I am trying to decide which way to go: with Bruce's materials or Hemi-sync.  TMI charges a lot for their stuff.

Is that the only substantial difference? What about the healing benefits of Hemi-sync?

Thanks.

Rob_Roy,

I say go with Bruce's guidebook and the CD's and select some Hemi sync CD's of your choice.  They're are different from each other but both good.

Jean

Dear Rob,

It's very expensive to attend the Gateway course at TMI, but that is probably the most effective strategy if you can afford it.  I have the complete set of TMI Gateway CDs, which cost me about $500.  I find the book 'Mastering Astral Projection: 90-Day Guide to Out-of-Body Experience" by Robert Bruce and Brian Mercer just as promising as the TMI CDs and much cheaper ($21.95).  But it's more boring to learn from a book.  On the other hand, the Gateway tapes require too much of a time commitment for my taste.  So pick your poison or pay through the nose. ::)  Sigh!

Don

Ditto, right on Berserk. :D

Rob_Roy,

I still say go with Bruce's Guide Book and select some personnalized Hemi Sync tapes from the catalog. I also found that the Gate Way Series was in the used book store selling for $50 a while back so if your serious about learning to do retreivals and alter consciousness in the lazy man/woman's way try these for under a $100 total, not counting the Gateway Series.  Then go on to where your heart leads you!

Much Love and glad your interested. Jean

Yes, go with Bruce's books and CD's. Then someday if you can afford it, go to TMI and take a program. ;-)

Love, Mairlyn ;-)

Rob, I find being with others and studying in a group if u can, adds more to the experience than studying on your own..its being around like minded people that causes some fine memories to be stored in the old noodle :)  theres is the costliness to consider and the distance to travel so we have the tapes and its almost like being there with a little imagination. :)  I've heard some folks here say the tapes that balance or syncronize the two sides of the brain get you into a mind state where you can recall the feeling and just be there without that aide. I think Bruce calls it the little finger bending exercise or state specific memory. might be like phasing which I'm calling the shift in consciousness these days (not my term, I just like it)  what I figured out on my own when pursuing explorations or journeys is that no matter where you are, its always the right place to be. love, alysia

Hi Rob-

I'm not familiar with TMI - but I'd place bruce's books at the top of the heap for value.

I've read lots and lots and lots of other material (!) and within his topic area, soul retrieval, I think Bruce has done an excellent job. I know of none better.

With respect to the technical aspects, Bruce has done about as well as most of the better writers, even including some of the classics that have hung around for thousands of years.

Unless you have lots of extra money, I'd go with Bruce.

dave

Whoa, I thought I was in a time warp Alysia. Didn't realize you'd resurected this post here as I was just reading it in the Book Forum. :o

Bruce's books and workshop are most definitely the cheapest way to go. However, going to TMI, if one can afford it, is worth the money because the group energy is absolutely amazing. I imagine the group energy in Bruce's workshops are also amazing.

Blessings, Mairlyn

thats funny Mairlyn as I was responding to that post to Rob this morn I thought of you.
so we must be connected out there or I wouldn't of thought of you. I didn't actually resurrect this thread, except that I thought of something once I got over here from the link Bets gave us. Bets is working it for us, bringing to the fore some of our older posts to look at again. blessings, alysia :)

Hey Rob

I was surprised when I saw this post!  We have discussed all this already and know which way we're going so wondered why you posted this - until I realised that someone else has resurrected  one of your very old posts.  You don't need guidance here - you already know what you're gonna do!!

Love
Irene (TS/SP)

Someone owes me an apology. DO NOT dig up any more of my old posts. If you have a question, ask it YOURSELF. Or else.

Rob

Or else?

Who knows, he's throwing a little hissy fit for no reason  :'(

maybe its me owes you an apology Rob, for responding to an old thread. maybe I should pack it in. maybe I've been here too long? :-X   I thought your question might be one that many others have who come searching here for answers.
I know you've grown way beyond that question as all of us old timers here have. thanks for asking it though. love, alysia

I was told it was someone else, a new moderator, abusing her position. I was getting ready to retaliate (I don't quit without a fight).  I have enough to deal with right now without someone embarrassing me by causing others to respond to me by answering a question that I didn't ask (this time). I've cut way back on this board and perhaps it's time for me to go.

Love,
Rob

Hey Rob, CHILL OUT. Every once in awhile an old thread gets brought up again. So what's the big deal?

No Alysia, you're not going anywhere. You did nothing wrong. I realize the engergies coming in now are really strong and are bringing up the worst in us for releasing. Let's all calm down now and get re-centered with LOVE.

Love, Mairlyn

PS Retaliation is NOT the spiritual way.

the energies are strong arent they Mair? I read that post on the other board about the magnification of our thoughts and feelings..a speed up as it were...I've noticed something good happens after such a thing...LOL! Mair..you're so bossy! I love it! ;D to tell me I'm not going anywhere...I probably won't, but we all have to leave sometime as we change into different paths..maybe not...talking thru my hat maybe ::)

well, here I am just busting apart with the speed up! :-*  thanks for pointing out I didn't do anything wrong..I needed that :P   I think if I'd noticed what year the post was, I would not have responded at all. I just looked at the August part. so thats why I thought I should apologize to Rob. but it was a small oversight I suppose, so I forgive myself!
A word to explain further whats going and I'm addressing Rob specifically. I don't want you getting the wrong idea. Bets and I are trying to stimulate conversation here from old posts..yours just happened to come up as we tried to find posts which are in regards to a discussion of the books forum. we wanted to generate conversation on the book forums in general. that intention is not abuse to my way of thinking and certainly no one wants to abuse anybody here. actually, you all are like family to me and have been for years.

enough said. lets take Mair's advice, she's always right! ;)

Alysia,

(This is edited; thanks to Irene for correcting my recollections) You did nothing wrong, but there is a history here with resurrecting old threads.  Don used to do this to Brendan in order to make one of his (Don's) points, and it sometimes seemed to dredge up old memories and offend him.  One day, we would just see and old post resurrected and eventually Don would chime in with a hidden agenda.

Personally, I'd love it if someone dredged up any of my old threads.  It also is economical, for there are many newbies who have the same questions to ask that were already asked.  I do understand Rob's sensitivity simply because, as I recall no one liked to have their thread manipulated from a long time ago.  I do thiink Rob, that Alysia's motives were clearly to stimulate talk and that no one was trying to focus on you.  The date your question was written is clear to all to see; I noticed it right away.  None of us own the threads we start, and everyone should notice the dates that posts are made.

Matthew

Please don't be angry. I did it and I apologize.
I won't do it again tho there are 2 others spread out already done.
It was an attempt to revive some valid involvement with questions about the books.
Rob has received my apologies in a PM and I hope he accepts them.
bets

I propose that we make an announcement that people should not take offence if their old threads are reprinted.  As I said, really there is no reason not to reprint what has been said before unless there are insults involved or personal attacks.  

Bets, pull up as many old threads as you want to.


M

Heya Doc..I was coming here to say essentially the same thing.

Is not the purpose here to explore the afterlife and help others to do the same?  If resurrecting an old thread can help in that, I say go for it.

What is with all these "egos" lately?  

It seems to be a heaviness coming over the site.  Alot of "I can do this, I'm becoming that" sort of thing, rather than the original intentions here of learning more about what happens when we leave the physical, helping those who become stuck in BST's and just connecting and growing together.

Religious notions, psychics..(yes, I know there are valid psychics, but last time I looked that wasn't the purpose of this site)

I guess I'm just getting frustrated that we aren't doing more exploring.  I don't think there are other sites quite like this one either, where souls gather to explore and help others.

Can't we just get back on track, please?

Betsi, you did nothing wrong either. I say, as Matthew said, ressurect old posts if they're going to help newbies. I know I have nothing to hide in any old posts of mine. They are here for all to read and learn from as are all of ours. I know that it takes time for someone to look for old posts on certain subjects and I thank you Betsi for doing this and Alysia for bringing it over here to this forum.

Aren't we all adults? Shouldn't we all act in an adult manner? Enough said.  I love you ALL.

Love, Mairlyn ;-)

Shirley :)  everyone  :)  Doc, excellent idea to notice how old the post is and maybe I can start stating my intention up front why it's being brought forth because you are right, I remember my old post was brought up long time ago and it did bother me because I don't remember why this person brought it up and I got embarrassed, as after it was brought forth it did the same thing to the board that just happened here...it caused some arguments from egos, and gave some folks a chance to rant. as usual, that wasn't the purpose of this forum, so right away I had this guilt trip, although re-reading my own posts, I didn't see anything there in itself would cause a raucus. it was a personal thing with the poster who dredged it up. so I can see how the past still reverberates through this forum as part of its soul. we should never be too sensitive is my feeling and I was getting my hide toughened up. I think you all will understand that statement because thats what family is for; to bounce your ideas and thoughts off of, my opinion, we are safe here to be ourselves.
at least I'd like to generate that feeling of home and I don't want to lose Rob over this. if I drop dead tomorrow, lol, I just want to say wow, I have a lot of memories to take with me from this place!
its meaningful the things this thread has opened up and we seem to recover well from disagreements. http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/affection.gif

I have been to TMI two times and am going again next week. You really get what you pay for. If spiritual enlightenment were available at the five and dime we would have all remembered who and what we really are by now. I love Bruces books. I connect to my All everytime I open one up and read but for me going to TMI opened my eyes so I could read and understand just what I was reading. To know and to meet others on the same path has been and is instrumental on my journey. Just like finding this site, and finaly after a year of just comming to see what others had wrote, putting what I had to say down and finding others who share the same beliefs and knowens. Bruce has mentioned how instrumental TMI was to his development. In fact he most likely would have never wrote any of these books had he not gone to TMI and met Bob M. Make your decision and manifest the reality of going.

Hello All:
Is it me or is there a pattern running through this board as of late?
I don't see anything at all resurrecting a thread, as newbies may not have seen it or any of the previous answers. Also, the date of the posts when they originated are right in front of the person reading it, so it was obvious that it was an older post.
Speaking as someone who was not associated with this board in 2005 (yeah, guys, those were the days weren't they? :) ) I found this thread very interesting.

TMI was my first choice, but I did not attend prior to reading Bruce's first books. I got the Guidebook after TMI. I agree that TMI is pricey and would not suggest someone jump at it immediately. The group energy is very intense, the friendships permanent, the experience exciting, and the conversations very stimulating. Either choice should be taken with some thought and let your intuition guide you.

Alysia -- no you did nothing wrong.
Betson -- no you did nothing wrong.
Mair -- oooh, you really are bossy! :) You must kick butt at retrievals -- literally. LOL.

All will be well and balance will be restored.

With affection,
E.
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hi EE and Joe http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/wave.gif

glad you guys are talking about The Monroe Institute. I never have attended except through Bruce's eyes, and description, and Monroe was always my favorite author since the 70's. so if you study hard, you can learn some of the things they teach at TMI through the books. thanks again y'all for mentioning TMI. love, alysia

Well, I for one would do it the same way again--- first I read Bob's books again (and Rosie McKnight's) and then I went to Gateway, even though I had the complete set of CDs and had listened to them at home.

It was only after I went to TMI the first time that I read Bruce's books. I have been back to TMI for Guidelines. Heartlines, Lifelines, Exploration Essence, and Remore Viewing, and am registered for Exp 27 in February. Y'all come, too; it would be great to meet in person!

For an all expenses included week, TMI is reasonable especially compared to weekend seminars costing the same, in chairs with no food or Hemi-Sunch. Carolyn Myss' $3500 workshop (3 days) comes to mind. TMI left me with a LOT LOT more I have acutally used.

And to be there at TMI, in THE place,,,well, that just added to it.

But it was Bruce's Afterlife Guidebook that really made the difference for me. Bruce talked about pretending, and faking it until you make it, and what he really meant when he says "I saw Denise" in the book. It really helped me accept what was actually happening to me, and suddenly it all opened up.......

But whatever method you choose, practice if the key. Mastery comes only after practice, and all ways and always from intention.

YOU are the Gift, dear Ones.

Love and Light,
Thomas

tgecks wrote on Oct 27^th, 2007 at 10:34am:

Well, I for one would do it the same way again--- first I read Bob's books again (and Rosie McKnight's) and then I went to Gateway, even though I had the complete set of CDs and had listened to them at home. And to be there at TMI, in THE place,,,well, that just added to it. But it was Bruce's Afterlife Guidebook that really made the difference for me. Bruce talked about pretending, and faking it until you make it, and what he really meant when he says "I saw Denise" in the book. It really helped me accept what was actually happening to me, and suddenly it all opened up....... But whatever method you choose, practice if the key. Mastery comes only after practice, and all ways and always from intention. YOU are the Gift, dear Ones. Love and Light, Thomas

Thomas; what you said here is so true..:)
Being at TMI with the group/place energy is awesome; would love to go back when the momie comes available. See you at PE..:)
with love Romain

 I largely agree with Thomas and Romain, yet at the same time i would like to stress that neither is necessary for spiritual development.  I had a really nice time at TMI, but my guidance made very sure and indicated firmly that it wasn't completely necessary to have gone there, or to rely on anything outside of self.   I'm quite wary of what i see as spiritual materialism being so heavily but VERY subtly pushed on us in the new age, spiritual world (particularly by those trying to make money).  These can and tend to become yet more material attachments, which at some point will need to be broken for complete realization.  

 This why i would probably recommend Bruce's stuff before and above most anything else, because at least its cheap, and relies more on inner methods that anyone can do or practice.  If Bruce, and Bob are part of the same Soul essence, and i believe him on that because of a dream i had (wherein Bruce's face morphed into Bob's, and back and forth and merged for a bit), then it seems  like (from my limited perspective at least) Bruce is karmically trying to balance certain imbalances that Bob manifested--and i wouldn't be surprised if nonphysical, and now wiser Bob wasn't cheering him on.   RaRaRa..AhOmm...la. (a spiritual cheer)  :D

I would have to endorse everything said by Tom, Romain, Justin, Joe and EE.  Yep, I travelled all the way from Melbourne to attend TMI and it was worth everything I paid.  AND I'm coming back again next year to attend a couple more programmes.  

There's nothing compared to the friendships that you make and the love that goes around is awesome.  As some of us say, its like "coming home".  

Irene

Irene; i'm sure you did enjoy your stay at TMI; like the one of us who went there for the week.
It is like going home; hard to explain but it's just the feeling of warm/friendship/food..lol

Also Justin; your're right it is not necessary for spiritual development....but it's an "Avenue"/ "Individual Choice"; you and only you decided if you want to go or not..Free Choice.

With love guys..Romain

Rob_Roy wrote on Aug 28^th, 2005 at 7:44pm:

I am trying to decide which way to go: with Bruce's materials or Hemi-sync.  TMI charges a lot for their stuff. Is that the only substantial difference? What about the healing benefits of Hemi-sync? Thanks.

RobRoy, am a bit late on this one Rob, but you should know this:  I made much of my progress reading Bruce's first two books and using the Going Home box set.  After a couple of weeks I did my first conscious retreival and just went zooming from there.  
I never did seem to have the money to go to Monroe, although as you know, virtually everyone who goes there raves about it.
Plus most of my early retievals were done using headphones and hemi-sync lying in my darkened bedroom in the middle of the afternoon between work shifts.  And that's in a fifth floor appartment above a busy railroad track!

Take it from there!

love, gordon

Gordon,

I apologize for the late response. I have been ignoring this thread because I've gone past where I was with this question two years ago as well as being a bit embarrassed about my response to its first resurrection.  I have learned since that the question is moot.

Btw, I have your book: Eternal Life And How To Enjoy It. It is quite good.

Regards,
Rob

Rob_Roy wrote on Nov 8^th, 2007 at 9:29am:

Gordon, I apologize for the late response. I have been ignoring this thread because I've gone past where I was with this question two years ago as well as being a bit embarrassed about my response to its first resurrection.  I have learned since that the question is moot. Btw, I have your book: Eternal Life And How To Enjoy It. It is quite good. Regards, Rob

Me too Rob !  Justy noticed your post date now, Yikes!

best wishes, gordon