< > A statement:

It has been a long time since I gave it up that any other but me could show me the proof I needed that my mind can exist even after my body has died. (Out of body consciousness)

I must confess that despite I’m no longer in a proof pursuit I understand those who still look for it.

I know that only the proof we get through our own experiences can touch us deeply inside. And remain.

Despite that, I’d like to ask if anyone here has had an experience that I would say VERY simple but of great importance.

In my opinion a very simple way to convince my self that I went truly OBE (we are proof focused here) would be going Out Of Body and checking a physical place for a single detail like, for instance, a pair of shoes forgoten over my neighbor’s roof and once back to the wake state, simple went there and check it to see if the pair of shoes were really there. (no Spiritual question here, only a simple easy test)

< > A question:

Have anyone went through such simple experience?  :-/
I’d love to “hear” about it.

Thanks.

One time I astral projected and went to a house that was located in the middle of the block accross the street from a school. I drove to that location and the house looked very similar. My mind's eye saw it a little different than my physical eyes. When I saw it in the astral, the house has a particular shade of light green with a very noticable texture. I found it odd that a house was painted with this texture. When I visited the house physically, I found that the odd texture was due to the fact that the exact same shade of green could be found on the roof. Green tiles. The house had the same shape as the house I saw in the astral, and was located in the middle of the block.

Otherwise, despite experiences, I feel convinced about the afterlife, because all of the experiences I've had with my guidance. There is no way that my physical mind could come up with all of the things my guidance has come up with. My guidance must be from beyond this physical World.

hi there. yes I have many such simple experiences as well as the more earth shaking kind. but I see that simplicity is the best pathway to take when we try to share, so I appreciate this thread idea.

I move around a lot, fancied myself a world traveler once but so far have only made it to live in washington, colo. calif. and new mexico, but its a start.

when it's time for me to move on I get nervous where I'm going to live next so I go out of body, we can call it that for simplicity, but sometimes its like a simple dream undertaking.

so my exploration is to step out of time to see future residences. this most simple images within dream tells me how to recognize my next house by what I've seen maybe 6 months previous in dream or obe.

once I saw as in dream and sensation of flying up to observe a wall decorated with Southwestern pottery faces and I floated there admiring them, but wondered what it meant upon awakening. a sense of "when u see this wall, you will be home, was upon me.

then I moved in a house which had the same neighbors I had dreamed about also next to me and soon I started putting this pottery up on the wall in back..then I remembered I had seen this wall within dream about 6 months previously and it made me start thinking about what is time? and who am I who wanders through time?

much love to you all, alysia

Folks,

I have been trying to ask this question for the past couple of days : Do you get this "proof" intentionally or accidentally? I mean, are the voyages / travels actually planned? I know that it's good to have an agenda of things to do before you come out. But most of the stories I have read don't involve much intention, it seems more like something which you can't control as good as you'd like. As if a lot of the things happened "out of the blue." I might sound skeptic or what not... but I'm just curious.

Love,
Carlos.

hi Carlos, u don't seem skeptical to me :) not at all and a valid question. to answer your question I always nowdays have the intention..or set the intention to explore future residences..but at first my intentions masqueraded as mere curiosity and I did not know curiosity was like opening the door to the imagination, but it did. I just wondered if it were possible to see the future. I did not even know that when it started "happening" that I was seeing the future, not until I started to "live" these events within mundane reality, then some "AHA!" moments would be on my menu.

which as I said made me ask who am I, what is time?"

and those answers and questions is another story ;D

For me i don't need proof that I have gone OBE, i think you just know, theres nothing like it, if your out there conciously thinking your OBE!

I haven't had proof yet as like you were saying Kardec where i visit somewhere and see something, then go there physically and see it the same, for me I call this real time OBE's and I'm trying at the moment. IS there anything special you have to do to go real time rather than just astral in like a made up world?? I would love for proof though.

And Alysia you have given me a brilliant idea thank you! I'm going to go visit my cousins in New Zealand and see if i can see locale features, then when i get over there i can see if anything matches up. Plus it means i can actually "get over there" before i acually leave lol ;D!

Ryan

"My guidance must be from beyond this physical World."

It's not beyond anything but more within..

Ryan! I know you are so drawn to New Zealand so excellent idea to visit it first. be sure to remind yourself to remember what u are seeing, feeling, sensing. then you can write it down for later. I didn't know I could give you ideas! ha ha! good. i hope you will report back here if u have success, and I don't see why you wouldn't! love, alysia

Hi Kardec-
Most of us have had convincing OBEs, but it is often very difficult to describe them in a useful manner because English (and most other languages) are not well suited to handle metaphysical ideas.

I recall one day when LSD was legal (and I was still dumb) I was "investigating" what I could do, and abruptly found myself rolled up inside a window shade. I was there for quite a while, and thought that it was fascinating. The structure of the shade, that it was rolled up and thus had repetitive layers seemed to be important.

Another instance was a fine morning when I awakened in the mountains at Big Sur and as I began to take in the clear air I found myself looking down at me as I flew by above, and then a few moments later, I saw the hawk whose eyes I had been using.

My first OBE was when I was an unhappy cadet in a military school. To gain some options, I had become a bugler (which was OK when I cold remember what call was supposed to be sounded - and embarrassing when I couldn't). I was up at about 5 AM getting ready to wake the rest of the world when I lapsed into a momentary trance and discovered that I was in the corner of the room, looking down at my body sitting with my horn. I got so interested that I tried to see if I could watch myself doing something, but that snapped me back into the body.

As a student of your local religious practices, you might go to one of the senior members of a Candomble, Umbanda, Macumba etc group and ask to have the experience of being mounted by a spirit. If your heart is pure, it's safe, and would certainly be convincing - at least to you.

dave

Alysia,

Maybe our brains aren't as lonely as we tought! Oh and I'm still waiting for the story! :P


wrote on Oct 19^th, 2005 at 1:10pm:

which as I said made me ask who am I, what is time?" and those answers and questions is another story ;D

wrote on Oct 19^th, 2005 at 9:36pm:

As a student of your local religious practices, you might go to one of the senior members of a Candomble, Umbanda, Macumba etc group and ask to have the experience of being mounted by a spirit. If your heart is pure, it's safe, and would certainly be convincing - at least to you.

Dave,

My mother in law is a senior member of an Umbanda Group and my wife have already had a chance of being under such a trance.

Unfortunately as they take it really serious only the ones who “officially” take part of the group can join the happenings at the “Terreira” that is kind of a stage where the Mediums are “mounted by spirits”.

So I’m allowed only to watch the ritual but not to take part on it.

If you need any thing/information that I can get here to help you at yuor studies feel free to ask.

Take care.

(Vick's posted a very good example of a experince of Broader conscioussnes - "OBE Proof ")

Tayo:

In my case, it's definitely intentional. The intention comes from my spirit guidance, and perhaps some deals we made before I was born. I've had some life changing spiritual experiences, that couldn't of possibly had been the result of my ego mind.


wrote on Oct 19^th, 2005 at 12:41pm:

Folks, I have been trying to ask this question for the past couple of days : Do you get this "proof" intentionally or accidentally? I mean, are the voyages / travels actually planned? I know that it's good to have an agenda of things to do before you come out. But most of the stories I have read don't involve much intention, it seems more like something which you can't control as good as you'd like. As if a lot of the things happened "out of the blue." I might sound skeptic or what not... but I'm just curious. Love, Carlos.

Hey Recoverer, I like what you said.   :)

It is indeed a strong answer, Recoverer. I would love to be able to learn from your experiences somehow.

Put this way, some of the best experiences I've had, I've had without having any idea of how to initiate them. They were gifts that I'm very thankfull for.

As a result, I don't have any techniques to share.

My feeling is that everybody gets what they need.

Of course it does help to open yourself up to what's available.

One thing that helps is to not have preconceived ideas of what you're going to discover. If you insist on having preconceptions, it's hard for the guidance that is available to help you. It won't force itself on you.  


wrote on Oct 20^th, 2005 at 4:09pm:

It is indeed a strong answer, Recoverer. I would love to be able to learn from your experiences somehow.