Just wanted to share this experience since there is a lot of talk lately about OBE's.

This one happened in July.  As I woke one morning, before even opening my eyes, I realized I was waking and didn't want to.  It was my day off and I wanted to sleep in!  The next thing I knew was, I felt myself moving away from myself.  What I mean by that is, I could feel myself still lying in bed and was completely aware of my physical self, but at the same time my awareness also began to float away from my body.  Visually I instantly saw that I was outside, although there was no feeling of distance between my visual awareness and my awareness of my body.

I didn't know where I was, but what I saw was my husband standing on a lawn, holding something in his hands.  He was looking at the lawn carefully, examining it, and occasionally bending over.  Although I had complete visual acuity and conscious awareness, for some reason I had absolutely no clue what he was doing.  This did not seem characteristic of him at all.  What did he care about the lawn?  He never carefully studies anything!  So I just kind of floated there watching him, when he motioned for me to come closer.  He then pointed down into the grass as he wanted me to look at something.  So I felt my awareness float over to him and look down into the grass.  And there I see a tiny dead mouse that looked so peaceful.  I felt so sorry for the poor little thing and wondered how I could help it.  

I got so caught up in trying to figure out how to help a dead mouse, that I began to think too much! Since I still had awareness of being in both places at once, I then got myself confused trying to think how my physical self could come to where I was and help a poor dead mouse--perhaps I could bring my covers from my bed?  No, that wouldn't work, and what good would that do?  BAM!  Too much thinking and I was pulled away and woke up in my body.  

Well, it was a very cool experience indeed, but I had no clue what it meant until later on that evening.

As I was preparing dinner, my husband was busily tidying up the house because he was expecting company.  They were just supposed to drop by briefly, and were now already over an hour late, but he still was frantically picking up the house.  (This is why I love having company, it gets him doing house work-ha!)  

Anyway, the last thing he said he wanted to go do was to clean up the dog poo in the back yard.  So he grabbed a plastic grocery baggie and the pooper scooper, and out he went into the back yard.  He stood there looking at the lawn...examining it...and occasionally bending over.  You get the picture.  This is exactly what happened in my early morning OBE.  

But it didn't occur to me yet at this point.  I had remembered the OBE clearly, but I just hadn't made the connection until I heard him holler, "Hey, Vic.  Come out here and see this dead mouse."  Okay, now it hit me.  I think I went flying out the door in disbelief.  There he stood looking exactly like he had in my OBE.  As I bent over and peered into the grass, there was that tiny dead mouse, looking so peaceful as if he were merely sleeping.  I did indeed feel sorry for it, but knew there was nothing I could do.  

This OBE was an exceptional one for me, as it gave me this concrete proof that I was indeed out of my body and experiencing something that I would otherwise have no way of knowing.  The information of the dead mouse was not important.  But this experience showed me several things:  How to recognize that separation feeling, how my thinking and perception works while out of body, how I had a look at a future event.  

My feeling as to why I had this experience is that it would help my learning process as far as how perception and awareness work, and that I could trust those two things to be true and accurate means of experiencing reality.  

Vicky

Wow! This is amazing and I love them OBE's lol ;D!

I've never had dual awareness before of my body and being somewhere else, sounds pretty freaky and must feel strange!

And seeing a future event as well! I would of collasped out there right in the garden next to the dead mouse lol, must be an amazing feeling of relization and intensity!

Do you have any more? Would love to hear :D!

Ryan

Hi Vicky, just had to say I loved your story. Thanks for sharing! :D

Hi Vick

I wish you had posted that story at my thread “The Old “proof”stuff” cause that was exactly the sort of experience I was asking for.

It was wonderful (not for the mouse of course) :-/
I loved it.

Hi Kardec,

I know I should have, your thread made me think of it.  But I wanted to hear responses from it too, make it stand out a bit more if you know what I mean?  So I made a new thread for it knowing everyone would see it.  

I wasn't even going to post it at all until I saw you ask for people's proof so thanks for the nudge!  But you know, does this kind of experience make people believe in the OBE state?  This certainly is proof enough for me, but then again I was the one who experienced it.  It might not satisfy most people who just read it.  

But I wasn't looking for proof, as I have had many OBE's and I already believe in them.  So perhaps this was proof for others as well?  Who knows. (My husband doesn't believe any of it.  He thinks we're all insane here on this board.  Well, if we are all completely nuts then its fine with me.  As long as I have all you guys to be nuts with, I'm happy).

Tayo, thanks, I am glad you liked it!

And Ryan,

The dual awareness SOUNDS freaky yes, but it isn't.  When it happens it actually makes perfect sense!  Do you understand what I mean?  I love when it happens, and I am able to have complete conscious thought and awareness of BOTH aspects at the same time.  I have not split into more than two at a time I don't think but would love to experience that too.

A weird feeling of deja vu just crept over me, I think we have had a discussion on this before on this board?? I dunno...

...doesnt mean i dont wanna talk again cuz ive forgotten but i can understand wat your saying somehow, i know what you mean but cant understand the experience at all, and more than two!!! Crazy man lol!

Ryan

Ryan, maybe we all had a talk about this last night...  I felt a lot going on last night... 8)

Great experience Vicky! And time didn't matter. Thank you for sharing.

Ryan and Tayo, it is possible we do gather together out there and chat about things, make plans, why not!  I just wish I had a better memory for it.    

Recoverer, you are right, time doesn't matter.  I love to discover new things about "time".  It is such an interesting concept.  

If you guys REALLY knew me, I mean like hung out with me and stuff, you would know what a doofus I am most of the time.  I just think it is hilarious that I get such a silly kind of OBE experience, but at least there is a lot to learn from it.  

I just wouldn't mind having some earth-shattering experiences as well!  Is that my ego talking?   ;)

Hi Vicky and all,
I must say it's good you finally decided to post this experience! Not earth-shattering? If I had this experience it would be at least a little earth-shattering for me!
I have always found those matches of C1 and altered states are important. It gives you a feeling of, well, that these altered-states experiences are really connected to what's going on in physical business, and that these experiences are grounded, and not just "airy", like if you say "pretty impressing but weird, why am I always making up those things?".
 I personally feel I'm in need for those hints, coincidents between mind-journeys and C1-life. So, for you it must be great to experience it, but also for others. I believe what you told is true, so it's a proof for me too that those things are possible, so, again, it's good you post it! (And, of course, it is the same with all you other people who shared your experiences!) I have always to be reminded of the reality of my own mind journeys. Well, can't hold it back: How it is possible that your husband don't believe you when you tell him those things? That is, he thinks you are a liar or really insane or what?!
 Interesting is what you told about your split awareness, Ryan is right, we had that on a thread before, so, in this case, were you "just eyes", just a viewpoint so to say and your body, which you still felt, in bed, or had you a different, additional body when you "went" to the lawn? I find, in the long run it might be useful to compare those experiences, from totally in a different body, then split consciousness to more imaginative-"knowing"- experiences from which we might come to make a theory, just for now, ad hoc, cause that can lead to further journeys and let become more people successful in accessing and participating similar states of awareness who are now not able to maybe because of too narrow and categoric theories. (Of course, there are already good books etc. but there can be never too much of good stuff!)

Bye, Spooky

Hi Vicky, thanks for this thread! I'm searching my mind for a similar experience of dual consciousness + seeing the future, but so far searching my memory for discussion with you, I come up with dual consciousness + seeing future "self", but not dual cons. + an event.
I've seen an event unfold up to a year in advance which is buggin' at first, but it led me down a road to surmise, we really are probes of higher selves, and this here physical reality is just a movie we've been inserted into, within some previous choosing of course and then our memory wiped clean of that, to gather experience.
this is not as negative as you might at first think.
actually it fits right in with ACIM's statement "the journey is already done." we just "think" it's not done.

anyhoo, you had your event occur the same day which is great, mine are all down the road a ways...except for a few times I would meet someone astrally, a stranger, then the following day they would show up at my door, or I would meet them somehow. it really made conversation difficult when I meet someone "ahead" of time, because I keep wanting to spill my guts on them, and they of course don't know where your head is at, or what you're staring at them weirdly for.
it's not proof for them, in other words but powerful self truth. well, anyway I have this long drawn out philosophy of a holographic universe reproducing itself endlessly and scientifically as mirror images of itself and that all time is one thing. have I ascended? ;D

I often think I'm dead and the only way I know I'm alive is to check the internet... :D  just kidding.

thanks, and btw this is the only place I know of to come and let it all hang out....love, alysia

Spooky said:  
How it is possible that your husband don't believe you when you tell him those things? That is, he thinks you are a liar or really insane or what?!
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No, he doesn't think I am lying, and yes he has called me crazy before!  He will need to strengthen himself or this will end our marriage eventually.  We "work it out" but only after much arguement.  You see, I don't just offer these experiences to him anymore.  If he happens to read my stuff I write, then he finds out about them.  It's not that I want to hide it from him, but I do know that he doesn't believe in anything spiritual or paranormal, so because of that I don't push my beliefs on him.  He does know that I am not technically crazy, but he gets angry because he doesn't understand this kind of stuff.  Then it also makes him mad that he can't change me.  He is negative and cynical most of the time, and people like that have the need to change others.  When he can't change me he gets mad.  Eventually he calms down and the argument passes and he forgets about it.  The whole thing is stupid and I hate it, but what can I do?  He is a good person and I won't ever try to change him.  But if he forced me to choose between my spiritual path and our marriage, well he knows the answer.  In the long run, somehow I believe we are both growing and learning from our spiritual differences.  There must be a reason we are together.  


Spooky said:
 Interesting is what you told about your split awareness, Ryan is right, we had that on a thread before, so, in this case, were you "just eyes", just a viewpoint so to say and your body, which you still felt, in bed, or had you a different, additional body when you "went" to the lawn?
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This is a great question Spooky.  The way I take notes on my experiences is to chart which ones were this way, which ones were that way.  Okay, this mouse OBE was the kind where yes I had the split, but my self that was viewing the dead mouse was a "point of consciousness".  I did not perceive myself to have a body.  I floated, not walked.  I also noted that I had no sense of hearing.  It wasn't necessary though, as I could understand everything through knowing.  When I had thoughts, they were either thoughts from my point of consciousness self, or they were thoughts from my self in bed.  And both selves were aware of the other self.  Somehow, it just made perfect sense at the time and did not see odd at all.  The sense of seeing that I had was exactly the same kind of seeing you have in the physical.  Nothing was different.  

Love,
Vicky

Thanks so much for sharing your experiences as fully as you have recently, Vicky.  I enjoy them very much and you describe them very clearly.  

I am lately second guessing myself a lot and wondering what "real proof" would mean to me personally and how I could ever feel that it was solid.  If I had your particular experience I would perhaps, at this stage of my thinking, wonder to myself if I had noticed the mouse earlier at some point and just didn't remember it.   Or I might wonder if it is some kind of "future" esp?  

I know that sounds vague, but I find myself a little confused about what the actual significance is, and this is not to diminish your experience in any way!  I just find myself questioning everything, which is, perhaps, part of the process.

I feel the need to hear all of your stories, so believe me, I'm listening.  I'm not playing doubting Thomas to your experience at all, just explaining that as time goes on I become more unsure what a "proof" as described in the different contexts that exist on this forum signifies.

I don't go OBE the way you and some others do, but this is all very interesting to me, so, again, thanks for the sharing that so many of you do here.

blink

And when I say signify, I mean in a large scope.  A universal scope.  I just don't want you to think I find it unimportant...I think it is very important.

I just can't get my mind around a specific afterlife scenario which would be the cause of all of these experiences, or if an afterlife is completely necessary to explain them.  Perhaps I need to listen more, or my reality is just shifting faster than I can understand it.

love, blink

Hi Blink,

Thanks for your compliments!  I do appreciate hearing that you like my stories and that I describe them very well.  Makes me feel good!

All I can say about proof is that I think it will mean something different to each individual.  I'm not trying to brag, but I actually do remember OBE's that I had as a child!  I grew up thinking everybody did this sort of thing.  So I never went looking for proof as it just never occurred to me that what I was experiecing wasn't true and wasn't normal.

I also think it is good to question everything.  I certainly don't believe everything I hear and read.  But when it comes to my own self and my own experiences, I know I can trust my conscious awareness.  

About ESP, that means extra-sensory perception, which means outside of the normal means of perception.  My experience indeed can be called an ESP experience, and the way I picked up the ESP info was through an OBE.  I would think there are many ways to pick up ESP information.  

For me personally, this experience helped me learn to pay attention more to the separation feeling and what I view when I'm "out there".  In time I'm sure I will learn not to do so much silly self talk during the experience and actually tell myself, "Cool!  I'm out, I can do some really neat exploring now!"

I appreciate what you say and I am not offended at all by it!   :)

I am happy to share these things, and if someone gets something from it and another doesn't, well that is not up to me to decide.  If everyone I have learned something from had never, ever shared their stories, then I would not be where I am today.  

Love, Vicky

Hi Vicky,
when I compare your perceptions during your OBE I think it's very similar to my mind-journeys, except:
--There is not the same vivid visual appearance as in body, that's why I call mine not OBE,
--Because I would like it more vivid I try to imagine myself to be more bodily and then usually the me-awareness-point is moving out of the (imaginated?) astral body so I always have this guy in front of me who is a sort of my body or puppet. So when I become sick of that and I want to feel free in my mind journeys I just be a point of awareness and like to "see" other beings I meet there as lightballs rather than persons. I found to communicate with beings in human shape can be so distracting of what they want to communicate.
Peace for you and your husband!
Bye, Spooky

Spooky you wrote:

when I compare your perceptions during your OBE I think it's very similar to my mind-journeys, except:
--There is not the same vivid visual appearance as in body, that's why I call mine not OBE,
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I have had OBE's where the visual perception was nothing as clear as the mouse OBE.  But I was still out of body and I knew that I was because I felt the separation.  Just because your visual perception is not as vivid as physical sight doesn't mean you are not out of body.  And having better vision doesn't make it more real.  It is just an enhancement of visual information.  I think the "knowing" kind of perception is an even stronger means of perception than vision.
What you call your "mind journeys", do you not consider these out of body experiences?  

I guess I am starting to realize that the term "out of body" really means enhacing your focus of awareness to a point away from your physical body.  Or rather, putting more of a focus of conscious awareness away from your body instead of having full focus of awareness on your body.

I think it is just termed "out of body" because sometimes it actually feels like you are coming out of your shell of a body.  

Sorry to seem so obssessed with this subject, I'm just facinated with comparing how others experience reality.

Hi Vicky,
seems I'm obsessed too with this. But, despite that it is just a detail, it is important I think.
 I remember on a previous post (think it was you) one remarks that we do phasing every day, like when we drive a car and thinking of something different so when the driver arrived, nearly no remembrance of the journey is available.
 I'm telling that because the old problem of "is it just imagination or real?" (not to speak about what imagination finally and truely is). If an OBE is very vivid the reality-or-not problem is diminished. They just say "It was real! No question!", while the not visual vivid experiences are more easily stated to be phantasy. The visual is just so dominant compared with "knowing".
 Bruce tells a lot of this problem in his books, and in his reports about participants there is ever again this: "What? That was it? I did it? No, that was just imagination." When we would come to the point, that more experiences formerly labeled as "imaginations" now labeled as "OBEs" then this is a shift in perception. Labels are just labels on the one hand, but on the other hand they sign the meaning people give to their experiences. There are many people who are frustrated in trying so hard to OBE and had no success (they think), but maybe only because it was not similar enough to the physical eyes perception.
 The thing with my journeys is I don't "feel" separated from my physical body, though I'm mentally elsewhere (not entirely, split awareness). So when I did this the first time on the Gateway Voyage, I thought, "Oh, what stories can you make up in such a short time." But when the debriefing was and I told it, more and more details came up and the trainers had to stop me because it was getting too long, and they just looked at each other grinning and one said: "I think you will remember this >story< well and you will never forget it." And I was sitting there and just thought "Well, really, where does this come from?"

Bye, Spooky

Hi Vicky,

I had one of those phasing/time/OBE/precognition experiences back in the 1990’s which I mentioned on the Re: Visit from a friend 5/7/05 & Re: How it feels to be in spirit form 7/10/05 so we probably talked about it then.  Anyhow, for me, it was a real thrill, though at that time, who could I tell about it except for my husband?  He listened patiently but was not as impressed as I was.  

I too was napping but then heard my husband come in with his usual, “Hi hon!” and I attempted to get up to greet him but I couldn’t move my body and recognized that I was still sleeping. Now that I think of it, must have happened many times before because I’m starting to recall the sleeping and not being able to move feeling and it’s very familiar.  At any rate, didn’t think much of it till he actually did come home a few minutes later and all sounds were a duplicate of what I had just experienced except now I was awake, could move my body, and excitedly went out to greet him with, “Wow :o ;D, I just had one of those weeyoo experiences”.   I recognized it because I had been doing a lot of reading on time, UJ, OBE’s, and precognition and had thought that maybe the combo of my readings, stress, and tiredness had prompted it. Boy, it sure did put a little chink in my beliefs.  Nothing beats actual experience and it sure can be fun.

I also got a kick out of you conclusions regarding your husband, “Then it also makes him mad that he can’t change me” and “He is a good person and I won’t ever try to change him” “But if he forced me to choose between my spiritual path and …”  Sorta’ reminds me of another relationship.  Like maybe the one between the true seekers on this board who share and kick “stuff” around and those like JD.  I guess that’s why, like you suggest, we have to believe in our own path and continue to venture forward into the sometimes unknown to make it a known, at least in our individual hearts.  Tain’t easy sometimes but boards like this helps.

Thanks to Bruce, Lynn, Kardac, etc. for providing a place where we can swap tales and discuss techniques.

Love to all, Jean :-*

For me its called an 'out of body' experience because one we are out of our body and two were use to having a body so we have one out there. Whenever i have explored I have always had a body, i have never been a point of conciousness yet. When I OBE i can feel my body, i know its there, my last OBE i walked and I felt the pavement on my feet, when i fly i feel the wind against my body, I have a body but only because I choose too.

I notice when I phased as well i have a body, but its different, i don't feel it, i climbed up onto the rood out of the water, i climbed up because i had a body, i grabbed hold of the woman in the water because i had a body, yet i don't feel in physically as i do here and have while OOBE, in the general term.

I have also looked at my hands once, lol, i need to do this more, once i saw myself laying on my bed, that was weird! But my last OBE i looked at my hands and they were so full of life, so much energy, the purest colour going, it was amazing.

I do think we have these bodies because this is what we are use to though, we can be points of conciousness as thats what we are really right? But its important to keep these bodies handy out there so we can do retrivals etc.

I have also had a few OBE's now, i have more feeling in them now, also better visual than before, some i have had no sight at all or very little, seeing is believeing to beginners, and especially me at the moment lol! I agree with what you said spooky but also agree with Vicky in the bigger picture in that visual is just one sense, we have many others as we all well know with are just as good as sight if not better, we just need to use these to our best abilities and trust them which is the hardest part.

But i agree when i was trying to OBE at first i got results, but i couldnt see as well as i do here! (It was dark lol so kind of one of the problems) and i knew these were OBE, ive never had a doubt about when I have gone out except for the first time, but many people expect to have the best vision ever otherwise it wasn't OBE, which is just wrong which I have relised now. Like Vicky said going OBE is just shifting your point of conciousness, how greatly you shift doesn't matter, what matters is you have if even slightly. Once we accept this I guess were open to more greater experiences.

Ryan