Why do We fear death?

It's the only certainty in life we know is going to happen from the day we are born we are dying.

I don't fear death the pain

The thing I fear about death is the term

" nothing"

It's hard for us to understand

As for God and religon

I am a firm beliver that Religion was created and is a means to keep human society on the right track

but obviously it didn't work out look at the muslims!

As for God and the afterlife i'm not one to slate this but hey until somebody can actually prove this 100% you might aswell belive in Santa Claus

the bible is a book of facts could of been written by anyone where is the 100% evidence that this is even true?

there is none that is why religon is a fad

As for the soul once again we have no scientific evidence this exsists!

So why do people follow? because they are scared of the unknown they look to religon as a means for comfort hoping that the imaginary man above will save them!

As for Hell come on guys that was created aswell to scare society into thinking that when they create a sin they will be sent here!

but what it you went through life died and found out that it was the opposite way around and that you were rewarded for sinning? and God was really evil

hmmmm now wouldn't that just be funny

you cant slate the above comment because once again how do you know this? you can't prove it

Scientists should develop away of putting the body into a death trance so we can truly see what lurks the other side.

any thoughts?

I have no fear of death..I've seen the other side, yes it is possible.  No, I can't prove it to you..you have to prove it to you. ;)

The only way to know for sure is to experience it yourself which is so easy to do. Read this whole website, get Bruce's books. Happy discoveries. ;-)

Love, Mairlyn ;-)

Reading a book doesn't help you discover the true meaning of something!

It's coming from a persons perspective which truthfully is the own individuals visions of things

how can he 100%ly prove that the afterlife exsists?

and how can you reach it? i don't understand you need to elloborate

I didn't say he could prove it. Only you can prove it for yourself. But reading his books help IF you want to find out for yourself. To elaborate, Bruce's books and CD's teach you how to do it. No promises of proof, just your own explorations. Many of us here visit the afterlife quite often. You can too IF you are willing to put time into learning.  ::)

Blessings, Mairlyn ;-)

How do you know that is the afterlife?
It could be your brain just having delusions?

hehe sorry but i really am optimistic

Since you're not taking me seriously, then I can't give you any more help. No, you are pessimistic, not optimistic. If you were optimistic, you would at least work at it instead of trying to get others to prove the existance of the afterlife to you instead of doing it yourself.

Blessings, Mairlyn

Hi Ally_Uk,
>>>As for the soul once again we have no scientific evidence this exsists!<<<
There is no scientific evidence that YOU exists, too.

I've heard about some convincing Near Death Experiences, included experiences while zero-line EEG. Search, and you'll find.

There are many threads here on this site that are about the problem you told of. So, click around!

bye, spooky

The fear of death is an important topic.  I know this from personal experience.  My father exists right now in his 80s in a semi-vegatative state due to a progressive dementia.  He has no quality of life, unfortunately, he is bedridden, and despite our family providing round the clock care, he is not part of life - not even in significant conversations.  Seeing my son (his grandson), seems to hold some meaning for him as he drifts in and out of wakefulness.  I believe that he does not believe in the afterlife, and has always loved this existence, and is holding on, no matter what, as an alternative to nonexistence - a frightening alternative to any of us.  

If we fear death, and we live, just to cling to life, there is no enlightenment.  There is no meaning.  Actually, a related question comes to mind, morbid as it is.  And that is: what is a good death?

I believe that, from my experience and readings, a good death would be one that was not drawn out, somehow, not clouded by narcotics, where one can make the transition with one's soul "awake".  Unfortunately, medical conditions, accidents and tragedies are somewhat random, and we do not often have control of our ultimate fate.

I can only hope that if members on the board seek knowledge and enlightenment, we/they may have  a bit more control of the very end - but I do not know this for sure.

Matthew

Ally,

Perhaps, "proof" is the wrong word.  You would settle for "persuasive" evidence, would you not?  Isn't the real issue the quality of verification of afterlife evidence?  With that in mind, I have two suggestions: (1) that you read and engage my two most recent posts: "Swedenborg: Father of Astral Projection" and "OBE and Phasing Evidence for an Afterlife"(currently on p. 2 of this section);  (2) that you read David Fontana's book "Is There an Afferlife?  A Comprehensive Overview of the Evidence."  If you read this book, I would be delighted to  engage you in a dialogue about the issues it raises in a thread on this site.

Don    

Hey it's not death I am fearing it's the term nothingness

when the body is Starved of oxygen you will feel euphoria for a short while

( explains what people call near death experiences bright lights etc)

But obviously when the brain and nervous system fully shut we ceast to exsist

I think it will feel like exactly before your born! you have no recollection of anything no fear no memories no perception you wouldn't even realise you ceast to exsist as you have no recollection of yourself if that makes sense.

It's basic science no fairy tale stuff such as a soul is magically going to rise

the body will cease to function your brain containing the memories and the depths of your mind will be starved of oxygen making the body not function so why fear death?

you won't even know it's happening

as for the reading material sure i'll look into it if somebody can provide me some links

always keen to expand my knowledge on this subject

you cannot slate a individuals views we are all uniques not one person on this planet knows the truth it's a discovery we're all here to learn.

Hi Ally, you have arrived at an important stage in life - you see how bibles, hell and so on, were invented and used as control mechanisms.
Next step, I suggest, is 'who' invented these and 'why'.
Proof of anything is quite another kettle of sardines!
The folk who have 'been' to the next stage of Living, have had all the proof they might need - which, of course, is as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike, to those who haven't (yet) had such an experience.
Life is indestructable and you get exactly what you have earned - reaping as sown - which always applies, totally regardless of whatever you might choose to believe.
A great adventure in a wonderful Universe, packed with lessons and surprises.

ha ha! ;D  yes, right on, my "proof" can be like having an ashtray installed on a motorbike...!

to others...of course...a fine example of what I'm going thru also.

I always liked the things you had to say Hiorta. http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/bouncer.gif

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If we fear death, and we live, just to cling to life, there is no enlightenment.  There is no meaning.  Actually, a related question comes to mind, morbid as it is.  And that is: what is a good death?

You can't know this for sure. There is always enlightment going on in the many levels that we each live on. And the enlightment may be for those who are close to the person. There is a reason for everything. ::)

I would say that a 'good death' is one that is painless and happy and full of joy at going 'home.' ;-)

Love, Mairlyn

Hey Ally_UK,

I know exactly what you mean, i have them questions. And i truly understand how you believe  we may have these experiences while alive with our hearts ticking and brain functioning but when we are dead how can it happen??

All i can say is near death experiences, people have been "dead" for some as 10 minutes in extreme cases yet still come back with stories of being elsewhere.....yet they were dead, no oxygen after 10 minutes surly, brain dead etc, how can it be?? a question to ponder.

Also how do we know its the afterlife we are travelling too when we OBE?? well i don't know yet, haven't got proof for myself even though i have been out a few times now and know there is something there. I guess when we bring back something with no remote possibilty of knowing in the whole universe, and its proves true..then we will know, but only we can find out, we can't be told as you well know.

I don't believe in a God, heaven and hell, i believe people are more experienced and oviously can lead, like on this board but i can't say i believe in a god, a creator...even though where did everything come from? and where did the creator come from? could go on for ages! lol but maybe i don't belive in this side because of my disbelief int he bible...i believe it was written...maybe on true stories but as a set of rules for society, to install beliefs which arent nessecialry true...once again personal opinion.

Also to explore yourself, read this site and seach, read everything you can, thats how i started. This site is how i began, i owe it a lot lol! and the people here are great and have lots of experience and very friendly, always willing to help so if your serious i would suggest reading all you can and get involved on here. Its a new world and it won't happen overnight!

Another argument is ok science science science but they can't explain our subconciousness, our soul yet....where are they, how do they work, science can't explain everything yet, maybe its possible we have an afterlife but science can't explain yet, for surely if it can't prove it wrong it could at least track down out mind....something easier i guess....

Ryan

There are certain experiences that make the existence of an afterlife hard to doubt.

For instance, one evening, while I was a non-believer, I found myself in space (not physical  space), and I completely understood that there is a such thing as existence beyond the physical World, including the afterlife. I also understood how such a thing is possible. The experience was absolutely wonderful.

On another occasion I had an out of body experience. Before I left my body I experienced the vibrations and paralysis people often speak of. I also saw a spirit. I had this experience even though I had never heard of out of body experiences.

One night while I was walking around I clearly understood that the physical World isn't actually physical, that who I am has nothing to do with a body based individual, and that there is no such thing as a particular moment of time nor a particular location in space. I experienced each of these understandings at an intuitive level that is beyond the mind. There is no way that a biological mind could create such understandings simply by assembling a collection of thoughts. It would be like asking a computer to experience love.

I've had other experiences. The above are just the ones I had before I read a spiritual book, or saw a spiritual teacher (alright, I had read a little of the Bible.). There is no way that a biological mind would know how to create such experiences. They were definitely beyond what my mind knew.

Recoverer said: It would be like asking a computer to experience love.
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nicely phrased ;) I have to remember this. the brain is a storage compartment vehicle, the mind, with a small letter m, will reflect the brain's storage capacity to hold belief systems and information. the mind with a capital M,  is what holds my heart in place, safely, orderly and knows where I am at all times. I am connected now.

I wish to thank you for your posts. it is good to be here. just waving at you. http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/wave1.gif

Ally, perhaps you have discarded the 'religious nonsense' that you were subjected to as a child?

If so, and I'm one of them, the tendency is to 'throw the baby out with the bath water' and scrap all of it.

Consider that 'God', for want of a better term, could exist - but not as you were led to believe?
A very different beastie altogether - one the theologians daren't mention?

Much food for thought in all this, isn't there?

"a very different beastie altogether--one the theologians daren't mention."
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hiorta,

Theologians "dare" mention and assess far more conceptions of God than the simple-minded "I Am God" perspective that dominates much of New Age orthodoxy.  They are particularly interested in reconciling theology with modern scientific theories, especially the new physics.  Don't make irresponisible generalizations about subjects you know nothing about.  

Don

Actually, Berserk, God is a jester who has made you feel as if you really exist, while actually you're just a dream.

Maybe death is when we wake up?

d

which reminds me of something Dave ;D one day we were sitting around in my living room discussing ACIM, and that this entire world was an illusion. this guy turned to us with these huge huge eyes :o and said in all seriousness...if u are all illusions, is there any of us who is real in this room? ???  we all started checking to see which one of us was real. we never did find out.

sha boom sha boom ladda ladada sha boom sha boom, life is but a dream sweetheart..hello, hello again! sha boom sha boom

god shore do have one BIG sense of humor. listen to Dave Don, it just flat don't matter dude your authority trip! play nice.
Hiorta, I like you. don't take it personally what Don said. I hear you right. love, alysia

I think that most of us hear you right Hiorta.  ;D ;D ;D

Love, Mairlyn  ;D

sha boom !

Dear all,

I believe in death, Love made a world for us to only see what makes us happy and more loving.

If you feel happy denying death, that is what you will be given.
If you feel happy seeing everything, that is what you will be given.

Just a thought,

With love,

White Feather

I haven't read this entire thread yet....gotta get to work...but they have made those scientific reports on the 'weight' that is suddenly lost at the moment of death..........they say that is the soul......that should be viewed as a smiggin of proof, no??

I read once that the soul weighs 13 ounces. Don't know if that's true or not.  ???

Love, Mairlyn

Hi Ally -

You suggest that science should simuIate death to make people more confortable.  This can easily be done.

I do past life work, as well as generic hypnotherapy and psychoanalytic work. Aside from those of my patients who go into an afterlife spontaneously, about 10-15%,  I find that it is quite useful to send people into a death state so that they can see how familiar it is.  

If you have a hypnotist nearby, ask to be regressed to the last time you died. You'll find that dying isn't fatal.

dave

I can relate to Alysia’s ACIM experience. My husband still has no idea of what the illusion thing was all about but he chucked when I read her incident to him. Since then, I realize that it was referring, I think, a lot to how we perceive and in turn judge our surroundings and experiences in the now through the eyes of past (including far memories), mostly negative happenings.  Example might be, “I am afraid of dying by falling off a high place” actually I did die a few lives ago by being pushed or pushing someone off a tower and held that thought/feeling of fear/betrayal/hatred etc. as I fell on my head to the ground.  “I seem to have a lot of headaches now, I wonder why? Duhhh…”  Anyhow, IMO, the course suggests that you might want to check out that the fear of heights might be an illusion that you might want to let go of.

Ally,

Is the bottom line question about fear of the future after death experiencing nothingness? or about “Are we more that our bodies?” or even about who can tell me the right answer to what happens after we die when I know that only the physical exists.  Of course the only honest answer to this whole issue is that you have to figure it out for yourself but you have to assume responsibility for what you believe now before you can begin to explore alternatives.    

What is behind a question like, “I fear of the future after death and experiencing nothingness?”  Since it’s been done and found to be just another belief system, feel free to explore the infinite number of alternatives to experiencing nothingness after death like the one taught on this board or suggestions made by posters.

Love to all, Jean :-*

I have always been fearful of death,untill one morning in my waking state.I heard a voice saying,its just like going to sleep at night and waking up in the morning.George

exactly George. right on ;)you have a wonderful guide.  is reason I say enjoy each and every incredible moment here, for we will all go into that sleep and wake up in a different environment or dimension of reality, perhaps saying, wow, that was quick! how could I ever have complained that time was dragging by...? it only seemed so...love, alysia

Hio Marilyn-

The numbers come from an experiment in which 8 people were weighed as they died, and they lost an inexplicable 2.8 oz weight (my memory is a bit off, and I forget who did it and I might be off a tad on the precise weight).

The amount  of change is interesting. Let's assume I'm close. The fraction of a hydrogen atom that is due to electrons is roughly 1/1860 of the proton weight. A body is about 90% water, of which hydrogen is roughly 2/3 of the volume and 1/8 of the mass.  For a 200 lb person that gives 25 lb hydrogen and 175 lb oxygen (very roughly).

This is all helld together by ionic gels, the same ones as make mucous and slime. These gels are influcenced by what we do etc, as they also hold us in shape, operate our muscles, assure muscular tension is maintained, and generally circulate their influences dynamically so that we have a perpetual electrical field (actually ions) flowing through us. (For example, Ca++ ions carry axonal charges through the nervous system, and have 2e- compensatory electronic charges sucked out of their medium.)

Let's assume that they operate by shared-electron bonding (hydrogen bonding) with the water molecules. Then we have 1 extra electrons per hydrogen, and 2 extra electrons per oxygen. The electrons due to hydrogen would then weigh 1x25x(1/1860)x16 oz, or 0.2150 oz. And the electrons due to oxygen would weigh 2x175x(1/1860)x16 oz, or 3.01 oz. That gives 3.23 ounces of electrons involved in bonding in dynamic flux of ions and stuff like that. ("Stuff like that" is a technical term for things of which I know very little, and saves me from admitting that I'm becoming very speculative.)

Now let's sacrifice the test subject (that's what they call it when it's a rat or a dog, why should we people be different?) and we find that at the time of death, when ionic circulation ceases, we have a looss of roughly the same weight as the weight of electrons in circulation would suggest.

I find this Fascinating! Actually, I'd like DocM's input here to see if my crude figures might be improved.

Back to work -
dave

Interesting Dave. I don't remember where it was that I read about the weight of the soul but the weight always stayed with me. Maybe it was 13 gms but that still doesn't come out to 2.8 oz. Anyway, your explanations are really beyond me but interesting. ;-)

What about, or maybe this was taken into consideration, when a person dies, I know that they urinate and defecate (censors, do what you can with that). So are they weighed after that? Well, I guess I answered my own question as if they're dead, then those body fluids and solids are already gone. OK I suddenly feel like I'm digging myself in a hole.  ;D

Love, Mairlyn ;-)

I think the weight is actually 21 grams...it was in the movie "21 Grams" with Naiomi Watts and Benicio Del Toro and Sean Penn a couple of years ago, I'm pretty sure that the whole 21 grams thing was supposed to be the weight of the soul, what people inexplicably lose when they die.

All i can say is i can't wait to meet you all on the other side, after experiencing all i can here first!

That will definatly be weird...will we still be who we are here or suddenly be totally different people? I hope we aren't too different....

Ryan

Don't worry Ryan, we will all still be the same.  When we all join that big conversation board in the sky it will be just like it is now, except without power failures or board crashes.  Won't that be a relief?   ;)


I can't wait to meet everyone too, except I want to do more exploring in the here and now first too.  

And I'll be sooo glad to get rid of the language limitations :P. Rotes for me only from then on in. ;D

Love, Jean :-*

Hello everyone,
I have just joined this board though I've known about Bruce Moen for quite a while now.
I couldn't resist the temptation of posting my two cents (as Americans say)(I was born in Spain).
I turned 31 three days ago and all my life I wondered about God, about death, ... what if the afterlife was just something we believe in to avoid anxiety attacks when we reach a certain age?
I am a very spiritual person and I wish so hard for everything to be true but I can't help being plagued by doubt sometimes.
It doesn't help that I haven't had any experiences or that I always find explanations for the ones I do have.
For example, I was deep on meditation the other day when out of the blue I saw my father for a few seconds. My father died when I was 14 so I got quite emotional and I had to stop.
I was crying like an idiot but I kept talking inside my head saying things like  daddy, was that really you?, I miss you so much, I love you daddy?. Please don't leave me....
I heard five knocks on the ceiling and the monitor of my computer just blew off.
Now was that my father or is it all a product of my eager imagination?.
Was that my father or did my PC monitor just blew up for any other reason?.
I also heard a voice telling me how long I've got left to live if I don't take care of myself.
Was that brought on by my obssession with death or was someone really warning me?. And if they really were warning me, was there any need to give me an exact date of my death for me to go crazy sick with worry?.

Peace, love and Light

Sandra.

Sandra,

You probably got a date so you could grow past it in many ways. The intention behind getting that kind of info would be only to scare you no matter where it came from.

Anyhow, my dad died when I was 13 but came to me in a lucid dream to explain why. I felt thrilled that he was actully there sitting in a chair right across from.  That was a few years ago when I was in my mid fifties but the memory of that meeting is still fresh in my mind.  For me, I took about 40 years for him to visit but considering, I didn't expect to see him here at all-that's still pretty groovey. :o ;D

Hint: Just listen to the words that are loving and helpful-when you are given any negative unhelpful messeges-tell them to "go jump in the lake!!!"

So glad you stopped by. Love, Jean :-*

Hi Sandra -
My Dad died while I was in my office at Washington State University. I could see him, he seemed to be attached to a big root thing, and he told me a really bad joke, and then was gone.

I suggest that you take the experience on faith, and realize that the "spirit world" is not elsewhere, in some distant galaxy, but that it is here and now, and overlaps our own world.

In fact, everyone is always available to us, but not always in the form we would prefer. Aside from that, you could doubtless use trancework of some kind to contact your Dad any time you wanted.

As for the advice, I suggest that you weigh it carefully, and unless it involves making foolish changes, follow their suggestions. Often our loved ones can see things coming a lot better than we ourselves.

dave

it is a little difficult for spirits to be heard Sandra, especially since we have not developed the 6th sense as a whole, but during these times we have assistance to make contact with loved ones. it does seem very unlikely that just when you see his face your computer would go down and rapping is heard. as for a warning about taking care of the body or looking after it or death will come earlier than desired, I had one of those warning also...20 years ago. I must of did something right, I'm still here. mainly, I had fears that I would die and just not be ready for that. so when I woke up I decided to start doing everything I wanted to do. I just needed to be woken up that this life is temporary. we forget so easy how short life is. and the dream made me conscious of that. somebody said today is the first day of the rest of your life, thats what I mean. but no life is a waste, even if to die young, still, is good to have a life at all. love, alysia

Sandra,

I'm glad your spiritual quest is checked by a healthy skepticism.   The balance will help you develop the gift of discernment.  This gift eludes so many because they are blinded by wishful thinking and their urge to embrace dangerously simple answers to bafflingly comolex questions.   This urge often generates counterfeit spiritual experiences.  

Paranormal knocks are one of the most common ways deceased spirits make their presence known.  Explosions associated with furniture sometmes acconpany spirit manifestations, though this is less common.   So the combination of the 5 knocks and the monitor blowing up is a good sign that a real spirit manifested to you.  

But was that spirit really your father?  Lower spirits often impersonate others.  I'd encourage you to lovingly  meditate on this question.  Give yourself permisson to vaccillate over time until a settled conviction emerges one way or the other.  At that point, embrace whatever you sense.  

It may interest you to know that Carl Jung, one of the pioneers of modern psychiatry, often experienced spirit manifestations accmpanied by explosions within book cases, knives, and other artifacts.  Once he even announced to Sigmund Freud (an atheist) that such an explosion would immediately happen--and it did!  It blew the famous Freud's mind and he later wrote a nervous letter trying to rationalize the experience.  Freud's letter is contained in Jung's biography.  

I would be careful about accepting the voice that told you how long you would live.  My Dad's friend Helmut was told by his Dad at a young age that he (the Dad) would die on his 91st birthday.  He did!  Astral adept Emanuel Swedenborg knew the exact date of his own death years in advance and also knew the exact date on which certain others would die.  I myself have had many accurate death premonitions.

If your date is many years in advance and your awareness of it brings you peace, then it just may be genuine.  On the other hand, if you find this knowledge oppressive or if the message warned you that you would die young, I'd take that as a sign that the source was a deceptive spirit.  In that case, if you also sense that the same spirit created the knocks and gave you the impression that he was your father, I would be inclined to reject the whole manifestation as a great deception.  

Don

Hi again,
Thank you all so much for taking the time to answer me and try to help me out of my confusion. I think I am going to love it here.

Peace, Love and Light.

Sandra.

Dear laffingrain,
Thank you for your comments.
I don't know if you would agree with me or not but if you believe what many have reported, spirits have been known to make contact in many different ways and a 6th sense has not been required to perceive their communications.
Also I'd like to explain that all the things that happened that night did not happen simultaneosly.
I saw my father and he looked much younger than I remember him. He wasn't wearing the glasses he needed when he was alive and all this surprised me as I thought spirits would take the appearance you remember them by.
I heard the tapping when I asked if that was really him but I don't know for sure he was the one tapping.
After the speakers of my PC started buzzing like when a mobile phone is about to ring. It would come and go until finally my monitor blew up. All this lasted for about 20 minutes from the moment I saw my father until my monitor broke.
Still I have nothing to prove 100% that it was him but there's most definitely a chance that it was. One thing that makes me wonder is how I wasn't scared. I was just heartbroken by the whole experience, and if you knew me you would expect me to be scared out of my skin but somehow I just wasn't.
The message about my own death did not come to me that night either, sorry if I didn't explain myself properly. That was given to me one morning when I was in that stated where you are not asleep nor yet awake.    
Anyway, all of the posts helped, thank you again everyone and I hope to be able to be here for you as well.

Peace, Love and Light.

Sandra.

Welcome Sandra!

I was with my father when he passed a few years ago.  He was very distraught and afraid to die.  Just before he let go of his body I heard a voice call his name twice.  Moments later he let go of his body for a few seconds and then went back into it in an attempt to cling to life here I presume.  Probably less than a minute later he let go of his body and joined the spirit world.  Before this event I’d had numerous experiences interacting with the spirit world so I already had no doubts about all of us as eternal beings.  A few days later I was also able to visit with him and knew that he had adjusted to this transition very well.

I think so many people live their life in denial of their own death.  Sure we know it’s inevitable, yet at the same time it terrorizes us so much that we try to push it away from us by either refusing to think about it or living in such a way that leads us to believe that everyone will die except me.  The alternative to this is to either be constantly living with this fear of death, letting it dictate everything we do, or we can accept our own death right now.  Why accept it now?  Because eternal life is now and it lasts forever.    

The fact is that… if life is eternal, then the life we are living here on earth is not life.  We all need to learn to be comfortable with the concept of what eternal means and begin to see ourselves as eternal beings.  We all know deep inside of us that we are infinite beings.  Each of us has carried this wisdom throughout the ages.  What we think of as life is really just an illusion that our ego has created.  We think we are our body, our intellect, our possessions, etc. and daily we reinforce this belief by not allowing ourselves to connect with and embrace infinity.  Perhaps we do this because we don’t have a clear concept of what it means to be eternal.  

For example the people here on this board discuss this belief or that belief and whether or not this view is correct or that view is correct, and we all share our experiences with each other as well.  It seems that we all need to analyze these things in order to change our thinking to that which is eternal.  

Basically there are probably only two points of view regarding our own death.  The first one says that we are our physical body and we live here on earth for a few years or many years and then ultimately we either die in an accident or we get sick and die and when this happens, then we are annihilated and dead forever.  The second point of view is very simply that we are an eternal being or soul experiencing a temporary expression of living in the flesh.  In this second point of view only our physical body dies, not the soul that we truly are.  And that since we are an eternal being we were created whole and perfect and that the physical body we are experiencing emanated from an eternal Source or the Universal mind of the collective.  

This Universal mind is formless and it takes a while for us to grasp what it means to be formless energy, but from my experience it is the pure energy of love, peace, gentleness, kindness, beauty and creativity that can never die because there’s no physical form as we know it involved so there’s no possible way that it even could deteriorate and waste away.  I’ve always remembered something I learned in school many years ago.  That is that science has proven that energy can neither be created, nor can it be destroyed… only changed in form.  Basically, this means that we are frozen lumps of energy so to speak… that can never be destroyed.

Love and light to all,
Kathy

laffingrain:

I'd wave back at you, but I don't know how to the symbol. Therefore, I'll just smile hardily.  ;D "Oh, that hurt."




wrote on Aug 31^st, 2005 at 5:23pm:

Recoverer said: It would be like asking a computer to experience love. _____ nicely phrased ;) I have to remember this. the brain is a storage compartment vehicle, the mind, with a small letter m, will reflect the brain's storage capacity to hold belief systems and information. the mind with a capital M,  is what holds my heart in place, safely, orderly and knows where I am at all times. I am connected now. I wish to thank you for your posts. it is good to be here. just waving at you. http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/wave1.gif