When I was in high school, before I was ever on this website or thinking about the "realness" of this world, my Psychology asked us about dreams and how we know they're just dreams.  Next, he asked us if we ever wondered if we are dreaming right now and how we know.

I gave some reasons as best as I could like "facts about solidity and gravity" and the absence of thought causing unusual reactions (such as flight or teleportation for example.)  

However even the "Dream state can reproduce C1 effects and have me completely convinced that I am just awake as normal, therefore this world may be something that is difficult for me to describe, (in fact, what C1 IS defys any words I could think of because language is artifical and based on audio and sight which in my experience, can only define so much.)

However, if dreams can recreate this world (in my experience) seamlessly and have one convinced then what can we say about C1?

if dreams can recreate C1, then I'd say C1 can create dream worlds also.

I like what Einstien said..this coming from a scientist amazes me he said: imagination is more important than knowledge.

POW! hits me right in my pineal gland.....

I think therefore I am.  That is all we can say about reality (C1).  It is a shared universe, governed by common laws, such as gravity.  In it, we can not create everything with our narrow focus, like we can do in dreams.  

The conscious mind, wondering, living, loving, exploring is all that is real.  This plane of existence has certain "rules," or laws that enable it to function.  Those, we can explore with science and empirical data.  However, I believe that our awareness - our conscious state of being is the only nonreducible reality (some might say that love is the only nonreducible reality).

Matthew

wrote on Oct 14^th, 2005 at 5:09am:

It is a shared universe, governed by common laws, such as gravity.  In it, we can not create everything with our narrow focus, like we can do in dreams.

In my opinion the main difference between C1 and other areas where we can focus our consciousness on is that here we share a common reality, hence, we can’t change (we shouldn’t) it (physically) the way we would do in other conscious focus. We need common laws to make this thing work. So it could be the difference between the Physical experience and other levels of experience.

I accept everyone's viewpoint as being right while knowing what I've been taught by TMI is the nature of consciousness here is defined as limited by necessity. like Kardek says..this is our working model in C1.

in the meantime, I am in touch with my higher self, we can call unlimited self which is not separated from my C1 self, excepting that I may forget I am connected on occassion. in that way, to imagine my connections with unlimited self I am using the imagination which others will say is not real.
if the imagination is the egg and reality is the chicken, then you see my point that it is all "real", if I can accept my dreams are real, then they are.
by quoting a master logician I was hoping to impart that his right half of his brain was in alignment with his left half (Einstein) or he could never have made the statement "the imagination is more important than knowledge."  for u cannot separate the egg is not the chicken, they are one thing. http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/chick.gif

I believe that the the distinction between "physical matter" and "dream matter" that physical people make, is based on a distinction that "doesn't" exist.

It makes more sense that the physical World is an extension of the spirit World, rather than the other way around.

The physical World is made to seem rigid, because it wouldn't work as well as a place of learning and gaining experience, if it's inhabitants were able to see through its illusion easilly. Plus, how's it supposed to seem? Vaporous?

Going by the experiences and dreams I've had, the consciousness that creates experiences doesn't have limitations. It's very sophisticated. Therefore, it has the ability to create an imaginary World that seems real to its occupants. It can even work with thought-energy in a way, so that certain "supposed" physical laws need to be followed.

Even dreams are usually created so that they seem real. Otherwise they wouldn't serve their purpose as well.

"Mind over matter" makes more sense, than "matter creates mind."

Have you ever wondered: "What does 'physical' actually mean?"

Regarding gravity, I read that Isaac Newton, the man who first came up with the theory of gravity,  was a mystic. For whatever reason, the institution of science didn't want to empasize this. I also read that Isaac Newton considered the force behind gravity to be love. Or in otherwords, the natural tendency for consciousness to merge back with itself. Before I read that Isaac Newton felt this way, I had the same feeling. It reminds me of Bruce Moen's discovery that consciousness included the factor of PUL (pure unconditional love) in order to get its probes to come back to it.  

hmm. interesting. I never thought of gravity that way. I thought of PUL to be like glue...you know, bonding...that sort of thing, but now u got me going poetic....gravity pulls...PUL pulls....

Alan watts said an apple tree apples, the planet earth peoples... maybe gravity what keeps us from floating away...
oh oh too late..for me..I am really spacey..but I like it! love, alysia

great post btw.

I don't really have much to say that people haven't already but i do like this thread, it makes you think loads!

I did read somewhere that people can defy this physical laws set agaisnt us in this lifetime, it takes year of practise and conditioning. There was also a website i came across unintentionally which had a guide of how to become light enough to float in this world...down to breating etc...has anyone heard of this?...i would have to see before i believed it!

I wil try and find the site again but definatly interesting!

I also took psychology in sixth form..we covered dreams a little but nothing like i wanted to, even very briefly like a sentance was said about how people go out of body...i could have gone on for ages haha!

Ryan

I know Chipper, we are the pioneers of it...may take a while to get some new teachers...

Hmmm, it is too far fetched for me to believe that people can defy physical laws here in the physical.  

I know someone who said he and someone else actually saw someone flying between trees.  

I know I've experienced some weird stuff, but this is something I just can't accept.  Perhaps what they saw was something non-physical and it appeared as physical to them.  

theres a guy on cable TV name of Chris Angel who does levitations around a crowd of people in the street; he does many phenonmenon, and they show no strings or tricks...they also do some of his childhood scenes...he was born like this..defeats gravity and other feats..looks quite real, but then there have been people in India who can also levitate..so it's believable to me. Chris does not fly about physically..that would be stretching it! but he is able to hypnotize others to levitate them...

I think i would have to see to believe as well Vicky!

Have you ever heard of that thing as well where a person lays down and kinda meditates but six people using their finger can lift this person effortlessly, how the hell does all this work???!

Sounds like movie stuff all this physically world defying behaviour! Would love to see it though...but still set in my young old ways??? lol i have to see to believe haha!

RYan

they say seeing is believing, but the reverse is true also, you must believe to see..