You all know that I have 'these' dreams...and it has been said here that they might be OBE's rather than dreams showing me a future event. So I am asking for some help here, from those of you who know much more about this than I do......was this an OBE? Or was it something else? I do know that this dream has a siginificant meaning to it....and if there is anything that you can do to to help, I need to know how to find this child and how to help. I NEED TO KNOW HOW I CAN HELP HER.
I can't explain how much this dream has sickened my stomach and how deeply it is bothering me.
I live in an area where there is a huge Native population and many of them are living at or below the poverty line.
Last night I was shown a vision...or taken somewhere OBE....and shown this....and I will warn you, that it is extremely unpleasant.
I was taken to a living complex by what I am assuming was a spirit guide. I say that I assume this because I could not see who was showing me this....this 'guide' only telepathically communicated with me...did not speak with me directly, just communicating with me what I needed to experience. I was led into a large, open living area...and immediately the overwhelming smell of human urine nearly knocked me over. I couldn't breath it was so strong. The living space was absolutley filthy...dirty and cluttered...and the smell? OMG. The guide told me that children lived here. I asked 'How could someone make their children live in this? How could they do this? This is awful. It smells so bad...these poor kids....omg...'

I looked around this filth laden room and was told that the mother was mostly non-existant.she was wasted on drugs and alcohol.....never there for her kids...couldn't care less about them. They were left to fend for themselves. These children were hungry and neglected.
I was then told by the guide that even tho the mother was 'as she is'....it was the father of these kids who was the one to be focused on.
The guide showed me a young child...a girl and she was about a year old and this was her home along with her other siblings, siblings that were all young....oldest being about 4 years old.
The little one year old girl looked up at me with her big brown eyes....her eyes were full of tears and so very sad looking...she just looked at me.
Her face was dirty..her hair unkept...her nose was snotty....and underneath her left eye, towards the far corner of her eye, was a fresh, open wound. My guide told me it was from a cigarrete. OMG, my heart wrecked of instant pain for this little child....and then my eyes scrolled down her tiny face to the right side of her lower cheek....just above jaw level and there was a fresh large bruise..it was blue and purple. In my brain and in my heart I was frantically trying to find some reason in this child's injuries....had she fallen into a piece of furniture or something?? My guide commiunicated a 'fist' to me.
The next phase my guide showed me was that of the father taking all these kids of his and leading them out of the room and down a hallway....I stood and watch them leave the room....not knowing what to do...but stupidly thinking that he was taking them to get them some food from the kitchen.....but once these kids were out of range of site...I heard the youngest, the little one year old start to cry. It was a cry of fear and helplessness.
I thought 'Oh no you don't! You are not going to hurt this child as long as I am here....'
I 'floated'.....I was not walking.....and my transfer to where I had been standing, to the room that they were in was instant....which is why I am wondering if this was an OBE.
He was dragging the little girl by her wrist...she was struggling to get away. She was screaming. She saw me and her eyes begged me to save her. He knew I was there too....never said anything to me....although I don't think it was possible for him or this child to actually say anything to me at all.....it was like I was a ghost or something, but they could see me...knew I was there...
I could not physically touch this little girl or intervene in anyway. Therefore I knew that as long as my presence was known, that he would not hurt this child. So I was determined to stay there as long as I could, since this was the only form of protection that I could give her.
However my guide wouldn't allow me to stay....and when I made the conscious choice to stay and be a 'guard for this child', the guide whisked me away.....letting me know that I had now 'seen what I needed to see'...I was not allowed to stay and stand guard.
This was the end of that vision or OBE. After that, there was absolutely nothing. My sleep was completely black until I woke up this morning.

Well this just isn't fair. I know that she is out there somewhere....and I don't know how to find her.
I don't understand what I am supposed to do now.
Why would this guide just show me these things and then not give me anything else to go on? It's just not fair. Why was I not allowed to stay and let my presence protect her? Something tells me that free will and free choice have something to do with this...and that the father has to be able to make a choice in how he treats his children...and that my presence was interferring with that process. But still, it is not fair. OK, well, fair for who? Me??? Because now I will live with that sickening experience of witnessing child abuse and not being able to do anything to stop it? Or fair for the sake of the child? That she is the one enduring the pain and emotional effects of her mother and father's abusive behaviour? So who is it unfair too?
I could be helping her...yet I can't because I don't even know where she is. Or is there a point to be taken on that as well? Am I not supposed to know? Or maybe this family is about to come into my life in the very near future in some way..and I need to be prepared for it?

Is there any of you that can give me some advice on what I should do now...how to try to find her? Or just in what to do?

This is a tough one Mystic. I'm wondering if they are dead and this is repeating over and over or if this is happening now in the physical.  I think you'll just have to wait and see. You are probably being prepared to meet them. Spirit sets things up.  I hate reading about stuff like this. I know so much abuse goes on all the time.  

Be patient and watchful.

Love, Mairlyn ;-)

same here Mystic, I just repeat what Marilyn said. since you did have a guide you seem to be involved in a training program which your C1 does not have all the facts. whether it's happening in physical or this is a retrieval should become known soon. I think it's a training program as you are fit for the task because of your compassion.
you may find yourself doing retrievals in the near future, but even though I know you know what hell is, so long as you can be shocked by man's inhumanity to man, your loving nature will need to develop some shock proof armor and I think your guide is just begun to help you get it so that all the children everywhere can get help.
I suspect this sort of thing goes on much more we can ever imagine. god bless you, you care. love, alysia

This is a tough one Mystic. I'm wondering if they are dead and this is repeating over and over or if this is happening now in the physical.
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Might this be Hell, Mairlyn? I mean, the dreamlike netherworld inhabited by stupefied "souls" whose conscious minds have skated off to become an entirely different independent person...
And yessiree, there ARE kids in Hell. There goes
"love."
And these poor devils are trapped there for all the billions of centuries to come???
The one I wrote about as per "division theory"?
This is unsettling s**t indeed...

B-man

I don't think you were shown this so that it can make you sick with grief.  I think there was something to learn about this, and you may end up with another experience later on that will close the gap for you.  Remember, you were only viewing this experience from one aspect.  You don't know the whole picture yet.  As far as it being an OBE or not, I think you are the only one to judge that.  Do you know it was not a dream?  Did you feel you had conscious awareness during the experience?  It sounds like you already know the answers.   :)

My advice is to write this out in a journal, don't just copy and paste what you've posted here.  But actually sit down and take time to write it out as much as you can, and you will probably have more memory of the events popping up in your writing.  Then read it over now and then and pick it apart, mentally trying to open up different aspects.  That's what I do with my experiences.  It's not enough to just think about it once and that's it.  There is always more information in there than you first realize.  
Whatever it was, it was a very powerful experience!  I'm sure there's more to it that will come to you later.

Love, Vicky
:)

Brendan, yes, this could be one of the 'hollow hells' in the Belief System Territories. Those are the only hells there are. A person goes to that which resonates with him/her. Now I can see the father going there but I can't see that the children would go there too unless that's all they know -- abuse. And in any case, 'there goes love' does not apply. There is always love from the Helpers and Guides who are trying to get their attention to move them to where they should be. But when they are stuck, they can't perceive the Light and that is why a physically living human is needed to get their attention.

However, the more I think of this, the more I feel that it is a real life situation that Mystic is being prepared for. And in that case, it is a hell on earth that these poor children have been born into with an abusive father.

Which ever it is, it is indeed very unsettling. I can't for the life of me understand why there are people like this father or why these children have to endure this torture.

I just watched a movie on Lifetime network called "Human Trafficking." It was about the one million children worldwide, mainly girls, who are abducted yearly for the international sex trade. There is so much going on in the world that the majority of people don't know about.

Again I'll ask you if you've read any of Bruce's books. You would learn so much from them if you did. In fact, I feel that should be a pre-requisite for being on this forum, but that's just my opinion.

BTW, since there is no time in the afterlife, a billion years would be like a few minutes.

With Love, Mairlyn ;-)

Hey you guys...lots of replies here for me to answer too.....and thank you so much for your input on this.....it has been eating at me all day.
Yes Vicky...I already know that this wasn't just a dream....I have learned thru years of experiencing these what is a dream and what isn't. The best way that I can explain the difference is for the most part, the impact....the feelings it leaves me with. They are incredibly vivid to be just dreams.
I have always been involved with kids..since I was 9 years old. (my first babysitting job!) As a teen, I started to become aware of some deep down desire to help ease the suffering of kids all over the world....if not on a professional level, at least to be able to hug and comfort these kids and let them feel that there was someone who they could trust and that they knew loved them and would help them. I would lay my own life on the line for any child...mine or not.
That is just the way I have always been.
I studied different areas of children's physical, mental and cognitive growth for years...and then got into early childhood education.....I was basically led in that area by 'a guide'.......and if you remember from my earlier posts months ago when I wrote about this....I could feel myself literally being led by the hand....and for the first few months of the university courses that I was taking, I could not explain to anyone why I was even these courses!!
About 5 years ago I branched out from preschool teaching and got involved with the Ministry for Children and Families and became a foster mom. I loved everything that I was doing for kids...
2 years ago I moved 1,000 miles north of where I had been living....and I wanted to continue fostering up here...however I found out very quickly that the social service workers up here in the toolies are just plain idiots.......kind of a clique-y bunch..............and they were not very welcoming of me at all in their territory. They made it very difficult for me....and so I decided to leave the profession and get into something else....hence now, cashier at large!
Maybe this is a sign for me that I have strayed too far from where I am supposed to be and that I should get back to where I once was.
I have always known/felt that my place in the Big Plan was to be with kids....and all my friends used to tell me at one time that they would always be able to find me in Heaven......just look to where the kids were gathered and they would find me.
As far as retrievals go, I have never done one...and I have no idea of how to do one......I am not even sure of what the goal of a retrieval is.
In a way I am hoping that I get more clarification when I sleep tonight......I seem to be more responsive when I sleep.
Thanks guys..... :)

Wow Mystic, with your background with kids, this is the reason you are being prepared for this, whether it's going on now or what. I feel you will be working with abused children.  This will call for you to be very well centered within yourself. This is quite a job you have created for yourself, a big challenge. But I know you are up to it.

Much Love,
Mairlyn ;-)

Don't stress to much over this Mystic.  Vicky is right, more info is on the way.  I had God or a guide beat me over the head with a message once because I didn't get it the first time.

I'll share this one with you.  It might cheer you up.  When my first child, my daughter was about to turn three... I had some anxiety like a lot of first time parents have about their child's safety and well being.  I'm the type of person that hates the feeling of stress or anxiety.  And I try to adjust my belief system the minute I feel any stress.  However, worrying about your child is a hard nut to crack.  So one day while praying I expressed to God how wonderful it would be to have a guarantee that your child would be OK growing up.  What a great gift.  I could stop worrying and just enjoy life.  This was the only thing I could think of that would relieve my anxiety.  However, I expressed to God how I know he couldn't do that for me and forgive me for asking.  About a week later... The day of my daughters party I ran out for some last minute items.  I was also thinking about how we might not have enough tables for the party.  On the way to the store I drove by a tag sale.  I turned back thinking I might get lucky and find a table there.  Sure enough they had a perfect heavy duty folding table.  As the older gentleman that I bought the table from helped me load it into my truck (it was really heavy)... He says "your grandchildren will be dancing on this some day".  I laughed and was on my way.  I was in a hurry to get back.  At this point I had no reason to ever think about what that man said ever again.  Several hours later back at my house, I'm have lunch... Plenty of other stuff to think about... Three year old running around, dog on the move, wife yelling... When all of a sudden the older gentleman's voice pops into my head out of no where "your grandchildren will be dancing on this some day".  Along with the feeling of "hey wake up, do I have to come down there in person to deliver this message".  You can image the feeling I got receiving such a gift.

Hoping your message has a happy outcome.

I'm confused by that concept, Mairlyn.
Suppose me and Mike Tyson die within two years
of each other. (He's only about two years older than
me...)
Suppose my "Hell" is to be continually used as a punching bag by Mike, and his "Heaven" is to be able to clobber people like me to his heart's content. (Hey, maybe "God" is a boxing fan... "He" sure gets "His" rocks off on WAR, assuming the Bible is true..!)
Would I not experience five minutes of being pummeled as, well... five minutes of being pummeled?
How about a billion years of being pummeled?
Just an intellectual exercise, that's all...

B-man

Are you a reincarnation of the little girl or the dad?

Is your granddaughter a reincarnation of either of them?

  Hi Mystic Dreamer,

 I very much agree with Vicky, i don't think our guides show us stuff to upset us, there is usually a greater purpose.  Dunno what it is though?

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I'm confused by that concept, Mairlyn. Suppose me and Mike Tyson die within two years of each other. (He's only about two years older than me...) Suppose my "Hell" is to be continually used as a punching bag by Mike, and his "Heaven" is to be able to clobber people like me to his heart's content. (Hey, maybe "God" is a boxing fan... "He" sure gets "His" rocks off on WAR, assuming the Bible is true..!) Would I not experience five minutes of being pummeled as, well... five minutes of being pummeled? How about a billion years of being pummeled? Just an intellectual exercise, that's all... B-man

There's a lot of supposing here. ;-)
Your 'hell' would only exist for you IF it's what you want.  And Mike Tyson's 'heaven' as you say, would be his 'hell' because one doesn't keeping punching people out in a hollow heaven.

Now, you know enough about the afterlife from being on this board to KNOW that when you die, you are not going to go to a hollow hell. Unless of course that's where you want to go.  I don't see that there's any way for you to become 'stuck' in this imagined scenario.

You see, whether you realize it or not, some Light has gotten to you from being here. ::) And because of that Light, you will be attracted to a place where you will learn more, that is, if you want to. It's all up to you and what your beliefs are at the time of death which is not really death as you know by now.

I think you're just playing with me anyway. LOL  

Love, Mairlyn ;-)

Hi Mystic Dreamer,
maybe you will receive further informations about it. I want just take what you wrote and what ideas I have why this is shown to you:

You are caring for children. So, you know there is a lot of children's abuse. Now, your experience could be a message for you to become more aware of what's going on inside you. Maybe it should force you to make a decision. You watched that scene but couldn't really help (we don't know what effect your presence had). So, the decision could be: If you are concerned about children's abuse but you are not active in prevention or healing those children and you can't do it in the future, then stay away from this topic because it will make you sad and you're not helping anyone then. OR you should become active in this matter, maybe it is a deep wish inside you to do it but covered in C1. Both decisons would avoid the situation you were in, to be near a brutal act but not able to prevent it.

Don't take this as advice, just as ideas of mine.

Bye, Spooky

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Now, you know enough about the afterlife from being on this board to KNOW that when you die, you are not going to go to a hollow hell. Unless of course that's where you want to go.  I don't see that there's any way for you to become 'stuck' in this imagined scenario...
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That is assuming, of course, that I will have the faculty of rational thought, and won't be a stupefied "automaton" like I am in my dreams...
When I dream, I AM stupid... it is like I lose my ability to reflect on a situation (i.e. when my teeth fall out in a dream, or my thumb falls off - like it did in my dream a couple nights ago... I don't think "Hey, I'm dreaming" I think it is for REAL. But why would your thumb just drop off in C1 life? It WOULDN'T, that's why. It wouldn't jibe well with the good old Newtonian physics which govern C1 so reliably. So why can't I understand that when I'm DREAMING and it DOES happen?)
Is it because my CONSCIOUS mind has split away from my subconscious, off on its own adventures perhaps... and I'm experiencing from the viewpoint of my stupid, irrational believe-anything-it-sees subconscious mind?
That IS scary, no???
BTW, I'm not playing games with you, Mairlyn. I'm
"dead" serious here...

B-man

wrote on Oct 30^th, 2005 at 1:58pm:

Hi Mystic Dreamer, maybe you will receive further informations about it. I want just take what you wrote and what ideas I have why this is shown to you: You are caring for children. So, you know there is a lot of children's abuse. Now, your experience could be a message for you to become more aware of what's going on inside you. Maybe it should force you to make a decision. You watched that scene but couldn't really help (we don't know what effect your presence had). So, the decision could be: If you are concerned about children's abuse but you are not active in prevention or healing those children and you can't do it in the future, then stay away from this topic because it will make you sad and you're not helping anyone then. OR you should become active in this matter, maybe it is a deep wish inside you to do it but covered in C1. Both decisons would avoid the situation you were in, to be near a brutal act but not able to prevent it. Bye, Spooky

Spooky's suggestions are very good, whether they apply to you (not just the original poster, but to all readers), or rather, *how* they apply to you (not necessarily limited to the subject of child abuse), is up to your own willingness to see it, and work with it.

Everything that you see, experience and react to in the world (or OBE) around you, is always a reflection of something within self; there is always a potential lesson in everything that happens, a potential for you to teach yourself (the other person, the experience, the circumstances etc, don't teach you, they facilitate you with the *opportunity* for you to teach yourself, to learn from yourself, but only from your own willingness).


As regards to the widespread extent of the difficult abuse (of all kinds), terrorism, genocide, and suffering that goes on in the world today, in which the extent which reaches the media is but the tip of the iceberg; the guides, helpers, angels and Serenissimus are fully, and acutely, aware of all of this happening, but they waste no time in feeling miserable about any of this.

Feeling miserable or sad may be associated with, but does not equate to the quality of compassion or love, a common misconception among pre-Serenissimus humans.

This is not to say one 'should not' feel sad for the abuse that one hears, observes, or witnesses. Indeed, the very feeling of anger, sorrow or sadness, is useful if one practices Clarification, via Inquiry, and leads one to clarify one's true position and understanding (ie. the TurnAround) on such matters, and *evolve* the anger, sadness or sorrow into only compassion, love and (actions towards) assistantiality.

Hence, the guides & helpers et al, being acutely aware of all of the abuse and suffering that is going on in the world today (not to mention elsewhere in this Universe), do not waste precious time and energy in feeling miserable; they feel only compassion and love, and by the best of their ability, in line with the highest CosmoEthic, work with each other to maximze assistantiality in all possible ways, in all arenas, including the original poster's topic of child abuse.

There are abuses of many different kinds and severities going on, with the vast majority not being reported in, or even known by, the media... are you going to start feeling more and more miserable to know about their existence (and hence go into denial and fragmentation), or are you going to have the more evolved attitude of the more evolved guides & helpers, angels and Serenissimus, to instead be understanding (and accepting), strong, clear-headed and clear-hearted, and now moreso than ever, seize every single moment in the maximal expression and participation in assistantiality of all forms to the best of your capacity, in accordance to the greatest good possible, the highest cosmoethics, serving the evolution of one and all?

Your will, your intention, your willingness to do this, will unlock many doors (of a multidimensional nature, the 'doors' or opportunities to assist not necessarily physical or direct), and your journey (in service and assistantiality) will never be alone.

It is important, that one recognizes the possible abuse that is going on within oneself, whenever one reads of child abuse, sexual abuse, or any form of abuse, terrorism, or suffering.

That is to say, apply the TurnAround, and take self-responsibility. So do not limit your help or actions to merely (the intent on) subduing the (for instance) abusive father, or capturing the militant terrorists, yes, that may be appropriate and have to be carried out, but just as importantly, look within, Turn It Around, and check yourself, for ways in which *you* might be abusing others (in all possible ways, not merely child abuse or sexual abuse), and also, in ways you might be abusing *yourself* (and mistakenly projecting the blame onto others).

"The father should not abuse his daughter, he should be loving and kind to her".

TurnAround #1
*I* should not abuse my daughter/family/friends/associates/subordinates/fellow humans, etc, *I* should be loving and kind to them.

TurnAround #2
*I* should not abuse myself, *I* should be loving and kind to myself.

Hence, your feelings (eg. upset when hearing of abuse cases) serve to teach you more clearly about yourself, your true intentions, and your situation, but *only* if you're willing to listen, to learn, and evolve.

Or, you could just put the blame on "that bad person", "that abuse father", in other words, excuse yourself of self-responsibility, carry out retributive actions against the abuser or 'perpetrator', and perpetuate & perpetrate the chain of suffering on and on, in the world.

The choice is yours. The first step is to see it.

(The Inquiry process, the Clarification process and the TurnAround, are explained in detail in Byron Katie's, "Loving What Is", and is strongly recommended to all wishing to act as guides & helpers in the name of love and assistantiality).

Something else... (about Hemi-Sync tapes, ect.)
Does this allow for enough of a fusion of the
conscious and subconscious, that the "split"
I mention might be prevented in your dreams
(i.e., you can dream LUCIDLY and think coherently)
and ultimately might be prevented upon your
death? (Just like a martial artist perfects a fusion
between his BODY and his conscious mind?)

B-man

Mystic_Dreamer,

This is one tip I used when s…happens.  For the past tens years or so, when things happen, like accidents, losing stuff, or even unusual or disturbing incidents sort of in the category of your OBE dream, I’ve gotten into the habit of asking myself the simple little question, “Now why was that meant to be?”  The first part of this exercise, “Now why was that…” allows me to acknowledge that something significant has happen that disturbs me and that I don’t have enough data or overall perspective from which to make a judgment or draw a conclusion at this time.  For me, this is the part in releasing “it” to the universe, a higher power, or God.  Then when I say the second part, “…meant to be?” It helps me to acknowledge that “it” is not a random thing that happened, because I don’t believe that it’s a random universe and that “it” is all part of the plan that is meant for my higher good or as you might also put it, “It’s all part of God’s plan”.  This part allows some breathing space for me to recognize why it occurred or how to proceed or what it all about? Or even to take advantage of opportunities offered to me which I might not have noticed if I couldn’t mellow out enough from the emotional residue left from not being able to hand it over to a higher understanding. It also gives enough space to calm down by providing relief from having to understand an upsetting happening immediately when it might not be appropriate or possible.   Also it sometimes allows me to more gently increase my awareness to the more subtle clues to the answers I might get regarding the occurrence for a clearer view of how to proceed from here in a more prepared way.

The bottom line is that I’ve used this little tip many times with the most surprising results.  Some big and some small and others still to come but when these unexpected things pop up, they no longer bother me the way they used to and I can more quickly shift to letting them go and more readily notice when the explanation for the occurrence shows up. Hope this along with the many other suggestions helps to relieve you some.

Love, Jean  :-*      

Brendan, I know you're 'dead' serious. I really can't answer that about dreams. But I can tell you this. Years and years ago I would dream that my teeth were breaking apart and I was spitting them out. Lo and behold, it happened. I'd always taken good care of my teeth, but they just fell apart. I had top dentures at the age of 18 and lower at 30.

My dreambook says  dreaming of a thumb indicates or implies a 'grasp' or a guide. You put the meaning to it. ;-)  Something you don't have a grasp of?

Namaste`
Mairlyn

Kyo, thank you so much for your post. You always know what to say and I always look to you for the wisdom you have.

Love, Mairlyn ;-)

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Kyo, thank you so much for your post. You always know what to say and I always look to you for the wisdom you have. Love, Mairlyn ;-)

Thank you, dear Mairlyn. As is always the case (and with everyone), your expressed love & gratitude actually reflects the love & gratitude within yourself, your own loving & grateful nature.

This is the true meaning of "beauty (or joy, or sorrow, or darkess, or light, or love, or anything, for that matter) is in the eye (or to be precise, heart) of the beholder)".


Love, Kyo :)
 


When someone says something nasty about you, it doesn't mean you're nasty, it means he's nasty.

When someone says something nice about you, it doesn't mean you're nice, it means he's nice.

What you think of me, is none of my business.

What I think of you, is all of my business.

Always Turn It Around. Always take Self-Responsibility.



 
And also, the most beautiful one from Neale Donald Walsch :

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this is a good thoughtful thread, just wanted to point out something we missed in Mystics original post, the effect that she was having upon the father, so that he was aware of her so long as she remained in his presence, so that further abuse was not enacted. this part of the obe/dream/experience shows her that she is  effective, although she fears she is not effective enough.
this gives me great hope that we can and do effect others field of energy with our own energy, despite it seems all is lost.
salut my dear Mystic. I love the children too! we can do this.

love, alysia

Mystic Dreamer:

I find it interesting that you work with children in the physical, and were shown children in need by a guide. I've read that some of us work as helpers while asleep, without even being aware of it. Often a person's work in the physical, has some relation to what they do while asleep. Perhaps you help children while you're asleep, more than you know. The experience your guide lead you to, might be a conscious example of what you do.

You probably don't have to worry. You and your guide might have things worked out quite well, even if you aren't aware of it.

If anybody can figure this out, you can, because it is doubtful that a guide would present something to you that you can't figure out or handle.

B-man:
Re: thumb lost in your dream

Amputation (dream symbol)
A sort of dream of contrary. If the loss in your dream was to someone else, be prepared for some unexpected difficulties ahead; but if you dreamed of the loss of one of your own members, you can look forward to an unanticipated important gain.

Prognosis: good
Perhaps no pain, just a surprise?

nadia

There was almost NO pain, Nadia.
And that's part of what bugs me. Why
wouldn't I have KNOWN it was a dream,
due to the lack of pain, no apparent reason
for it dropping off, and the lack of blood???
I remember wanting to commit suicide though,
because I was now a "cripple." Weird, huh?

B-man

wrote on Oct 31^st, 2005 at 9:59am:

Mystic Dreamer: I find it interesting that you work with children in the physical, and were shown children in need by a guide. I've read that some of us work as helpers while asleep, without even being aware of it. Often a person's work in the physical, has some relation to what they do while asleep. Perhaps you help children while you're asleep, more than you know. The experience your guide lead you to, might be a conscious example of what you do. You probably don't have to worry. You and your guide might have things worked out quite well, even if you aren't aware of it. .

Mystic

I agree with recoverer

According to my Belief System that is based on the Spirits Doctrine (SD) it’s very common to the spirits to use incarnated humans to help people in some situations.

It is due to the fact that incarnated humans astral bodies have a more “material” energetic vibe so their thoughts or even their “words” can be more easily perceived by other incarnated humans unconsciously.
So in certain situations “guides” as you call them  need to find some body that can help in situations were they feel that an incarnated human would be able to make some suggestions to other incarnated person like thoughts of forgiveness, love, care, peace and such kind of help.

So I’d suggest you to pray and send to that father’s heart some pieces of advice you feel are more appropriated in case you meet him again.

You probably have been working with those guys in such beautiful help work for a long time but now you started to have your first recalls of such experiences.

Just let your heart sends the best it has and everything will be fine.

B-man,

This particular dream of yours is moving off the original thread topic, but if you are interested in lucid dreams there are other forums which cover this topic thoroughly.  There is no "dream" section in this forum (lucid or otherwise) but dreaming and other astral travel topics are related to retrievals.  This forum appears more specifically oriented toward retrievals via the Moen method.  It would be interesting and perhaps informative for people here to have a separate section to explore dreams, obe's, etc. and their relationship to retrievals.

You did not know you were dreaming because you were not lucid.  If you were partially lucid, which is possible, and in fear (thus thinking of suicide), the fear would be the very first issue to address.  No successful exploration of the astral, obe or otherwise, can be continued with the emotion of fear.  It inter"feres" :)  However, I don't know how anyone would be unafraid of what you experienced in your dream!  

I've heard it discussed that some dreams originate purely from daily life, and others are a doorway to obe, if you can train yourself to recognize it, and learn to work with altered brain states.

Lucidity, according to some, is a means of learning OBE.  Another forum I was recently visiting discusses this and other astral travel issues in a very lively way.  People use all kinds of techniques to learn this ability and are sharing them elsewhere.

http://www.lucidity.com/LucidDreamingFAQ2.html
Here is an interesting fact page on lucidity.

http://www.newagereseller.com/jonas/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi
A fun forum

nadia

HEY FOLKS,

Bruce Moen just put a DREAM FORUM up!  He says lots of people have wanted one...isn't that great?

nadia

Hey Mystic lady! just read Ryans post below me here and have to agree with him, thats what your obe was about, you have something inside you which is connected to children and belongs to them. a part of your spirit! Ryan surprises me his insight, but then he has always amazed me..

I realized I had read your other post when u were describing how there were social workers in your area who were making it difficult for you to do what you love to do..take care of children, protect them. maybe u could find a way to get back into it, around the obstackles, take the first step and go from there..life has too many rules, too much red tape, and all seems to thwart good intentions sometimes but your obe shows that you can be influencing in this area where the children need you, and you can tell this by the sad face that peered back at you. you can change the sad face to the happy face, thats your special talent. I didn't remember what u said until Ryan brought it to my attention! this is like your mission in life and you and I both know it's the children who become the adults after we're gone, so they are more important than the adults in a way..I know you'll find a way!
its just your presence among the kids that helps them..just your presence...
I'm getting that things will change for you if you try again, you'll have help!
love, alysia

Hey Mystic Dreamer...I finally got around to reading all this site again, so sorry for the late reply but I wanted to add anyway in case you catch this again...

I'm not sure whether this is C1 or astral but whatever it is I agree it is a very BIG signal that you need to do something or something is going to happen to you with this area. Don't go rushing to quit your day job however! You may be needed in the astral more than C1 but it may be the other way round.... have you asked to be shown more or given a push in the right direction? I think this will be good and see what you dream about (or OBE) and see whether this gives you any clues on what your purpose is.

Since you couldn't do anything physically i agree you were only meant to watch this. Maybe it was to reignite them inner desires, or rather turn the heat up? I'm not sure and feel others here have responded far better with more answers.

All I want to say is if theres one thing you have to take away from my post is too not get involved out there! If you go into this situation don't focus your thoughts on how bad it is, focus on what you need to do to make it better :). Thats what i mean by not getting involved, step back and think OK they are suffering but I can end that, I'm here to do this and also beam out all your light energy out there with a big smile so they can see you and know you are coming to save them! Although by the sounds of what you said and from how much I know you now, you do his already :)!

Good luck! And please let us know if you get any other signs or dreams, we love hearing and reading from you.

Ryan

Hi there Egdio7!..................................what an awesome little story that you wrote!!! It gave me such a warm feeling! It is surely amazing in the ways that our prayers are answered!! And your heart is clearly open to hear such messages!!
Thanks for bringing your story to this thread! I really enjoyed it!!!  ;D

Hey Marilyn!! ;D Thanks for your input on this...I value your wisdom!!! However, I will say that I don't think that I set myself up for working with kids...I think I was set up for this long before I was ever born....and when I wasn't falling into the 'Plan' so to speak...I was led there by that helping hand at that one point in my life.
Kids and I go hand in hand....we connect perfectly..it has always been that way. I was in my teens when I started to feel other things tho and that was to spread myself out in the 3rd world countries......you have no idea how much my heart cried out for those kids.....I ignored it, and went on with my life...shame on me, literally.
When I got into childcare and then into fostering, I was in my own heaven. I had kids 24/7 and I loved it. Not only was I eduacting them but I was also giving them all the love and the care that they could ever dream of. The social workers in that part of the province all knew me...and I was one of the ones at the top of their list for a care home....my home was always full and bursting with kids and laughter and joy.
Then I moved way up north here....and that all changed instantly....all over a difference of opinions and the main factor being that these workers didn't know me......yes, they could access all the files in the ministry on me .....which they did.....but these people are a strange bunch. They wanted me to do all my training all over again and go thru the entire probationary period......that is a year and a half worth of stuff! In the meantime, they were not going to use me as a foster home.....I agreed to follow their ways and do what they wanted...but I very quickly learned that they do not operate the same here as they do down south......up here when they say that they will get back to you in a week....that really means that they will get back to you in 5 or 6 months. I got frustrated really fast. Up here, there is a huge demand for foster homes...and no where near enough homes to fill the demand....I can't imagine why. I soon became very angry with their smuggness and 'get around to it attitude'......they ran me thru the wringer more than once....picking me apart like I was some kind of criminal.....I finally had enough.
anyway.......enough of that....I have never lost my love for the kids...or the desire to help them and provide safety, love and comfort.....maybe it is time that I try to pursue this again. Maybe their office has cleaned up their act somewhat... :P
I do know that I am quite able to handle any kind of situation with the kids...and in groups of kids....(it's nothing to me to be packing 7 or so kids with me at any time....lol..the more the merrier for me!!)
I was always the happiest that I ever was when I had them all....snotty noses and all!
So I don't doubt what I can handle, plus more.
It's a gift that I was given....
And my heart, even tho it cries for all those kids...is what actually pumps out all the love that they get from me....funny how saddness turns to love by your heart, huh?
Thanks Marilyn!!

Oh and Chumley!!!! I wanted to say something about your first reply here on this thread....you mentioned that there are many kids in hell for millions of years to come.........I think you are wrong on that. I don't believe that children ever go to hell...there is hell on earth, yes, and for many kids their life here on earth is hell....just as there are adults whose life is hell here. Adults can change their hell.....children cannot....and somewhere in the Bible it says that the children are never hell-born.....that God keeps them under his wing after they cross over into the next life. They never go to hell ....just straight to be with Jesus. Children who die from abuse in this lifetime...doesn't send them to hell, even if hell was for kids.........if their life is taken because of abuse, they will automatically go to Heaven.
Does that make any sense?? Or maybe I misunderstood what you said?
Then again....as it has been said on this board here before, we chose to incarnate into specific life patterns .......these children who have incarnated into an abusive life are doing so in attempt to learn something that they missed the first time around......I know, it doesn't make any sense why a soul would want to come back to live that way...however, there are many things to learn from living in an abusive life.......forgiveness is one of them. Also strength, self  esteem.....many many things can be taken from a life like that......
They already know that they will suffer in that kind of life....and they chose it....and sometimes maybe not just for themselves to grow on, but rather than to help another soul with a learning curve....to develop in where they are lacking.....mmmmmmm, to develop so that they can fulfill their own life plan.
See? And then out of these things, others get something from it as well...the ones who help these kids....or the ones who treat these kids in the medical system....we all get something from it....it helps us attain the goals and purposes of our own Life Plan.
But no.....kids never go to hell when they die...to continue suffering. I don't remember the facts on that Biblical statement, but if I remember correctly, it has to do something with free will and the ability to know 'right from wrong'.....and a child therefore can never know the difference at such a young age.....the drawing line is when a child reaches an age of understanding and knowingly going out and committing something wrong.........stealing a cookie from the jar and then lying about it at the age of 5 does not constitute the ability to know 'wrong from right'..........it is much more complex than that. In that case, what a child is lacking is in having learned the meaning of honesty...trust....and being able to accept the consequences of his/her actions. A child that age is not able to fully comprehend such things yet....in fact, not really until they are 11 or 12 years of age.....
I hope this makes sense.....if there was even any need for sense making at all!!! I could have just misunderstood what you said! In that case I have just babbled!!!! Again!!!!

Hey everyone.......I haven't been around here much over the past few days and just came back on-board today and started reading some of the replies here....which have been awesome!
Kardec, Recoverer, Alysia......Ryan......Kyo....Spooky....all awesome replies...very thoughtful, and full of your great wisdom. You have all given me much to think about.
One thing that always stands out in your replies is the love , support and understanding.....I love you guys!!!!!
I wrote a few replies here awhile ago and then took a dinner break and watched the news....
I want to share with you something that was headling our news up here....something that I had no idea of prior and shocked me. I think it relates directly to this OBE that I had that we have been talking about here.
The news story was that of an inquiry that is under way concerning the ministry for children and families in this province with respect in relation to the recent death (just a few days ago I believe) of a 2 year old native (aborignal I should say) girl.
This little girl died while in the care of a foster home. She died of swelling on the brain and other facial injuries. This child lived and died in this town that I live in.
They showed a picture of this little child on the tv.....she looks just like the child in this obe that I had.
The injuries and death were caused by the foster family....which were of the same culture as this little girl.....could have been family members that this child was placed in...the ministry here will do that...place a child in custody with other family members before placing them into direct foster care.
This is just to much of a coincidence for me.....when did I first bring this thread up?? A week ago?? Something like that? This could have been the child reaching to me....there could have been something that I could have done to stop this...if only, I don't know what.
I was thinking about one of the replies here on how I could be helping these kids thru my dreams....and that gave me some hope. That my presence was known to the dad and that prevented him from further abusing this child, at that moment.......and then in another reply, it was said that I should write stuff down and then I would remember more smaller bits and peices of this and that it would help me to figure this out further. Which I did.....started writing things down....and yes, there was more that I remembered in doing this. I remembered that I saw the dad on a few different moments in this obe, reach for and grab this little girl in such a way that he hoped that I wouldn't notice .......as in, make his own body move in such a way to hide what his hand was doing to this girl (pull her hair....or to grab the flesh of her arm to hurt her....)....things done in such a way that I might not notice it. But I did notice....I have been there in my own life, down that same road with how my ex abused my own daughters. I know.
So....yes...I do believe that my presence helped......and it is a comforting thought to me to know or think, that my presence even while dreaming, will help these kids. However, it didn't seem to help this little girl because now she is gone.
Maybe this wasn't an obe for me but instead just one of those dreams that shows me something that is about to happen.
At this point, I feel hugely disillusioned and confused.

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Hey Marilyn!!  Thanks for your input on this...I value your wisdom!!! However, I will say that I don't think that I set myself up for working with kids...I think I was set up for this long before I was ever born....and when I wasn't falling into the 'Plan' so to speak...I was led there by that helping hand at that one point in my life.

Yes, very true. And YOU were the one who chose this life before you came into it along with help from guidance. And you've had help all along the way to accomplish this. ;-)

With Love,
Mairlyn ;-)

Geeze Marilyn.....this reply of yours has really made me feel good!! "puffed up my wings'!!!!!!!
Thanks!!!!
Love, Sandy

Your Angel wings. ;-)

Much Love, Mairlyn ;-)

Sweet words, Mar.......thank you!!  ;)

And I need to make a correction here....I relayed some wrong information here last night when I passed along the news story about the 2 year old child that died while in foster care here in this town. I stated that as far as I heard in the news story, that this was a fairly recent incident.....in fact, it is not a recent one. It was again in the news tonight and this horrible incident actually happened here 5 years ago....and is just coming back into the news now  because of the inquiry that is beginning.
This incident happened 3 years before I ever moved up here and I had never heard of this story until it appeared in the news last night.
This incident came to me in a dream, or obe, one week before it hit the news again....I am thinking now that this might be a retrievel in need.......that this child came to me in need of a retrievel....or maybe the purpose is for me to speak on behalf of this child at the inquiry? I don't know.........I am not sure what good I can do in speaking at an inquiry as I have no first hand knowledge in the case...so I am thinking maybe retrievel. Could she be stuck? Or maybe there is some unfinished business in this case left to be found...something that this child is going to try to communicate to me? Any ideas?
What is the best way to go about finding more information from her.....just to speak to her before I go to sleep? To let her know that I am open and willing to listen and to help....to give me more information so that I can help her? I think I read these answers here already.....guess I just need some moral support here. I have never down anything like this before.
......and just for the sake of saying so.....it is snowing like a bugger out there tonight!!! whooooooooooopie!!! Merry Christmas!!! Sleigh bells ring....all the way to work!! lol ;D

Hey Mystic Dreamer!

This is a really exciting post and I can tell your way over the moon with it all its great that this is happening to you! You were meant to do this for sure :)!

If you want more information just ask to be shown and/or be taken back there to help, you are on the spot with what you said about just speaking to her but also your guides as well, they are there for you also. Also when meditating, maybe you can OBE or use phasing as a concious means again to go back and help, use your imagination to take you back and go with it, and soon it will take over and you will really be there to help.

I'm not sure how you mean with helping at the enquiry but you have to tread carefully if you are going to do this. After recently seeing the show 'Afterlife' shown here in the UK it shows a women medium trying to help and she does in the end but people don't believe her, she gets a name for herself and things go downhill etc etc and I don't want to see anything like this happen to you!!

Try asking your guides as well what should be my next move, what do i need to do to help? Maybe you might get a dream or be shown something which will give you your answers?

And lastly I can believe its snowing already there, i know you said it was freezing up but wow! Here in England its still sunny, just cold now...lol

Good Luck!

Ryan

Mystic, I'm sure that if you are meant to retrieve this 2 year old, that you will do it. I don't feel that it would do any good speaking about this at the inquiry as you know how people react and you would be labeled as a nut. People always want proof.  Look at some of the people here on this forum. ;-) However, keep yourself open to anything that comes to you.

Much Love, Mairlyn ;-)