A young girl that I knew some 35 years ago,who died of cancar when she was 23,had been on my mind for a long time.Her name was beverley,and from time to time I thought of her dieing at such a young age.Then One night I was awakened by a voice that said beverley.I said what about her.I then saw a vision of a young girl who works at a bingo hall.I wounder if she is the reincarnation of beverley.When I talked about this to the other girl who is 25,she told me when she was 23 it was the worst year of her life.She said the doctors did not know what the problem was.She thought she was about to die,but she got better when she reached her 24th birtday,Beverley is buried in a cemetery not far from where I live.What do you think.George

Updated for George, pages 159 to 187 :
http://infinity.hispeed.com/Heart.Of.God/WilliamBaldwin/index.htm

"The situation itself is never the problem, it is your false ideas about the situation, that is the problem." (Byron Katie, timeless).

There's nothing to fear about the situation (eg. Intrusion) itself. There's only compassion, and beings (eg. intruders) that ask to be helped, and beings (eg. guides & helpers) that wish to help. And you, are the bridge that makes the help possible.

Hi George-
Many people seems to repeat crises at the same instant of life. I'd say that your intuition is very possibly correct.

However, Dick Sutphen has a theory of multiple manifestations of the same psyche, which suggests that there may be more than one "after image" of Beverly's prior life manifesting in this time. There's a bit more support for this idea from both the math of information systems development and also the experiences of various people in which they seemed to be identified with the nature of collections of people.

Aside from these side thoughts, one very simple way to find out is to ask the woman to regress to her prior lifetime. "Relax, turn off all the stuff in your mind that you aren't using. Focus on the sound of your breathing." - then count slowly down from 20 as you tell her to relax deeper with each number - count on every third or fourth breath - "20 - Relax" - etc - then ask her to just look into her inner imagery and describe what she might see if she were alive 35 years ago - to make it up if necessary until the images seem to present themselves - if she is who you recall, you will get numerous cues - maybe even a narrative. So long as you don't "lead" her, or ask leading questions, this ought to answer the question for you.

Let us know how it works out-
dave

Interesting story you tell.
About 3 years ago (summer '02) I heard tell (never met her or knew her) about a 23-y/o girl who had recently died of melanoma. Sad story, stuck with me for some reason.
Anyway, I'd tripped over the story, literally, when I was looking for the classified ads and stumbled on the obituary page. For some reason I saw the photo (young, good looking, out-of-place on an obit page) and read the obituary.
Anyway got me to checking out my skin (I'm a bit of a hypochondriac) and found a funny looking mole on my shoulder. Went to the doc, had it sliced off.
Sure enough, super-early stage melanoma. Got it in time, no problem...
Then here I am going through some old papers to toss in the trash a few months ago (I almost never look at the front page anymore, too depressing) and I see on the front page, the story of this girl!
Needless to say, the "superstitious hick" in me went into overdrive for a little while...
But then, weird coincidences, are the story of my life, so I ended up being not too surprised.
Some might say, this wasn't an accident (in the story, it said she hoped "no young person would ever have to die of cancer again"... it was a story about a foundation in her name) that I stumbled on her obit, got worried and caught my own melanoma early.
But that's absurd. Why would a beautiful, happy, future-is-bright 23-y/o with her whole life ahead of her, have to die so a washed-up, tired-out, cigarette-addicted 34-y/o heap of gangrene like me could have a few more decades of life?
This is just another reason I'd prefer to believe in a random, mechanistic reality... these sort of idiocies wouldn't be entertained by credulous fools...

B-man

Well...

B-man (or woman)

Im sorry to attack you every time, but I cannot resist...

You look like a super melanoma of this forum, but that is ok... everyone must learn from your mistakes, and that is your divine purpose here... :P

... but, I cannnot resist to smile (on my ugly face) when I read your posts here and to conclude that you are another lost soul on its way to oblivion...

I hope I'm wrong, but it seems that everyone's love here is not helping you, hahaha...

... yes, you maybe need a billion of reincarnations (with green skin and no sex) to comprehend what I just said, but, eternity is long enough...

... don't you agree?

8)

Now, now Q...................ROFLOL

Love, Mairtreya

No I do not agree,and if you seen and heard what I have,I think you would agree Also.George

Oh, I'm sorry, George...

I was talking to B-male...

I agree with everything you say, 'couse that is the way you are seeing things (in this hologram of life)...

sorry again to intrude on your post...

:'(

postscriptum: I'm sure Beverly is on the safe place and enjoying her afterlife... I think you should free yourself of her karma and live your own (holographic) life as best as you can!!!! She would agree with this too... I think...

:)

Go to:

http://www.freeonlinegames.com/play/2477.html

A commentary on the human condition, if I do say so
myself... and the plight of Everyman faced with an inimical situation (or non-voluntary afterlife perhaps?)
Enjoy...

B-man

Marilyn,

I got a hot passage for you; see if you can guess where it came from?  I have been revisiting an old friend of mine, one who we have discussed before.  Here goes:

“Strive for happiness as lesser men strive for power: and remember that love is both the seed and the flower of joy.  Let your actions be such that if they were done to you they would increase your happiness.  Love others that they may love you: and love yourself that you may love others.”

Love to sweet person, Jean :-*

Oh my goodness Jean. This sounds like it would be Jeshua. ;-)   ???

Love, Mairlyn ;-)

Marilyn,

This was from Amenemhet's speech and known as  the First Law.  Anyhow he spoke these words on being chosen as Pharaoh during the New Kingdom period as Joan Grant's far memory recalled it. She was known as Ra-ab Hotep and was part of a movement called the Eyes of Horus.
Of couse, she phrased it in modern words but the essence of the message is old.  Talk about going full cycle in approx. 5,000 years. ::)

Believe it or not.

Love, Jean :-*

I am beginning to think that reincarnation is the missing link for church goers in the west.Its the only thing that makes sence.Earth in my opinion is the best area to grow spirituly.I dont think we will get to heaven in one lifetime.We will just have to come back again and again,untill we learn how to live the perfect life to get to heaven.again this is only my opinion.George.

Brendan

Some of your questions had already been answered but you are not trying to apply the examples we gave you to answer your on questions.

So here we go again.

We tend to repeat some mistakes during our lifetimes, so the great architect developed a system that assures we will not stop growing till we get there.

When you destroy your physical body or “wound” your consciousness (on purpose due your antics) it generates kind of unbalance at your energetic and due that your “soul” is unable to create a perfectly healthy body to your next lifetime. So in this case you would likely going to be born with some kind of “imperfection” and due that you would go through some experiences that (ironically?) would give you a chance to learn exactly what you need to know to avoid doing the same thing again.
This system avoids one of simple stops at the growing process and help us go faster till de level of development were we have the control of the situation  and  pain is no longer necessary.

(Believe some times we are kind of laze. ;D )

PS: Your point of view is so important to me because it makes me check on my own to see if I have the answer, so please, give us a little more time)

George, you seem totally stuck in an earthbound mentality.  How can you possibly know that Earth is the best place to grow spiritually?  Have you thoroughly explored ALL the worlds in all the other universes and all the spiritual planes in the astral realm?

Jean, thanks for your example of a good reason to avoid Joan Grant.  Channelers repeatedly expose the bogus nature their claims through egregious anachronisms.  Grant's quote is a clearcut case of synthesized Christian teaching read back to ancient Egyptian spiritual perspectives with which, in truth, it has little in common in terms of either style or content.

Don

Don,

She was not a channeler, she was direct experiencer, like most of us and as a result published her past life experiences as "fiction" because some could not accept them merely as far memories-which I might add they became bestsellers in Grear Britian!

But what do I know, I'm just a fan of hers, and a seeker.

Jean :-*

Don in your view,where is the best place to grow.The spirit world is all around earth.All we have to do is stick are arm out,and were in the spirit world.So where is your best place to learn.George

George, everything we want to know is inside of us if we know how to access it. I think what Donald was referring to was your comment on earth being the best place to grow spiritually.  George, between earth lives, we can reincarnate on any other planet if it's in accordance with our highest good for learning. And there are many, many, many countless places to incarnate and learn lessons. ;-)

Much Love, Mairlyn ;-)

George, the best place to grow no doubt varies from person to person. For some, growth might be best achieved on another planet with a different culture, level of intellect, and quality of consciousness.   For some it might even be Hell because of their low vibration and hateful lifestyle.   Of course, growth there would no doubt need a retrieval to help one move on to the next stage.  For others, the intermediate realm that Swedenborg calls the World of Spirits, Monroe calls Focus 25 and 28, and the Bible calls Hades and Paradise.  For the more advanced, maximum growth might be achieved by the many challenges of the various heavens.  

I'm just saying we must we careful not to overrate the value and uniqueness of the earth school.  Swedenberg has convinced me that there is no reincarnation of the ego on earth.  I'll be giving his reasons in a future post on my Swedenborg thread.  So if you're interested, stay tuned.

Don

Focus 28? What's that?
spooky

I heard this message today.As the rain falls from the heavens and onto the earth,and in time is drawn back into the heavens,so shall we who are borne in earth,be taken back into the heavens.Those who have done good well stay.But those who have not been fruitfull, shall be cast back onto the earth to try once again,for God is a loving God who does not want to lose even one of his sheep.George

typo, Sppoky.  I meant to type Focus 25-26, not 25 and 28.

Quote:

I heard this message today.As the rain falls from the heavens and onto the earth,and in time is drawn back into the heavens,so shall we who are borne in earth,be taken back into the heavens.Those who have done good well stay.But those who have not been fruitfull, shall be cast back onto the earth to try once again,for God is a loving God who does not want to lose even one of his sheep.George

This is a very beautiful message that you got George. ;-)

With Love, Mairlyn ;-)

Don,

Don said, "Jean, thanks for your example of a good reason to avoid Joan Grant.  Channelers repeatedly expose the bogus nature their claims through egregious anachronisms.  Grant's quote is a clearcut case of synthesized Christian teaching read back to ancient Egyptian spiritual perspectives with which, in truth, it has little in common in terms of either style or content."

Don: My questions to you are: 1) "How did you feel when you gave the above responce?" and 2) "What was your intention in giving the above responce?"

Don't answer too quick and please take your time. Questions like this are sometimes difficult to answer.   Jean

wrote on Aug 30^th, 2005 at 12:44pm:

I heard this message today.As the rain falls from the heavens and onto the earth,and in time is drawn back into the heavens,so shall we who are borne in earth,be taken back into the heavens.Those who have done good well stay.But those who have not been fruitfull, shall be cast back onto the earth to try once again,for God is a loving God who does not want to lose even one of his sheep.George

George, I agree this is beautiful what you got. this is the first time since I've known you that I see how loving you are.;D  alysia

Exactly Alysia. That is also what I got out of this. George is a very loving soul. ;-)

Much Love, Mairlyn

Jean,

In a genuine spiritual quest, there is no love without integrity and no integrity without a passion for verification.  Without this passion, our feel-good dialogue is like two ships passing in the fog, with each ship's passengers intoxicated by the harmony of their common direction and blissfully unaware of the danger of colliding ships and sunken belief systems.   You asked me how I felt when I gave you my response to Joan Grant's anachronistic error.  I felt a sense of release from my horror at the gullibility manifested on this site that has driven many away.  I don't mind bristling disagreement.  But when people abandon all pretense to critical engagement of issues and equate the truth with any stray voice in the back of the head (e.g. recently George) or accept implausible messages just because thye might resonate" (i.e. feel good), I feel unclean at the thought that some might take my silence as an endorsement of such New Age kookery.  I feel an obligation to give a voice to those few who really acknowledge the elusiveness and complexity of the itruth about the afterlife.

In George's case, I ask him not to reject his belief in  reincarnation, but to explore the alternative perspectives on this complex subject in both eastern religions and the New Age movement.

Don

Dear Don,

My only response to you can be:

Attanrum pigiya nuna pingitlu tamaita: nuna tamatleerlugo, inuuyoat asin nayortingit tamaita,

Ingme amita sanaya imam kraangane: kukkat
kraangane sannaerklugo.

Kina mayorniarpa tatpaonga Attaurum inanun?: kina nikuvraniarpa inigiknetoaluane?

Suinnakun issakresuittoar inuk, omata salumablune: erkrosuittoarilumine: unnertuutiroayuittoar inukrattine uingayisuklugit.

Love and Peace, Jean :-*

Jean, I don't know what you said but it sounds good to me. ROFLOL

Love, Mairlyn  ;D

Yes, Jean expressed herself with the lucidity so characteristic of her posts.  Her sulking ignores the fact that I only explained my motivation in response to her prickly insistence.  Jean, don't ask if you're unable to really hear the answer.

Don

In responce to my question to Don: "How did you feel when you gave the above responce?"

Don said:

I felt a sense of release from my horror at the gullibility manifested on this site that has driven many away.
I feel unclean at the thought that some might take my silence as an endorsement of such New Age kookery.  
I feel an obligation to give a voice to those few who really acknowledge the elusiveness and complexity of the itruth about the afterlife.  

Interesting responce and whenever I feel paticularly confused or bothered
about something, I sometimes repeat the 23 psalm as I did above. Thanks for answereing.

May the force be with you ;D Jean

Quote:

Don said: ”I felt a sense of release from my horror at the gullibility manifested on this site that has driven many away.  I feel unclean at the thought that some might take my silence as an endorsement of such New Age kookery.   I feel an obligation to give a voice to those few who really acknowledge the elusiveness and complexity of the itruth about the afterlife.”

Dear Don,

Please know that I am speaking to you with love and kindness in my heart.

Unfortunately I see you as one who continues to bring negativity and discord into this board by ridiculing others for their beliefs.  You have some great posts regarding ES and I can see that you are learning much and are willing to share this with all of us here, however, you clearly show in your responses to Jean and George that you do not love your self unconditionally, therefore, you are incapable of loving others in that manner as well.

To counteract your fear of powerlessness, you use your intellect to greatly puff your self up at the expense of others.  If your intention were clearly aligned with God, you would show love and understanding, rather than condemnation.  Your words of criticism would be words of kindness even though you may disagree with something that was said.  

In your recent responses to a couple of people, you show that you have made your self an authority figure in your own eyes and since you base your self-esteem on what others think, you perceive and fear that others will see you as hanging your dirty laundry out in public for all to see... hence your feeling of "uncleanness" as you mentioned.  If your intention were in alignment with God, you would have no adversaries and either speak kindly or say nothing at all.

By raising your vibrations with loving kindness, you have the opportunity to help raise the vibrations of this board.  You are an intelligent man with a wonderful discernment regarding the literature about the afterlife, however, when you show condemnation to others, you discredit yourself.

With love,
Kathy

beautifully thought out communication Kathy. Ephrium is with you (Kathy has a guide)  it is the powerful truth I hear. many times Don, if u are reading this, I have felt you stab me. but I no longer take what anyone says personally anymore, so I have grown stronger and wiser. equally Don, many times I have spoken to you and received no answer. that too did hurt me, but not as much as when you finally did get around to responding to me. so I just decided that it would be best not to talk to you at all as Dave said something here yesterday which helped me...he said it's ok to make my choices whom I want to talk to and whom I don't. funny, why would I ever think otherwise? I guess I wanted to relate to you because of your knowledge of books you have read along religious premise..there are a couple of things Jesus has said in the bible about treating others as you would like to be treated, and "greater things then this will ye do" a few phrases which I lived by and reminded myself of often, so I thought this was marvelous, that I could share it, perhaps even with you, who insists on calling me a new ager, therefore you say I am deluded. I soon realized my failure to connect with you. but that's ok. I know theres others who can connect with me. I wish you well on your endeavors, whatever they are and hope you can wish us well someday. I hope you can learn to love yourself too, and accept all the marvelous things that u have been shown but do not accept as valid. goodbye. http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/boat.gif

Kathy, judgmental and patronizing as always!  It IS loving to press someone to expand his perception h beyond a dubious voice in the back of his head.  As for Jean, I was pressed for an honest answer and I gave it in the unvarnished way true feelings must be expressed to be accurate.  But given the vicious way Brendan was sent on his way, I should expect no less.  This site has a very dense vibration indeed!

Don

There will come a time (NOW actually), when everyone, certainly including all of us here, can see with utmost clarity that indeed, everyone here is in truth really relating to himself/herself.

That is to say, Berserk's horror and abomination (for what he understands as 'New Age kookery'), Kathy (and Ephrium)'s words of insight & loving advice from their perspective, Alysia's sincerity and willingness to sharing of her personal wisdom, etc. In all of these, the being(s) expressing their energies, thoughts and sentiments via their communication, are doing so as a natural extension of themselves, their nature, their intentions.

Thus, as the guides & helpers quietly observe all happenings, they of course understand that every word, thought and intention, though seemingly directed outward at another, or seemingly invested for a desired outcome for another, is in truth, really all (and always) a reflection of themselves (the 'horror', the intent for assistantiality or advice, and the sincerity of sharing, all are in truth kaleidoscopic reflections of the light from & within these beings, as it passes through the lenses of free will & expression).

But it is a reflection that is part of a gentle and powerful sharing, a connecting between and across consciousnesses, who have given their intention to do so. The listener, in recognizing, relating and connecting with  the ideas or concepts as conveyed by the words, are really connecting with these concepts within *themselves*, as they have chosen to understand these, or create it in their awareness.
 
This is important for the individual to recognize, for lucidity of this process (Clarification) returns (from illusion) empowerement and self-responsibility back to the soul, that each and every person, is certainly capable and responsible, for accepting or receiving what is offered or communicated, in a lucid way that is indeed truthful and helpful to the person him/herself, ie. in alignment, integration and co-creation with the person's own nature, free will, and evolution; and not one that is based on a so-called 'objective', limiting, separative, and fragmented view of reality (ie. that ideas from some other person outside the individual, can actually be *truly* attacking him/her in some way; to paraphrase, the false notion that one's worth, correctness or lovability, can be somehow dependent on, altered or reduced by the ideas, opinions, or perspectives of other beings), which is of course inherently meaningless, illusionary and invalid (as with all emotional suffering & upset, which stems from such).

No one else is ever responsible for (or can give to you without your agreement) your pain of suffering, your hurt of dissapointment, your tears of anger, your sorrowful heart, your temptation to hurt others out of hurt, your wasting or missing the chance to express your care & love for another being who looks to you with his/her tearful eyes; that's your job, your responsibility, your choice.

No one else is ever responsible for (or can choose for you to experience) your understanding & acceptance, your peace of heart, your courage to honour your dreams and your loved ones, your appreciation for the beauty of others and all beings, your shout of joy for sharing with all the universe, your willingness and intention to share your warmth, your company, your wisdom, your light, your love and indeed your very being, with another, with others around you, with all whom you contact, with all beings of the Cosmos.

No one outside of you, is responsible for all of this. Only one being can choose any, or all of this. And that being is You.

And your responsibility in *claiming* your free will, is the most important thing in your universe. GOD Him/HerSelf, is relying on each and every being, on You, for the very nature and outcome of His/Her experience. *You* can choose if God is happy or sad, hurt or accepted, unloved or loved. And at every moment, you are indeed choosing.

For who are You, but verily the very aspect of God that has chosen to experience reality, free will and love, as You.

 

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Remember, you are always the master of your own soul, the creator of your own nature, and the captain of your own destiny. This is always true, whether you are aware of it or not. If it does not matter to you, then that is your choice. And if it matters to you, then (by God) make it matter! For you have all your loved ones (who love you!), all of the Cosmos (so much!), and all of Eternity (so precious!), to love! Make it matter!

I am the captain of my soul....
yo no soy mariner....yo no soy mariner..soy capitan, soy capitan, soy capitan, bamba, bamba http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/boat.gif   Kyo.... :D   esta capitan 8) :D