Got the news a half hour ago...
My cousin Pat just shot himself.
They took him off life support last night or
this morning which, I can find out later.)
He was 36 years old.
Can anybody help??? If you think you can,
let me know. I don't know if what some of
you claim to do (retrieval) is a bunch of New-Agey
garbage or not, but asking you folks seemed at
least something I coud do.
Any details you need, I'd prefer to provide in
a more private forum...
Also, I want a blow-by-blow accounting of this.
Please don't just say "Did it!" and go on your
merry way...
Thanks,

Chumley(Formerly B-man)

Would'nt put my faith in retrievals, to me they seem like a personal dream, that is controllable by the user, theres not enough evidence to point to them being a general experience, each person see's different things in them, and so i would not suggest there are reliable.

On the other hand, if you can find a medium who operates for free, or little money, id go see them, ask them for the name of the person "coming through", if it's not close then there probley fake.

Anyh0w, srry for your loss.

Would'nt put my faith in retrievals, to me they seem like a personal dream, that is controllable by the user, theres not enough evidence to point to them being a general experience, each person see's different things in them, and so i would not suggest there are reliable.

On the other hand, if you can find a medium who operates for free, or little money, id go see them, ask them for the name of the person "coming through", if it's not close then there probley fake.

Anyh0w, srry for your loss.
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F#CK YOU, SPITFIRE.
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P.S. Learn to spell, moron. (Probley?)

NOTE: Edited some text above, inappropriate
for purposes of the forum. Spitfire is one
clueless little boy, and he made me VERY
angry.

If your cousin is 36, im guessing your not a child, so stop acting like one?

[quote author=Spitfire link=board=afterlife_knowledge;num=1128012497;start=0#3 date=09/29/05 at 10:06:21]If your cousin is 36, im guessing your not a child, so stop acting like one?
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And why don't you just SHUT UP, FOOL, if you can't
do anything but MOCK at a serious post? All you do
is tell people here they are full of sh*t anyway.
Anyhow, I'm done talking with you.
Go to Hell.
TO EVERYONE ELSE... if you're gonna respond like
D*CKHEAD above, just forget I asked you for
anything. F*CK PEOPLE ANYWAY. Jesus, how I
HATE F*CKING PEOPLE!!!
I'll check back in here later... I've got to go over
to my folk's place and help them out.

Chumley

Chumley,

I’ve never had an OBE so I can’t help the way a retriever would do but When somebody has just reached afterlife they are deeply sensitive to the thoughts of people the were close to. Usually they almost can hear to those person thoughts. So try to send him thoughts of hope, forgiven and courage. I can guarantee you that even when we can’t see the help if we are kind of blind for a while it doesn’t mean that the help isn’t there. Believe that our thoughts can be like emocional healing drop for Him. I’m sure that other people here will help more than I.

Take care.

wrote on Sep 29^th, 2005 at 10:10am:

If your cousin is 36, im guessing your not a child, so stop acting like one? *********** And why don't you just shut up, if you can't do anything but mock at a serious post? All you do is tell people here they are full of sh*t anyway. Anyhow, I'm done talking with you. Go to Hell. Chumley

If you did'nt want a reply you should'nt post here.

Ive Never said anyones full of shit.

I dont believe in Hell.

I could easily lay into you right now, but it would not do you any good. Go see your parents if you want a shoulder to cry on. Otherwise dont bother speaking to me unless you, can talk in a reasonable manner.

[quote author=Spitfire link=board=afterlife_knowledge;num=1128012497;start=0#6 date=09/29/05 at 10:17:51]

If you did'nt want a reply you should'nt post here.

Ive Never said anyones full of shit.

I dont believe in Hell.

I could easily lay into you right now, but it would not do you any good. Go see your parents if you want a shoulder to cry on. Otherwise dont bother speaking to me unless you, can talk in a reasonable manner.
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You're a fool, son. 'Nuff said.
This forum SUCKS. So do the people
on it. Hasta la Vista.
This time for GOOD.
I'll check out a few more responses
from others here, and THEN I'm outta
here. I CAN'T BELIEVE the time I wasted
in this place.
P.S. Lay into me? With a bunch of mispelled
words and lousy grammar, I'll bet.
Isn't today a school day, son? If you
keep cutting remedial English, you'll
never learn to write.

Chumley

Chumley is upset.

He should try to make contact himself - even an attempt using Moen's methods would be an honest effort.     I saw nothing in Spitfire's initial response that would justify cursing.


I too am sorry to hear about this Chumley.  There are some on this board who have done a lot of retrievals.  From what I gather though, people close to the deceased are those most likely to make some real contact.


M

Spitfire

I think that this moment Chumley can’t understand your point. He has a problem so we can support Him or not but arguments at this moment are the worst thing we could do for Him. Don’t you agree?

Try to give Him support He hasn't a pain in His elbow He has lost somebody.

Good bye

People, everyone who loses somebody deserves attention and help and all that.

But this is Brendan, who loves to make a scene and stir things up, who loves attention any way he can get it.

Brendan, sit tight and be patient.  People here have offered support in what you have asked for.  

Don't push everyone away yet.  If you truly want help then be patient and there are folks here who will gladly help out or at least try.  

wrote on Sep 29^th, 2005 at 10:30am:

Spitfire I think that this moment Chumley can’t understand your point. He has a problem so we can support Him or not but arguments at this moment are the worst thing we could do for Him. Don’t you agree? Try to give Him support He hasn't a pain in His elbow He has lost somebody.

You cant help someone, who is'nt seeking it, as per usual they turn there problems onto you, and blame you for it.

i offer practical advice, and a bit of support, if he wants a parental figure, to give him hugs and kiss's then a forum aint gonna provide it.

Retrievels aren't done for the sake of prooving something to people. If your cousin needs a retrievel, my guess is that it will be taken care off. It doesn't necessarilly have to be done by somebody who visits this board.  If somebody wants to be a sceptic, that's his or her choice.

[quote author=Vicky link=board=afterlife_knowledge;num=1128012497;start=0#11 date=09/29/05 at 10:34:01]People, everyone who loses somebody deserves attention and help and all that.

But this is Brendan, who loves to make a scene and stir things up, who loves attention any way he can get it.

Brendan, sit tight and be patient.  People here have offered support in what you have asked for.  

Don't push everyone away yet.  If you truly want help then be patient and there are folks here who will gladly help out or at least try.  
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This is FOR REAL. I'm not looking for attention. In
fact, after I find out what I can from you people,
I'M off this forum for GOOD.
Convinced?

B-man

I agree that B-man isn’t an easy going guy.

But dispite who was the person asking for help I Must confess that I indeed have not notice any P U L  in everybody answers here in this forum.

Once I have read somebody saying the same and I though it was a missudertood.

Uah! It`s weird.

I believe you, I know it is for real.  I have no reason not to trust you.  

All I'm saying is you always lose your temper so darn fast.  Stay on topic of what you are seeking and you will get what you are looking for.  You aren't looking for a war right?  

You started this thread to get help, so wait for the help.  Your cousin might not even need retrieving.  

He might already be getting all the help he needs from all sorts of helpers over there.  

I do believe that someone can go check on him and maybe pick up some thoughts to relay to you, but still you will need to be patient.  

Are you using this as an opportunity for proof of the existence of the Afterlife?  That is good.  Opportunities arise all the time for us to take advantage of to learn from.  I don't have a problem with that.  

I would just appreciate your patience.  If someone bugs you then just ignore them, don't get so angry and hateful.

Chumley, you're angry and upset. There's no reason to take it out on innocent people here. I am very sorry for your loss. And you can contact himself, but only when you become calm. You have the same abilities as everyone else does. I realize that you are releasing big time and that is good. Get it all out of your system and then start talking to him. You will make contact if you really want to. It's up to you to finally prove it all to yourself. No one can do that for you. I send you healing energy, love and light to help you.

With Love, Mairlyn

Thanks Mairlyn, well said.  

B-man, try to use all that energy you have (whether it's anger, frustration, or whatever) and turn it into love for your cousin.  It's obvious you are struggling emotionally right now.  

So use that energy to contact him yourself.  He will receive your thoughts, emotion, and energy.  It will be good for you.  You will see the good that comes from it.  

Dear Brendan,

I'm very sorry for the loss you and your family must be feeling right now.  I sense that there is much confusion surrounding this.  When I read your post I saw a dark blond haired child perhaps around the age of 9 or 10.  I don't know if this means anything to you or not.

We are never left alone.  Your cousin is surrounded by those who love him very much.  We are always safe even though we sometimes think otherwise.

Much love to you and your family,
Kathy

now it's better. I could feel some PUL here ;)

Chumley - my deepest condolences.

I have no retrieval abilities, but I'm sure there are many people here who do.

Know that your cousin is not in any form of Hell - Hell doesn't exist. It's simply a word invented by certain religions used to instil fear in its subjects.

Your cousin is still very much alive... in-fact, even more alive than ever before!

However, like you have requested, it would be beneficial to make some form of legitimate contact with your cousin to ensure that he has passed to the next realm with little-to-no difficulties.

Take care,

- Luke

just a word that Mair is right, the deceased first need a week or so (I believe in most cases) to make their adjustments...then they start making their rounds to family members to tell them they are still alive (always exceptions to the rule can be) this is what happened in my family where I have witnessed  5 transitions, that in all cases those members wished to talk with the living, they do wish to break through and try, to the living, but strong emotions act as a cloud barriar for their efforts. they advance by love that is sent to them, they sometimes try to make it right again through talking to their family members if they can possibly get through the emotions. is important then to picture them well and in comfortable place by thinking of what they gave to you in their lives and being grateful for that, they recieve this energy to benefit their afterlife circumstances.

I am so sorry, Chumley.  A new thread has been started which is dedicated to you during this difficult time.

much love to you, blink

My feeling is that there are spirit guides already looking out for your cousin. They know what's best for him. If they need to enlist somebody's help, they'll do so. I don't believe that it's a matter of somebody from the physical trying to take control of things. The best thing you can do is send him some supportive love energy.

As I read this thread..first a sadness came over me. Then..the response from Spitfire provoked another emotion..anger.  
Adrenaline began pumping, and I'm having a hard time right now to find that "calm place" that I was at before I opened this.

Brendon..my thoughts are with you at this time.  I've only had one deliberate contact/retrieval.  That is, where I knew the person and found them.  I have been party to others..those I don't know.

I will reach out though.  To you..I send hugs.  And peace too.  I am glad you came back.  I am sorry for your loss.

wrote on Sep 29^th, 2005 at 3:03pm:

As I read this thread..first a sadness came over me. Then..the response from Spitfire provoked another emotion..anger.   Adrenaline began pumping, and I'm having a hard time right now to find that "calm place" that I was at before I opened this.

If you have a problem with what i said, please tell me, if not leave me out of your conversation.

wrote on Sep 29^th, 2005 at 4:18pm:

If you have a problem with what i said, please tell me, if not leave me out of your conversation.

Your coldness repels me.  

wrote on Sep 29^th, 2005 at 4:37pm:

Your coldness repels me.

I dont know why that made me laugh, but it did. and i do appreciate that, But you dont wrap a child in cotton wool, you force them to face reality, and hiding from it, will make things worse in the long run.

Are you the poster also known as "Q"?
Just curious.

Chumley

Spitfire,

I have spoken to you with great gentleness in your recent postings.  

With no unfriendliness I respectfully ask you to remove yourself from the negative energy which is attracting you here to this thread.

Please trust me on this.

respectfully, blink

Spitfire,

I have spoken to you with great gentleness in your recent postings.  

With no unfriendliness I respectfully ask you to remove yourself from the negative energy which is attracting you here to this thread.

Please trust me on this.

respectfully, blink
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Sounds like I'm a lot more important to Spitfire
than he is to me, Blink.
Funny, eh?

Got curious, so I backtracked a few pages to one
of my old posts.
Spitfire is "Q" all right... same command of the English language (non-existent, that is) and same
narcissistic little-boy-pulling-wings-off-flies attitude.
At least he isn't dirtying up the reputation of
the REAL "Q" on Star Trek anymore (my favorite character on the show..!)
Kids must be picking on him at school. Poor little
fellow. One thing's for sure... he'll be back again, again, and again (probably with a new handle.)
"I was a Highwayman" by Waylon Jennings comes
to mind...

B-man

All respect blink, but you should be asking chum, to take his split personality pills, instead of hounding me.

If you were so worried about your cousin, and if he ment that much to you, you would go to his funeral.
Your probley just lieing, anyone who lose's someone close to them, does'nt have the time and inclination to live on a forum, Aggrovating Other members.

If you dont want me to respond to anymore of your posts, i suggest you leave me out, when your scribbling your deluded writings.

And for this I thank you, my young friend.
It is said that a picture is worth a thousand words.
But I'd append a new axiom to this statement...
"A poem, is worth a MILLION words."
Who can deny this? A poem captures the yearnings
and expressions of humanity's collective soul, in such a way that even one afflicted with dyslexia (such as yourself) can appreciate... and its scope is INFINITY (the infinity of the human soul, that is... so to say that a poem is worth a million words, is something of an understatement, no?)
It is said, my young friend, that poetry soothes the soul, and sets the spirit flying free.
(Hey! Sounds like something familiar, doesn't it?)
Prose, by contrast, is so... LIMITED. I could say, for instance...
"Spitfire, your mother should have kept her thighs together."
But that's so OBTUSE! Where's the subtlety, the expression of the soul overcoming the mundane?
It could have been DIFFERENT had the East become dominant over the West in cultural matters instead of vice versa, Spitfire. The tail has been wagging the dog ever since the West overtook the Orient in terms of technology and weaponry.
It wasn't always this way.
Centuries ago, my young friend, the Japanese developed a form of poetry which condensed the entire enterprise of poetry, and the very soul of the poet, into three short verses... One of five syllables, the second of seven, and the third of five.
It is called haiku. (I'm sure you have heard of it in Remedial English at Numbnuts High sometime in the last four years, unless you were sleeping through class, like I did back in the day (Study Hall) when I was in high school. I'm assuming that with you being 18, and this being September, that you graduated last May. If you didn't and had to repeat the year, then I suggest you spend it learning proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling. You don't want to sound (to the mind of the reader) like the bronze medalist in the 50-yard stumble at the Special Olympics when you write... which you DO, my dear Spitfire, oh how you DO.)
But back to haiku.
Haiku, for the better part of the last thousand years, of Japanese history, has inspired mighty Samurai to heroically vanquish vast Mongol hordes... has inspired humble peasants to serve their Shogunate with the grim smile of of determined patriotic grit on their faces... and has inspired drunken Japanese businessmen to happily puke on their wing-tip shoes in back alleys behind brothels purveying illicit sensual delights. Sweet dreams (and triumphant reality) are indeed made of this...
Which is why I can think of nothing better, than to offer a haiku expressing my feelings concerning your presence in this august forum of ours.
Here it is...
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I stroll through the oaks
Did a fairy just flutter?
Squeaks of a titmouse...
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Have a nice day, titmouse.

B-man

First off,

Im not your friend, you are just an attention seaker, nor would i associate myself, with someone as weak as you. If your over the age of 14, i would be amazed, and if you really are older then 18, then i would say you are the one who is mentally impaired, because you have the maturity of a toddler.

Secondly, If ya want to insult me, dont make me read 500 words of carbage to get your point across.

And last of all, i thought you said you were leaving?, it's taking you a dam long time to do so. If ya need help send me a message, i know finding the chatroom was especially difficult for you to find, probley because the writing saying "Click HERE to enter the chatroom at the top of the page" was to small for you read, but dont worry i'll take it nice and slow for you.

Come on, throwing barbs at each other doesn't solve a thing. If we can't get along here, then how do we think that there will ever be world peace. Maybe you don't think there can be, but it all starts with each of us looking within and seeing that we are all ONE. When you try to tear someone down, you are only doing it to yourself.

In Spirit of ONE,
Mairlyn

You have both passed the point of diminishing returns with this argument. By separating yourselves from Love you have put yourselves in a hell of your own making. It's time for both of you to consider what you have learned from this and let it go.

Bob

Brenden, I am really sorry of your loss. And the content in this thread makes me feel awful...it shouldn't be this way. I know that I would be totally devastated if I had received this kind of feed back at a time in my life as this. I wasn't going to post here but go to the other thread...however, I haven't seen the other yet and don't know what is in it, therefore this might not be appropriate there.
I don't know if this is going to help you but I will try.....as a few others have said here already, you can reach your cousin all by yourself. As far as retreivals go, I don't know anything about them, but there are people who do them and successfully at that. Retreivals are 'real' and in vice versa as well.....my dog died a few years ago and came back to retreive me......isn't that just somethin'!
Just sit back, relax and focus on thoughts of your cousin and then just start talking as if he were right there in the physical form beside you. When you are talking, keep your inner ear open and listen to his replies. I guess it sounds weird, but you will hear him speaking with you but you have to open yourself up inside to hear him. And believe in his voice when you hear it...don't shrug it off as nothing. Another way you can communicate is thru your sleep....before going to sleep you can focus on him and you may very well have an opportunity to converse that way as well. We seem to be incredibly sensitive to the afterlife when we are asleep.
And you know what? He can contact you as well.....pay attention to anything that might seem strange like, a feeling you are being watched, or some else is in the room with you...that kind of stuff. At those times you can try communicating too.
I hope this helps....I don't always say the right things at times and end up making things worse....but I hope that this has given you some help.....at least to show you that your presence is a welcome and much loved part of this board. So don't take off. I like to read your posts as does everyone else here.
And for what it matters, I couldn't figure out the chatroom thing either....had nothing but grief over it.....AND for the life of me, I couldn't figure out how to get my pic on here and ended up getting Alysia and Shirley to do it for me. For the love of God.
:P

wrote on Sep 30^th, 2005 at 10:50am:

As far as retreivals go, I don't know anything about them, but there are people who do them and successfully at that. Retreivals are 'real' and in vice versa as well.....my dog died a few years ago and came back to retreive me......isn't that just somethin'!

Im not trying to be negative here....But if you know nothing about retreivals, how do you know people can complete them successfully?, From what i understand, a retrieval is somthing by which a soul (if they exist) gets stuck between layers, and needs assitance from someone on earth, or someone whos already gone over, to help them move beyond the earth plane?. I dont see how your dog would retrieve you, when your still alive, did you meen you could sense your dog's spirit or somthing?.

Spitefire.....what I mean when I say that I don't know anything about retrievals but there are people here who do them successfully means: I have never done a retrieval myself...never even tried to. But there are people here who have done them and do them well.
I believe in retrievals...believe that they work and are a viable aid in helping stuck souls. In fact, I myself may need one some day because I am so dazed and confused that I might not know what the heck I doing when I reach that day of cross over. So, retrievals better be real! Or I am in trouble.
As far as my dog goes, it is a long story....Ceasar was a shep/wolf cross... he was my best friend and I loved him dearly. He suffered brutally at the hands of my ex husband. Ceasar disappeared when I left the ex. I searched everywhere for months and months for him and never found him. For the next couple of years that followed I my heart was heavy with grief and guilt over what my dog had gone thru in his life.( By now, I knew that he was no longer alive )
One night I had a dream...I was sitting on the floor and the front door was open. Suddenly, Ceasar came running in, leaping and bounding like the overgrown puppy that he always was. Tail wagging and twirling behind him...tongue hanging out....all excited and so very happy to see me finally. And I was equally as happy to see him. He leaped up onto my shoulders with his front legs and paws and hugged me around my neck. He 'communicated' to me...telepathically, that he was A-OK and happy...and that he never once held me accountable for what my ex had done to him....he forgave me for the actions of the ex....and told me not to feel guilty and sad anymore. And then he turned and ran and leaped back out the door again...to go back to the business of chasing butterflies and cats.
He came back to retrieve my hurting soul...to get me unstuck from the misery that I was wallowing in. He wanted me to understand that all was ok and that he was happy and that I was to move on in life without the terrible things that I was feeling over what had happened to him in his life.
And from what I understand, it is not uncommon for pets to do  retrievals of this nature.
I hope this helps you understand what I was talking about.

Theres no evidence, that a retrieval, is no more then a vivid dream, if people could communicate, to each over vast distance's, im sure someone would have gone in for the 1 million dollar prize, which is available, to anyone who can prove these claims. I would ask you only believe in facts which you can verify yourself, people throughout history follow others who claim to belive things, it's how all the major religons of the world evolved, they are usually a way of controlling, what you do, and how you do them.

Not that i dont believe you had a dream about your dog, i still dont think it was really the soul/spirit of your dog, i believe a dream is just the sub-concious, going through past events in ours lives, and popping them up, so we feel we are re-living them, yet we are not really.

I don't follow any religion....just what is in my heart. So therefore, I am not following the rules and regulations set out by anyone as such.
I don't believe what you have said about dreams....or about my experience with my dog as just a peice of brain matter resurfacing........some things are just dreams, yes. But I have dreams that are beyond what a dream is..and I can tell the difference between them....because there is a very definite line of distinction.
However, you will learn some new beliefs of your own as you progress in your quest for spiritual knowledge.  
I have had incredible contact with loved ones thru sleep....and one such contact was with my mother who died when I was 8 years old. I had a very nice visit with her when I was 20 years old. A conversation content that was not conceivable in an 8 years old mind.

Spitfire,

We are all learning.  We are all in a process.  

This website graciously allows us to form connections with each other and discuss what we have learned and are in the process of learning.  No one here has to prove anything to anyone else.  

You seem to be interested in what this site has to offer but have some doubts.  Why not try it for yourself?  See for yourself if you can find some verification?  

The journey can be even more rewarding than the destination.  No religion is proclaimed on this website.  These experiences are available to anyone who wants them and is willing to try it with an open mind.

love, blink

I just wonder why, if such incredable things are possible, people have not claimed the 1 million dollar prize money?.

I want someone to prove to me, that what they say happens really does. I have read many books on astral projection/OBE etc, but they all have different experiences, there never seems to be 1 common thing connecting them together.

If someone who has never met each other, lived on earth, they could explain to me the colour and shape of grass. They could draw identical pictures. They can do this through common experience.

I just want some solid proof, that OBE'S are real. Somthing i can look at and say yes....it's true with out a shadow of a doubt, i could make a book and fill it with words which sound nice. But they could be a pack of lies.

Spitfire,

Love is an important subject at this forum. try to understand the importance of the acronym PUL.


So we are not being overhelmingly sweet. We are acting the way we beliefe is the better one. ;)

I don't know about the rest of the folks here, but since I have been on this site a 1 million dollar prize has never once crossed my mind.  

For me the one common thread is freedom, love, connection.  That's worth a lot more than money from my point of view.  

Like Kardec says, when we come here and we go out "there" and we find these kinds of things, nothing else seems to matter.  To tell you the truth, I'm having an increasingly hard time focusing on the material world at all.

love, blink

But surely, to prove to the entire world, that the afterlife exists, (which could create alot of PUL/peace), would be a worthwhile persuit?. 1 million dollars could, set up research into this subject, or just be donated to a charity.

I dont think PUL, exists in the material world, To me it's still hard to classify exactly what it is. Maybe you can get close to it, but in the end the body says do whats best for me. Not whats best for others.

I'm sorry, I feel like I'm talking a little too much here.  Oh, well.

I think when we (or I) focus on trying to prove things to other people it creates conflict.  Who will agree on the criteria?  

If we focus on love and connection, not only does it promote a healthy body and soul, but other good things come from it.  Why define it?  If you feel it you will know it.

love, blink :)

A simple test would prove beyond doubt, if OBE'S are real. Wether they connect to an afterlife im sure would be debated, until another test occured.

The simplier the test, the easier to prove to people something is there.

If i gave 1 person a word, and they could transmit that word to another during an OBE, under test conditions, then i think it would force people to believe there somthing in this.

Inventions must be shared to be used. Which is why people give others the oppturtunity to have there own OBE'S, so i would'nt see a problem with people showing others theres somthing to this.

i know i certainly would be very happy to see such a test Work.

Blink, I think your explanation is right on.  

Spitfire..prove it to yourself..or not.  Its YOUR choice, not our OBLIGATION to prove anything to you.

You can make all the statements you choose to about it not being true.  For you, perhaps, that is your Truth.  My Truth is not yours.  And..I myself will not be provoked to "prove" anything to you.

You see where as i am open to things, i can see you feel so secure in your belifs, that anyform questioning about them is not permitted.

If i could contact the dead/visit different realms, id do everything humanly possible to spread it to others, why? because without sharing infomation we cannot evolve.

If you CANT prove it to others, then it's quite likely you are simply having a vivid dream, because if it's NOT a common experience, then it's most likely explainable as somthing based upon personal oppions/experience.

Prove what you can do, if not i would not use them in a disscussion involved with other people, because you cannot make any facts that everyone will have in common/understand because the experience is personal.

Prove to who, Spitfire?  You?  We share here because we DO find commonality.  

We've had connections.  I've had connections with Alysia, Black Panther, Chris..even Robert Monroe on more than one occasion.  And others.  

Even you, Spitfire.  Last night.  What are your dreams telling you?

Quote:

You see where as i am open to things, i can see you feel so secure in your belifs, that anyform questioning about them is not permitted.

Secure??  Hardly.  I question everything myself.  

Funny thing about "beliefs" though..Beliefs are just that.  Not facts.  Just what I think about facts I do have.  And..surprise!  They are subject to change.

There is evidence for all kinds of things that people don't want to accept. It tends to come down to what they want to believe.

I know you're trying really hard with this, Spitfire.

Consider this.  If I were to take a word and transmit it to someone else and then we all said, wow, that is amazing.  Then, what would happen next?

Someone would say, that's just ESP.  What does it really prove about the afterlife anyway?  Someone would say it just the same way that you say that a retrieval is just a dream.  The tests have already been done, Spitfire.  

It's time for each of us to test ourselves.

love, blink :)

wrote on Sep 30^th, 2005 at 2:39pm:

Prove to who, Spitfire?  You?  We share here because we DO find commonality.   We've had connections.  I've had connections with Alysia, Black Panther, Chris..even Robert Monroe on more than one occasion.  And others.   Even you, Spitfire.  Last night.  What are your dreams telling you?

Ive remembered about 2 dreams, in my entire life. Every other night, i just hit the hay, and wake up, and remember nothing.

If someone did the test i mentioned, i would'nt have cared wether it was ESP, OBE'S, it would prove to ME without a shadow of a doubt, that theres somthing beyond the phyiscal.

Shirley, if you question everything, why not question wether your experiences are just the brain making up scenarios?.

Why not back up your belief with solid facts? Why not prove to others, the things you can do? help them to learn what you do?

Im sure you had some help, or did you one day just go OBE, then have the ability to do it at will?

I've only had a full on oobe a couple of times..never of my own doing.  

Lucid dreams, several times.  That is, I knew I was dreaming and was able to change and control it.  The first one was pretty boring..a work dream, lol.

The thing is, my "experiences" are my own.  I am not a teacher, but a student.  I cannot "teach you to do what I do", because I don't fully understand it.

I am seeking that understanding.

I had quite a period where I remembered no dreams.  Now, I usually remember upon waking, but if I don't focus and/or write them down, I will lose them.

I'm going to start a seperate thread to continue this topic..we've kind of hijacked Chumley's thread here.

Spitfire,

There are numerous books available which go into great detail with varying techniques on how to do all of the things you tell us that you are interested in. You can read first hand accounts in them.  

Instead of arguing with the people on this forum I recommend that you do some reading.  Try some methods out for yourself.  

Saying goodbye to this thread in peace, may the rest of you do so when you are ready,

much love, blink

Titmouse is angry.
Why, I wonder...
And note the miraculous improvement in his
writing. Did my remarks cause him to break out
the dictionary before he wrote again? If so, then I've done him a service.
What's your problem, son? If you don't allow for
the possibility of this stuff, why are you here
anyway?
Here's a place for you to hang out, which fits
your personality better:

http://www.rotten.com/

Believe me, there's nothing you have to say
that I, or anyone else here, hasn't heard
before. You have NOTHING to teach me or
anyone else here, boy. And deep down, you
know it... hence your hostility.
You're just looking for a fight. You are a zero
in RT life, so you think you can be something
special in cyberspace.
You want people to think you're cool. Typical teenage ambition... but you're
NOT. You have a long ways to go, and a great
deal to learn, first.
P.S. I don't consider you a friend either. I'd be
indifferent if you got cancer in both eyes, and had
to have them removed. Mocking somebody who
has been bereaved? That's low. At first I regretted
cursing at you, when this thread began. It WAS
unwarranted of me, Titmouse. I SHOULD have waited a while before answering you, till my blood stopped boiling (I had just received the news.)
If you were within a LIGHT YEAR of being a grown,
mature adult, you would have understood that. But no, you are a callow, inexperienced, spoiled little whelp.
*I even considered APOLOGIZING to you for it.* (Seriously!) But then, I noted some of your subsequent postings to OTHER people on this thread (such as Shirley.)
The true colors
you THEN proceeded to show makes me believe
I did the right thing after all.
Cheers,

B-man

Brenden, I am really sorry of your loss. And the content in this thread makes me feel awful...it shouldn't be this way. I know that I would be totally devastated if I had received this kind of feed back at a time in my life as this. I wasn't going to post here but go to the other thread...however, I haven't seen the other yet and don't know what is in it, therefore this might not be appropriate there.
I don't know if this is going to help you but I will try.....as a few others have said here already, you can reach your cousin all by yourself. As far as retreivals go, I don't know anything about them, but there are people who do them and successfully at that. Retreivals are 'real' and in vice versa as well.....my dog died a few years ago and came back to retreive me......isn't that just somethin'!
Just sit back, relax and focus on thoughts of your cousin and then just start talking as if he were right there in the physical form beside you. When you are talking, keep your inner ear open and listen to his replies. I guess it sounds weird, but you will hear him speaking with you but you have to open yourself up inside to hear him. And believe in his voice when you hear it...don't shrug it off as nothing. Another way you can communicate is thru your sleep....before going to sleep you can focus on him and you may very well have an opportunity to converse that way as well. We seem to be incredibly sensitive to the afterlife when we are asleep.
And you know what? He can contact you as well.....pay attention to anything that might seem strange like, a feeling you are being watched, or some else is in the room with you...that kind of stuff. At those times you can try communicating too.
I hope this helps....I don't always say the right things at times and end up making things worse....but I hope that this has given you some help.....at least to show you that your presence is a welcome and much loved part of this board. So don't take off. I like to read your posts as does everyone else here.
And for what it matters, I couldn't figure out the chatroom thing either....had nothing but grief over it.....AND for the life of me, I couldn't figure out how to get my pic on here and ended up getting Alysia and Shirley to do it for me. For the love of God.
******************
Hi, M.D.
As far as the feedback goes, I expected worse. It
DOES appear that many of you here are DEADLY SERIOUS about this stuff. Skeptical though I am, I felt that you good folks
might be able to facilitate some verification of the
afterlife, for the benefit of Pat's mother and grandmother (She's 79 and in poor health. She's
NOT dealing with this well.)
This ISN'T for, or about, me. Should you find verifiable information, let me tell you... it will ROCK MY WORLD.
I'll have to re-evaluate everything I've ever believed in. It WON'T be pleasant for me, lemme tell ya.
But, Truth is Truth. And if the afterlife IS Truth, and that knowledge confirms... that I helped Pat (who NEEDED/or NEEDS help)... or his family, then I'll have made a step toward justifying my existence in this world.
So people can say what they're gonna say. Titmouse has, admittedly, bolstered my long-standing nihilism (which has caused all of you here such pleasure since I first appeared in your
lives.)
But others of you have helped chip away at it some. I guess we never stop learning, do we?
Besides... given that vile feedback exists here on Earth, I'd better get used to dealing with it... I may be dealing with it for a VERY long time.
As Hermes Trismegistus postulated (according to legend, and as you know many legends are firmly rooted in fact...)
"As Above, So Below."
Many Thanks,

B-man

Hey!

I've got so much to say so I hope i cover it all!


wrote on Sep 30^th, 2005 at 11:48am:

I would ask you only believe in facts which you can verify yourself, people throughout history follow others who claim to belive things, it's how all the major religons of the world evolved, they are usually a way of controlling, what you do, and how you do them. Not that i dont believe you had a dream about your dog, i still dont think it was really the soul/spirit of your dog, i believe a dream is just the sub-concious, going through past events in ours lives, and popping them up, so we feel we are re-living them, yet we are not really.

I have to laugh at this Spitfire! I know where your coming from but you have a very bias view...You said to belive you have to have facts, well what are the facts you believe that the non-physical world doesn't exist (OK i know that isn't your view but it works back to that). if i'm correct there have been a few breakthrews recently....

You also seem to say that it wasn't Vicky's dog/spirit...but once again no facts and fair enough Vicky can't say anything to you to prove it nor need she but your've got to look from the other viewpoint to challenge your own beliefs as well because this is what i see as holding you back, you want to believe but aren't trying yourself and expect others to prove to you but any proof we show you will always cause doubts in your mind because you didn't experience it youself. See where I'm getting at?

You also said if you can't prove it your most likely having a vivid dream. But how do you prove you have had an OBE?? If you could explain how i would go about it then its maybe possible. When you experience this for yourself you will know. Its like when you go in a car, you can't prove to us you went in it at that particular time but you did and you know you did, thats how it is for us except that car is our astral selfs. Explore instead of going on about people proving it for you!! You will learn so much and its fun as well!

And also whether intentional or not there is hostility coming from you, I'm not sure whether you relise you are doing this or not?? Try to ask more questions rather than saying what over people are experiencing is not true/wrong etc and then we can all get along and you will find better help and people to work with.

Ryan

true Ryan...I found the beginning of wisdom is not to make an opinion, nor a statement...but rather to ask a question...and better than that, to ask a legitimate question...that is even harder to do. love, alysia

I hereby declare my unilateral withdrawal
(as far as the public forum goes) from the
flame war which has developed between
Spitfire and myself.
I pledge to refrain from responding to any more
of his comments in the public forum.
Spitfire... if you are reading this and still feel
that you have things to say that I need to hear,
you are invited to leave a private message for
me. We can continue this OUT of earshot of the
good people here if you insist on pursuing this
feud. (Of course, I might be open to a rational,
civilized discussion as well... but that's entirely
up to you. Ya dig?)
It has occurred to me that he and I are wasting
Mr. Moen's limited bandwidth with this tomfoolery.
(Remember the circus we had with J.D. Howes?)
So, I guess I've said about as much as I have to
say on this.
Later,

B-man

Good for you Brendan. ;-)

With Love, Mairlyn ;-)

wrote on Sep 30^th, 2005 at 8:24pm:

true Ryan...I found the beginning of wisdom is not to make an opinion, nor a statement...but rather to ask a question...and better than that, to ask a legitimate question...that is even harder to do. love, alysia

It worked for me. Got me thru three belief systems and to one of R. Monroe's books. There the fundamental questions finally ended and exploration began. It's when someone stops questioning that they become stuck.

Bob