I'm back (B-man before, Chumley now.) I wasn't
going to come back, but I've found something
I think should be more widely known.
The implications of this are HUGE.
And, you all did your best to help me, so it would
be wrong to keep this from you (with the possible
exception of "Q", that is?)
Reading this made my blood run cold, and I've
only been able to sleep fitfully for the last three
nights. I'm feeling sick all over even as
I write this.
I must say to you all, that it was with great
reservation that I decided to show you this
website. BE WARNED...
As Zaius said to Taylor in "Planet of the Apes"...
"DON'T LOOK FOR IT, TAYLOR! You may not like
what you find..."
But Chumley entered the "Forbidden Zone." And what DID he find out there?
"His Destiny."
And now for the last three days, Chumley's been metaphorically beating his fists in the sand, gazing
at the ruined, corroded "Statue of Liberty" of his hopes and dreams.
REPEAT, REPEAT, REPEAT... FOR GOD'S SAKE, PLEASE, PLEASE don't visit this site unless you're
ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN of your mental stability and equilibrium, and are prepared to seriously reconsider your hopes and dreams. This IS THE
TRUTH about what happens when we die... I
very strongly suspect that. It answers EVERY
question I've ever had about the subject, elegantly and succinctly.
And NO, it is not atheism, mechanistic materialism,
or you're "just dead." No, it is far, far, far WORSE than that.
I might just be insane. Allow yourselves to entertain
that possibility, and take what you're about to read
with a grain of salt... hell, a whole bag of it (if you can.)
If you see problems with it, point them out... I beg of you. I couldn't... it is scientifically and logically
sound, so far as I can see.
If this theory is true, there are little kids in Hell (if their only memories are of fear and abuse during
their short lives)... and they'll be there forever, no second chances.
Political prisoners, torture victims, traumatized war vets... they're going to Hell.
The six million Jews murdered by Hitler? HELL, one and all.
If you're not a happy-slappy, super-content boob... YOU'RE going to Hell.
Unhappy? Anxious? Depressed? You're going to Hell.
I'm probably going to Hell, just for posting this.
And what's in Hell? YOUR WORST MEMORIES, OVER AND OVER AGAIN, GETTING MORE INTENSE EVERY TIME... AND AFTER A QUADRILLION GOOGOLPLEXES OF YEARS, AND PROPORTIONALLY GREATER SUFFERING, YOU HAVEN'T EVEN BEGUN TO SUFFER YET...
ONCE again... STAY AWAY from this website, AND this thread, if you aren't "Stable Abel". Just laugh at ol' Chumley/B-man, and call him an idiot. It'll be better for you.
Still determined to look?
Here it is...

http://www.divisiontheory.com/

And God forgive me for whatever happens to
you who read it. But, it's on the Web, and I'm sure
you'd have found it eventually... so I guess that's all there is I can say.

Ignorance is bliss - which is why I will not read the OP's link.

Each to there own, believe what ever you want to.its rubbish as far as I'm concerned anything that just enhances that which we have plenty of anyway is UN needed.Why read something that produces more fear for you,I give it a big miss and you should to, less you want to be meeting it in the astral.

LOVE TO ALL

In any case, it appears to be a theory.

I have a theory that when the coast is clear, elephants discuss politics over brandy and cigars, but that doesn't make it true.  ;)

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In any case, it appears to be a theory. I have a theory that when the coast is clear, elephants discuss politics over brandy and cigars, but that doesn't make it true.

ROFLMAO

wrote on Sep 27^th, 2005 at 2:41am:

In any case, it appears to be a theory. I have a theory that when the coast is clear, elephants discuss politics over brandy and cigars, but that doesn't make it true.  ;)

____

I was thinking more or less the same thing, only I was thinking about when pigs fly....

Ha, ha, ha, ha! ;D


wrote on Sep 27^th, 2005 at 11:10am:

____ I was thinking more or less the same thing, only I was thinking about when pigs fly....

Chumley, our long lost pal,

Thanks for this link...

they almost had me at "Dr. Laura"...

but then I just willed myself to pull it all back together!

love, blink :)

Chumley,

I'm fascinated by the division theory.
I don't think it's quite right, but the idea
that I hold is that we are made up of
many energy bodies. When we die,
each energy body takes on a life of its
own without the focus of the human
body. The astral lives on in its heaven
or hell until it is eventually retrieved?.
 And the soul body reunites with its
soul group.

According to Novak, OBE'ers should
have no trouble "reuniting" their aspects.
In my opinion this is because they know how
to operate their astral bodies and can move in and out of heaven/hells at will. When
it's time, they like everyone else sheds this energy merge back with their higher self, Disk, soul, (ok so I don't have all the details yet) :)

It's an illusion that any aspect of the self is trapped. Either it will someday be retrieved by it's higher self or discarded. In the mean time, it can do as it pleases, this is because each fragment has free will.

-mike

If the real "you" is the SPIRIT, then perhaps (through mental discipline, and a PLAN) you might be able to chuck all your worst memories... keeping the ones you like... into "hell" (in this case, a pit for "soul trash" which isn't sentient at all, and just keeps replaying itself) and then reincarnate, "move on" if you prefer to do that, or whatever?
Does our "continuity" go with the concious spirit, or unconcious soul? Novak's interpretation seems to be that it goes with the soul (gleaned from accounts of NDE's... in all of them, as one "entered the light", they reported a loss of the ability to reason.)
Could a person conciously "dump the soul"... which then becomes just so much non-sentient, albeit harmless, trash... and then go on with their SPIRIT to reincarnate (beats the crap out of hell, even if you lose all your memories! Doing this, though, might take some heavy-duty mental training.)
This might be a worthy subject for you astral travellers among this group to explore. If you know
anything about it, or find it... let people know about it!

Chumley

We learn to reason and learn a spoken language here, on earth in C1.  It would not surprise me that people get a sense of loss of reason in heaven for multiple causes:

Monroe reports being able to send "thought balls" which would be equivalent to knowing multiple facts and feelings all at the same time.  The NDE also are out of normal linear time - this must be very disorienting for someone who just crossed over.  Finally, I have heard it said that communication is not by spoken language.

Put all that together, and those experiencing a NDE may truly feel they have lost their ability to reason as they adjust to all that.

Truly, Chumley, we do discard many things.  Our physical bodies crumble to dust - I wouldn't mind discarding parts of me in order to understand more and be part of a greater whole.

It will be ok.

Matthew

I think Gordon Phinn's second book is going
to explain some of this and more - in his
perspective.

According to Novak, the subconscious is
connected with the soul, the conscious with
the spirit. So in that case, we should wake
up in the spirit. Still, Chumley, your question
is very good. I can't answer it.

When we do retrieving we are helping
the soul fragment energies to reunite
with their eternal spirit. Some of these energies
can be stuck for 100's of years, yet the
spirit will have gone onto reincarnate
again and again. Remember, how Bruce
retrieves part of himself from a long ago
previous life?

Also, if you've read Michael Newton's
books, he talks about how souls
return home to merge with the energy
they left There. If this is true, then
soul re-unification may be more common
than Novak believes. But there is one
interesting point, why does Newton never
talk about belief system territories, heaven,
hells, etc? I sure see them all the time. Novak
may be onto something that Newton totally
missed. How could Newton have missed this?  
Well, if the hypnotic subject who is being
regressed is talking from the perspective of the
spirit and not the soul (which for me, soul =
astral body)
I have tried to do past-life regression, and
noticed the sensations to be unlike AP and
more like merging with my Higher Self (=spirit)

Just more food for thought.

-mike

wrote on Sep 27^th, 2005 at 6:55pm:

Also, if you've read Michael Newton's books, he talks about how souls return home to merge with the energy they left There. If this is true, then soul re-unification may be more common than Novak believes. But there is one interesting point, why does Newton never talk about belief system territories, heaven, hells, etc? I sure see them all the time. Novak may be onto something that Newton totally missed. How could Newton have missed this?   Well, if the hypnotic subject who is being regressed is talking from the perspective of the spirit and not the soul (which for me, soul = astral body) I have tried to do past-life regression, and noticed the sensations to be unlike AP and more like merging with my Higher Self (=spirit) Just more food for thought. -mike

Yes Mike, I think you're on to something here in that Newton's subjects were perhaps in a state of the "superconscious" and viewing "past lives" from this perspective.  

Sometimes when I go into deep meditation I will experience this change of perspective, too.  This happened just yesterday where for a few moments I had an increased view type of experience from the perspective of higher self.  

These experiences always seem to be bright and colorful as though I were standing in bright sunshine and there's a rote of knowledge that I seem to experience.  Plus there is a clearness that feels so good that it's hard to describe.  The experience is quite different from AP.

btw... it's great to see you posting again!
 

Nice to see you back, Chumley. Hope you stick around awhile! ;D

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When subjects are regressed in their memories to a point in time in-between lives, they report an afterlife scenario dramatically unlike that reported by NDE subjects. In-between lives, they report possessing no memories or emotions, just calmly floating in a tranquil nothingness. They don't recall their own names, or having ever lived any previous lives, or having ever been anywhere else besides that nothingness they are experiencing at that very moment.

This doesn't line up with other research..as has been mentioned, Newton's regressions.