I thought I would bring this topic to it's own space, from where it was brought up in another thread. It is such an interesting phenomena that is taking off in these times....and there is so much more that I want to learn about it. I first started reading about it on Lynn's forum and I don't think I have ever seen anything about it here. Yet these Indigo kids are playing such a huge role in what is to come for the spirituality of all mankind.
I think they deserve some recognition!!  ;D
After reading about it on Lynn's place, I was so excited because I felt that I finally had some answers to what my granddaughter MiKayla was really all about.
My daughter was clearly not ready to be a mom yet at the time MiKayla was conceived. She was still in school and she just didn't have any motherly instincts in her at all.
She didn't even like kids....didn't ever want any of her own.
She had no patience for people or any survival techniques in her to get thru this life. She was angry, bitter and hated eveything and all things. She even hated me. She was taking herself down a path of complete destruction at that time and there was nothing that anyone could have done to save her. She didn't even care to save herself.
One day she sprung it on me that it wasn't the flu she had...ok. Oh no. Yup, she is pregnant. I love kids, have dreamed of grandkids....but this thought nearly made me insane as I wasn't even in any state at the time to even emotionally help with a baby....nor financially...just OMG what are we going to do? Check this out, that religious Baptist sister or mine that I have mentioned here who has disowned me long since, kept encouraging me that she needed an abortion. That is absolute HORROR  to me. But she worked on me over and over, telling me that this unborn child ' WAS NOT OF GOD'.
Can you believe a Christian saying this?
I did the unspeakable and coaxed my daughter into doing this.
This is the most awful thing that I have ever done in my life and I will always be hugely disgusted in myself over this forever.
Done. It was done. omg.
One month later, she is pregnant again. WHY?? I ask her??? Why???
I left my sister out of it this time and just spent days and days thinking of this and coming to the conclusion that there is a reason for this....there is a real reason, purpose here for this baby to come into my daughters life and all of  ours and I had better realize this now.. and stop trying to stop it.
And so, little MiKayla was born.
Everything in this life was against my daughter...and the future looked so unknown and bleak for the baby. She would be bi-racial which meant she would face the ugliness of a racist society.
When she was born, she didn't breath and her apgar tests were very poor. They were about to declare her stillborn when she began to show some signs of hope and then was placed in icu for 24 hours. In that time her heart rate was up over 200, which appearently is too high for a newborn only hours old. We didn't know if she would make it.
But she did..... ;D....and from that moment on, she advanced in her physical and cognitive development faster than you could blink an eye. She was doing things at one month that a six month old isn't even doing yet. The most striking thing about her was her eyes. I was the first person to hold her after she came out of the infant icu...and her eyes looked straight into and searched my soul...from that moment, I knew there was something special about her...just didn't know what.
Now she is 4 years old. She is smarter than smart...it's so weird. Her level of intelligence is that of a college student...she knows things about science related stuff that I have never heard of. When you ask her how she knows this (Because she is bang on in her knowledge) she just says: I just know!
The most striking thing about her tho is that she has this insight to life and all the aches and pains of the world. She speaks about issues with knowledge, sympathy, integrity and forgiveness. She has this way of understanding life's complexities and mistakes that blows me away.
Where does she get this stuff from?? Now I know.
She knows 'you' before you even can say a word to her...she does it with her eyes. She searches you out inside and out.
She is smart, incredibly smart...but that is not what the most striking thing about her is....it is like she is a wise old soul who is so far advanced in areas like empathy, sympathy, love, kindness....and this ongoing willingness and desire to help others. Lately she has been talking about making 'change'....caring for the environment...huh?? She is 4 years old and she is wanting to do what?? She is telling me what is going to happen if people keep making a mess of things out there!
Since she was a tiny baby, we saw her interacting with something we couldn't see....and as she got older, she started talking about this person that talks to her all the time....tells her what is a good thing to do, not a good thing to do....general life chit chat and helps her to understand better some of the challenges she faces at the time.
You know....she has been for months now, talking about how she wants me to take her to the university up here..because she wants to take a look around....I ask her why?? She says that she has important things to do there...she wants to talk to people and show them 'things'. I ask her when she wants to talk to people there and she says: not for a long time yet....they have lots to learn for themselves still.
Well....where does this come from??? It sure isn't from me talking....little ears are always guarded around me......and certainly not from my daughter...she is so far away from ever believing that there is even a God out there, so it isn't coming from the home. Keep in mind, this little girl is only 4 years old!
I guess I have babbled enough. I just wanted to share this and see if there are others out there who might be seeing the same thing happening around them...... ;D

Mystic this is so amazing and even for me i was captivated from your story, i didn't relise i was reading it it just flowed and is amazing, a 4 year old saying all that!? She is here for a reason and wow is all i can say!

Just wondering though does she only speak to you of this about being here for change and for a reason? Or does she say it to everyone? Just wondering maybe shes so open with you because she knows you will understand and where you soul is at?

Such an amazing story, it is finally happening! :D

Ryan

Wow...

Indigo Kids. Star Kids...

The future masters and influencial leaders of our society in this time.. maybe? do you think?

Gee, I took too long getting my response to Ryan's ? about Indigo's in the other thread, and now here's a thread of it's own on the subject.  Thank you so much Mystic_Dreamer for sharing your beautiful grandchild with us!  I'm guessing that this child is not Indigo, but Crystal (and I really don't like these labels, but hey, they fit)!

I'll just copy and paste here what I wrote to Ryan in the other thread:

Hi Ryan,

Indigo, Crystal Children ... these are labels, because let's face it, we need WORDS to communicate with in our lives here on Mother Earth.  In my opinion, they started coming in nearly 30 years ago, not 20 ... because the births of my 6 children span nearly 20 years, and the ones who are presently 29 and 24 are ... Indigo.  My 20 year old Grandson is also.  

Now don't misunderstand me, please.  We are ALL special!  Big time!  What strikes me about the "Indigos" in my life is the KNOWING that they seemed to be born with!  

Ryan, you've reminded me once again that "one must never assume ..."!  Because I am guilty of "assuming" that you KNEW that you are Indigo!  Trust me on this one!  LOL!  You are!

Then comes the Crystals.  Keep in mind, these are simply labels for HUMAN BEINGS ... that help to explain certain attributes they possess.  This began, according to my sources when Neptune and Uranus were conjunt, between 10-12 years ago.  This conjuntion occurs about every 172 years, and lasts awhile due to the slow movement.  Supposedly these children had former lifetimes on Mu (Lemuria) and/or Atlantis, and bring much long lost knowledge to us.  

Anyone notice the amazing increase of autistic children in the past 10-12 years?  These children bring us the opportunity to expand in love and compassion in a huge way.  They compell us toward putting our kind-sounding platitudes into real action.  

And of course those who are not autistic do this as well ... one of my grand daughters was born when Neptune and Uranus were only 1 degree apart.  She spoke early, and articulately.  At age 2 we had a day together, and as we're riding in my car she said "Grammie"?   I said "What Dear?"  She said "When you were a baby, I was your Mommie, and I held you in my arms like this ..."  at which point she cradled her arms in a rocking motion.  

Yeah, well, okay, I admit ... I nearly drove the car into the ditch!

My Mother of this lifetime had passed on a few years before, but this is not the Mother of which she spoke, and somehow I knew that.  Somewhere in the dance of eternity that we're all engaged in, this precious soul and I were united here, in a different scenario.  

These are the souls who amaze me with their gifts.  Those with asperger's or autism, amaze me with their sacrifice.  Truly, it is a great one that they offer.  

So!  Here I am way off the subject of the thread (again).  In relation to seeing spirits, yes.  I have.
 

Who is the first person to come up with the idea/term indigo kids? How did they find out about them?

My feeling is that mature souls have come into this World throughout the years. Could there be a sudden increase? Sure. But I'm wary about about anything that suggests differences between people.

"I AM AN INDIGO CHILD
By Rachael

    I am an indigo child. I never fit in in school, in society, in cliques or groups. I never had a label to call my own. I was a square peg, and they shoved me into a round hole. I had no choice.

    I cannot blame them. They wanted the best for me. I cannot say that for all of them, but most of them wanted the best for me. They wanted me to go to school and have a good education. They wanted me to be mature and grow. But if you shove a square peg to much, it eventually breaks and tries to fit the mold like everything else.

    I was diagnosed with ADD. I wanted to be. Everyone else would turn their work in school and I was the different one, so I wanted to be like them: can you blame me? As a child when everyone else is on the same page you wonder what the hell is wrong with you. If it was ADD then why not take the pill if they can make you better.

    I was always bored. I still am bored. So horribly with school, that I considered flunking out. I passed the IQ test. I passed the Mensa test and here I am considering flunking out of high school. I can jump through all their little hoops. I can do all of their little tests, but perhaps I see no real value in it. It makes the soul weary, my friend. And I wonder why I ever bothered at all.

    Sometimes I wonder if it is too late for me. I am 18 years old. What is it that I can change now, I ask. I cannot go to Harvard - the smart people's school - when I have nearly flunked out of high school. How can a D-grade student study with college professors without being laughed at? If you could only see through these eyes you would know that each and every day it makes me tired, friend... and I don't know whether I should have just given in and conformed, or if it is still too late to be me.

Much love,
Rachael

Rachael lives in Everett, Washington and can be reached at"

mystic_dreamer: I thank you so very much for bringing the term "Indigo Child" into my vocabulary.  

The above highlighted post was from a website where Indigo children speak out, I am just posting this because I now know I am an indigo child. I connect so well to this message Rachael wrote that I had to post it here so you could get a better understanding of myself, Rachael couldn't of put that in better words, how Rachael felt\feels is how I felt. This is probably all pretty irrelevant to th
is topic but I just had to share..that toady.. I found out I am an Indigo Kid :) (or more so adult :P)


Edited - Note: Although, I have never tried to commit suicide, nor would I -- thought I should at that in there :P

Much Love and Good Energy to all here and beyond, Joshua.

Hey guys..Jacup, yes! You should go on the web sites and read some of the stuff on these kids!!
And you know what Ryan?? For one thing, my daughter thinks I have lost my mind with this and just laughs it off. And my granddaughter does not talk to anyone like this but to me. Yes, she does like to show off her smarts...she is quite proud of herself for being able to read and write and how she can count as high as anyone else here... :o......but she only talks to me about 'world issues'.....for god sakes, environmental damage and changes...
She has on occassion talked about some of her issues while her mom has been present..her mom starts to laugh..... >:(     and MiKayla gets highly offended by this. She looks at her mom and quite frankly says, It's not funny mom! You don't know what you are talking about!
She does talk to her mom more about the 'person' that she talks to, the one that only she can see. And MiKayla refers to her as her gramma.
MiKayla and I have a very much different kind of bond than that she has with her mom. It is more of a spiritual kind of bond. She openly talks to me about all things. She has more wisdom than I do  :P
She is a deep thinker. She tells me all about the extinction of the dinosaurs (and she uses those big words like extinction.....I almost fell over when I heard her say that one)....she tells me that she is very sad over their demise...!!..but they still live on in reptiles we have today....!!
She gets REALLY angry when she sees someone littering...smokey vehicles on the roads.
She talks about God and says that he is 'all and everything' and that God lives in everything. (she has never been to Church)
She talks about angels and says that they are around us to help us when we need help.
But no, she doesn't talk to anyone other than to me about what she has going on in her head.

I hate to be a bummer here, but labels kind of bug me. Part of the problem is that people try to fit into them, even if they don't. There are better ways of finding self validation.

I wonder if people in the spirit World are talking about Indigo kids. I wonder why Monroe, Moen, Mcknight and other noticable sources haven't mentioned anything about them.

I'm not saying that there isn't a such thing as a mature soul, but dogmatizing things can sometimes have a negative effect.

Can't a person figure out that they're a mature soul without coming up with a label?

Are there key proponents of this concept that are making money off of it?

Wow!! Jacup!! Discovery for you! This is awesome!! MiKayla is also very bored and needs constant challenge...the need for challenge seems to increase almost daily. She has just entered kindergarten this year and it is just not even close to keeping her attention. She does arithmetic...her classmates are just learning how to recognize the letters of the alphabet as well as recognizing what their name looks like.
Willowheart, you put it all very well. Awesome. I was thinking the same thing about Ryan..being Indigo.....is there a difference between crystal and indigo? I can't remember now...
From everything that I have read about these kids is that when they discover what they are here for, there will be a great change or shift that will happen around the world that will mark something incredible.

Jacup:

Certainly you can find self validation without a label, or something which suggests differences.

I haven't studied up on Indigo kids yet, but heard of the term last year.  The only web site I know of that mentions it is on Metagifted.com.  

I'm sure there are lots of sites, and this one will lead you to others.  

Now that you have me intrigued, I will definitely go check it out and see what I can find!

Wonderful story about your granddaughter, Mystic.  I would love to hear more details about your conversations with her, or examples of things she has said.

As a mom, I always keep track of the neat things my kids have said.  My daughter is the hilarious one because you'd think she was from another planet!  She doesn't say things right, uses the wrong words all the time, and we just always get a laugh from her.  Only about a year ago she found out that dogs can't read!!  OMG, that was so hilarious!  She is 8.

My son is very smart, not high IQ smart.  It's not like he excells in school, but I mean that he understand deep concepts and he has such empathy and has so many feelings.  He is extremely expressive and caring.  And definitely showing signs of being psychic, which I love.  We have so much fun with that.

But anyway, I'm getting way off topic here.  No matter who our kids are, we love them dearly just for who they are right?  

Your little Mikala definitely is special.  Make sure you always have a bond with her and always listen to her.  Kids like that need someone who understands them!

Well, I will go read up on Indigo kids now.  (Someone told me last year that they were some other kind of race, like alien life form infiltrating our planet!  Eek--that sounds like a good Sci Fi movie.)  I thought the idea was so silly that I never read up on the topic.  I'd like just the facts please--

  :)

 Hi Mystic Dreamer,

 I loved reading your post!  It is very, very heartening to hear that there really are such mature souls coming in more and more...

 I'm not a big fan of the term "Indigo", and i think much of it is over-generalized, exaggerated, or overly idealized.  Then there are the theories.."oh, Indigos have only really been coming in since 1990, or some such year..."

I've had people call me an "indigo" because i'm 25, fairly mature, aware, energy sensitive, compassionate--but i don't consider myself an "indigo" as such..

I'm just a Soul on the path to Home.  One funny thing i've noticed is that people are quick to call ADHD kids--Indigo, when really it is their diet which needs to be totally overhauled and balanced.  Course some of these kids really are hyper sensitive to energy...but then again, psychicness doesn't always neatly correspond to Soul evolvement.

Having the rudiments of aura sensitivity, i've seen or sensed little predominant actual Indigo energy within some people who think of themselves as Indigos--i'm not saying it isn't a potential within them, but its still a relatively rare predominant color within the mental layer of the aura, which corresponds to deep character traits, belief systems, and ingrained habits....

I do have a fair amount of colbalt blue, nearing Indigo shades in my mental aura/body (along with much purple) but i still don't like being labeled an Indigo.

Anyways, enough rambling/sermonizing.. Thanks a bunch for such a heartening account :)  There is hope for us yet, if these mature souls can start to take the reigns....

Might not these kids be the same as what used to be called prodigies?  As well, i think there is more understanding on the part of the parents, teachers, and there is more freedom and opportunity today for kids w special abilities to learn to develop them and use them.

MS

Jacup:

Certainly you can find self validation without a label, or something which suggests differences.

Indeed I can and indeed I have..

Can't a person figure out that they're a mature soul without coming up with a label?

Labels are created with the intentions of which the author of the label intended.. misconception can sometimes be a burden..

I wonder if people in the spirit World are talking about Indigo kids.

I wouldn't doubt it :)

Are there key proponents of this concept that are making money off of it?

I hope not, information and knowledge should be free regardless of what it might contain inside, its what you do with that information that matters, if someones making money off of indigo kids, that would greatly disappoint me..

Anyways, mystic_dreamer your posts today about your granddaughter has made my day, seriously, its great to hear these things.

Much Love & Good Energry to all and beyond.

I do not wish to flatter or mislead, which I am quite capable of... ;) however, it just occurred to me how mature Jacup's post was.....as a matter of fact I have been sitting here with my mouth open all day reading many posts...I note a different level of people in general coming into this forum and now I will shut up and let them have their say!
http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/goodvibes.gif

Much Love and ^ Good Energy to you laffingrain, and all and beyond... I really enjoy these boards.

Just wanted to thank all of you for such nice replies, comments.....you guys are awesome, ya know???  ;D
It makes me feel good to know that you have all enjoyed reading what I wrote...but most importantly, I am even happier over bringing such an important topic up that has raised awareness and self discovery in those of you this has happened with. This is GREAT!!!!
Now you are about to embark on a pathway that will take you even higher yet into your spiritual growth and take you further to places that you never imagined!! How cool is this?!!!!!   ;D
I've never met you all...but I sure love ya all!
;D

There is a website that deals with Indigos quite a bit and one book written on it by James Twyman, there is a link I think here on this website to his site, its the Emissonary of light.com I think. I read his book, it was awsome as some gov'ts seek to exploit these kids and use them for spies, etc. They all communicate by thought world wide. His book was not fiction but fact.
Just checked links, no longer here.

Love, Ricardo :)

Heres the link:

http://www.emissaryoflight.com/_.aspx?t_t=5

Just copy and paste.

Love, Ricardo

I posted this in another thread and decided to also post it here:

Indigo children

Here in Melbourne, Australia, Scott Alexander King is what is called an animal dreamer.  He does readings and "sees" animals with people and is able to tell you why the animal is with you and all the issues you have to resolve.  He is an indigo child and works with indigo children.  He is able to identify indigo children by the capuchin monkey that always sits on their shoulders.  

This is his website:

http://www.animaldreaming.com/

Irene

Jacup:

How come you don't doubt the below?  I'm not saying that it isn't possible. I really don't know. But until a really deep intuition or my guidance tells me differently, I'm not going to conclude that the indigo child thing is true.

If such beings did come into this World, my guess is that they would do so humbly and quietly. They wouldn't feel the need to institutionalize the fact of their existence. Plus, they probably wouldn't come to know about it by reading about it in a book or the internet. A point would come in their lives where they would find out about it inwardly.

I might be wrong about this later point. For example, I first found out about the I-there/higher self/disc/oversoul viewpoint, from Robert Monroe's book Far Journeys.

I apologize if I'm telling you something you don't need to hear. To tell you the truth, I'm just not clear about this whole thing. It's just that I'm getting this gut feeling that it isn't right to put the possibility of advanced beings coming into this World, into such a fixed form.

I'm also concerned that some people will label themselves as Indigo children when they aren't. Also, some parents will put such labels on their children in order to make it seem as if they are special, as opposed to loving them just for who they are. Pure unconditional love doesn't need labels. It would be like trying to adorn a beautifull flower with an unnecessary decoration.  

[quote author=jacup link=board=afterlife_knowledge;num=1128362114;start=0#13 date=10/03/05 at 17:11:22]Jacup:

[b]I wonder if people in the spirit World are talking about Indigo kids.

I wouldn't doubt it :)

 There is another thing to consider when dealing with a very young body....  Many children under the age of 8 or so, are still very energy aware, and some are in more or less in constant communion with other selves, guides, angels etc.  After that, most kids Pineal glands start to atrophy, and then the Thymus gland starts to atrophy...

 Sometimes they talk about it, and sometimes not..most families or conditions are not conductive to them talking about and kids do often sense that...

Now, if they can bring this awareness, maturity, energy sensitivity etc. into their teens and 20's, then you can safely bet that this child came in from some pretty fast vibrating spiritual dimensions... but as most here probably already know and/or believe they should not be put on a pedestal, as someone already mentioned...they need a "normal", well rounded and balanced life if their full abilities and gifts are to be matured..

 There is a very sad story connected to Edgar Cayce...  A woman who was part of the A.R.E. found out about this little girl who supposedly manifested amazing psychic abilities, was very aware, mature, and just soo sweet and lovable...

People started to call this girl the Little Prophetess, and she wrote out dissertions that were almost similar to Cayce's Readings with its biblical language, and the Being which spoke to her was called just "The Enity"..

She the mother though, kind of paraded her kid around and kept papers that talked about her daughter on her person...  The father really resented this.  The mother drove her around in a car which had a The Little Prophetesses Logo on it, and later she set up a Greek like Temple devoted to her.

 The woman from the A.R.E. convinced the mother to get a reading, and she convinced Edgar to come down to visit the little girl named Faith.   Edgar did visit, and was quoted as saying she was "a darling little girl."

A Life Reading was taken and the Readings spoke quite highly about this little girl, saying that it was possible for her to manifest the Christ Consciousness in that life.  She had been Elizabeth, John the Baptist's Mother of the Bible, and had been Saint Cecilia (or Catherine?) who had helped and ministered to many...  

But the parents were strongly warned to keep her life as normal, and as balanced as possible, not too idolize the body, and not to let anger become part of the situation..

Well the parents didn't heed the advice, the mom kept parading and promoting her around, and the father became increasingly resentful...  He brought the mom to court, and won custody of Faith..

They moved out, but lived right next door and the father tried to "help" his daughter to forget about it all...and didn't want her to have anything to do with psychic abilities or what not.

 The little girl ended up resenting her mom, and never spoke to her after, and she lost all of her abilities except for a couple of prophetic dreams which came exactly true (about her getting married..).

Its a sad story, and now we have one less person in the Earth manifesting a full Christ Consciousness...but it is a good lesson for any parents who dwell too much on their kids specialness and who just don't love them for who they are, not what they can do etc.

Thank you for sharing Justin 2710.

 Hi Recover,

You're somewhat off, there are some connected to TMI who have talked a bit about this.

Rosalind A. Mcknight who was close to Monroe and one of the early explorers, mentions in her book Cosmic Journeys some stuff about this trend...

 Her guides talk about how spiritually advanced Souls would be coming in more and more from other systems with no previously direct Earth experience, and that this started in the 50's or so, and would happen more and more.  Her guides said many will notice the high energy levels of some of these kids...

 Course not all "Indigos" are all from other systems.  Many are very "old Earth" Souls.

As we move more and more into Aquarius, and become closer to the alignment with the Galactic Center, then more and more will our system and the neighboorhood of the side of the Galaxy increase in its overall rate of vibration...

 And when this happens more and more, more and more will very spiritually advanced Consciousnesses come into the Earth to help faciliate this Second Coming of the Christ...and as they who are His pave the Way for Him, who is the Teacher of all Men and Angels (E.T.s) alike (on the inner levels) will be able come out into the open and once again demonstrate the highest Potential of every Earth Soul.  The time is not yet ripe, and much selfishness and sepratism must first be cleansed..

Its a Like attracts Like Reality in all dimensions and Consciousness.  Hence why more and more advanced souls are coming into a increasingly faster vibrating Earth---you could say they Co-resonate.....

Justing 2710:

I read Cosmic Journeys recently (I loved it), and remember the part you spoke of below. And I pretty much believed it, without really knowing. I guess this tells you what I think about the rest of the book. I don't know if the indigo kids is the same thing.

Whatever the case, it does concern me that some people will start to believe that they are indigo kids, when they aren't. As opposed to asserting it, they should find out. And in order to find out if it's true, they don't have to focus on the idea, but rather should discover what manifests from within.

This is probably obvious, but I like what your first post says about treating a child who might be an Indigo child.




wrote on Oct 4^th, 2005 at 12:18pm:

Hi Recover, You're somewhat off, there are some connected to TMI who have talked a bit about this. Rosalind A. Mcknight who was close to Monroe and one of the early explorers, mentions in her book Cosmic Journeys some stuff about this trend...  Her guides talk about how spiritually advanced Souls would be coming in more and more from other systems with no previously direct Earth experience, and that this started in the 50's or so, and would happen more and more.  Her guides said many will notice the high energy levels of some of these kids...  Course not all "Indigos" are all from other systems.  Many are very "old Earth" Souls. As we move more and more into Aquarius, and become closer to the alignment with the Galactic Center, then more and more will our system and the neighboorhood of the side of the Galaxy increase in its overall rate of vibration...  And when this happens more and more, more and more will very spiritually advanced Consciousnesses come into the Earth to help faciliate this Second Coming of the Christ...and as they who are His pave the Way for Him, who is the Teacher of all Men and Angels (E.T.s) alike (on the inner levels) will be able come out into the open and once again demonstrate the highest Potential of every Earth Soul.  The time is not yet ripe, and much selfishness and sepratism must first be cleansed.. Its a Like attracts Like Reality in all dimensions and Consciousness.  Hence why more and more advanced souls are coming into a increasingly faster vibrating Earth---you could say they Co-resonate.....

Hey,

I'm not really up on this subject but just wanted to post a few of my thoughts on this subject.

Giving a term such as "Indigo Kids" to these special children is not such a bad thing. I don't think they should named this though in a different light, but in this time and space we need a name to express what we are talking about. However along with using a term to refer to this new kind alot more people can get dragged in, not by choice and sometimes by choice, whether this is by parents or others labelling or by people themselves expressing wishful thinking or being caught up.

Don't get me wrong this isn't all bad and can only promote a change, a shift in conciousness which is what is happening all around us now but we need to be careful so one, theses kids do lead a balanced life and aren't put in the starlight but are nutured to develope their new skills over here and make a positive difference and two, so they don't feel different, they are here to learn as much as we all are, not to be idolized and stopping what they are really here for.

How do they know, well i guess from anyway possible to bring up that awareness, some know already as we can tell from the wonderful stories from Mystic Dreamer, which is amazing :)! But then again we need to be careful we aren't all labelling ourselves as Indigo Kids. I was intrigued and went onto a web site to read more...below was a "test" to tell if you were an Indigo Kid, now most of the questions i answered suggested i was but I don't feel I am. One of the questions which made me laugh was that You can watch TV, listen to music, do you homework yet still manage to remove one of your headphone ears and talk on the phone! Now with our society consistly growing and expanding and children growing this is just normal advancment, and even though different from the past, cultures are constantly changing yet suddenly they are Indigo Kids!

I'm not sure if my last point came across, i hope it did for i answered yes but laughed because this is what is happening anyway, it is part of the change but doesn't mean we should all go round thinking were Indigo Kids and suddenly have a purpose of a special kind. But then again saying this we are all special and we are all here for a purpose, its just Indigo is such a vague term if you really think about it.

Ryan

I am fascinated by mystic_dreamer's description of her grandchild and finding myself in agreement with revoverer's skepticism about labeling anyone "indigo child".

The Indigo Child thing has been around for several years and I have heard people wax a little too poetic with it. I think some were tieing it into the idea that there had been a change in the DNA, no physical evidence of which has been presented. There is no way to prove or disprove the claims around "indigo child."

I agree that soem of these kids are probably just hyper. I think I liked it better when I was a kid and kids were allowed to be hyper a little more, rather than just drugged. It is more boys that are affected by that, but as much as I hate to admit it! I think that boys on the average tend to need large muscle activity more than girls, though there arre exceptions. What we expect/tolerate from kids has changed alot.

What is most important is that Mystic Dreamer's granddaughter is exceptional and that she has someone who believes (in) her.

I do think children are open to something when they are young. I don't know how much it can be maintained.

Are there more gifted children in the world now? Who knows? What is more in the world now is communication...I think this is the Age of Communication....we share so much more info...like right here. But I think there have always been Rachaels. (and if she is so smart, then why didn't she know she needed to play the game and study in order to go to Harvard...and then once she got theere, would she be happy? The ones who study without  deep questioning are like drones, and I hear there arre many at places like Harvard or MIT).

Yes there arre some real exceptions...have you ever read about Gauss? (he died in 1855) Mozart was also a prodigy. Were they indigoes? If you want to read about more recent prodigies, read some of Ex-Prodigy by Norbert Weiner. He mentions William James Sidas in his book, too.  course, Gauss and Weiner were exceptional children who went on to be highly intelligent adults. That doesn't always happen. Ability to process large amounts of info at an early age does not mean genius exists. Besides after you read some of this stuff, you really won't want to stress the kids out with labels.

I haven't kept up with what Joseph Chilton Pearce is writing now. I think he bought land from Monroe. Anyway, Pearce is highly interested in (alternative) education and his ideas are worth investigating.

When I was about 5, I recall a particular day when I sat playing Scrabble with myself and thinking. And I thought that there was something in particular that adults did not understand. And I had something particular in mind. And I promised myself that I would never forget it. And I remember keeping that promise at least until I was 8 or so; I could recall the specific thing. But in time I broke my promise to myself.  wish I could remember...like, did I remember Heaven back then? But something changed...maybe when I die, I will know what it was. I bet many of us have stories like that. And when my son was about 8, he told me that he knew the secret of life. Why was he thinking of that? but he was. When I asked what it was, he genuinely could not verbalize what he felt. But he believed in himself, he trusted his feelings.

Chilipepperflea:

I agree with a lot of what you wrote.

I'd like to add that if a person has a special purpose in life, they'll find out about it without taking a test. I believe that we all have a special purpose. It's just that we shine at different times. Thankfully the dividing line, time, isn't real.

I agree with you also, It just seems to be chucked about alot. This test at the bottom i will try find the link, its so easy going in a sense that it makes out anyone is, and why i do think we are all special, yes there are some who stand out, but they are meant to in their way, not by ours.

Ryan

P.M.H. Atwater has written books on Indigos, Crystals and now what she called The New Children.

http://www.cinemind.com/atwater/

Love, Mairlyn ;-)

Recoverer, I would agree with what you say here regarding labels as not one of us is more special or less special than another.  Each of us is unique within our own individual path of discovery and healing.

Love, Kathy :-)

Hi Mystic Dreamer,
thank you very much for telling us about your granddaughter!

For now, I just call her highly intelligent or prodigy child. I just want to tell you about the vicious circle which could take place when those kids go to school (or even kindergarten!). Sometimes it happens that highly intelligent children become loosers in school. How does this happen? In the first time they say what they have to say only to hear from the teacher "Yes, fine, we'll come to it later" or sth similar. Those children will feel that their input is not appropriate and welcomed. The questions teachers ask are so simple for them that they would feel embarassed to answer them. They get bored with it. So some will just become absent in school and do their own thing (including play the clown etc.) so it will lead to bad marks, and this could be like a confirmation that their presence is not wanted. So the final danger would be they get disintegrated not only in school but also in society in general. So, a special school for high intelligents is not only for school success, but firstly for their own personal growing and welfare.
I don't care for diploma or career, but for people to be happy, and to experience you can share and develop your gifts with society is an important thing for being happy. So, if you could have a look what's going on in kindergarten or school in this regard I talked about above, that would be fine.

I wish you three good and miraculous times together,
bye, Spooky

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I just want to tell you about the vicious circle which could take place when those kids go to school (or even kindergarten!). Sometimes it happens that highly intelligent children become loosers in school. How does this happen? In the first time they say what they have to say only to hear from the teacher "Yes, fine, we'll come to it later" or sth similar. Those children will feel that their input is not appropriate and welcomed. The questions teachers ask are so simple for them that they would feel embarassed to answer them. They get bored with it. So some will just become absent in school and do their own thing (including play the clown etc.) so it will lead to bad marks, and this could be like a confirmation that their presence is not wanted. So the final danger would be they get disintegrated not only in school but also in society in general. So, a special school for high intelligents is not only for school success, but firstly for their own personal growing and welfare.

 You betcha!  I don't know about other children's experience, but what you described above fit my childhood pretty darn well.

 First problem started because i had fairly bad hearing throughout most of my childhood--due to constant earaches and really bad ear absesses (1 of the most painful things i've experienced next to being scalded and kicked in the nads!).

 And somehow, i would always get managed to be put in the back of class--dunno, maybe cause my last name starts with a "W"..     So, half the time i couldn't hear what was going on, and felt too embarrassed to ask regulary--i was an extremely self-conscious from a very young age....

 They wanted to keep me back in 1st grade, but my Mom said no way, and why don't you start putting him in the front of the class.  

 So, they started doing this, and then i excelled (i also had surgery for ear tubes later on)--it was so easy for me, i almost had a photographic memory then, a sharpness of mind, and a depth of thought that few kids had... I was also extremely lonely, shy, and isolated.  During early grades, during class down time, i would just sit in the corner by myself drawing (i was a very good artist from a young age).  This whole isolation and shy thing was compounded by my family moving alot and some major family problems..

 I did so well up through till 6th grade, that one of my elementary schools, thought it would be best for me to go into an advanced school...   Around this time--10-11yrs of age or so, i was having extreme "emotional" and coping problems...  My mom thought there might be something wrong with me...sooo she had me extensively tested.  They told my mom that i was brilliant, and borderline genius.

 I moved yet again when starting 6th grade, and that combined with the twinges of puberty, and sheer boredom in school, i failed misaberly...mostly cause i was so depressed so much of the time, that i just didn't give a rat's arse.  And, around age 13, i became aware of the Earth Changes, and a few years later learned some of the stuff that might happen--so i said to myself--"if this crappy stupid greedy, selfish white man dominated civilizaton is going to collaspe anyways, whats the point of going to college etc.."

 I rarely ever mention any of this stuff (especially the borderline genius thing), because 1, what does it really matter, and 2 nobody really cares anyways.

I share it for any young people reading this, and who are depressed and discouraged...  You're definitely not alone, and 1 strong word of advice...  Look into dietary, holistic health changes and some form of light but consistent exercise.  This helped me tremendously to overcome my depression--that and a huge attitude change with a concentrated and conscious spiritual approach to life--with the ideal of Impersonal Love at its core.

 Also helps to use some aids in the beginning, just to help balance, clear, and strengthen your energies... Wear a stone in which you are really attracted too, or if you know your predominant mental aura color--go with that color of stone--it almost always work because of sympathetic vibration.

 

Hi Justin. I guess I never told u this but I was secretely glad and excited the first time u began posting on this forum! now that you've shared your story I read between the lines where you have come from and how u got here I see the dream interaction was correct where I saw you; we had conversation, but I was sensing this spirits background...which was not found in the surface conversation we had..not knowing then anything about your childhood. and I am interested! there are people who care...it's more like your tag says it all and touched me. your background  I sensed, had been risen above, the dream suggested you had mastered something intense and now u wanted to share your gifts and your spirit was benevolent beyond compare. I am of course wrapped still in my own world and marveling at these dreams I have which reveal all I need to know for the moment.
it takes courage to tell our stories..I've watched myself gathering courage through the years, knowing that I wanted to work in the field of communication rather than any other field, or perhaps writing is included in "the Arts." don't know for sure. but I sense a new courage in you too! I for one, enjoy reading you also and somehow you have always been in the right place at the right time and will continue to be so. my opinion. now, reading you, I see I greatly underestimated what that dream told me! I must make a notation in my dream log that I have this tendency to see a partial picture within subconscious areas, then physical reality manifestation supplies another piece of the picture which makes the completed picture a sort of mind blower! this only convinces me of the simultaneous connection of events in time, and reveals  linear time dreaming to be the forerunner of physical manifestation events. thus, time alludes to an event which is already set up to happen. my, what a strong illusion is linear time!  we made this up, omgod, I am cracking up with laughter! nobody will believe me...only a few..oh well, it must be said anyway.

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Hey Spooky....what you have said about how these kids respond in school and flunking out is so true and I have been worrying about this very thing.

After reading the talk here on this topic, I have some things to add. As for myself, I am not trying to establish bragging rights.....not that it has been assumed by anyone. Speaking for my granddaughter, she is very intelligent, far beyond her little years. It is already evident that she is not  fitting into kindergarden...the other kids are clearly in their niche...she is not. She is not stimulated or challenged and is getting bored already. But it's not really a matter of needing a challenging program...it's far above that. It's hard to put a finger on it actually....I think if you could imagine, putting her into a group of students who are in their final year of a bachelor degree in the sciences...that is where her challenge level would be....that stuff would interest her. No, I am not saying that she knows that stuff at this time...but that is the level of challenge she needs and that she would be able to understand and tweek her interest. Yes, she is just a child..and needs that child stuff in her life...to play with dolls...play house...swing and play in the dirt......but guess what? She isn't interested in those things. Not by anyone's choice or pushing but by her own...she is instead checking out her dinosaur bones under the microscope. She is learning about the planets, where they are in the solar system....she is really into that stuff...she knows their names, knows all the rings of Saturn....many of them she can tell you what gasses are predominent on each planet......I can't follow her cuz I don't have a clue what she is talking about. She gets alot of her information from shows on tv. That is where her interest is. She knows so much about green house gasses.....what is causing them, what they will do....she is talking all about the weather patterns..
She is clearly on a path that is much different from the norm.....she is seeking something that is far out of my realm of understanding...and it has nothing to do with math or reading. I can't even understand it myself....I just know it's there...I can see it in her eyes, feel it in her heart...it's like I know her soul is yearning to get the job done...whatever that job is. And that is the key phrase: whatever that job is......and I don't even think she knows what it is either. But she sure does have this interest in talking to people at the university and she sure has a thing about the environment......she doesn't get that from her mother and recycling at home either....her mother frequently gets a speaking to about 'what she just did'. (litter bug)

Well.....there is no one telling her that she is special in any other way than other kids...what she is told is that she is very special to us and that we love her more than anything. She is never told that she is gifted or better, different than any other child. We don't push any of this stuff on her...she is doing it to herself, because she has the interest and the desire to learn it and have it in her life.
Lets face it, you can't make a kid want to learn what they don't want to learn.
She was never one of those kids whose mother was pumping love songs or stories at her while she was still in the womb either. .....no, not from my daughter! You know how some mothers/parents are...trying to create a smart and advanced kid....even before birth.

No one tells her that she is gifted...or different in any way. For one thing, I know better than that...I have spent years studying child physcology and worked in the business of childcare education. It is highly detrimental to a child's overall health to try to make them out to be something that they aren't.

My daughter doesn't have a clue about any of these things....all she knows and understands is that her daughter is smart. However I have seen that there is something about MiKayla that goes beyond smarts and I have seen it since the moment that we first looked into each others eyes....when she was only hours old.

MiKayla doesn't need anyone to tell her that she is different is some way...she already knows it...but she doesn't see it as being different...to her, her intelligence, interest and desire is all normal....and what she is continually seeking is only a normal quest in her daily life. It's not different for her. She doesn't see herself as different from other kids her age either....she tolerates them, plays with them...but it isn't enough. She told me just the other day: 'Trinity doesn't talk very well. But that is ok...she will get better at talking. She is still my friend'.
'I am going to help my friends recognize their names on their name cards. They can't read yet'

hmmmmmmmm, I can't see my little shortstop sitting amongst university graduates conversing in an intense scientific discussion...but that is exactly where she would be happy to sit and listen and take part.

She only needs encouragement, acknowledgement of her achievements, TONNES OF LOVE,  and an open door of opportunity to grow.

No one needs to tell these kids who they are, what they are....they already are beginning to get a grip on these things themselves...they will confirm this within themselves. They already know that they are in pursuit of something good....many don't know just what it is yet....but they will...just as you or I have come to find our own spirituality.
I think that from day one they already know that they are on a path of complexity and what the content of that is will be a struggle in itself. And once they find what it is that their soul is searching for....or the 'place to be'........bingo...the light is on and then you just watch what they will do! That is the moment of true realization. Look out!

As for 'labels'........I was actually offended by that word. It isn't a label. It's no different than anything else in our vocabulary of understanding 'what is not the same as something else'...........we have ADHD, AUTISTIC. MENTALLY CHALLENGED, GENIOUS, CHRISTIAN, CATHOLIC, PHYSICALLY HANDICAPPED, SPECIAL NEEDS, HIGH SOCIETY, LOW INCOME FAMILIES, MILLIONAIRES, CELEBRITIES, RACES, NATIONALITY,........the list goes on and on........referring to a specific group of children coming in as Indigo or Crystal is really no different. It only allows our brain a distinction from other. We need distinction...we can't all be the same. However, we are all the same in that we are human....we feel the same emotions. We have bone and flesh...we are people. We are the same. But we are all different...that is what makes us individual.
Who in their right mind is going to point it out 'here is an Indigo child' any more than they would say, 'here is an Autistic child'? No..everyone is different but yet we are the same.
I don't believe I ever said that she was definitely Indigo.....I believe she may very well be tho....and either way, she is loved just as much. Only the future will show the world for sure...time will tell.

For many of the Indigo/Crystal kids who are now adults and just entering that self discovery......have you read their testimonies on how suddenly feel so much better...like their eyes have been opened and now they are realizing that they have something to do?? They have had these feelings and interests but never had a clue as what to do with them? Now they find the purpose, have found something completely unique and important to do with themselves...and it's a feeling like they have just 'come home'......maybe this delayed reaction is because there wasn't much knowledge/acknowledgement in prior years over these kids.....not understanding why they funked out of school...why they have never fit in....just these feelings of being losers...having done nothing with themselves....so yes Spooky, a school for higher intelligence! A school not to just build on that intelligence, but to aid in a education different from the norm...abstract.
Maybe in 5 years from now we have as many adults just 'getting' it.......now that we have more insight and understanding today. The idea is to help all kids grow, learn and mature into adults. No matter what type of needs the child has. And it's not up to us as to who they will become....that is their discovery to find. As adults, all we can do is offer encouragement, love and opportunity.
I don't know....if this made any sense at all.  :P

.............. :P.last paragraph.....'have LESS adults just getting it...'!!!   :P

Justin....just had to remark on your post that I only saw after my last one went up.....what you said about being lonely, shy.....artistic from an early age.....wow...just like her! The artistic point really stood out.....it's phenomenal. She is no 'picasso'.......but she has been drawing great stuff since she was a year old.....heheheheee, I have a pic that she drew of me when she was one.....complete with hair, eyelashes, fingers and toes...clothes...the sun and flowers in the yard...birds in the sky. I faxed it to everyone I knew...lol....and now it sits framed on the piano. Her drawings have long since surpassed anything that her mom ever did and I thought that her mom was quite talented all her life. So ya, everything that you have just said sure does ring true over here..... ;)

Hi Mystic! wow! I got the feeling you have agreed to be a sort of guardian for this child, not to take her into your home, but be there for her until her body reaches maturity and she appears to be an adult already within spiritual dimension. don't worry about bragging rights! you certainly have them! :D what an adventure to be grandmother to such a light! as you know, i am wishing to be grandmother also and seeing the beauty of that role...while you already possess it. your own life as described on this forum has also been unusual. I have always been proud of you as I got to know you from my limited viewing position here.
new schools for these children? yes, or just new teachers perhaps, or a new curriculum which begins to teach children the basics first..such as who and what you are, right along with the abc's and 2+2=4. I was thinking home schooling would be a new trend; you know, you may have to crack open a biology or science book with her ;) I can see you two in my mind; Mystic and Mikayla, snugged up in a recliner chair, a book on your lap and she thanking you for it down the line! they probably won't take her into the university unless she took the entrance exams and passed. please don't let them make her into a guini pig with the electrodes on the brain and all of that..there might be a few who would want to study her this way..and it's not beneficial to the child, but you already know this I assume. there is a school called Montessori, I believe which is based on individual assessment of children and individual attention. I don't think public school will be right for her; not enough opportunity to express individuality there in general.
I leave you with this thought from DP my guide:"and a little child shall lead them..."
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.....I have got to get ready for work.....but OMG Alysia, you have hit on something that just had a temendous impact on me! Her guardian.....you have no idea how that fits with me...how I feel about her and how we react together. That one word: guardian has somehow changed something in me...... ???
...for the good of course!
You know how people talk about in having found their soul mate? It feels almost what that would be like, but different. Her and I have this 'click' of some kind....it's stronger than a bond. It is so much different than a bond....hard to explain.
When she was just hours old and they brought her out of icu I got to hold her while my daughter was sleeping (go figure!).....I held her up and looked straight into her eyes and those eyes of hers, wide open, alert and searched my insides out...it felt like she stripped my soul down learning everything possible in just mere minutes.
I had tracked down a rocking chair...the only one in the entire hospital....and found a retired storage room and had a nurse drag that chair in there....and there  I sat in dim light with this little newborn.....and rocked her gently for 'hours'...feeling her warmth, trust, love....singing quietly to her...the most beautiful time together that I have ever known. I wasn't about to give her up to anyone, not even to my daughter for feedings!
But that was the start of the bond....and to this day...we are 'one' with each other. She is completely different around me than she is with anyone else, including her own mom. She talks to me about deeply personal things to her...she shows a level of emotion with me that no one else see's....I know what she needs before she does. It's way too natural...I have never experienced anything like this before. And you are right...it feels like I am her real life guardian angel....hmmmmmmm, I have been calling her my baby angel since she was born!
You always say such nice things.....you are so sincere in everything that you say......thanks!! ;)...but you know, you have helped me to grow....did you know that??  ;)

Mystic Dreamer:

It sounds like it will be an exciting adventure to see how things turn out. Hopefully throughout the years, you'll let us know how things turn out.

 Hi Alysia,

 Thank you for the kind and encouraging words :)

Just keep in mind...I was born with Leo Rising ::) and flattery is the last thing us Big Cats need ;D


Hi Mystic Dreamer,

 I get the sense that your Grandaughter is beyond me, vibrationally speaking.  Nurture her well....  Btw-- Being versed in astrology, i would like to see her B-chart--do you know where, when, and what time she was born?

 I cannot tell if she is direct from another system... but believe it is a strong possibility--the eyes in Old Earth Souls are intense too, but the eyes of these Souls...can be something else.

If she is coming in direct from another more expanded system, her chart won't mean much though....

With Love,
Justin

Justin I'm not flattering a big cat...I'm celebrating one! I don't flatter people anymore. ;) love, alysia

lol.....Justin!!! Of course I know the details of her birth!! lol  ! I was right there!! Check out your messages...I sent it to you!
I am really interesting to hear what you find...so please be sure to let me know!

The Montessori schools are an excellant point Alysia.....as far as I have ever been concerned, those are the best schools around. In their own way, they promote a sense of spiritual awareness/growth. They help kids learn to focus on the beauty of life and to use their new founding skills in an atmosphere free of redicule and comparison. They are able to learn at their own rate and to experiment freely. Freedom of thought and speech is encouraged. These schools are excellant and would be a great choice for all kids to attend.
Anyway...c'ya all later gators! 8)

Mystic, this morning in the inbetween state where I get one-word messages, sometimes lucky enough to get three words, but I got the word Astro, and then it connected to the word physics.
immediately, before coffee even! I went to the dictionary; I copied and pasted the definition for Mikayla as I was reminded this is probably her field of expertise:
                      astrophysics

The branch of astronomy devoted to the study of the physical characteristics and composition of objects in the sky. Typical concerns of astrophysics are how much light the stars give off and the size, mass, and temperature of planets and stars.
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I believe she has brought this knowledge with her into this life, the same way Beethoven started playing the piano right off the bat!  I think you are supposed to get her a book, one with diagrams.....:D
love, alysia  ps. it's not my field, I'm more into astral planes...and I'm still groggy from sleep when Mikayla's name popped into mind.

Hey Alysia.....a book with diagrams for her?? or are the diagrams for me??? !!!   :P
Hahahaha, most likely for me! As I have never heard of astrophysics before and it's a darn good thing that you provided some explanation of it
However....I do think that you have got something here. Just the other day, out of the blue, she told me that the sun was a star...and then she asked me if I knew that. Well...I have never actually thought of it myself...just thought the sun was 'the sun'!
Many times she has said to me: I know you don't understand meema (she calls me 'meema')...so I will try to make it easy for you.   :P
Well gee...at least someone understands my simple mind!
She has asked me if I have ever wondered what it would be like to go into the sky and visit all the stars out there......she never said she wanted to do it or wondered herself what it would be like, she wanted to know if I ever wondered about it myself.
I am going to buy one of these books on the subject that you are talking about and introduce it to her....and see what happens. I am really interested in seeing her expression and interest.
Thanks Alysia.... ;D

Mystic, you seem to be having so much fun, what a darlin she seems like! tell her maybe the 3 of us can astral travel to the stars sometime, I would really like to meet her. say hello to her for me! I've been wanting to walk straight into a planet and have look around the surface too...love, alysia

"Now she is 4 years old. She is smarter than smart...it's so weird. Her level of intelligence is that of a college student...she knows things about science related stuff that I have never heard of."

I surely hope you are exaggerating  ::)...if not, then i should hope to see this child on 60 minutes or 20/20.  :P


Then agian, I have seen college students do things that a 4 year old would know better than to do.  ;D

Black_Napkin,

Thanks for bringing this thread back up to the top otherwise I might not have read it as this passed month I seem to have missed much here.

Anyhow, to the rest of you guys on this thread, I just want to add my 2 cents to your interesting input.

My husband and I have a young friend who is very different.  She’s the one who guided to where we currently live and where I was able to complete my education last year.  Anyhow, she went through the whole Ritalin thing and finally as a young teen took Acid.  She was a young adult when we met her but when she and I would get into discussions about the sort of thing we discuss here; she blew my mind with her insight and knowledge.  Meanwhile she spoke of coming across the Indigo book and feeling tremendous relief at having her experience described to the point where when she had her first child she named her Indigo Blue.  I suspect that my #2 son also fits into this category and I tried to get him funded for Montessori School way back when he was 5 with no luck.  They did put him in the gifted class with the stipulation that he could leave whenever he choose. But he never went the med route until he became an adult.  I think this group has been around a lot longer than we realize and that maybe eventually we’ll get back to more natural learning teaching institutions which maximize the potential of each of us no matter what level we operating on or at least recognize it’s our system and not our children who have a problem.  A person like Jean Huston realizes this and speaks on it.

Thanks MD for all your detail on you wonderful grandchild, Love, Jean  :-*

I'm sorry to ask this, but what age range exactly constitutes an Indigo child, and what age are these so-called Crystal children? Are there specific color-coordinated soul entities from before these times, or is this a new phenomenon arising in the last twenty or so years?

I wonder what will be after these Crystal children? I wonder if they're going to lead us into a world without poverty and self-serving greed...we can't seem to manage ourselves without help, can we? It's frustrating.

As for all this Indigo Child, Crystal Child labeling...I'm sixteen. I know that I am different. I don't often choose to talk about myself, personally, but I often wonder why I am the way that I am. Life is an interesting research topic.

Black Napkins...I see you are somewhat new here.
I take the information, stories and other feedback on this board seriously and I have never given trumped up information here for others to read. Therefore, I can assure you that I am not exaggerating about my grandchild on this matter...and yes, you just might see her one day on shows such as 20/20 or 60 minutes.
Should you chose to do some further research on your own about these children, you will find that what I have said about my granddaughter is very much the same as what others are finding about their own children, or others that they know of.

What Indigo/Crystal Kids bring to our world today and their purpose for the future is truely beautiful and amazing...and your resonse to what I have said here about my granddaughter is sarcastic and offfensive to me.

Mystic_dreamer,

I'm sorry if my post seemed offensive, altough it was sarcastic, i didn't mean it in a offensive way.

I just think that a 4 year old doing complex calc problems, knowing interworkings of international economics, or knowing what the chemical make-up of certain compounds is a bit far fetched.

I don't doubt that your grandchild is very bright, and wonderful, i just think that your statement is hard to swallow.

I just think a 4 year old wouldn't have the vocab to support this. I realize that some children memorize words, or terms and use them without knowing the true meaning/concept behind them. Hell, i bet everyone has done that. But that doesn't mean that you truely possess the knowledge, only the term.

I haven't done a ton of research on the topic, although it is a comforting one, if it can be trusted.

As for changing schools/education to fit this new generation, the schools in this country need a ton of help as it is..Most kids of the age of 4-10 i know are more interested in video games and TV than learning anyway.

I realize i am 'new' but, I certainly did not come to this board to attack you or even discredit you. I saw something i find hard to believe, i just let you know.


To not question, is to follow blindly.


I guess it all comes down to a matter of perspective...So, what if someone says that theres going to be a new generation to guide us into a spiritual awakening...At some point a bunch of people put their trust that Hitler was going to lead germany out of the depression. Well, he did, but oh what a price.

I just think theres alot of wishfull thinking that gets passed off as fact to easy.

Did I make any kind of point? or even sense lol

A Story told by a Ghost ;)

It’s part of the process of a world’s evolution that when it reaches a given level of progress spirits from an other plane might come to help us to evolve.

-Biblical Story of lost paradise:

When a world reaches a reasonable point in its evolutionary path it’s necessary to reallocate the spirits that do not fit at the average evolutionary planet’s current level from the ones who do, in order to allow a new age of progress.
The mechanisms to achieve such complex goal are the strong natural disasters that provide mass of “departures”. Those spirits once in the astral will naturally be filtered according to their vibe traits. (Of course regarding also to their Karmic issues)

The spirits who where tuned with a primitive world will be lead to reincarnate in a primitive world,  there, despite their violence an other temporary limitations their sub conscious knowledge will start an age of progress like “discovering the fire”, “discovering the Wheel” and so on.
Despite their fault of PUL their presence there will bring more progress than prejudice. In other hand they will have a new chance in a world that still fits their energetic.

When we were still living in caves we have “hosted” such guys that brought us the first steps into developing language and other stuff. (Of course those spirits were using the same kind of bodies as us, I’m talking about their Spirits) they came from a planet called CAPELA. Which at that time was at an evolutionary level very similar with the earth now a days.

Now the story starts again, earth is reaching the same point in its evolutionary path that Capella was at that ancient time. So a lot of “PUL_faulting_like_guys” will start to be sent to a primitive world in order to have a new chance and to provide some progress to that primitive world people. THIS IS THE POINT where usually some more evolved spirits (PUL Sources) come by their own will  with the “OK” of some “Big guys” to help us to enter in a new age of peace and justice. (that some one has called Indigo Kids?)
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SASUKE wrote: "...As for all this Indigo Child, Crystal Child labeling...I'm sixteen. I know that I am different. I don't often choose to talk about myself, personally, but I often wonder why I am the way that I am. Life is an interesting research topic..."    -  You might can be one of then...  ;)

Black Napkins...after reading your last reply here, I see that you have a greatly exaggerated version of what I have said here about the intelligence of my granddaughter.
What I have said prior is that she has a good understanding and interest in the solar system...that she has a deep desire to save this planet...that she has an interest in the University here in that she wants higher learning and as well, that she has things that she wants to talk about there....I have said that she is incredibly smart...she counts well up into the hundreds, hitting 1000 is easy for her...she is reading, printing ..where her classmates at this time are not even able to recognize their own names on paper yet.
She can do mathematical equations....not calculus or trigonometry as you stated....but basic arithmetic ....she has been looking at algebra....and square root...
I have said that she has this strong sense of inborn knowledge and wisdom of many of life's complexities.....
Her interest in dinosaurs and their past existence on earth is a huge source of interest to her and her brain on this topic reads like a textbook...
I have said that her soul is wise...much too wise for her little 4 years of life. She understands things...and settles them in her heart in a different way than most of us do....she does it with peace, love and understanding....and then accepts the outcome...and then learns from it. This is something that most adults never really learn how to do in their lives....she does this as if it is second nature to her. She has taught me alot.
She has conversations with Jesus....and yet, she has never been to Church....we are not an overly religious family.
The most noteable thing about her is that she has this profound love for all people, animals and this planet. When you look into her eyes, you can see it. When she looks into your eyes...she will read every part of your soul....she will see things in you that you don't even know.
She is interested in the solar system...world issues....really interested in world issues...like 3rd world poverty...3rd world diseses....the weather changes...she is interested in the geographics of the oil producing countries: Iraq, Saudi Arabia..Kuwait....and these are not issues that she sits down and has conversations about....what she does is seek out info on them...and then processes it in her head...and then she does something with it.....almost as if she is planning something with this information.
You can see the wheels churning in her head...but she doesn't say much about it.
At the least expected times, she will throw you a curve ball and come out with something on this that will knock your socks off....a 'vision' if you will, of the outcome of things in the future...and a thought on how to prevent it.
School......kindergaten at the time, has no impact on her.....she is not learning anything. She has already surpassed grade 12...and not in all the English prophencies....and all that you learn in the 12 years of schooling.....she has the knowledge of something else...things that take years and years of learning thru mistakes...the wisdom...it is something that she was born with...and she is fine tuning it all as we speak.
What her classmates are learnig at this time is passe' to her....and yet, she has the tolerance to be patience with them...a knowing that they are just learning....so she just preoccupies herself with other things, things in which they have not the slightest interest in. She draws pictures of the solar system...she draws pictures of weather phenomena.
All that interests her about school at this time is the parties for special occassions...
As an early childhood educator, I am well aware of how a child learns...what they hear and see around them...their brains are little sponges....-however, all that I have been saying is that what she is going on, is not what she is getting from her environment....it is all coming from an intringent level of source.
No matter where she goes...what she does or what she says...she emitts love.
Anyone and everyone who has met her or knows her, all say the same thing: there is something very special about her.
And she is not the only child like this out there....and there are some who are coming forward on this board.
So this is all that I have said.....I have not made her into some mathimatical genius...or some Einstein.....just this little girl who has such a great forgiving love and deep desire to make this world a better place...a little girl who was born into this world with an uncanny sense of human existence and future outcome and a growing knowledge bank to help her achieve her goals.
I have said that she could be sitting amongst the college or university students.....not in a kindergarten circle.....and what I also said was that while she might not be able to converse freely with them on their subject, but that she would be learning everything that was being talked about....because that is the level that her brain is operating at. That is the level that her intelligence is tweeked at.
And to further add to that.....that type of education isn't what is interesting her....what interests her is something much deeper than that. And time will tell.
It's knowledgeable. spiritual...something that we don't understand well yet ourselves...but she is definitely working on it. And she is not alone.
In fact, there is another child that I have seen just within the last week....who is just like my granddaughter...and I could see it in her eyes. It's unmistakeable. And she is about the same age as my granddaughter. These precious little children, have a very unique soul and their eyes show it.....and their souls seem to connect not with every person...

Enough of this...
I don't understand why it would be so hard for you to believe that there are such intelligent kids out there anyway....they are in fact on tv shows all the time....kids who are 9 and 10 years old who are already working on their 5th and 6th year in unversity.....fantastically smart and gifted kids.

Mystic Dreamer, that is fantastic about your granddaughter. There are many old wise souls like her that are coming here now to help the earth and her people in the Ascension.

I'm sure we'll see many of these children on 20/20, etc. There was the movie "Indigo" too which I didn't see.  There's a website I'll search for about a 9 year old who is very, very advanced.

With Love, Mairlyn ;-)

I was wrong, she's 11 but started very early in life:

http://www.artakiane.com/

Love, Mairlyn ;-)

Yes, Mairlyn, I noticed this movie just the other day and picked it up.  It will be interesting to see what it is like.  It's noteworthy how these ideas are being absorbed into our culture so quickly now.

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Hi Marilyn...!!!
I looked at that website that you brought to this topic....holy cow....that little girl painted those pictures??? So absolutely awesome!!! Just absolutely awesome!
Maybe one day my little MiKayla will paint like that.....but for now she is just a busy little drawer!!
And she likes to sing too.....I have already mentioned this to another member here about her singing...she has a voice and she sounds like a pretty little songbird! Maybe that will be how she gets to help people...thru her voice!
I mentioned another little girl here in my previous post on this topic....another girl about the same age as my granddaughter.....I work as a cashier in a busy grocery/warehouse type store up here....and I see hundreds of people every day. Nothing ever really phases me or catches my attention but this one day last week, this little girl passed thru my lane and she looked up me. I caught her eyes and I started to look away and then was immediately pulled back to her eyes. And I just stared....it was so strange..it wasn't like I was looking into her eyes...it was more like a soul to soul conversation. Holy....she stripped my soul just like MiKayla did when she was born and looked into my eyes for the first time. The amount of love and peace that came from within this little girls eyes was phenomenal....I don't know how else to describe it.
I couldn't pull my eyes from hers...and it wasn't because I was just locked in a stare...it was more of a love stronghold she had on me! Weird!!! But very pleasant. When I could finally look away...as my eyes left hers, she just smiled at me...and her eyes seemed to say something to me....like: 'I know 'you know'....."
You know....I have only seen this twice now....in my granddaughter and in this little girl.....and there is something unusual in this I think....because this little girl was East Indian and my granddaughter is East Indian as well. I wonder if there is some connection with the East Indian people? Or will there be some connection in the future as we move towards this shift?
I just think that this one little minor coincidence is kind of odd...both 2 little 4 year old's, both girls and both East Indian....what do you think?
Anyway...I am working on a website and soon it will be finished....I will post the link here. It is basically all about MiKayla....pics of the things she draws...her quotes....her dreams and accomplishments......all kinds of stuff.....
;D

Hmmm, I don't know about the fact that they're both East Indian. I do know these children are showing up in all cultures.  I do know what you mean about the eyes. About 5 years ago I was on the train and saw a 3 month old baby that looked at me with eyes that were so wise and she just stared and smiled and I knew we had made a soul connection.

I'll be looking forward to seeing your website. ;-)

Love, Mairlyn ;-)

Hey Marilyn!! I love your story!!
I don't know....I have worked with children from all walks of life, many different cultures...and I have never seen anything that resembles what I have been talking about that is emitted from these 2 children's eyes. Somewhere there must be some kind of significance to this. There must be.  Could it be to bring love and peace, acceptance and understanding to their culture from the other cultures around the world? Morseo, from the western world?? In some kind of devine effort to bring the 2 cultures together in love and peace prior to the shift??
I am really puzzled over why I have only seen this in these 2 children and not in other cultures. Yes I know that these gifted kids are showing up in other cultures around the world...that is why I don't understand why I am only seeing it in this culture. In other kids, all I see when I look into their eyes (and I am big on looking into eyes for some reason!)...is either happy eyes...sleepy eyes...angry, frustrated, mischeivious eyes....playful ones, loving ones...sad or daring.....
Basic in general, kids eyes!
So that is why I wonder if there is some kind of significance to this or not.
Geeeze, do I make any sense?!!!!   lol
I can see things in adult eyes too....and I am generally right on the money with that...you know exactly what kind of person he/she is just by the eyes.
Oh blab blab blab.....
I will have to think about this some more......if anyone else has something to say on this I would love to hear it. Do I have a blind eye or something?? Is there a learning lesson in this for me somewhere along the way maybe?? Or is it for some reason that I am more sensitive to this culture that these kids are coming from?? More open, receptive to them??? And if so...then why from a specific culture? Why then this culture?
Now look at what I have done....gone and opened up a whole new can of worms to drive myself crazy trying to figure out! Oh why-o why-o why-o....why do I do this!!!!!!!
Oh questions questions questions!!!!!!!!

Wow and double wow Mystic Dreamer!  I really enjoyed you going into more depth about your daug.. uh um granddaughter ;)

 I can relate to your daughter in a lot of ways.  When i was about 4 i felt this tremendous love and concern for humanity, and i felt depressed because it seemed they needed help because of so much suffering.  Around this time my parents asked me the usual, what do you want to be when you grow up, and i told them that i wanted to be a doctor to everyone, everywhere, and that i would always be there for them.  

 I pestered my dad to write a song about this, and we sat down and wrote the song together, from him asking me questions and me answering, called Dr. Everywhere.  The lyrics are short and i think you might appreciate it so i will share it here.  

 Dr. Everywhere

 I had a talk with my son, i asked him when you grow up, what is that you wanna do, that you want to be?

I see you draw pretty fine, even straighter than mine, you sing the songs that you hear...you've got a good ear, tell me whats on your mind?

He said, "Dad i wannna be a doctor, doctor to everyone, i'll always be there...i'll be everywhere.."

Dr everywhere, Dr. everywhere, Dr. everywhere...Dr. everywhere...

He talked of pain in this world and all the people who hurt, "Daddy whose gonna care...show some concern.."

 And it brought tears to my eyes to see this four year old try to understand that we all have so much to learn, and its time we begin...

He said, "i wanna be a doctor...doctor to everyone.. I'll always be there..i'll be everywhere.."

Dr. everywhere, dr. everywhere..dr. everywhere...dr. everywhere..


 I was a very odd child, and many of the other kids ignored me, or made fun of me.  I would just sit and draw by myself in school, and i never even had to try grade wise.   I became deeply interested in genetics and race theories around age 11 or 12.  And became obsessed with astrology when 13, then with all metaphysics and understanding of God, and i felt this deep connectiveness of life, and knew that God was everywhere and part of everything.

 When i was baptised, my spiritual and psychic mother saw a brilliant shaft of Light enter into my body (she also saw my birth psychicall and saw me enter the body fully a bit after i was born.)

 I have had dreams about being in the middle of a group of people holding hands, and being a channel for the Christ Spirit.  This was when i was doing Gateway in home intensively, and i interpreted that if i keep on the path, i will make myself fit for Christ to fully enter in... Christ being nothing but PUL--Love impersonal, Love Divine.  I still have much to work on, and still my ego to transcend, but its getting less and less everyday--my Twin Soul saw me die in the dream state at 44.  44 is a master number and is very symbolic, as was the dream---what shall die--the personality, this Justin who knows separation, fear, and ego shall die...

Many, many people have commented on my eyes and their intensity since i was little.  Mostly women, but even men have commented how deep my eyes were.  My best friend Jeff once said, "your eyes are so strange...  I just get lost in them when i look at you for to long."  And this person then was rather uptight and reserved--not macho, just not very demonstrative.

 Lol course it helps that they are a striking color of very light and piercing gray blue, often with green undertones.  

 I've been misuderstood my whole life by many, many people.  Many have shunned me, or been greatly attracted to me.  It seems people sense my Light, and sometimes their egos react with fear, and in some cases have tried to hurt me.  But i'm getting beyond personal reactions...so lol its all good.

 So yes, the vanguard is out there, and more are coming.  We came to prepare the way for Yeshua to return in public and in the same body he had when teaching in Galiee.  Many of us, will not taste of death in this life, unless it serves a higher purpose.

 But i must stress that some of the specific theories out their are at best wild guesses.  These very mature souls have been coming in since the 50's or so, but as we move more and more into the Aquarian Age and alignment with the Galactic Center, more and more are coming...  Some are very mature Earth Souls like me, and some are direct from other much more advanced systems.  Its like attracts like.

 Would be parents, you can make yourselves fit channels for these Souls with a poweful and universal purpose.  Many of us come and are attracted to the Light of someone in the immediate family...  Most often the mother (in my case), sometimes the father or a combination, or some like in Mystic case, the Grandmother.  

Nothing major is going to happen in 2012 and there is much misuderstanding about this date.  Some major things are going to happen before, and some after, and the tide is slowly but surely turning....

The East Indian thing... Remember this is a general statment and is very relative, but the East Indian peoples have long kept themselves, as a whole, as a channel for wisdom.  There is a fast vibrating thought-form around this race consciousness (which is simply a "group" collective energy) and their bodies are better equiped to handle very fast and powerful vibrating Souls.  Just as the Essense worked their butts off for 400 years to attract the Messiah--they practised spiritual eugenics, i.e. energy mating, physical exercise, diet, meditation, and a self disciplined lifestyle.  Yeshua could not have been born to any other people as these as a whole was a very, very fast vibrating group energy...  This is the key, group energy, it amplifies expotentially

Thank you very much for sharing Mystic Dreamer :)
With Love

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Nothing major is going to happen in 2012 and there is much misuderstanding about this date.  Some major things are going to happen before, and some after, and the tide is slowly but surely turning....

 I would like to go more into this, state my perceptions, and perhaps clarify a bit about this whole 2012 thing.  

 Astronomically and historically, as many of you know, this date is supposedly taken from the Mayan calendar (there are some confusions about this) and from the alignment of our Winter Solstice Sun with the Galactic Center.

2012 is not the only date for this, and one author John Major Jenkins points out that this alignment and merging is not so black and white--there is variance.  1998 could also be considered the year for this alignment, and interestingly many, many years ago in the 1920's, 30', and early 40's Edgar Cayce's Source mentioned this date as quite important.   Coincidence?  I don't think/feel so.

 Now, because of many channeled writings out there with little substence, a lot of people in the spiritual world believe that they, or many of us are going to be "Ascended" in 2012.

 I do not see this happening, though some will Transcend around this time....but the percentage is going to still yet be very low as compared to world population.  

 Around this "time" of 2012, there will be a time of great faciliation for this.   Yet before or not too long after, humanity will be tested by Fire.  I do not know in what form, but i lean to 2 possibilities.

 I had a dream where i was seeing a comet, or asteroid, and in the dream i thought or knew that this vision was coming from Bruce Moen.  I've barely talked to Bruce at all in C1 so i don't know why i've had at least a few dreams about him.

 The other major possibility i've considered is from Paul LaViolete's scientific theory that the Galactic Center exploded cyclically, and sends an immense energy wave out from its center which will have the effect of pushing cosmic dust, debris, into the Sun causing it to become extremely, extremely active with huge CME's and constant solar flares.

 To say that this will effect our climate and the Earths crust is a mild statement.  Like Cayce said, there will be a "polar shift" which means the Crust of the Earth will move relatively fast and furious, its in the middle stage now, and is picking up speed.  When it culminates, there will be about 60 day period when the crust slides, and roughly in the middle of this 60 day period, there will be a period of 7 days where it moves the most and fastest.

 We have observed in other Galaxies, the Galactic Cores exploding with tremoundous energy, so much so that all the light from all the billions of other stars is "washed" out, and it is just one big halo effect.

 We have observed other Stars being occulded by great amounts of dust and which are very active.  These are called T-Tauri stars, and they often have much infrared energy thrown off.  If this happens to our Star, our skies will become darkened and very reddish.  Normally our Sun keeps this debris at bay by its powerful and constant solar winds and magnetic force field if you will, but a Galactic Super wave is strong enough to push much of this debris into the Sun's protective sheath...this adds much kinetic energy to a Star, and it will seem to "go" crazy for awhile until it can reorient itself and push this field back out beyond our immediate Solar system.

 I've seen this in dreams and visions--The Red skies.  Now interestingly, in 2002 some astronomers detected some short, rapid pattern bursts from our normally quiet Galactic Center.

 The Mother/Father is waking up and she wants to exercise big time.  These bursts will happen more and become stronger, until it explodes with a tremdous force many millions times stronger than a Supernova--just as we have observed in other Galaxies.

 But the important thing to keep in mind is that this is primarily a energetic or "spiritual" event.  And there is no point in being afraid.  This is a tremoundous opportunity for humanities developement...

It seems that Bruce has seen some of this stuff too, but maybe doesn't know fully about the phsycial aspect, or maybe he believes it is more important to stress the spiritual aspect?  If he wasn't so busy, i would like to talk to him about this...  Either way, i'm going to just take each day as it comes, yet i believe it is important for humanity to know and be prepared, it is getting closer than we think, and i we weren't meant to know to be prepared, then Yeshua would not have told us to keep an eye out 2000 years ago.

Nor would have told He/She told Bob after Bob mentioned that necessity was severe stuff, that "That is why the waiting.  The time will come."

Yes, necessity is severe stuff, but it is necessary to wake us up, otherwise we will probably destroy ourselves and take out a good portion of life on Earth as well.

 Man must have his stupid toys and games taken away, and we have agreed to this occurance on a much more expanded collective level than most can remember.

 Keep your center, meditate and pray oft, keep the Temple clean, strong, and balanced...  And most importantly Love others impersonally and unconditionally and you will have nothing to fear.  Nothing can harm, attack or hurt your True Self anyways!

Enjoy the ride, it may be a bit bumpy but boy how exciting it will be! :)

With Love

Justin!!!! Wow!! Holy Cow!!!!  ;D What an incredible response!! I loved reading all that....and I sure do appreciate all the time and effort that you put into writing all that. Very informative and thought provoking....thank you so much!! I have so much to say about it in turn...
First, I can't tell you how relieved I was to read your notes on the East Indian culture and the shift.....you know, there for awhile I was starting to wonder if I went bonkers or something.....I just haven't recieved this kind of repsonse from other children of other cultures...I was thinking that I was missing something!! So there is a significance to this ......and this is very interesting. Still I wonder why I am sensitized to it?
And then you mentioned some things on dreams that you have had concerning fire......when I read that, my heart leaped....why? Because after I started to recognize in myself (years ago) that I had some gift of future events (which normally come to me thru very specific dreams), I started to have recurring dreams (maybe once a year...but they are always the same) and that is of a hugely great explosion in the sky. It is not like a bomb going off...it is something in the sky...out in space but really close to earth. It's massive...frightening...and absolutely devastating to this planet. It is literally bringing shivers down my spine as I write this because of the impact that this explosion has on me.
In this dream...it is just a normal every day kind of day...and it is daytime...the sun is shining. For some reason I look out the window to see the sky and as I do this, I grab onto and hold my kids tightly to my body......a great fear of 'something' rips thru me...all in the same breath, a massive explosion in the skies and I am praying furiously....fear is huge...my heart is pounding...the skies turn a blood red color....it is the most fearful event ever. I wake up on seeing the skies turn a blood red...this whole dream is always the same...and causes me great anxiety for days afterwards........I wonder if this might be a similar vision that you see?
I have also had another dream, again I am huddled next to the window with my kids...this time it is at night and the skies are black. What has drawn me to the window is the sound of a trumpet, multiple trumpets.....and in my heart I know that this is a signal to look up to the skies. Again...there is fear but also anticipation. As I look up to the sky, it is like a black hole that is opening up...and coming from within this hole is great tuffs of crystal white fluffs of cloud...billowing like smoke. With each billow of white puffs of cloud, groups of angels...or cherubs??.....who are all blowing on these trumpets...more and more of these angels/cherubs come forward from within this array of cloud and sounds....and these sounds have turned from that of trumpets, to the most beautiful ever sounding musical formation of notes. My fear has turned to immense love and anticipation....suddenly, there are these beautiful white horses....with streaks of crystal or silver in their manes and tails....their nostrils are flared...they are galloping from within these cloud puffs....charging outwards and down towards the earth....and then I wake up.
Again I am left with very profound feelings from this dream that last with me for days.
Oh and Justin....I really love your song that you posted for me/fellow members to read. It really does remind me of MiKayla......she just wants to help people everywhere too!
Thanks for all this information.....I am going to re-read it again and again..... ;)

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"Justin!!!! Wow!! Holy Cow!!!!   What an incredible response!! I loved reading all that....and I sure do appreciate all the time and effort that you put into writing all that. Very informative and thought provoking....thank you so much!! I have so much to say about it in turn... "

Am glad you appreciated it Mystic Dreamer.  I can't take all the credit, its not always me, sometimes its my friends who are a bit more intune than me (lol to say the least!).  Not much different than Bruce getting a lot of info from what he called C.W's, though my abilities don't compare to Bruce's.


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First, I can't tell you how relieved I was to read your notes on the East Indian culture and the shift.....you know, there for awhile I was starting to wonder if I went bonkers or something.....I just haven't recieved this kind of repsonse from other children of other cultures...I was thinking that I was missing something!! So there is a significance to this ......and this is very interesting. Still I wonder why I am sensitized to it?

 Well, i do believe this is a universal thing, though it may be more concentrated here and there.  It may also be that you have strong other life dynamics from this area, and so you respect the people and are attracted to them a lot?


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And then you mentioned some things on dreams that you have had concerning fire......when I read that, my heart leaped....why? Because after I started to recognize in myself (years ago) that I had some gift of future events (which normally come to me thru very specific dreams), I started to have recurring dreams (maybe once a year...but they are always the same) and that is of a hugely great explosion in the sky. It is not like a bomb going off...it is something in the sky...out in space but really close to earth. It's massive...frightening...and absolutely devastating to this planet. It is literally bringing shivers down my spine as I write this because of the impact that this explosion has on me. In this dream...it is just a normal every day kind of day...and it is daytime...the sun is shining. For some reason I look out the window to see the sky and as I do this, I grab onto and hold my kids tightly to my body......a great fear of 'something' rips thru me...all in the same breath, a massive explosion in the skies and I am praying furiously....fear is huge...my heart is pounding...the skies turn a blood red color....it is the most fearful event ever. I wake up on seeing the skies turn a blood red...this whole dream is always the same...and causes me great anxiety for days afterwards........I wonder if this might be a similar vision that you see?

 Hmmm... i"ve been looking for people who have also seen this and no wonder i felt compelled to share this--even though many here might think me "doom and gloom" and/or delusional... Lol well if i'm either, i'm still a very happy joyful person so it doesn't matter...

   You know that us Capricorns are not explained very well in traditional astrology books at all, and we have a very bad rap.  Capricorn is actually one of the more innately or tending to be psychic signs--course there is much more to it than just the Sun sign to consider.   I once heard an astrology lecture where the teacher said that Capricorn is a very mediumistic sign.  Theres a lot more i could go into but this isn't really the place for it.  Sounds like you got the whole second sight thing going on too.

  I believe what you have been seeing is what i also have seen, but can't figure out what causes it.  From your description, it could be either the comet/asteroid or the Galactic explosion i've talked about.  But if it was the asteroid, then why would it explode while still in space unless when it hit the atmosphere, it broke apart and this created a large sonic boom?  Yet, what about this would cause the blood red skies?

 If it was a Galactic Super wave, i don't know if there would be a sound, but i guess there might be as there is a pressure/gravity wave that comes with it, though a bit delayed compared to the cosmic rays and other energies...  So we would feel it on some level before we saw it, and definitely before we felt and heard it.

 As soon as the debris is pushed into the Sun, the Sun itself would start to explode with huge CME's and in a very short time the sky would be very red and definitely darkened...  In the following weeks, because of the Solar energy being "stored" within the Earth, many volcanoes would go off, as well as huge earthquakes, and this would cause the sky to become much more darkened and the Sun would be little seen for a period.  Imagine nothing really too destructive happening during this time, but the sky being darkened and the Sun not really being seen to much.   This would have a strong, depressive effect on many people, just as in Norway, or in Seattle there is a higher suicide rate than average.   We don't realize how dependant we are on the Sun, and no wonder since materially it and water are the giver of life, and spiritually the Sun repesents the Spirit energy.

 No fear Mystic, replace the fear with Love and realize when this happens, this is our chance to get our act together and start building a civilization based on mutual love, kindness, and tolerance...  This, in the ultimate sense, is the most postive thing that could happen to us even though there will be pain.  As you Mothers know very well, there is almost always great pain before a beautiful birth...this is very similar..be happy and joyful for our Spirits and Mother Earth, and the collective growth and birth that comes from these changes.


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I have also had another dream, again I am huddled next to the window with my kids...this time it is at night and the skies are black. What has drawn me to the window is the sound of a trumpet, multiple trumpets.....and in my heart I know that this is a signal to look up to the skies. Again...there is fear but also anticipation. As I look up to the sky, it is like a black hole that is opening up...and coming from within this hole is great tuffs of crystal white fluffs of cloud...billowing like smoke. With each billow of white puffs of cloud, groups of angels...or cherubs??.....who are all blowing on these trumpets...more and more of these angels/cherubs come forward from within this array of cloud and sounds....and these sounds have turned from that of trumpets, to the most beautiful ever sounding musical formation of notes. My fear has turned to immense love and anticipation....suddenly, there are these beautiful white horses....with streaks of crystal or silver in their manes and tails....their nostrils are flared...they are galloping from within these cloud puffs....charging outwards and down towards the earth....and then I wake up.   Again I am left with very profound feelings from this dream that last with me for days. Oh and Justin....I really love your song that you posted for me/fellow members to read. It really does remind me of MiKayla......she just wants to help people everywhere too! Thanks for all this information.....I am going to re-read it again and again.....

 I haven't experienced the above dream you talked about, but it sounds very beautiful.  It seems like a real powerful spiritual event is going to take place around this time, but for whatever reason you conscious self filtered the dream somewhat through religious symbolism....  Some of the Angels and Cherubs, etc. may actually be our friends from other systems who will step in to help, if we are ready for it.   As well as the various Earth Light Beings who are just biding their time, for the right time.  Very powerful dream!   You have been shown much, and this probably means you will play a very helpful role when the time comes and your Total Self is preparing you for this, just as mine has...  To be blunt, many will die, but death is an illusion anyways, and they have pre agreed to this on some level.

 Am glad you like the song...  Almost everytime i think about it deeply, or listen to my fathers tape of it...  i start to cry, and i was crying when i wrote it for here.   It reminds me very deeply of my Soul purpose, and what i came for...its like striking the chord which is the same vibration of your inner self, and you just get chills, and a strange painful joy almost...

 Yes beautiful Mikayla will be helping many when the time comes as well.  She is strong, wise, loving, intuitive, and aware enough to help many, many people....  In the future, many of us will have more energy senstivity, and the people that will be put in leadership positions will be those like Mikayla, because they are truly leaders in every positive sense of the word.  I very much look forward to this, as people will as a whole be much happier, and our society won't be so much based on greed, power over others, materilism, and ego...

 The fearfilled ones fear and hate this coming day with a passion, and they are doing everything in their power to try and keep the same negative thought-form around humanity, so it is easier to manipulate...   We should send Love to them always, and keep in mind how much they must suffer when they have so cut themselves of from their True natures...

Your welcome, and i'm very appreciative that i helped to fill in some info for you.  Sometimes i feel a very strong urge to talk about the changes though i know most don't want to hear about these aspects, and i always try to listen to this strong urge.  My human self sometimes feels so deeply alone... and i'm glad that you've seen some of this too...makes me feel a little less alone lol how selfish of me...

Much Love and Appreciation

Well this topic has turned so much more interesting that it's almost too much. I had been reading it all along but now it's just explosive.. lol

Mystic_dreamer, that recurrent dream of yours sounds way too much like the apocalypse thing written in the Bible. It's kind of creepy but relieving at the same time. I felt kind of proud for you while reading your post.. why? I dunno.. :)

Hi Tayo! Yes...this thread has become 'explosive'!!! lol......I guess you could say in more ways than one!! Justin has brought some really interesting information to this thread....I am really happy to know that you have been enjoying this so far!! These 2 dreams do sound rather like the writings in the Bible.....I don't believe that they were inspired by what I have read in the Bible tho....the impact, the feelings, everything is so realistic in these particular dreams. When I had the one about the explosion in the skies.....the first time I had that one, I was literally shaken by it for weeks. It left a real heavy and frightening feeling with me. I also felt really sad for my kids at the time because I felt that they would never get to experience life....and that really saddened me.
I have had several dreams of heavenly origin and I have written about them here before. I have also had many dreams of events that have come true....even of the death of my dad.....even the day and month was right.
That was a rather bizzare experience.......it started to happen over our Thanksgiving weekend up here (Canada)........I had a dream that death was about to come to someone very, very close to me. A calendar appeared before my eyes showing the day and the month. I remembered that dream as I awoke the next morning......within barely 20 minutes of my morning getting underway, I slammed my baby toe on my right foot into the corner of the wall.....breaking that poor little toe at the joint.
I did not know what was happening with my dad at that very moment...he lived in another town not far from me......no one knew what was happening to him actually until much later that night. He had fallen inside his apartment and broke his right hip that very same morning. No one found him until dinner time....he was banging SOS on the wall on the guy above him came home from work and heard it....immediately recognized what it was.....and ran down to help.
This all happened early in October.....he was scheduled to be released from the hospital just before Christmas.....they said he was doing awesome (he ended having a hip replacement because of the break). I sent him a Christmas card in the mail to his hospital room.....it read: Hey Dad!!! This is so great! You will be home for Christmas! We will have a big homecoming party for you when you get home! I know that I never tell you this....but I love you so much! You are the best dad in the world. I love you!'
The card arrived at his hospital room....he never got a chance to open it....he passed away that afternoon from a massive stroke. This happened on the day and in the month that I had the dream of. It all started with a broken right hip.....the same morning as I broke my right toe...after waking up from that dream of someone close to me dying on a specific day and month.
He did go home alright.....but not home with us.
I tend to respect these vivid, realistic type dreams that I have....and these other ones that I have mentioned here are no exception, to say the least.
Justin....you are not alone! You have very much similar ones to what I have....
I have never read that info about Capricorns that you mentioned, being mediumistic....I surely believe it tho. I have written about alot of experiences here that I have had over the years, beginning when I was a young child.....so what you have said really hits home with me in that respect.
I don't know what causes the explosion in the sky either......it is a massive one tho. In my dreams it seems to happen in the western sky....and the explosion itself seems to cover as much of the sky as the eye can see.
I don't know what follows the horses in that other dream either....I get the feeling that it is God tho....some great grand being or spiritual event.
Whenever I think of those dreams...a verse/reading from the Bible always comes to mind....and that is to watch the skies for the signs...look up to the skies.....
The colors in these dreams are brilliant....and the music that I hear in the one dream is something so beautiful....can't say that I have ever heard anything like it here in this time. Musical yet angelic......
I would like to hear more Justin.... ;D

  I thought your dream about your Dad was very interesting ;)   I have had a lot of precog. dreams too, and i've noticed that the more intune one gets, the more literal and less symbolic these dreams become--as far as the precog ones.

 A little more from my friends and Total Self on the changes:   When the Galactic Center explodes and continually pulses for with its powerful energies which go "up" and "down" the vibratory scale all the way to the fastest vibration--Love, and when it stimulates the Sun, then the combination of these energies pouring into our Earth will have the affect to alter and mutate our D.N.A. and bring it up to a collectively faster vibration in physicality.  Btw--this pulsing with the Galactic Core is much like a great big Beating Heart of the Cosmos, yet this is but just a speck within the whole....

 Cayce Source mentions a new root race, which was seen by the prophets Ra and Thoth, and that this would develop as the changes develop...

 The last major change in human bodies happened 12,500 years ago during the Golden Age of Leo.  Ra, a life of Cayce's, was instruemental in preparing and faciliating this new root race evolution then, and he was working with some very evolved and intune Space brothers to make this change.   The Galactic Core may have been more active then too--at least i know there was also a Crustal shift that happened.

 These alterations to our species are very desirable, because they will allow us to express much faster vibrating Soul and Spirit energies while in the physical...  Our bodies are very dense right now (which makes it harder to express refined and faster vibrating energies of the Soul/Mind and Spirit Forces), but in the future they will be less dense and more towards what we call the etheric--which is more directly malleable by thought.

Light Beings, can alter very dense physical energies just by thought alone, but the majority of us will not be at that level for quite awhile, meanwhile these changes to physicality will allow us to manipulate our own realities/bodies more so, on average.

 Sickness will be virtually unknown as these DNA changes take place, and our psychic abilities will be much, much more increased on average...  Note that some sub-races, particularly those descended from the Atlantean blood like the Celts, the Iraqious, the Basques, and a few others, tend to have more people among them that are more innately psychic.   Why, because the Atlantean peoples were very psychic as a whole, and this carries over physically into the genetic pattern, and so souls who come to manifest strong psychic abilities often choose those types of bodies because they resonate, or are in sympathetic vibration with the purpose and abilties they came to have and express.  Of course, it doesn't have to be the case, and we all can awaken these abilities to some degree or other... What we are talking about are natural innate tendencies and patterns.  Like being born under Capricorn inclines a person towards certain expressions and tendencies, see?

 Our friends from other systems are also very much involved in refining our DNA, and much work is being done along these lines, especially etheric body energy work.  

 Before my Mother became pregnant with me, she had a very intense dream of being on board a ship with some very familar, friendly, loving, but impersonal beings...  Before this, all my mothers other pregnancies had failed, and she had had many a miscarriage.  The doctors told her that she would never be able to have a child because of childhood illnesses.

 I don't doubt that they helped her body so that she could become successfully pregant, and while she was i believe they worked on the fetus that was going to be chosen vehicle for expression...  I wouldn't be suprised in something like this happened with MiKayla and her Mother--though her mother may never remember this.

 I had a dream a little while ago, where some of my more intune and intelligent friends from other systems told me that in the decade of 2010 (so anytime between 2010 to 2019) there would be tens (?) of ships sent publically to Earth, and in the near future after this, when we built 3 ships of our own, like theirs, would be a significant time for humanity.

 I know i will be there when they come down, and i will play a role as faciliator and diplomat between some of thse beings and us.  This will because i will be in a leadership position at this point.

Not strangely, this is a role i've played in some other cycles.  Its amazing how much gets played out in a similar way, with only some minor variations here and there...  Its almost like time and history are much more cyclical, and like a great symphony, there are only so many major expressions (chords) and so eventually it gets replayed but with minor changes in the tempo and specific tones.

Interesting times indeed!   Yet so familar too on some many levels and nothing really "new" ;)

"...  I know i will be there when they come down, and i will play a role as faciliator and diplomat between some of thse beings and us.  This will because i will be in a leadership position at this point..."


Justin

All that you told us makes sense and I really like reading about your experiences. But some times it sounds too proud like if you were kind of a superior being. I’m saying that because I learnt that the superior souls tend to be people who express humility they are not too proud. So can you help to understand you better related to the quote I posted above?  I hope I’m not hassling you.

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"...  I know i will be there when they come down, and i will play a role as faciliator and diplomat between some of thse beings and us.  This will because i will be in a leadership position at this point..." Justin All that you told us makes sense and I really like reading about your experiences. But some times it sounds too proud like if you were kind of a superior being. I’m saying that because I learnt that the superior souls tend to be people who express humility they are not too proud. So can you help to understand you better related to the quote I posted above?  I hope I’m not hassling you.

Nope friend, no offense taken...  I see what you are saying.   There is a thing i've learned called "false humility" and i do not believe that we are meant to hide our Light.  My Light is no greater or less than yours or anyone.

If people choose to look at it that way, thats fine, but we are ALL amazingly beautiful, powerful, Light filled Beings meant to be Co-Creators with God Allmighty.

 Some, just don't know their Light as much.  Is it pride and arrogance to say that i've come to help to help be a wayshower?  Perhaps, and i use to think of it that way, but then i realized that as long as i don't think of myself as "special", then there is no problem with simply honesty.

 Did any of the spiritual Teachers that came to Earth hide their Light?  No, they were very honest and i'm sure that many thought some of them were full of themselves...  People certainly disliked and thought that of Yeshua when he was around, did they not?

 I'm not fit to tie Yeshua's sandal straps, i come to prepare the way for his return, as many of you have, but i am no lesser than my Elder brother...  He is just farther along the path in Knowing his True Self...

 Is it pride, ego, and arrogance for Bruce to have stated that he is part of Bob Monroes Disk?  Or that he came as a facilator too?   Bruce strikes me as a very down to earth, loving person who has learned a lot...  I think he was simply being honest, and sharing because there was a more universal lesson involved.

 I appreciate your feedback, but honestly i'm not overly concerned with what others think of me, nor should i be.  It is the false self that needs this, and approval, i don't need this so much anymore.  I will not, nor cannot hide my Light, though oft times i do tone it down a bit, if i feel it will help others.

 Could you perhaps be projecting?  We must always look to self first before we say this or that to others....  It is good to judge concepts, but not good to judge people.  When addressing others, i try to stick to the concept and beliefs...  For example, recently i got a strong perception of someone, that they were suffering because they weren't taking responsibility for the reality they were creating and attracting for themselves..   I percieved this person to be very proud, stubborn, and a bit manipulative.  So when i told this person my perception about how they were creating their reality, i did it respectfully but impersonally and firm.

 Yet, even while telling her this and seeing right through false self, i was seeing double vision, and also seeing her as her True Self--a beautiful and perfect child of God--my only motivation was to help her false self see why it was suffering, and i was addressing a Universal truth, i know from personal experience to be true.  We often immensely dislike the teachers that come along in our life, whether they be individuals or life circumstances--buts it only our egos which react to them, and because it is our ego/false self--we react with fear, dislike, bitterness, and often even hate....

 And more Light one has made themselves a channel for, the more polarized and extreme the ego reactions which are drawn from those who choose to function from their false selves.  This was seen very powerfully in the life of Yeshua...His Light was so great and powerful, it polarized the entire Fear thoughtform vibrations of the Earth, and boy how so many hated him and despised him for his Light?

 Though sometimes i say "I" oft, for me, "I" is often thought of in the collective sense.  Have known since little that we are all One and this has only grown stronger.  I will continue to be misunderstood, but i will not go out of my way to be understood, accepted, or to appear "more human".  Frankly, i want to get past the human part and remember what i am truly--A Co-Creative Perfect Being of Light with God.  Yes, i still have ego and i still occasionally function from my false self, but i'm self-honest to the point where i know immediately when i come from my True Self, or my false little separated self..

With Love and Appreciation

Also my friend, I always keep in mind Yeshua's frequent statement of himself and what he could do in the Earth plane "It is not me that accomplishes these miracles, it is the Father that worketh in and through me."  Or, "Not of myself do i do these things, but of the Father"

 I very much feel the same way, and i only look at myself as a conduit, or channel though not in the mediumistic way.  I am simply making myself a fit channel for the Creative Forces.

 We, as a drop of water out of the Ocean, have no power to speak of....  But when we become aware of our true heritage, and when we join the rest of the Ocean--All Power and Knowledge is restored unto us.

wow! So tank God that you are among us. I would appreciate all that you could teach me.

Thanks in advance anyway.

Hi Kardec,

I do appreciate the sentiment, but i've found that "life" is usually our best teacher...and suffering...at some point on some deep level we just become sick of suffering, and so we seek to change the condition.  The last Buddha outlined these principles really well and i recommend his teachings on this very much.

 Yes, individual teachers can be a help, but more than that we need to rely on our own connection to Total/Higher Self.  The best teachers are those that teach by example primarily, and not so much by telling you stuff--though this plays a part at times.  Part of the reason why an indvidual teacher can be extremely helpful is that, if they know themselves very well they are more effective...  Because when you know yourself very well and can see through your own b.s./crap, and love yourself, and are more a channel for the True Self--then you can see almost automatically and deeply through anothers bs/crap and self-dishonesty.... and in the right moments, you can point out to them, "brother/sister, you are hurting yourself, there is a different way."   Sometimes its best not to tell them this, especially if their connection to the Real Self is fragile and inconsistent or the personality is a weaker (self percieved) and wishy washy, sometimes its best to be quiet and just send love, or to try and concentrate on something you percieve of them to be coming more from the True Self and support and build this aspect...  Yet, it never does much good to support their false self, and unhealthy habits.  For example, you don't tell an alcoholic, "yeah hey its fine to drink and not take responsibilty for your own suffering--its not you, its others and life that makes you unhappy, etc., etc."

 Thats one of the main problems with people and spiritual growth...  Much expanded growth requires great and ruthless self honesty...  In turn ruthless self honesty is very painful to the ego, and even many a spiritual person could be more self honest with themselves.  Cayce's Source use to say, "Try to stand outside of self and watch self pass by." and at other times he remarked that so few seem to do this, or are willing....   If this was the case, we would have many more actualized spiritual masters than we do.   We have come to idealize and subtly but powerfully protect our illusions, and for a lot of people it takse a "shocker" or extreme condition to help wake them up (like Dannion Brinkley and being struck by lightening and a NDE)--Hence the physical changes that will happen--individual self dishonesty is a microcosm of the greater microcosm of the collective and the changes and why they need to happen lol and many even try to convince themselves that this doesn't need to happen!   As long as we are the way we are, it does.

 Through certain life circumstances that i prechose, i have had to be very self honest with myself--almost forcing me to bend, or to break--i chose to bend, and i have known the very dark pit and depths...  I use to be a very extreme person and not very healthy or self loving.

 Besides,  i do not feel ready to teach in that manner and it is not time.  When i'm older and more mature, greater will be the material demonstrations and manifestations that come from a more consistent and stronger attunement to the Creative Forces.

 Best advice i can give from experience is to just take it day by day, keep a vigilant watch on our unreal/illusionary/ego nature, yet at the same time being more accepting of self and our mistakes...  Self condemnation is just as unhealthy as condemning others, and it often leads to condemning others.

 I'm going to start a thread on the Off topic heading, about teachers both life and individuals, and how love is not always being obviously nice on the surface...  For example, is it loving to give a piece of candy to a diabetic child when you know it may be potentially very harmful, even though he really, really wants a piece?  You know better than the child, and so you won't indulge him or her, yet the child seeing your refusal may not like you and may pull a temper tantrum because they are not getting their way.....  Other times, you just have to let the child learn for themselves, and let them burn their hand on the stove, though you don't want to see them get hurt--but you know that self experienced suffering lessons are often the most effective and long lasting ones....

 Life, people and their egos are much like that, and i really, really very strongly feel this is something that could stand to be clarified to the nth degree, and in as logical and clear way as possible.

With Love