i admit, i am drunk right now, despite the good typing  :) but i'm wondering if alcohol could enhance spiritual contact, or if it just enhances the imagination. i've been drinking in certain places before and had weird feelings, especially in old pubs, i always end up imaging the people that used to live there and then get those weird feelings as described in the 'surreal' thread.

anyway, despite this alcohol fuelled thread, i sincerely love you all. i get such a good vibe from this forum, everyone just wants to love, its so simplistic, yet everything i want. please keep on loving guys,it makes it a pleasure to exist amongst you  :)

love

chris x

I love u too Chris ever since I met you in an obe. not going to lecture you young man, but my husband died of alcohol, so do be gentle with your vehicle, ok? it's really hard on the wife when she loses her husband to drink.....besides I want you to come here sometimes...for many years if possible... :D

I get some of my best ideas after about 3
beers... but I lose most of them when I sober
up.
And when I keep drinking after 3 beers, I just
get stupid.
(But listening to music becomes truly transcendent
for me, especially if I get pig-drunk! Weird, huh?)
So I guess you could observe the "getting drunk"
process and find your "optimal dosage" for whatever
purpose you have in mind?
Now me, I don't have the discipline to drink that
way, but who knows?

B-man

I think the only thing that changes when we ingest any substance is, our mind slows down,and from this slowing down the higher forces can come in and give us  new information.

Meditation has the same effect, the one difference being the ability to recall the information given.

love to all

Get drunk to commune with my guides...now that is about the best excuse to drink I've heard! Not that I hardly ever drink anymore, but....

Five shots of Tarantula Tequila coming right up... ;D (with mixer, tastes like blue Kool-Aid). That stuff is evil!

Ladies: don't trust any man who offers it to you!

Have about five pints of beer, lay down in a pitch-black room, wear some ear-phones and listen to Enya.

I feel dis-orientated just thinking about it.

Hey, I like her!

I think alcohol tends to lead one to focus 22, fuzzy confusing areas, and that the clarity of certain intent sparked higher experiences is unlikely to occur there.

That being said, it still is fun once in a while.

M

Hey,

Well once ive been out drunk loads, been clubbin and somehow got home i just hit the pillow and i'm out lol, soem times anyway.

I have never really thought about seeing what can happen with like a few beers but remember once i had a few to drink at my house and everyone went home and i layed on my bed and i felt like i wanted to take off, like when you have that really exhausted feeling, but thats about it for me i usually sleep! lol

Ryan

wrote on Sep 30^th, 2005 at 8:16pm:

I love u too Chris ever since I met you in an obe. not going to lecture you young man, but my husband died of alcohol, so do be gentle with your vehicle, ok? it's really hard on the wife when she loses her husband to drink.....besides I want you to come here sometimes...for many years if possible... :D

oh i'm sorry to hear that, i will be careful! interesting you should say this though, i'm constantly commented about my drinking, the thing is i dont think its that much but it must seem so to others, its usually nagging from the mother . i think its because i get very quiet and spacey rather than loud, always have, a lot of people think i'm sober when its usually not the case, and therefore assume that i can take a lot of drink, which implies alcoholism? i don't know, i'm making my own theories here
:)  

you met me in an obe? may i ask what happened? i'm completely new to it, does this mean that you saw my higher self? or did i come out of my body too?

love chris

How much do you drink a day, Chris? We can compare...  :P

well, i'm trying to cut down, apart from last night i havent drank for a week, but usually, i'd say about 2-3 bottles of beer a day, but i never drink everyday sometimes i just dont want to. i blame my time at university  :)

your turn  ;D

Personally..I believe that alcohol, much like drugs will stifle rather than enhance the reality that is there.

Having been deeply entrenched in both..I am speaking from personal experience.  A clear mind seems to be more conducive to "seeing" than one perhaps clouded by depressants..

This thread is deeply disappointing to me.  :'(  A person needs a clear, quiet mind for doing any type of meditating, whether it's to contact guidance or to do any afterlife retrievals/contacts/explorations. Those souls in the afterlife who are addicted to alcohol hang out in bars or wherever you drink to try to get that drunken feeling again. They even attach themselves to those who drink.  :o

If you have a problem with drinking, then seek help.

Mairlyn

I'm sorry, I may have gotten you mixed up with another Chris who comes to this board occassionally..that's the risk of being on this board so long..last names don't register. I assume you are not the Chris who had his own website called "The Lighter Side" which has been put to rest?
sorry also I jump to conclusions, a couple of beers will not kill anyone, even daily; I might get worried if it was a couple of 6 packs at one sitting; makes the stomach distend rapidly in that case! but it's your belly, not mine if so ;D  it's when a person has a hard drink for breakfast, lunch and dinner that only took a year or two to decay the liver and pancreas enough to create a coma and subsequent death. too bad he left me this way, knowing I could do nothing, not even my love would make him stay...so he came back later and healed my grief, told me he suffered not, all my suffering was for myself.  still, it was hard to watch someone as intelligent and gentle as himself slipping away from me. I truly wanted to sit on a porch somewhere with him in old age and gaze at the sunset in comfortable repose..well, maybe some other time?
I know he's still alive, seen him enough and interacted with him enough to cause all the pain to go away. he'll aways be my sweetie that didn't listen to me. besides, I had 11 years around him; was worth it to meet a person had absolutely no animosity for another living creature whatsoever. How is this possible?  since I couldn't nag this person, I thought I'd come here and offer up my nagging on this board.. ;D  yet I know he was choosing his exit point this way..he as much as told me that. perhaps the point is, you never miss your water until the darn well dries up.... :-*
love, alysia

Hi folks,

I enjoy a little wine most evenings.  I don't use it while doing meditation.  I would just fall asleep anyway.  Having said that, however, I have meditated while in all kinds of varying mental states, half-asleep, etc.  Of course, my definition of meditation is quite wide.  For me it is an expansion of consciousness, however achieved.  The result should be positive when done correctly.

I did stop all alcohol use, etc. completely for a period of 10 years after my early 20s.  My 20s were an unstable time for me and encouraged destructive habits.  That 10 year period brought positive changes for me but also gave me a little puritanical edge.

Each to his own.  If it is a problem then you will know it.  There is always someone there to help us when we are ready.

love, blink

Yah... I'll never drink during the day because it will only lead to further problems.

I will admit to having four pints of beer (and only beer - not a spirit drinker) every day in the evening. I'm pretty strict with myself and will never have more than four.

I don't smoke and I have never done drugs. I also drink plenty of water and eat sensibly in-order to balance out the four pints.

I don't need to drink. I'm not an alcoholic. But  having a few pints of beer in the evening is almost like a therapeutic hobby that I enjoy and look forward to.

A chance to escape from the C1 that everyone else seems to be entrenched in.  ;)

Marilyn, I completely agree with you. I am speaking on my own experience....for 4 years I was on an anti depressant (Paxil)....and this past spring, I finally was able to get off them completely. I had been on the maximum dose...in fact, the dose they had me up to had not even been proven safe yet for people. In those 4 years, I lost all ability to receive messages from the other side...lost all my dream contact and all pysic (how do you spell that, darn it???) Everything was gone. Just like that.
It has only started to come back to me in the past few months...and I don't know yet if I will even get it all back to the extent that I once had, which was incredible before the med's.

Good for you. My grandson was on it for OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder) and stopped it by himself (he's 16 now) and is doing better than ever.  I'm sure your recall will eventually come back. I've been having trouble with recalling dreams too for the past several months. I sleep so deeply and know I'm doing a lot 'out there' but hardly ever remember what and that gets frustrating. So when I do remember a dream, I get excited. LOL

Love, Mairlyn ;-)

I find that alcohol limits my consciousness, and makes it unclear. Plus, if you look at how drunk people act, they hardly seem enlightened.

I guess it's a matter of what you're looking for. Cheap thrills, or growth.

I kinda disagree, don't get me wrong i'm not an alcoholic and ovously if ya get out your face then lol you are going to be very unclear and not remeber a thing!

But sometimes you can get some insights, well i have and even when i've sobered up i think about them and you know well i wouldn't think about somethings anyway not just yet so its not the worst thing ever...but yes i wouldn't use it to achieve anything spiritual myself....dunno if you even can?

Ryan

hi Ryan...well speaking as an old worn out hippy yes we used drugs to "expand our minds" back in the 60's, but mostly the effects of expanding the mind this way are temporary as the idea was to expand your mind and also be able to remember and benefit long term from that expansion..and if the high you got from the drugs was induced chemically, it didn't produce any true spiritual growth until you could produce naturally the state of mind that a drug afforded you.
always wanted to interview Timothy Leary though, the proponent of acid. I just wonder what he thinks about using it after all this time has gone by. whether he's happy. I don't think he still takes it? I don't even take aspirin anymore, so u can see where I'm coming from.
I just think it's backwards to use the body to induce a mental or emotional or spiritual state through a chemical, when meditation, prayer or connecting with higher self can produce the same thing permanently. just takes longer but the effects last longer! love, alysia

I read that Timothy Leary passed away, and took acid right before he did so. Gad zooks!



wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2005 at 10:21am:

hi Ryan...well speaking as an old worn out hippy yes we used drugs to "expand our minds" back in the 60's, but mostly the effects of expanding the mind this way are temporary as the idea was to expand your mind and also be able to remember and benefit long term from that expansion..and if the high you got from the drugs was induced chemically, it didn't produce any true spiritual growth until you could produce naturally the state of mind that a drug afforded you. always wanted to interview Timothy Leary though, the proponent of acid. I just wonder what he thinks about using it after all this time has gone by. whether he's happy. I don't think he still takes it? I don't even take aspirin anymore, so u can see where I'm coming from. I just think it's backwards to use the body to induce a mental or emotional or spiritual state through a chemical, when meditation, prayer or connecting with higher self can produce the same thing permanently. just takes longer but the effects last longer! love, alysia

that kinda sounds like an old wives tale..at least I hope so! ha ha! love, alysia

Yeah me too. I can't remember where I read it.


wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2005 at 11:09am:

that kinda sounds like an old wives tale..at least I hope so! ha ha! love, alysia

TIMOTHY LEARY  •  Psychologist / Writer / Outlaw

Timothy Leary was a psychologist whose research on the effects of mind-altering drugs in the early '60s led to fame as a symbol of the American counter culture movement by the end of the decade. At Harvard in 1960, Leary studied LSD's effect on volunteer grad students, and used it as psychotherapy for prison inmates. Although the grad students and prisoners liked it, university authorities didn't and Leary left Harvard in 1963. By the height of the hippie movement, he was in California telling young people to "Turn on. Tune in. Drop out." and advocating the use of LSD, which had become illegal. President Nixon called him the "most dangerous man in America," but Leary was a celebrity, hanging out with stars like Jimi Hendrix and John Lennon. Jailed in 1972 for marijuana possession, Leary escaped from jail and made it to Algiers, where he tried to get asylum from Eldridge Cleaver. Leary was eventually arrested in Afghanistan and brought back to serve time. He was released in 1976 and headed for Hollywood, and in the 1980s changed his focus from psychedelic drugs to technology. In the 1990s he was a champion of cyberculture as the future of mankind; when diagnosed with prostate cancer in 1995, Leary announced he would Webcast his final days. He died in his sleep in 1996 and his remains were launched into orbit in April of 1997, in a vial described as "the size of a lipstick holder," attached to a Spanish satellite scheduled to orbit until 2003.

By the way, I saw him speak at an anti-nuclear protest in Las Vegas in the early '90's.

Love, Mairlyn  ;D

what a guy  what a guy :D lord have mercy; orbiting the earth in a lip stick tube...who would have thought? ;D  hes still blowing our minds..even in death :-*