Has anyone on the board had a hilarion reading?I am about to have one done.What does this hilarion know about us? and what can I expect from having a reading?George

Quote:

Has anyone on the board had a hilarion reading? I am about to have one done. What does this hilarion know about us? and what can I expect from having a reading? George

That's good to hear, George. We'd love to hear from you after the Reading. If it's all right with you, please let us know how the Reading turned out.

In a nutshell, what you can expect from a Reading, is to hear Hilarion's advice on your personal questions, issues and spiritual or consciential growth.

The true answers and final decisions, as always, comes from yourself. Hilarion, speaking for himself as well as on behalf of your guides & helpers, merely speak their opinions, suggestions and advice, from their perspective and understanding about you.

I do strongly recommend that the last question for a Hilarion Reading, be a generic, "Is there anything else that my guides & helpers, as well as Hilarion, would like to say to me at the current time?"

For further suggestions on possible lines of questions that one might like to ask in Hilarion Reading, see my webpage here :

http://infinity.hispeed.com/Heart.Of.God/main.htm#Hilarion

 Just throwing my 3 cents in.  I haven't had a reading by Hilarion, but i did check out the link that Kyo sent, and my spidy senses tell me that this guy, Jon, is very much for real and a well fitted channel for some helpful consciousnesses--much like the channel role Rosiland played for quite awhile.

 I almost never get this, this strongly when looking at channeled material of late.  Much of it strikes me as recyled subconscious ideas, or misleading from slow vibratory and unhappy souls (usually non-physical) with nothing better to do than to mess with peoples heads.  In the latter case, their seems to be often a Like attracts Like element involved between the medium and the source of info.

 Heck, just on an individual and everday level, we can (always do really) get some really good guidance from guides and/or Higher self, yet our conscious minds can really distort it, and turn into something its not.  Filters and B.S.....

Obviously, if anyone is considering getting a reading from Hilarion via Jon, then don't just listen to Kyo, and me, especially not me since i haven't actually had any readings.  Its a fine balance between looking within, and having outer info act as catalyst...

 Thanks for the links Kyo, i was going to p.m you with some questions, but guidance has already answered my questions more or less...  Thus spoketh Justin!  :P ;) ::) ;D :)

Peace

Quote:

Heck, just on an individual and everday level, we can (always do really) get some really good guidance from guides and/or Higher self, yet our conscious minds can really distort it, and turn into something its not.

Correct. Everyone can contact and communicate with his/her own higher self  and guides to some extent, and along certain lines and limits, gain ideas, insights and help in this way.

However, and this is to be noted to be true with all Hilarion Readings I've been aware or a part of, it has been the case that Hilarion *always* exceeds or goes beyond one own's inner guidance, expectations, and even communication with one's own guides & helpers.

This is not to say Hilarion's ideas or messages, given during the Readings, contradict or disagree with one's own intuition. They don't, of course. But they go way beyond it.

There are primarily two reasons for this.

The first, is that Jon is an extremely clear anf effective channel, particularly for Hilarion. This is in part due to the close friendship between the two (Jon has been friends with Hilarion for many lifetimes). Jon is also more than capable of channeling many other highly evolved consciousnesses, including Sananda (Jesus Christ).

The second, is the vibrational level or evolutionary level of Hilarion himself. Widely known as one of the main chohans or ascended masters associated with one of the Universal Rays (the Emerald Ray), Hilarion, who was incidentally Plato the philosopher whilst on Earth, functions as a guide & helper for many, many guides & helpers, that perhaps more directly assist most intraphysicals on Earth today.

(Of course, Hilarion has his own guides & helpers, who have their own guides & helpers, very literally ad infinitum. Evolution is endless, Life is forever.)

During a Hilarion Reading, while Hilarion is usually in discussion of some sort with your own guides & helpers, he is not merely their mouthpiece, and accordingly does not limit his response or suggestions to their own perspective, alone.

That is to say, being of such a high vibrational and evolutionary status, Hilarion's much expanded consciousness allows of overarching perspectives that not only takes into account all possible factors, he can give suggestions and advice often beyond or in addition to, that of many guides & helpers themselves. (That is not to say his advice is any 'better' than that from another guide or helper, but rather possibly beyond, or in addition to).

It is not uncommon that, during a Reading, he might speak his own perspective, suggestion or advice, and then he might note that one of your guides or helpers, might wish to add something, or give his/her/their own suggestions as well. In such case, this might be communicated via Hilarion (via Jon), or directly via Jon (who channels your own guide or helper more directly).


Consequently, the result is that a Hilarion Reading offers you a higher, much expanded perspective, oftentimes with suggestions and advice of a clarity, detail and helpfulness, beyond that which is usually possible from one's own intuition and connection with higher self, as well as one's personal communication with one's own guides & helpers.

To reiterate this simply, a Hilarion Reading is always helpful, crammed and power-packed with many helpful ideas and suggestions that will often surprise the individual, even those who might be confident that he/she "already knows what Hilarion is going to say".

As a 'test' or verification of my statement, if one should try the Hilarion Reading, simply ask on a particular issue in depth, and note whether Hilarion's reply gives any important, helpful insights or advice, beyond that which you might have come up with yourself, or from telepathic communication with your own guides & helpers.

This is the true beauty of the Hilarion Reading, not that it somehow gives you all the "magical answers" to your life (because the free will and self-responsibility will always be your own), but that it further creates helpful networking between yourself and Hilarion, and all other beings, guides & helpers that are involved (even if behind-the-scenes) in your Reading.

It's always wonderful to communicate and network with others, certainly including friendly, helpful beings such as Hilarion.

Quote:

Thanks for the links Kyo, i was going to p.m you with some questions, but guidance has already answered my questions more or less...  Thus spoketh Justin!  :P ;) ::) ;D :)

You're more than welcome, of course. That your queries has already been answered is good. You're a very intuitive and clear channel yourself, and so this would not surprise me.


Cya around, friend :)
Kyo

Thanks a lot kyo,let you know what I get.George

hi george im very excited also to hear what the hilarion reading has to say for you . I actually wanted to do a hilarion meeting but never knew where to go? also i never understood the difference between a hilarion reading and talking to a meduim

Hi Lydia.I will be having that Hilarion reading to day.I will post some of it here on the board.Love George.

wrote on Nov 30^th, 2005 at 12:37pm:

Hi Lydia.I will be having that Hilarion reading to day.I will post some of it here on the board.Love George.

Dear George,

How did the Reading go? We hope to hear from you, but if for various reasons (eg. it was too personal in nature) you choose not to mention it, we totally respect this.

Take care.

Pardon me for asking this, but as anyone "tested" this channel before accepting what, presumebly, he is suppose to be?

I am surprised to find so many "channellers" around, asking for an interesting sum of money for private session. How can you be sure that this channeller or others are legitimate?

Especially when, here, people learn how to do it themselves?

I don't want to offend anyone here for their beliefs, but just want to discuss this.

Cayce, Seth, Borts are some that have gone through many tests. For Cayce, his record proves that he was legitimate.

It is particularly notable that so many of these channellers came about AFTER Jane Roberts' Seth.  The knowledge was there for someone who wanted to study it and then "channel" it for a sum of money.

I don't want this to sound unrespectfull to those who believe, but would like to discuss this subject.

Hi.In my hilarion reading he told me that my wife died,so I could better help others in need.He also said that up to now I have had 2.31 life times.In one of the life times I was a woman who was burned at the stake for witch craft.He also said most of us incarnate after hafe a life,about 35 years.There is more,but I have to wait for the tape he is sending me.Love George

Thank you for sharing, George.

It is recommended that the audio recording (either tape or CD) of a Hilarion Reading be listened to several times over the new few months or years, for maximum benefit and insight gained from Hilarion's words.

Looking forward to hearing more of your sharing or insights gained, after your tape arrives.

Love,
Kyo

Most of us incarnate after 35 yrs?  Does that mean that after we die, we wait around 35 earth years to come back?  Or that prior to my 35th year I am not incarnated.  It sounds a bit odd to me.  Especially as earth time and spirit/afterlife time is rather arbitrary.  Bruce and others have found souls from centuries past.

George, I do sincerely hope you get important information from this.  I personally feel that only you are able to truly explore and gain meaning in personal issues.  I am, quite skeptical of paying any entity for information.

Matthew

It think it's not unreasonable before giving up $150.00US to ask for references. A legitimate medium should be willing to provide them.

As for testing one, you could intersperse within your questions those you alread know the answer to.

or,

Go to a medium you already know is legitimate and ask s/he if Hilarion is for real.

or,

Ask you guides.

Bob

I agree,don't throw your money away. Our household is fortunate in having a rriend ie entity that ha been in conversation with us for many years. He is channeled thru my wife. I asked at one time about a well known channel in the north west and he indicated this individual was not channeling. Having said this there are other essences that when asked he doesnt have a clue.
I hope this helps in your decision.

Hi Kyo and all,

I have read some of Hilarions commentary and it does appear very informative - I also have a peculair affinity with the teacher. I am not sure if this is the same channel however who brought forth the books - I cant recall the titles but there was one about 'other realms' and I do recall seeing a commentary about Pauls epistles in the New Testament by Hilarion....which brings my next question up about Hilarion being St. Paul in one of his past lives. If anyone can substantiate this info. much appreciated. (also is there one primary channel that the true entity who is Hilarion works with...or can other mediums channel him? - it would appear a real singular entity would pretty much choose to work with one primary channel.)



paul

wrote on Dec 6^th, 2005 at 8:16pm:

Hi Kyo and all, I have read some of Hilarions commentary and it does appear very informative - I also have a peculair affinity with the teacher. I am not sure if this is the same channel however who brought forth the books - I cant recall the titles but there was one about 'other realms' and I do recall seeing a commentary about Pauls epistles in the New Testament by Hilarion....which brings my next question up about Hilarion being St. Paul in one of his past lives. If anyone can substantiate this info. much appreciated. (also is there one primary channel that the true entity who is Hilarion works with...or can other mediums channel him? - it would appear a real singular entity would pretty much choose to work with one primary channel.) paul

Hello Paul and all,

At his current evolutionary level, Hilarion operates as an entire Disc/Disk or Group Soul, some of whom have had lifetimes on Earth, including as Plato the Philosopher.

The book you were referring to, is titled, "Other Kingdoms" and yes, it was channeled from Hilarion, via a different channeler, Maurice B Cooke.

You can view some of the other book titles that Hilarion has channeled, from both Maurice B Cooke and Jon C Fox; as well as many excerpts & quotes from Hilarion's channelings, here on my website :

Hilarion excerpts & quotes :
http://infinity.hispeed.com/Heart.Of.God/main.htm#Hilarion

Books section (including Hilarion books) :
http://infinity.hispeed.com/Heart.Of.God/main.htm#OtherBooks


Interestingly relevant to this discussion thread, is Hilarion on Hilarion (Hilarion's channeled info on himself), as well as Hilarion on Channeling (channeled info on the channeling process, and how any individual can choose to develop this skill for himself) :

http://infinity.hispeed.com/Heart.Of.God/Hilarion/Interview_with_Hilarion/index.htm

wrote on Dec 6^th, 2005 at 7:55pm:

I agree,don't throw your money away. Our household is fortunate in having a rriend ie entity that ha been in conversation with us for many years. He is channeled thru my wife. I asked at one time about a well known channel in the north west and he indicated this individual was not channeling. Having said this there are other essences that when asked he doesnt have a clue. I hope this helps in your decision.

Did you ask for  others such as Elias, Kriss ?  Can you tell us the results ?

I think that if someone would ask all the most known "channellers" for it's name (Higher self, Essence etc.) that all different names would be given. Same with other type of information that would be asked.

A long while ago, Houdini (the famous magician), investigated almost all the "mediums" of the time and never found one legitimate. Today there's so many around, one can wonder about their credibility.  Then there's will alway be some people in for a buck.

I am not saying that there are no legitimate channellers around, I just don't think we should so easily trust them.

I'm still amazed at the ease that people will believe someone without verifying more. People take more time to get informed in buying a car than "trusting" a channel.

Elias as an example doesn't like to "read minds". In other words, he doesn't like to be tested by someone to see if he is realy aware of the person.

Just my opinion here!

Very well said.  If someone was Plato or Socrates, they should be able to provide information, possibly in their ancient tongue as to something that would corroborate their former identity.  I always laughed a bit when I heard from Elias' people that he was Oscar Wilde in a past life.  If anyone has ever read Wilde, or his ways of speaking,  well........lets just say Wilde's wit and prose was completely different than Elias.

Now one can say "well, I was Plato, (Wilde, whomever), but, um, you see the process of joining my disc just, um, er, well it lets me know I was them, but I can't recall their specific memories or speak/write like them."

Hmmm......anyone who would say this would be BSing big time in 'ol DocM's book.  

Now, to get serious.  If we can all tap the great all that is, we may merge with another's thoughts out there while meditating.  This may confuse some, and they may say "ah ha!  I am that person (or was)."  Not true.

I have seen Kyo's posts and find them full of love, intelligence and wisdom.  If Hillarion is false, then the person channeling will have much to answer for.  But Kyo approaches his understanding with an open heart.  I therefore think in the end, if we all are open to the possibilities, then advice from channelers won't truly hurt us.

Matthew

wrote on Dec 7^th, 2005 at 7:07am:

Now one can say "well, I was Plato, (Wilde, whomever), but, um, you see the process of joining my disc just, um, er, well it lets me know I was them, but I can't recall their specific memories or speak/write like them." Hmmm......anyone who would say this would be BSing big time in 'ol DocM's book.   Now, to get serious.  If we can all tap the great all that is, we may merge with another's thoughts out there while meditating.  This may confuse some, and they may say "ah ha!  I am that person (or was)."  Not true. I have seen Kyo's posts and find them full of love, intelligence and wisdom.  If Hillarion is false, then the person channeling will have much to answer for.  But Kyo approaches his understanding with an open heart.  I therefore think in the end, if we all are open to the possibilities, then advice from channelers won't truly hurt us. Matthew

I am not passing a hard judgement on those who believe, just questionning.

I disagree with you, in part.  Of course they are all appealing, give out a very nice message etc. The problem is that you are liable to "accept" certain beliefs that will affect your outlook on things. You lose your power of discrimination and give it to the channel.  This is like following a guru.

An open heart is a fragile heart!  We can read and listen but never forget to discriminate and trust ourselves, not a channel, not a guru without checking his credentials.

I like Bruce's position for this.  He is the first one who found it hard to believe his early experiences, and I think that his position is to prove it to YOURSELF.  

In reading about Seth, he reacted with humor when chalenged. I'm thinking about a Psychatrist who attended and asked very difficult question in his field.

Although I cannot evaluate Hillarion and others, it appears to me that they are not very open to be tested and chalenged. This is what's worry me.

Sometime we WANT to believe TOO MUCH.

Doc said:  I always laughed a bit when I heard from Elias' people that he was Oscar Wilde in a past life.  If anyone has ever read Wilde, or his ways of speaking,  well........lets just say Wilde's wit and prose was completely different than Elias.
____

thank god for laughter or we might all go insane Doc. I'm the one who repeated the info that Elias had once been OW. really, it doesn't matter at all about past lives, it only matters the now moment in the end, because your now moment becomes your moment upon transition.
however, I do believe Elias and he's not my guru. I just trust my feelings and I cannot be mislead, only if I let myself be mislead by giving my power to another and placing them above me. a type of error that leads one to become abused. Elias message is that your power belongs to you to create your personal reality, he does not want your respect but I supose anyone could be adulated or worshiped mistakenly.
Reading someone else like Elias or any author or channeller is not going to cut the mustard, it's just a way to get yourself some ideas to fly on. so I take Bruce's ideas, and what he has said is take what is there from books, read them all, but just take what resonates for you and throw out the rest, thats what makes us individuals.
the reason I can see Elias as being a part of a disc thing which contains the personality of Wilde within it.
after having read Bruce's vision of the disc, there could be thousands within the disc, each an individual comprised of a personality with it's own quirks, it's own signature. I can also see how we could all be like actors on a stage, and when a personality no longer suits us, we could throw that off and be a different personality entirely. individuality in that sense doesn't mean a whole lot if you've got 99 people inside of you and they are all getting along. of course I don't expect to be understood. its words only.
summing up, channellers, everyone u meet, u just throw tidbits in a cooking pot and stir, if it smells bad, toss it out and begin again. we certainly can't blame the channeller or the entity for what we elected to put into our soup pot.

ps. Doc, don't go away. I need you. love, alysia

I agree fully with laughter, humour...LOL!  I'm very happy to find it here in your replies.  When there's humour and laughters, then we can talk openly about ANY subject and it becomes a learning process for all, no matter if we all disagree

I also agree that we can find information anywhere, even from a channeller as Elias, as long as WE SORT it out to take what WE want.  Discrimination LOL!

Quote:
...""the reason I can see Elias as being a part of a disc thing which contains the personality of Wilde within it.
after having read Bruce's vision of the disc, there could be thousands within the disc, each an individual comprised of a personality with it's own quirks, it's own signature."""

It seems to me that your are justifying Elias in the above quote. Correct me if I'm wrong.   ???

You are explaining why Elias cannot answer, for example, questions on Oscar Wilde. For myself this makes me suspicious of Elias.

QUOTE:
""...summing up, channellers, everyone u meet, u just throw tidbits in a cooking pot and stir, if it smells bad, toss it out and begin again. we certainly can't blame the channeller or the entity for what we elected to put into our soup pot."""

Agreed!  That's what I think also. If the answer (s) of a channellers are suspicious, then it smells.

The only problem, for me, is how quickly people will accept a channel and put so much trust in him/her that they will find excuses for them.

QUOTE:
"""...If someone was Plato or Socrates, they should be able to provide information, possibly in their ancient tongue as to something that would corroborate their former identity.  I always laughed a bit when I heard from Elias' people that he was Oscar Wilde in a past life.  If anyone has ever read Wilde, or his ways of speaking,  well........lets just say Wilde's wit and prose was completely different than Elias."""

Very well put Matthew.

u asked: It seems to me that your are justifying Elias in the above quote. Correct me if I'm wrong
____

nah, I'm not justifying him. I just feel gratitude to him.  I've gotten certain things from the readings, one of which I got in my own meditation once so it was like confirming my soul's messge to myself..hearing it from another. the message was simply, if you are doing something in life, like suppose you have this job that you hate, but u think u must go there every day because the pay is good...its common sense that you should find enjoyable work..even if the pay is lower than the job you hate. Theres books out there like "what color is your parachute?" they say the same thing. Elias was saying it was ok to enjoy your life and just walk away from something that was killing your spirit. I had done a service for 6 years, but it took all the life out of me as the pay was so good I thought security was money, so I took from his message what I needed, and I seemed to need permission to have a nervous breakdown..lol..it was just my journey, a choice: happiness or money?
although u can have both. I know this now. sometimes we just get stuck, don't know when to move on, take a chance, to open up to something different.
nowdays, its to each his own. you'll know which book to read..you'll just go right to it without thinking and it will be right. it doesn't matter if it's channelled or not, it's the content, whether it resonates with you.
I know I'm not answering your question but oh well! thanks for the chance to blab...

wrote on Dec 7^th, 2005 at 2:07pm:

sometimes we just get stuck, don't know when to move on, take a chance, to open up to something different. nowdays, its to each his own. you'll know which book to read..you'll just go right to it without thinking and it will be right. it doesn't matter if it's channelled or not, it's the content, whether it resonates with you. I know I'm not answering your question but oh well! thanks for the chance to blab...

That, I fully agree with you!  It's what resonate with you that's important.  

I just push it a little further to trusting yourself.  Not needing someone else to confirm what your experience is.

QUOTE:
"""I've gotten certain things from the readings, one of which I got in my own meditation once so it was like confirming my soul's message to myself.."""

Thank YOU for the chance to blab...