Hi White Feather,

 I have very little to no money to my name.  If i happen to come into some, i will send some your way if you need it.

 Yes, we are faulted Beings, and we need to work on ourselves more to sublimate the false Self...  I believe all of us are trying this.

 But, its does us no good to concentrate on the negatives...  I use to do that with politics and the way this country is going.  And i tried practical solutions, but i found you can't treat a spiritual problem solely through material means...  And my anger towards the system, wasn't doing me, or anybody any good.  I believe we should care, and try to change things, but accept the things we cannot change and be a bit more detached and impersonal to life and ourselves..

 People that suffer a lot emotionally, i've noticed, are always the ones that think most about themselves, even if they are bascically nice and good people...  But it seems selfishness, and habitual self centeredness automatically makes people feel crappy in life..  I know cause i've been very immersed in this in the past, and occasionally get caught up in it the present.

 Its like, how do you quite worrying?  You just stop worrying.  Also, Meditation helps a lot.  If your body is very unbalanced and toxic, diet and exercise help a lot.

With Love

I have tried to help.  And sending money or my bank account number is not necessarily an act of love.  I think this board has become WF's own psychoanalysis corner - and many like myself have been sincere in our efforts.

The board is directed toward the afterlife and consciousness, however, and as such - these rants do not belong here.  They are self indulgent, selfish and not geared toward the afterlife, or a general discussion.

WF - you are truly creating your own hell - despite counseling and effort by myself and others to stop you.  Sorry to hear it, but you talk and talk and don't truly take advice.  So, you are making your bed of reality; now you will have to sleep in it.

Pleasant dreams, dear one.

[quote author=Justin2710

 But, its does us no good to concentrate on the negatives...  I use to do that with politics and the way this country is going.  And i tried practical solutions, but i found you can't treat a spiritual problem solely through material means...  And my anger towards the system, wasn't doing me, or anybody any good.  I believe we should care, and try to change things, but accept the things we cannot change and be a bit more detached and impersonal to life and ourselves..

I HEAR YOU ON THE ABOVE. I WAS ANGRY ABOUT POLITICAL THINGS FOR A WHILE, BUT FINALLY REALIZED IT DOES NO GOOD TO GET ANGRY.



 People that suffer a lot emotionally, i've noticed, are always the ones that think most about themselves, even if they are bascically nice and good people...  But it seems selfishness, and habitual self centeredness automatically makes people feel crappy in life..  I know cause i've been very immersed in this in the past, and occasionally get caught up in it the present.

I'VE ALSO SEEN PEOPLE ACT IN THE ABOVE MANNER. IT'S LIKE THEY FORGET ABOUT THEIR GOOD HEARTS, WHEN DIFFICULTY COMES THEIR WAY.
With Love[/quote]

White Feather,

When I encouraged you to make your own mistakes my purpose was to encourage you in a general way.  That was sincere advice from my own life experience.  I won't involve myself in your topics again.

This type of posting that you did here is self-destructive and completely unrelated to the purposes of the forum.  It is sad to me because everyone here has offered you so much kindness.  Goodbye, and I wish you the best.

respectfully,
blink

In the end the only person who can help you is yourself.

Try to understand, that "love" may not exist. Can you describe what love is? Do you know when you have achieved it? the answer = no.

So how do you know when you have been given it from other people? The simple answer is you dont.

Your the one who is acting strange around here, your posts come across as a beaten/wife, or child might.

Theres ALWAYS someone worse off then you, so stop crying about split milk, and help yourself out of your problems, with or without the advice from people on this board.

But what you said about the people on the board and money, is very true.

I asked why they did'nt claim the 1 million dollar prize for proving that OBE'S are real. The answer = they dont need money.

My reponse = you may not need money, but it sure takes the sting away from being poor.

If loveness was a major goal of people, then a 1 million dollar donation to the "spitfire needs a new plasma tv charity". would have created much love.

But i have recieved no check, which cleary indicates love is a fairy tale, (in C1 anyhow).

Well, love doesn't cause people to be dumb. At least ways not unconditional love. If anything it will cause people to act intelligently.

Consider the following:
A person is suffering and is need of help. You understand that they are suffering and what suffering is, because you yourself have suffered before. Therefore, you understand that sufffering is an unpleasant thing.

But what prompts you to care whether somebody other than yourself  is suffering? It isn't a matter of something you've learned. Rather, it's a matter of the power of love being alive inside of you. If you open yourself to it, you can't help but feel love towards another.

Thoughts close us off from love that is always there. They don't cause it.

Recoverer.....you are so right...

Hey White feather,

I don't tend to like to get involved in situations like this, i feel they always go round in circles and only bad comes out of them but I want to reply to yours in a peaceful way to understand...


wrote on Oct 26^th, 2005 at 7:57am:

I feel many of you are reacting in a very judgmental way with me. For you say you are all loving, but as you read my problems, none of you gave me the number of their bank-accounts to help me practically. So, physically speaking, and since my concept of love is still incomplete (which under this topic I won't apologize for), I think you are all as handicapped as I am and it really makes me happy, since then I know I am not allone on my difficult path towards less nice places, wherever that is.

I am confused i must of missed something.... you say about none of us gave you our bank account details, do you actually mean this or is this a metaphor for something else??

Also I always say things like this just to get people thinking, you say we are all very judgemental, but then aren't you doing the same by saying by not giving you physical help or something we don't care or even want to help, i may have got this wrong... also saying we are all hanicapped like yourself as you said is also judgemental...but then who am I to judge?

It is a difficult path and we all have faults, I believe this is the wrong way about expressing your feelings about ours but also at least we have helped since you now say you feel slightly happy thinking you know we have the same....


wrote on Oct 26^th, 2005 at 7:57am:

Now, to get this more clearly, I think you are all not very honest on this message board. You are all just pretending to be great minds here, but in fact, by doing that, you just all disguise yourself to look better than what you really are and as some of you have so kindly stated -- you experience the same problems I do, yet none of you bring those up on this board.

This is the internet, anyone can be anyone here, I am sure the majority here are who we know them as and not just something they have made up. Also some people may not want to share their problems here, we don't all experience the same problems you do, i don't see how you can say this and think of justifying it, everyone is different, everyone faces their own problems. I'm sure many here have been through rough times before and just haven't said anything because what would this achieve? I myself have nothing to complain with, i could complain about  alot but then again i wouldnt feel better for it plus my problems are rather superficial even if they don't seem like it to me sometimes! Exactly like Justin said you have to look at the positive otherwise I'm sure if we all looked at the negative we could all go on for days complaining and moaning and then this board would be a place of misery not love and light which it is.[/quote]


wrote on Oct 26^th, 2005 at 7:57am:

And this makes me doubt at how much I can thrust you with your advice really and how loving you really are. One of my fears has always to be honest at the greatest level. Since I am on my way to vanquishing this fear on this board, I really feel like pursuing my criticism of your strange behavior. I think you are even more hypocritical, because you all need to eat and you all need your computer to chat on this board, yet none of you state how lucky you are to possess such luxury. And all of you talk about love, but none of you (and neither did I) state, that we all grow to love thanks to items (computer, food, books, etc) that only money can buy, even if they were made with love.

People here give advice and from what I have since it has all come with the intent of goodwill and helping. People did not have to post, they could of like you said earlier just looked at another topic (this is not directed at you) but people do post to help because they want to help someone who is in need. Maybe if you feel you have been treated unfairly you should say why like you feel this way rather than ranting and raving, i feel this could bring a better solution, maybe names left out would be ideal as finger pointing does no one know good, but then we can see how we have gone wrong in your eyes, we are all learning here like you stated yourself...

I have also have said a few times how grateful I am to be here with all you guys, i may have not qouted all the material things but in a whole I am so glad we can be together here, me personally I have learnt so much and found new friends here and can talk about what I experience at ease and also listen to others and help, I am grateful. I do know we are all grateful for what we have and yes whitefeather things are taken for granted and your right in saying we should notice this but just because people don't post how grateful they are doesn't mean they aren't, i feel this is a wrong assumption from you, we could go on for days saying everything we are grateful for (and i'm only thinking material things like you said) but you know what it isn't really needed to prove we are, or to prove to anyone else.



wrote on Oct 26^th, 2005 at 7:57am:

I also think you don't show enough understanding for people like me, who half of their life were not given the opportunity to talk about such deep matters and therefore have more narrow views.

Whitefeather I feel this applies to a lot of people not just you, we have people of many ages here, some who have only just found a place here who are older than you! We try to be understanding and directing this at you from what I have seen people have tried to help but in some cases you rejected this ideas by not taking them on and therefore like qouted before creating you own hell, I know this is always the case and from a very narrowpointed view as well as I am not entierly sure of your whole story and hell, im 18 so what do I know!


wrote on Oct 26^th, 2005 at 7:57am:

In your misunderstanding, lack of patience and compassion, you show your lack of love, which I experience daily and I intend to give you complete understanding for that.

Thankyou for yours too. I hope I have touched on something and made you think a bit more on this subject, but please make us think more as well as I have stated but lets keep this thread open to communication, so many times in my limited time here have I seen words thrown about and things said which have done more worse than good.

Ryan

I think money wasn't exactly WF's main concern, but anyway I'd like to say:

The time I spend to get money is the exactly time I need to have the things I consider useful. The remaining time I spend doing the things that I really like. Is it wrong?

You could work 20 hours a day and get rich instead of working 8 hours and share pleasant moments with your son. One person one style, my choice is to enjoy my time with my son. (of course it won’t bring a plasma TV) and about computers I don’t have one. I use my company’s computer to talk to you.

Hugs.

wrote on Oct 26^th, 2005 at 12:41pm:

Well, love doesn't cause people to be dumb. At least ways not unconditional love. If anything it will cause people to act intelligently. Consider the following: A person is suffering and is need of help. You understand that they are suffering and what suffering is, because you yourself have suffered before. Therefore, you understand that sufffering is an unpleasant thing. But what prompts you to care whether somebody other than yourself  is suffering? It isn't a matter of something you've learned. Rather, it's a matter of the power of love being alive inside of you. If you open yourself to it, you can't help but feel love towards another. Thoughts close us off from love that is always there. They don't cause it.

Love is learned. (if love exists, and it's not a chemical reaction based upon our experiences)

We all view "love" as our own personal interpretation of an action we assume to be morally correct by our standards.

Hitler loved his country by getting rid of the jews. Would 90% of the world agree, this was an act of love?, i doubt it. But to him it was.

The japanese during ww2, did huge barbaric things to allied soldiers, because they were taught that they were superior, they would stab woman/kids/wounded soldiers to death, without a second thought.

Love never entered the equation. Because it's personal to those who have been taught what love is.

Theres no love in the animal kingdom, it's a continous cycle of eat or be eaten.

We are merely animals with a more active brain. It is our human existence which defines us, if we were ment to be love tokens, we would have no suffering in the world.

If you get pleasure from the concept of being "loved", then go with it, but unless you can prove it's existance, then i would'nt base my entire life on injecting it into yourself and others.

Well, Chilipepperflea  ( god I love your name!!!  LOL )....I am with you...as I feel I have missed something here too...
I wanted to say something to you White Feather...and that is that I feel you are very wrong about the people who are here on this board.
I have talked about some of my most deepest troubles and past experiences here...and never once have I ever felt judged, ignored or condemned. Quite the opposite....I have received so much more support and advice and encouragement from those here...more than I could ever have imagined from an internet site...where...on the internet, we are cyber souls.....could be anyone who we want to be.
Sometimes we can be so wrapped up in our own personal little drama/trauma that we can't see past the end of our nose.....and I feel that is the case with you....and I don't mean that in an offensive way either. What I mean is that you haven't been able to open up yet and 'hear' the words that have been spoken to you.
At some point you need to re-open your heart and learn to listen and feel again.
Many of the people that I have made friends with here are going to be friends for life....even tho we are at the opposite ends of the continent!
I wish you luck anyway...... ;)

Dear White Feather,

While I understand that you must be frustrated because you can't get the answers you want here, you shouldn't stop looking for them.

Secondly, we may be slightly hypocritical in some ways, but I don't believe any of us have ever claimed to be perfect. We're all just searching, too.

White Feather, I'm amazed at you. You have asked for so much help and have been given it and now are turning around and basically spitting on all the people and the good advice you've been given.

You want people to solve your problems for you. That ain't gonna happen. Only YOU can do that.

I can't believe that you'd ask for someone's bank account number. Gee maybe I should too. I live from month to month on social security and can barely make it. Oh poor me.

You are in the poor me, victim mode and only YOU can get yourself out of it. You created all your problems yourself. We each create our own reality.

I'm sorry for you and feel love and compassion for you and hope that you can eventually put your EGO aside and start listening to these people who have been helping you.

Namaste`
Mairlyn  ::)

wrote on Oct 26^th, 2005 at 9:53pm:

White Feather, I'm amazed at you. You have asked for so much help and have been given it and now are turning around and basically spitting on all the people and the good advice you've been given. You want people to solve your problems for you. That ain't gonna happen. Only YOU can do that. I can't believe that you'd ask for someone's bank account number. Gee maybe I should too. I live from month to month on social security and can barely make it. Oh poor me. You are in the poor me, victim mode and only YOU can get yourself out of it. You created all your problems yourself. We each create our own reality. I'm sorry for you and feel love and compassion for you and hope that you can eventually put your EGO aside and start listening to these people who have been helping you. Namaste` Mairlyn  ::)

That seems to be some very tough love Mair....

With Love old friend

wrote on Oct 26^th, 2005 at 11:03pm:

geeez! ..:) they didnt move the post??...lucky girl..you are so lucky.. you know..this board used to have strict rules once upon a time..:) so strict that i remmeber a couple  nice, partnered-exploratin tral kind of  dreams of mine ..vanished..since they semmed slightly of topic.. you are so darn lucky you are still exactly  where you wanted to be on this board with this..this post..and i think this is unjust..very very unjust.

Haven't we all felt sorry for ourselves at one time or the other, and some of us even occasionally lashed out at others in our suffering?

 We must always look to self first.  There is nothing wrong with giving firm advice sometimes, but if it is not in Love, then you will be the one to suffer.....

I think Bruce may move this eventually when he sees it.  Very few of us have been posting consistently about just the Afterlife--besides, its a rather broad topic.

Sometimes it's needed Justin. I didn't get to be 66 by bitching and complaining about the help I wasn't getting. I gave thanks for all the help I got and still do.  If you've read all of WF's many, many, many posts and seen the loving replies of help she's gotten, then maybe you'd understand.  ???

With Love,
Mairlyn ;-)

I see the censor is at work again. Oh, I love it. ROFLOL

Hi Mair,

 I know... i wasn't putting you down.  And i basically agree.

Hi Damla,

 I'm not really telling you anything, i'm just speaking my own truth.  

 I agree with you, some of these threads are way overboard with breaking Bruce's rules.  I have no say in this either way, so i don't much care what is here or what isn't.  I'm not so attached to Bruce's site as to become indignant or self righteous if others don't play like me, and especially since i don't always follow the guidelines.

 If i don't like someones posts and topics, i simply just don't read them and voila they don't bother me.

 I just do not like overtly bashing people, and perhaps its an illusion of mine, but sometimes i feel the need to stick up for them.  This isn't to say that i don't ever firmly tell people what i percieve about them as something to work on.

 I just got booted from a site for telling someone that they were creating their own suffering, and it was no use to blame others, but i tried to do it in as respectful manner as possible, without name calling and outright violent bashing.  Quite frankly i don't know why exactly i was booted other than a karmic pattern and that people are always much more afraid of the light, then they are of the dark.

 "Few of us" was a general statement about a general observation that a lot of people here aren't much sticking to the guidlines.  I wasn't talking about you specifically as i don't even know or remember you.

 I'm glad you care for the rules and have integrity, that is something that should make you happy within self, but i don't think too many are really going to care about this.

Ta Nah Sen

wrote on Oct 27^th, 2005 at 12:04am:

Do you know what i have been through last night? Do you know? Do you care? do you care what people would feel after what happened to them last night and then when they read you?? do you?? you dont, do you!? neither do i! Since there are no rules i would like to tell that too..i would like to tell what happened to me last night..listen carefully, listen because and it is not fake as your foto! last night my 20 year neighbour, living upstairs, a father to son, a son to a 92 old man has commited suicide and i heard the sound when he hit the ground ..do you think it is the frustration that you are feeling?

 I know you are talking to White Feather but i just wanted to say that i'm sorry to hear about this sad tragedy, and my heart goes out to you.  I've never have experienced anything like this, and wouldn't even know how to deal with it.

 I can only pray for healing to come to your Heart and for those others who loved this young man.  

With Love

Oh, for goodness sake. Come on all you posters on this topic - it has now become like a squabble between school children, and, as has been mentioned, is totally off topic.
I agree with Marilyn. What she said needed to be said even though it may seem harsh to some. It all depends upon how it is read and a person`s interpretation of what is written.

It`s no wonder that many of the previous contributors don`t post here any more. I`m sure the former regulars know who I mean.

Anyway, in saying that, best wishes to you all in your various quests.

roger. :)

Dear Damla,

I feel your frustration, however, if we look at everything with love in our hearts, we can see a soul asking for help. Yes, I came down on WF, but I did it with love.

The energies that are coming in now are coming in fast and furious and these energies bring up emotions from the past or past lives and it's a time of releasing. I will look at your posts as releasing what you need to release. We are all God sparks and are all part of ONE.

I send everyone on the board Love and Light and healing energy. My heart is your heart, we are all connected. Peace be with all of you.

In Spirit of ONE,
Mairlyn

I like what you just said very much, Mairlyn.  It is good to hear.

love, blink

Damla said:

whatever your name is mrs fake foto..there are crappity smacking  rules in this universe, if this is the best logic you could drive aout of all that you have been through, you too go and commit suicide. i couldnt have cared less.
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Gee, Damla, maybe it's her prom photo or something. (Cosmeticians can make the plainest sow's ear into the prettiest silk purse for THAT event... if memory serves me rightly, they did it for MY date on my big prom night!)
So why wouldn't she put her nicest picture up for purposes of this board?
I got some problems of my own, AND I'm quite the handsome devil... or so I've been told by a LOT of people. Been told that since high school.
BUT -
Looks don't make for much... and  they DON'T solve Jack Feces for you when all's said & done. NOT like a kick-ass attitude does, anyway. But who'd even guess that in a moronic consumer/media culture like 21st-century America?
For what it's worth,

B-man