me to see. The healing was taking place on the first (etheric) level of her energy field, which became a bright light blue extending out about an inch as was mine. I could also see that lavender light was coming out of the palm of my hand and affecting her field and making it very clear.  My mind was very, very clear and although I was still “me” I was different in that there was no split or separation, just clarity of mind with no emotion or thought… only observation / listening mode.  After about 10 minutes I intuited that we were done.  She said she felt very warm and relaxed and she rested for about a half hour.  Within a few days all the sores were completely healed with no scaring and have never reappeared.

This energy that we usually call PUL is perhaps better described as clear energy as in purity or without belief perhaps.  There’s nothing to interfere with it and what it intends.  It’s very difficult to describe because we don’t really have word for it that means the same thing to everyone. I just think of it as clear light that can be any color depending on what is needed.  The only thing I did was placing my hand over her and both of our intentions were aligned with healing to take place and so it did.  Over the years, I’ve come to conclude that even this intention comes from a higher aspect of us and that it is inherent in all of us.  It is not separate from us.  We only believe that it is. This healing energy flows from each of us regardless of whether we can see it or not and it can and does act of it’s own accord.  My shaman teacher told me that he could not see auras, so that’s not a prerequisite at all.

Perhaps one of the most important things I have learned about merging with or aligning with the higher intention of this consciousness is that to do so is to shed belief.  To me the energy itself feels like there is no belief within it, but that it simply just IS.  It’s our beliefs that make it unclear.  Sure we can and do manipulate it, but I think to do so in the physical is to create belief, which in essence creates our experience of individuality.  I wonder… is this the shift in consciousness?

Love, Kathy

Kathy! I wonder… is this the shift in consciousness?  ;D ;D ;D ;D :-*

now to gild your lily because I have flappy lips.. :D

will meditate a bit first..but ha ha! just noticed something within me when u said it's hard to define what this energy of PUL is, and it's healing effect to put into words..I'm over here jumping up and down shouting YES WE CAN DEFINE IT!

be back later, gotta get quiet for awhile, love you! alysia