It's occurred to me, like a light bulb flashing over
my head in a cheesy Bugs Bunny cartoon...
I'm wasting a HUGE amount of time thinking about
this sort of metaphysical mule manure.
The time I've spent on the Web searching out this
sort of "information" (and on this site) I could have been using to
make some money at least!
Fact is folks... this life is ALL we get. (Seriously... come to think of it, I wouldn't have it any other way!) I'm glad at
least I had a "slap in the face to break the trance"
sort of moment tonight.
MAGIC is a load of GARBAGE!!!
If my goal is to "build a better beast" so to speak... well, SUPERSTITION (which is what the "afterlife" (magic!) , reincarnation (magic!), everything except good old conciousness=brain function, death=oblivion IS) has no place in attainment of that goal. SCIENCE, and SCIENCE ONLY, is the path to the truth... NOT FAITH in any of its million different disguises. ("Magic" by any other name...)
I realize I've been getting more superstitious over
the last couple of years. That is NOT a good thing, and it is why I've been hanging around this board! I don't want to go any
further down this path. So...
How do I un-subscribe (or remove my information/name/membership)
from this website? (I checked out the "help" section but didn't find anything...)
Thanks,

B-man

Brendan-

Good for you!  You will be joining many folks who finally, after much reflection, realize that their experiences (much to their chagrin), were really bogus all along.

Finding out what the afterlife is really like isn't accomplished by making up imaginary conversations with deceased friends or relatives.  It's far more involved than that.  The process isn't quick and easy, or if it is, that kind of process will produce many misinterpretations and outright falsehoods.  

It's far better to wash you hands of this stuff and go out in the world trying your level best to help others in a compassionate, selfless way.  If you do that, you will be eons ahead of those who spend their time glued to their monitors hanging onto the words of the latest new age guru.

It's what we do while on earth in terms of helping others that really counts, not how many retrievals we "think" we have done or how many hours we have spent online.

The thing is, it's so much easier and seductive to surf the web looking for websites that supposedly have the answers we are looking for.  Easier, yes, but full of blind alleys and distortions.

Best of luck.

Roger

Dear B-man,

You have given and hope will continue to give us some GREAT examples of living totally in C1 consciousness and I thank you.

Love and kisses, Jean :-* :-*

If your intent is to leave the board, go to Profile near the top of the page and at the bottom of the Profile page, click 'delete user.'  That's whats simple. What's hard is the seeking and I guess you just aren't up to it anymore. Go ahead and live your life as you see fit. You'll be back in your next incarnation to repeat learning the same lessons that you wouldn't allow yourself to learn in this lifetime. But that's ok, you have all of eternity :o ;-)  We tried to help you.  ::)

With Love, Mairtreya   ;D

Brendan,

So why DO you keep coming here?  You love to stir things up as if you have something important to say, but let me just let everyone else know this...

I sent you a personal e-mail on this site asking you why you are a part of this board and you ignored answering me.  

Obviously, you like the attention you get from everyone here.  THAT is why you stay here.  

You need us.  Just admit it.  Notice how no one has kicked you out?  You have had the ability to leave at any time.  

Cheers.  



:)

Hi Brendan,

I hope you don't mind my breaking the news to you, but science as it's accepted in our society today is just another faith.  Not only that, but it involves unflinching belief in magic, which you claim to disdain.

Are you familiar with the theory of evolution; the idea that each species was somehow derived from another?  They're talking pure magic there.  And the belief that living things somehow miraculously appeared in an environment which previously lacked any signs of life.  That too is nothing but magic, taken on faith by those who believe it.

But I suppose you think of yourself as someone who relies solely on personal observation and experience, logic and rational thinking ~ not a man of faith.  Well, don't let me disturb your little illusion.  Go on telling yourself that you don't believe in magic or accept other people's ideas on faith.  Surely you'll do the research yourself when you want to know about things like DNA or the Big Bang, and not just believe what other people say about them.  Otherwise you'd end up being a man of faith, and we don't want that to happen, do we.

I'm really glad for you and your great moment of insight, but since you probably don't want others to take anything on faith either there's no point in telling them that you know the truth about how things really are.  They'd need to find out for themselves and not take your pronouncements on faith.

Best wishes,
Glen

BRAVO Glen!!

Well, good luck to you, B.

I suspect many of us will be here if you ever want to lurk.  Or if you change your mind.  All the best to you in your search.

love, blink

Brendan, I understand your frustration.  I am somewhat like you right now, having not seen the "proof" and feeling upset.  

It is quite drepressing at times to feel like I'm in a world where everyone (exagertaion) is living in a bubble and we're imprisoned by governments and corperate interests who would ban our freedoms at the drop of a hat.

Now, that is just me releasing steam so don't take that view of the world seriously.

I have come up with some ideas about life:

- If we don't exist after death, then life would be a waste of time and should be ended immediately.  Lets say that we're gone after death.  Why not just kill yourself and get it over with if that is the case (WHICH IT IS NOT!).  There has to be a purpose to it all.

I feel I have been given an ability to empathize with people who feel hopeless as I have a strong grasp of this feeling.  I am not here to condemn you, I am here to console you.

- Steve U.

( Please note : this post was composed in simultaneous reply to both Brendan's "I'm DONE with this $#!%" as well as Spooky's "Crisis", and thus I will reproduce this post on both threads. Kyo. )



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I'm wasting a HUGE amount of time thinking about this sort of metaphysical mule manure...

As far as the lifetime on Earth goes, it doesn't matter quite as much what you choose to believe/accept/agree, or not believe/accept/agree; what *is* of the utmost relevance, in terms of living a lifetime *successfully* (ie. making the most of precious time here on Earth), is the completion of the existential program.

The existential program, in a nutshell, is the overview of personalized, specific objectives and goals that you have set out to accomplish in this incarnation. Your (ie. this incarnation's) existential program, was 'written' as a collaborative joint-effort planning, with the main author being yourself (ie. your soul), with a great deal of discussion, assistance, advice and suggestions from your guides & helpers, teachers and evolutionary orientor, as well as in cooperation with the existential programs of others with whom you choose to work with in the upcoming liftime.

Afterall, a carefully planned lifetime will involve extensive karmic interactions with other 'friends & colleagues' with whom they are specific little co-existential programs for specific forseeable relationships.

This does not imply that everything is predestined, quite the opposite. This demonstrates that you *do* have free will (remember that *you* wrote your own existential program in your much more lucid capacity as an extraphysical being in the intermissive period), and have taken great effort towards implementing your free will, and have tremendous assistance, company and guidance of all the guides & helpers, and all your (soul's) loved ones, friends and family ('familiar ones'), even if you may have temporarily (during physical incarnation) forgotten about them, for they haven't forgotten you, nor will ever forsake you.

So to Brendan (and everyone else), whatever you believe or not believe, doesn't matter so much, as long as you complete your existential program.




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Recently I thought I could have wasted so much time with my meditations and mind-journeys and looking at books and my monitor that after I'd finished this life I must come to the insight that I've done nearly nothing of worth and missed my chance to do the really important things here. But I don't really know what task or service in C1 (intraphysical) I have to do that would make my life complete. Everything seems to be the same, boring, meaningless.  Anyone who had a similar crisis?

The crisis which you refer to, Spooky, is not so much one that wrestles with the question of validity of any of the spiritual concepts or experiences, but it is a (far more important) crisis, that of completing your existential program.


The mid-life crisis and mid-life depression that so many people (in fact, the majority of humans physically incarnate on Earth) experience to varying extents, is a manifestation and pre-warning of 'soul melancholy'.

That is, the sadness of the soul when it senses that, already halfway through it's physical incarnation, it is still far from accomplishing what it had set out to accomplish in this life, ie. its existential program.

This is the root cause of the most profound depression, one that sedative mind-numbing drugs only further exacerbates and hinders (any hope of fulfilling the existential program).

There are multiple objectives on multiple levels, some personal in nature (eg. karmic lessons), some involving specific relationships with others (eg. friends, family and intimate partners), and (for more evolved souls) participation in polykarmic projects of assistantiality (ie. any type of work which reaches out to, positively affects, and helps the lives of many others); these are some examples illustrating the intricate nature and complexity of a single incarnated human being's existential program.




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Today, on a mind-journey I was told to focus on LEAVING the world, not to force myself doing great deeds of service IN this world, because the bad conscience hinders me to live a good life, which is, so I was told, for me to enjoy the present and don't care about whether I do something good or bad. That there isn't a special task for me to do, only to live and to see that there is nothing to wish and nothing to learn for me anymore, to get certain about this so that I can leave the earth without the urge to come back.

There are two separate aspects to this, and both must be carefully understood and approached correctly.

The suggestion given to you (it does not matter the exact identity of the energy or being who contacted you with this message, whether it be your own soul, a guide helper, intruder, etc), has important value, but only if you understand it correctly.

To be, first and foremost, then to do.

One must first be balanced, accepting and loving with your own being (ie. existence), without false reliance on any conditions external (ie. conditional love).

Eg. "I won't be happy unless I get that car" or "unless she marries me in this life" or even "unless I accomplish my existential program for this lifetime!"

All too many people live their lives as zombies, robots or puppets, seeking to fill up the hollowness deep within themselves with hollow external achievements and 'successes', such as academic, business/corporate, even relationship & family life. And for some, even contributing to charitable causes, but for the wrong reasons or seeking, and end up feeling hollow and unfulfilled.

But because these individuals were themselves NOT self-balanced, self-connected, self-accepting, self-lucid, self-loving and unconditionally loving, to begin with.

They are escaping from themselves (and their issues) in a desperate bid to seek themselves (and confront their issues), chasing their own shadows and ignoring (and separating from) their true selves.


Spooky (and everyone), if you attempt to accomplish any 'special tasks' or even that of your own existential program, without first attaining the pre-requisite of 'englightenment' in the BEING, you will not be able to truly or totally grasp the Joy or Love of the DOING. In other words, the 'special tasks' will not have the 'special meaning' it was originally intended to have. It would simply be a hollow task (for you), even if others might be positively affected by it (that would be good, but it could be better! And that, is up to you!).

Hence, this is the true value of the communication that was given to you (in your mind-journey), quite regardless of its original intention (and source).

ALL EXPERIENCES HAVE IMPORTANT VALUE AND DEEPER MEANING, REGARDLESS OF THE ORIGINAL INTENTION OR SOURCE BEHIND IT. AND ONLY YOU, NOT ANY OTHER BEING(S), CAN UNLOCK ITS *TRUE* MEANING, AND DETERMINE THE BENEFIT IT CAN GIVE TO YOU.


And once you have truly grasped (ie. determined for yourself) its meaning, and have successfully implemented it fully in your life (ie. made it real for yourself on all levels of your existence), then and only then, the next natural expression of your self-balanced, self-connected, self-accepting, self-lucid, self-loving and unconditionally loving, would be the completion of the existential program in its totality.


To reiterate, 'inner-enlightenment' must go hand-in-hand with 'outer-enlightenment', for the 'complete-enlightenment'.

To paraphrase, Evolution must go hand-in-hand with Assistantiality, for the complete Existential Experience.


So learn to "enjoy the present, live in the NOW, and don't care about whether I do something 'good' or 'bad'... That there isn't a special task that I *have* to do (to accept myself), only to live and to see that there is nothing to wish and nothing to do for me; to be unconditionally joyful and unconditionally loving at all times...", right now, then (*SIMULTANEOUSLY*) proceed to accomplish your existential program.

One does not take precedence or priority over the other. They are both pre-requisites for each other.


As to the exact specifics of your existential program, there are many ways to approach this. However, due to the extreme importance (and for some, urgency) of this subject, we wish to make known to the reader now, the existence of one particularly powerful avenue of communication and help, from the guides & helpers - The Hilarion Reading.

It is of course, only one of many such bridges or pathways. But for some of you, it is one that can indeed be the 'break' that you could really use.

In doing the Hilarion Reading, in which you get to ask 6 questions of a personal nature, dedicate at least one of the questions to asking for Hilarion's advice on the various aspects of your existential program.


The Hilarion Reading :
http://infinity.hispeed.com/Heart.Of.God/main.htm#Hilarion



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Enlightenment is to BE, and simultaneously to DO.


If you neglect one, you cannot fully do the other.
You must BE (unconditionally), only then you can you properly DO (extension of your BEing).

From the BEingness, you create the DOingness.
And in the DOingness, you live out your BEingness.

You will realize that both are aspects of each other; that both are One.


If you do not Love yourself, you do not truly Love others.
If you do not Love others, you do not truly Love yourself.

Only when you truly understand/choose/honour/cherish/enjoy/realize the Oneness of All Beings, and have choosen to give/accept *all of both* (self-is-fully-loved plus others-are-fully-loved, ie. self-is-truly-others plus others-are-truly-self), then you (God) have truly experienced Love.

Then you can truly experience (and enjoy) the complete existence of simultaneous BEingness & DOingness.


Meditations on Heart.Of.God, see here.

Work of Byron Katie (for BEingness), see here.

The Hilarion Reading (for advice on DOing your Existential Program), see here.

Life will be worth living again.

(To be precise you would realize that Life was *always* worth living, only that you had forgotten how to live it. Now here's your chance. Give it to yourself. And in doing so, to all your loved ones, to all other beings, and to the Cosmos.)

Well...from what I see/believe, the afterlife is not about magic. Magic is for Halloween tricksters and other sorts....the afterlife is a fact of life. I agree with who said here, (sorry, can't remember now who is was...... :P), that B-man has just been trying to get attention around here by razzling up the ones who are trying to grow spiritually.....there's always gotta be a heckler in the group... ::)........and thus once revealed, decides not to be here anymore.......'waaaa waaa waaaa!! So there! I don't want to talk here anymore then! Fine then! I will leave!!!'
I seem to remember that being said in another way here just recently too!! 'Waaaa! I don't want to go to Heaven!!!'
Well............geeze.....B-Man...you are probably a pretty good person....just a little cranky lately....however, not wanting to be here anymore is your choice but there is no need to insult the integrity of those who are here....after all, the place was good enough for you at one time....
Just remember in your search tho.....you do have choices every day to make in your life...being on this forum is one of them.........but, hahahahaaa....guess what? You don't have a choice with respect to the afterlife!!! You will eventually get back there whether you want to or not! Isn't it better to know what you are up against rather than going into it blindly?
Sorry.....not trying to be a jerk here......but geeze, this behaviour sounds so much like that of a toddler....only with a slightly larger vocabulary scale.......Sorry to see you go  B-Man...however, I hear that: www.joecartoon.com is a great site if you are still looking for a new web home.... 8)

.............guess I am a little grumpy this morning myself......hmmmmpf....no soup for me! :-*

well Brendan never really spoke to yer much but its been fun reading your posts. cya around

Ryan

Best wishes to ya Brendan. :D