As far back as I can remember, about the age of 4ish...was when this first happened......I can feel something that is 'REALLY BAD'.....or 'SCAREY-EVIL'....in my presence. Not all the time....and not generally on a regualar basis either.
It normally happens when I walk into a room....in my home, someone else's home...sometimes into a different place altogether..I get this overwhelming feeling that I am not alone...and that whatever it is, is really a bad thing. Like a demon or something...or bad ghost. It will make every hair on my body stand on end....and I can feel this source of evil, whatever it is, breathing at the back of my neck.
Sometimes this feeling is so strong and persistent that I am just too afraid to stay in the room any longer and I have to leave. It is really powerful. I have literally run from a room, looking behind me the whole way.
It's the worst thing ever to feel.
There are times too when I wake up in the night and I can feel this in the room. Boy...the lights go on fast.
And then....there are the times that I will sometimes wake up from sleep because I feel like there is a struggle going on inside for possession of my body and soul.....I can actually feel the struggle going on between my own soul and the offending one. Along with this, is that awful feeling again that there is something in the room with me.

I have gotten myself to the point where I can battle this while still sleeping...simply by telling this 'entity' if you will....to go away....and rebuke it in the name of Jesus....
This works great...
However.....I was just wondering if anyone else experiences stuff like this.....or maybe has an idea what this is all about.   ???

Read Spirit Releasement Therapy accounts on correctly dealing with DFEs (Dark Force Entities aka the demonic) :
Spirit Releasement Therapy - A Technique Manual
Healing Lost Souls - Releasing Unwanted Spirits From Your Energy Body
Freeing the Captives - The Emerging Therapy of Treating Spirit Attachment


Read on the technique of banishing a DFE in the name of Christ (to be used only on clear DFE cases, and not on extraphysical human souls or projected consciousnesses) :
http://infinity.hispeed.com/Heart.Of.God/Hilarion/DarkBrothers/index.htm

sssssssssssssssay what?  :o
Dark forces? Demonic?  :o :o
geeze...........well for one thing, now that I am completely freaked out....and secondly, I went to the site..and I can't read it even when enlarged, the print is too small. Or I am just too scared now.
Is this like possession attempts on me or something? And why me of all people?
oh dear...... :o

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I went to the site..and I can't read it even when enlarged, the print is too small.

If it's html text, you can adjust the size of the font (of *any* website) by clicking on (for Internet Explorer) "View" then "Text Size".

If it's the gif image file (the scanned excerpts) that you're referring to, it is a feature of Internet Explorer to automatically scaled down the size of any image that is larger than your screen resolution, to make it smaller to fit into your browser window. To view the page as it's actual size, to make it larger so you can read the words, all you have to do is, using your cursor, go to the bottom right of the image, wait for the 'maximize' icon to appear, and click on it.



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geeze...........well for one thing, now that I am completely freaked out....  Or I am just too scared now.  Is this like possession attempts on me or something? And why me of all people?

From your post, it seemed that you, like Freebird, Gordon Phinn and others, were already familiar with the existence of DFEs (demonic), as you had posted about your experience with using the name of Jesus Christ (Jesus was the name of the incarnation or the man, Christ refers to the Love aspect of God, Sananda ("Master")is the term of respect used as the name of the great being or energy who embodied the incarnation for the purpose of guiding humanity).

Not to worry, mystic_dreamer. I was only stating links to these materials for those interested in learning more about these matters. I never commented directly on your experience, or imply that there were any possession attempts on you.


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Is this like possession attempts on me or something? And why me of all people?

First of all, possession/attachment/intrusion is not at all uncommon. *Everyone* experiences these at some time or other, in varying degrees. It's nothing to be unduly worried about. It's a natural consequence of consciousnesses (both intraphysical and extraphysical) coexisting together in the same energy continuum.

So relax. You're not singled out. And you've nothing to be scared about. Fear (False Evidence Appearing As Real), is an illusion that is shattered with Love.


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*smile*

Regarding the 'demonic' or DFEs, the most helpful or correct attitude to take towards these (and related issues involving the 'darker forces', is (certainly) not one of fear, anger, hatred or loathing. These DFEs or the demonic, are simply (non-human) aspects of Creation that have been misled by illusion and turned away from their own spark of God within. They are equally beings of God.

William Baldwin writes :
"These errant dark beings are transformed by discovering the truth of what they are. They drop their illusion of darkness before returning to the Light, and the place they are taken by the Rescue Spirits of Light is safe, both for them and the Light. They are the prodigal sons of God. Witnessing the transformation of a demon can be deeply moving. Some observers have wept during such a session. It feels like a holy moment."


However, as far as the (untrained) human consciousness is involved, it may not be appropriate to direct PUL (Pure Unconditional Love) directly to the DFEs, or to connect with these in any emotional, mental or psychological level, *directly*.

However, Love is certainly always helpful, but it must be directed at the spark of God within the DFEs, rather than the shell of Darkness that the DFEs falsely identify their essence with. As Hilarion describes below, DFEs are able to twist and corrupt all human emotions and hence it is never advisable to attempt to deal directly with DFEs by yourself (as an individual human).

Hilarion on the "Dark Brothers" :
http://infinity.hispeed.com/Heart.Of.God/Hilarion/DarkBrothers/index.htm


In fact, if you (the reader) can put aside your False Evidence Appearing as Real (FEAR), and read the Spirit Releasement Therapy (SRT) accounts of how the DFEs are dealt with, you will clearly note, that the accounts are not horrifying, upsetting or vibrationally corrupting, that is, they are not born of fear based ideas or elements.

It is in fact, totally the contrary - the SRT sessions clearly explain that the only correct way to deal with these dark beings, is to work actively and completely with the Beings of Light, that is, Guides & Helpers, specialized de-intrusion Guides & Helpers, Angels and even ArchAngels (the extent of the level of assistance and help necessary, will naturally be determined by the level of the darkness or difficulty involved in the intrusion/attachment/possession).

Hence, the point of these Spirit Releasement Therapy books, and indeed, the point of all of these posts, is absolutely *NOT* to induce fear (so do *not* choose fear, but instead choose Love), to the contrary, it is to suggest to the reader, the possibility of strenghtening one's connection to the Beings of Light, ie. Guides & Helpers, Angels, Serenissimus, beings of the highest vibrations.

You are never alone without the company of the Beings of Light. If it seems this way at times, realize it is only in your human consciousness or awareness, that you have forgotten about them, your connection with them, and have thusly shut them out. But they have never left you, and never will.

Invite them back into your life, to be (connected) with you at every moment in your consciousness. They need your help, just as you need theirs. There is much, in terms of CosmoEthics, Evolution and Assistantiality, that all of you, all of us, together, can accomplish.


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In addition, there is one other thing you can do, to help yourself and even the intruder, in the event of an intrusion, or attempted attachment/possession.

That is the Vibrational State. I've described this briefly in the thread started by chris_francombe :
http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-afterlife-knowledge/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=afterlife_knowledge;action=display;num=1122381491

The Vibrational State is effective in all cases of intrusion, including extraphysical human blind guides, intrusive extraterrestrial consciousnesses/energies, as well as DFEs.

The Vibrational State helps not only yourself (the intruded), it also helps the intruder (especially human intruders including psychotic post mortems or ghosts). This is because of the raising of vibration that effectively prevents attempted attachment/possession (incompatible vibrational frequencies), and also offers (to some extent) the intruder an opportunity to release its/his/her own fear issues, and get a glimpse of higher awareness and possibilities.


Kyo

You know, what all the explorations and retrievals/contacts that I've done, I have never had any negative entities around me nor negative experiences. When I read about others experiences, I just wonder about it all. Of course I always use protection, i.e., surround myself with White Light, call down my I Am Presence and KNOW that I AM fully protected. Am I just one of the 'lucky' ones or what.

I know someone in another group who knows Robert Bruce personally (he went to her wedding) and she said she loves him dearly, BUT he thrives on negative contacts.

Kyo, you have a lot of knowledge about all things pertaining to spirit/afterlife, etc.  Maybe you can answer this for me.  Thanks so much.

With Love, Mairlyn

Mystic Dreamer,
sometimes when I go to sleep I feel fear of a polterghost or sth, and sometimes I feel there could be sth/someone in my room. I usually imaginate an energy shield or more then one and I imagine an explosion of intense white light in the center of my body, not hurting me because its my own light but pushing all bad guys and energies out of my room. And, additionally, I like to say "Go to the light!" which I think to be in the fence corner of my room. Also I use to think I'm made out of air, untouchable. And, finally, thinking about love, to love and being loved.
Imaginations are very powerful. Part of reality. I would not recommend to step too deep into that demon-banning-rituals (sorry Kyo) because that would mean to make the image of a demon strong and therefore to establish it and feed the fear. As I said, imaginations are powerful, the good or the bad way!
All the best, spooky

Hi MD and Kyo-

I'm sorry that Bill Balwin passed on, but he opened many doors through which he is still visible. However, as we read of "dark forces" and such, we must also remember that these are souls, fragments of the same God-stuff that forms all souls, but that they are misguided, and Baldwin was well aware of this. To say that love is inappropriate is like suggesting that when we find a demented or sick person we sould attack them.

I never met a spirit - spook - entity - demon or whatever that wasn't ultimately "stuck" in precisely the sense that Bruce describes when he describes soul retrieval. The way they hook on is by sharing emotional states and related ideas. When two beings share a state of mind, then with respect to that state of mind they are no longer discriminable. That means that with respect to that contingency, they are not different, hence appear to be one. The reason that they stay stuck is fear, and their fear is supported by ignorance.

In general, the more frightful the entity, the more that they need love. And with that love they need to be assisted to find their way out of whatever they fear, and back into the light of God, where they are always received like prodigal children.

Bruce gives lots of good advice about this. If you can jump into the astral and find your spook, go for it. My personal  practice involves people who are "possessed" (meaning that some kind of being is hitchhiking on them) and my approach is to strike up a conversation with the entity. "Hi, my name is Dave, what can I call you?"  After we get talking, I ask how come they are attached to this person, how long it has been since they had a body, what kinds of things are they concerned about etc. It's basic cognitive therapy for demons, if you will. Eventually we get around to "If you go into the Light, God will forgive you and assist you to fix everything." For the recalcitrant I often ask if they have friends in the Light to reach down to help, "Grab their hands." And once in a while I offer to allow them to ride around with me if they don't like it in the Light. (This is safe unless you feel guilt, or have committed an existential error that threatens your survival - a "motal sin".) That's like offering a thistle patch if they don't like the luxury of heaven.

I've got more on the subject on my site www.mind-body-spirit-hypnoclinic.com or if you want to get a professional to help, you might try www.iarrt.org for a  past life and spirit world therapist.

The bottom line is that we only attract spooks who can share our existing emotionall states and thoughts. If these seem negative, think positive and the negative part will go away. In any case, you needn't try to fight them off, the spooks need therapy, fighting them simply gives them your power. If you are truly haunted, Bruce's methods are a really good way to do some spiritual good by helping that spirit get unstuck and into the Light, and the haunting will stop.

It's close to my dinner time and I look forward to fighting off cholesterol by my customary two glasses of spirits.

dave

First of all, hello Dave. In my reply below, please note that I'm only responding to your points, and they are not meant to be personal. I understand you're a therapist yourself, and that you're doing good work in helping many intraphysical and extraphysical consciousnesses through your practice.
 
   
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I'm sorry that Bill Balwin passed on, but he opened many doors through which he is still visible.

Yes, William Baldwin has contributed much to humanity and the clinical community in his pioneering work in the field of Spirit Releasement Therapy, he has more than likely achieved existential completism, and his passing should be viewed by all only in Love, not sadness. His legacy to the world is tremendous. He is probably continuing his work on the extraphysical right now, lecturing and teaching in extraphysical courses.



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However, as we read of "dark forces" and such, we must also remember that these are souls, fragments of the same God-stuff that forms all souls, but that they are misguided, and Baldwin was well aware of this.

Firstly, that is what I had said, if you had read my post completely. DFEs have only been misled to falsely believe they do not have the spark of God within. Again, in case you missed it, I quoted William Baldwin as saying, ""These errant dark beings are transformed by discovering the truth of what they are. They drop their illusion of darkness before returning to the Light, and the place they are taken by the Rescue Spirits of Light is safe, both for them and the Light. They are the prodigal sons of God. Witnessing the transformation of a demon can be deeply moving. Some observers have wept during such a session. It feels like a holy moment."

Note, however, that DFEs were never human souls. William Baldwin (and others) were well aware of this. This is one misconception some harbour, that DFEs ('demonic') are human souls or psychotic post mortems ('ghosts'). Then there is nested attachment/intrusion, in which, for eg. DFEs attach to an ET which attach to a human psychotic post mortem which attach to an intraphysical ('living') human being. This is only a simplified, linear scenario, of course in reality it is often much compounded.



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To say that love is inappropriate is like suggesting that when we find a demented or sick person we sould attack them.

Incorrect, on three counts.

(On the first count)
Love is always appropriate for the spark of God within *all* beings, but innappropriate for (ie. to be beamed directly at) the shell of darkness which strong, intelligent, 'high level', DFEs (the demonic 'bosses') have manifested as. It is of course but a shadow of illusion of their true nature, which is God, but it is nonetheless the role (of 'darkness') that they are manifesting.

Hence, the Love must be directed at the spark of God within, not the 'shell/role of darkness'. However, it can be dangerous and unwise for the intraphysical human with limited consciential capacities and intelligence, to properly distinguish between the two, and (if the DFE is strong and highly intelligent), the human consciousness may be tricked and the attempted projected energies (even that of PUL or love) may be warped and manipulated.

It's *not* a case of "Love not being able to overcome Darkness", it's a case of limited human capacity when dealing with something larger and beyond one's league, making it wiser to call upon specialists, and being a facilitator rather than 'solo hero'.


(On the second count)
When you find a sick or demented person, you must care for them accordingly. For a sick person, you offer medical assistance. For a demented person, you offer psychological assistance. Either way, you do not attack them, just as you do not attack psychotic post mortem human souls, or even DFEs (demonic). With the former, you counsel them (clinical psychology), with the latter, you engage the assistance of specialized guides, helpers and angels who have the (consciential and energetic) capacity to deal with these, rather than acting ('solo hero') on your own.

In other words, it is the APPROPRIATENESS of action per situation that must be considered. Different types of beings must be helped, and loved, in slightly different ways.

 
(on the third count)
In none of these cases above, do you *ever* 'attack' them. In fact, to try to psychically 'attack' a DFE ('demonic') is simply suicidal and totally counterproductive. It is like becoming evil to 'fight' evil, it simply doesn't work.

Note that in none of my posts, nor in William Baldwin's work, is there ever any suggestion of 'attacking' DFEs. You proceed to assist them, APPROPRIATELY. This means firstly, not having any direct consciential connection with them (so don't try to beam anything to them, or engage them directly at any emotional or psychological level), which is dangerous for the (limited capacity) human consciousness, not for the DFE consciousness (if it is a strong, 'high level' one.)

Secondly, it means asking for the appropriate assistance to proceed with the assistance given to not only the DFE, as well as the intruded/possessed at all levels of the (usually nested) intrusion, all the way to the intraphysical human subject. But the DFE will have to be *released* first. This is not 'attacking' the DFE, it is releasing it from it's possessee, it's captives (network of darkness), and/or it's own darkness that is misled illusion about it's own God nature.

And for this assistance, specialized guides, helpers and angels may have to be called in, (depending on the level of the DFE involved).

So remember, never 'attack' anything, only give love and assistance, but in an APPROPRIATE manner that most effectively helps all.



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I never met a spirit - spook - entity - demon or whatever that wasn't ultimately "stuck" in precisely the sense that Bruce describes when he describes soul retrieval. The way they hook on is by sharing emotional states and related ideas. When two beings share a state of mind, then with respect to that state of mind they are no longer discriminable. That means that with respect to that contingency, they are not different, hence appear to be one. The reason that they stay stuck is fear, and their fear is supported by ignorance. In general, the more frightful the entity, the more that they need love. And with that love they need to be assisted to find their way out of whatever they fear, and back into the light of God, where they are always received like prodigal children. My personal  practice involves people who are "possessed" (meaning that some kind of being is hitchhiking on them) and my approach is to strike up a conversation with the entity. "Hi, my name is Dave, what can I call you?"  After we get talking, I ask how come they are attached to this person, how long it has been since they had a body, what kinds of things are they concerned about etc. It's basic cognitive therapy for demons, if you will. Eventually we get around to "If you go into the Light, God will forgive you and assist you to fix everything." For the recalcitrant I often ask if they have friends in the Light to reach down to help, "Grab their hands." And once in a while I offer to allow them to ride around with me if they don't like it in the Light. (This is safe unless you feel guilt, or have committed an existential error that threatens your survival - a "motal sin".) That's like offering a thistle patch if they don't like the luxury of heaven.

For the rest of your post, you are describing scenarios not involving DFEs, but involving human psychotic post mortems ('ghosts'). It is exactly as I had said, you assist *accordingly* to the situation as needed. It seems that in your use of the term "demon" in your post above, you may have incorrectly labelled a human consciousness as DFE (but I understand you probably wrote thusly only for the sake of this discussion, and not in your clinical practice).

This is one area of concern that some lightworkers and soul retrievers have - how do we know if it is a human psychotic post mortem we're dealing with, or an Extraterrestrial, or a DFE, etc?

First off, intrusion/attachment/possession is almost always a nested one. In clinical practice, you would have to treat (counsel) each of these at separate levels, accordingly and in the correct order. Never assume all intruders are humans, nor assume all intruders are DFEs.

There is little risk of a wrong diagnosis, once you have opened yourself to the greater possibilities (that you may be dealing with this, or that, or both), rather than with simplistic bias, pre-judge everything you're dealing with as one category or other (eg. intrusion/attachment/possession is about human souls only, or about demons only).

And most importantly, for all lightworkers, but *especially* for clinical Spirit Releasement Therapists, one needs to be actively working with the guides & helpers at all times. Guides & Helpers are a generic, collective term, that encompasses both your personal group of guides, as well as non-prsonal specialist helpers called in to assist in the situation for which they have the specialized skills or capacities to assist or be involved in. The direct assistance of Angels and even ArchAngels, may often be needed in difficult cases of Spirit Releasement Therapy, involving DFEs.

The Lightworker, whether the Spirit Releasement Therapist, Soul Retriever, etc, is never designed to be a 'solo hero'. Each intraphysical human individual, is meant to be a minicog within a multidimensional, interconsciential, interpersonal, assistantial maximechanism, always involving teams of many guides & helpers, in all assistantial projects we undertake, including Spirit Releasement Therapy.

Hence, in lieu of this bigger picture, the therapist is only to facilitate the guides & helpers, to help and to release, the human psychotic post mortem, or the DFE. On our (intraphysical human's) part then, we only can do what is intelligently appropriate, and we only can offer assistance and our love the best we can, to all beings as appropriate.


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I would not recommend to step too deep into that demon-banning-rituals (sorry Kyo) because that would mean to make the image of a demon strong and therefore to establish it and feed the fear.

That is correct. First of all, 'demon-banishing-rituals' as attempted by occultists and magick practitioners (such as the 'Banishing Rituals of the Pentagram'), are ineffective at worst and uncompassionate at best. Hence, it is the more enlightened Spirit Releasement Therapy, that needs to be used in dealing with, releasing and freeing DFEs from their own (self-constructed) darkness. Similary with human psychotic post mortems ('ghosts').

As for the point of imagination and fear, of the Demonic, implying that discussing about the demonic breeds fear and thus does more harm than good.

There are two ways to go about doing this. You can tell pple there are no such things as demons and forces of darkness, just as you can tell a kid there's no such thing as terrorism, genocide, rape and torture in this world. This would prevent the kid from being overly disturbed, so in many circumstances, yes it would be the helpful thing to do.

However, from the viewpoint of the guides & helpers, who clearly understand and work with all aspects of reality in a calm, intelligent, cosmoethical and loving way, there is no reason to be upset by the existence of Darkness, of DFEs, or of anything for that matter. Unlike the dogmatic religious conscientially comatose individual, whose has mistakenly based his entire philosophical existence on an overly simple premise of "If evil exists, then God must be weak! this is illogical! omg, my universe is collapsing!!!"

Rather, the guides & helper understand things without emotional coloured lenses or beliefs. 'Evil' and 'Good' do not really exist on their own, of course. By the Theory/Principle/Law of Relativity (an aspect of which was brought to humanity's awareness by the being who incarnated as Einstein), *everything* in this Cosmos is relative.

And *ALL* Beings in the Cosmos, in all realities and alternate realities, are all expressions of the One, that we know as God.

So the Guides & Helpers do not foolishly waste time on lamenting, "Oh no! There are aspects of Creation that have been misled into thinking they are Darkness, and thus have manifested a shadow of themselves as the 'Demonic'! This is most appalling!"

Rather, motivated only by love, and never by fear, hatred or anger, they intelligently focus on *what they can do*, to assist these beings, and all beings, in the Cosmos. This is the CosmoEthics.

And Spirit Releasement Therapy, is one of these para-sciences based on a cosmoethic premise, to assist all beings, including DFEs, in the most appropriate, loving manner.

We, the intraphysical humans, should do the same. Understand the *TRUE* meaning of DFEs and the Demonic, and you will understand there is nothing to fear, there is only something to assist.


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You know, what all the explorations and retrievals/contacts that I've done, I have never had any negative entities around me nor negative experiences. When I read about others experiences, I just wonder about it all. Of course I always use protection, i.e., surround myself with White Light, call down my I Am Presence and KNOW that I AM fully protected. Am I just one of the 'lucky' ones or what.  I know someone in another group who knows Robert Bruce personally (he went to her wedding) and she said she loves him dearly, BUT he thrives on negative contacts. Kyo, you have a lot of knowledge about all things pertaining to spirit/afterlife, etc.  Maybe you can answer this for me.  Thanks so much. With Love, Mairlyn

First of all, about Robert Bruce, yes, that is his existential program. He has chosen a ROLE (just like the various specialists in their respective fields, just like the many religions and dogmatic faiths, just like the aspects of 'darkness' such as DFEs, these are all roles), the purpose of which is to spread awareness of the 'supernatural' or the mutidimensional reality of the Cosmos. And if he choses his path (which span many lifetimes), to involve engaging in psychic combat with 'Negs' (Negative Entities, as he has generically termed them), then it is his choice.

You see, there isn't a 'right' or 'wrong'. All of the various pioneers and specialists in their respective fields, including William Bladwin, Bruce Moen, Robert Bruce, Michael Newton, William Buhlman, Waldo Viera and Wagner Alegretti, etc, all of these individuals will have their own unique perspective on what needs to be done, how best to go about doing this.

Does it mean that only one of them can be correct, the rest are somehow wrong? Certainly not, all of them are equally correct, and all of them have contributed *much* to humanity, both intraphysical and extraphysical, in their own ways as they have chosen it.

Therefore, (all of us) do not judge Robert Bruce for his love of combating Negs. Focus on your own path, your own existential program, what *you* are choosing for *yourself*. This is the correct meaning of *self-responsibility*.

(And not 'self-liability', as FreeBird seems to choose to see it. Nobody judges anyone, nobody needs to 'answer' for anything, to anyone. We all only need to maximize our opportunities to carry our assistantiality to the best of our capacity, because it is the nature of our Love to do so).




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You know, what all the explorations and retrievals/contacts that I've done, I have never had any negative entities around me nor negative experiences. When I read about others experiences, I just wonder about it all.

Just as there's no meaningful purpose for a physicist engineer to have to perform heart surgery in his work, similarly, all of us have specialized roles of lightwork in this current reality. This applies to both intraphysicals and extraphysicals (including the Guides & Helpers, the Angels and ArchAngels, and even the Ascended Masters and Serenissimus).

Marilyn, when you read other people's experiences, remember that everything is relative and that everyone is only communicating his/her perspective AND that what you receive from his/her words, are only what you can, or have chosen to, meaningfully receive (not necessarily what he/she conceptualized).

Thus, do not 'wonder about' the illusionary 'objective truth' of what other people say, rather, apply Byron Katie's Inquiry Process of Clarification, understand of their words IN ANY WAY THAT IS PERSONALLY MEANINGFUL AND HELPFUL TO YOU, that adds to your own Clarificaion, that adds to your own Love, that allows you to teach *yourself* more about your own nature, that supports your own evolution and capacity to help others. That is all, that needs to be done. Self-Responsibility.


Take care ;)
Kyo

Thanks so much Kyo. I understand what you're saying. I can't say that I haven't run across negative things happening in retrievels, as I have. I've been shot by Arabs in a prison camp in Afghanistan, etc., but I've never had anything scary or 'spooky' for me nor any spirit attachments that I'm aware of.  BTW, the Arab that shot me also went with the refugees to Focus 27. ;-)  

You're so right.........I am choosing for myself. ;-)

Love, Mairlyn

wrote on Jul 27^th, 2005 at 9:51pm:

from the viewpoint of the guides & helpers, who clearly understand and work with all aspects of reality in a calm, intelligent, cosmoethical and loving way, there is no reason to be upset by the existence of Darkness, of DFEs, or of anything for that matter. Unlike the dogmatic religious conscientially comatose individual, whose has mistakenly based his entire philosophical existence on an overly simple premise of "If evil exists, then God must be weak! this is illogical! omg, my universe is collapsing!!!"

Kyo,

It is not wrongheaded to say that if there is a God, and little or nothing is being done to solve the problem of evil in the universe, then that is a serious threat to the concept of a benevolent and all-powerful Deity.  Christians, for example, believe that eventually God will completely solve the problem of evil.  New Agers, on the other hand, seem to believe that God either is too weak or not benevolent enough to ever really fix the problem -- hence, the constant neverending problem of demons, ghosts or "psychotic post mortems," etc.  Christians believe, based on the Bible, that Jesus has the power *at any moment he chooses* to release *any soul he chooses* from a demon or a negative spirit.  So, the logical extension of this idea is that eventually, at some point, all souls will be released, since Jesus is a benevolent being with the power to accomplish his good intentions.

It's not a simpleminded or "mistaken" attitude, as you seem to think.  It's a belief that gives a lot of comfort to billions of people, and actually makes a lot of sense if one is an optimist about God and the universe.


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Rather, the guides & helper understand things without emotional coloured lenses or beliefs. 'Evil' and 'Good' do not really exist on their own, of course.

So are you saying that these beings feel no compassion, love, and desire to help souls who need help and to correct the problem of evil?  Because if they are emotionless and do not consider anything absolutely good or evil then that's what it would mean.  In other words, they wouldn't give a damn.


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So the Guides & Helpers do not foolishly waste time on lamenting, "Oh no! There are aspects of Creation that have been misled into thinking they are Darkness, and thus have manifested a shadow of themselves as the 'Demonic'! This is most appalling!"

I certainly hope you are wrong!  They *should* feel bad about it, and actively work to do something about it.  That's called love and compassion.  If they are really higher beings, then they should feel *more* of these feelings than we do, not less.


wrote on Jul 27^th, 2005 at 9:51pm:

Rather, motivated only by love, and never by fear, hatred or anger, they intelligently focus on *what they can do*, to assist these beings, and all beings, in the Cosmos. This is the CosmoEthics.

Without negative feelings and judgments that "X is bad" and "X should instead be Y," nobody would ever actually do anything to change things.  In other words, there would be no motivation.  What motivates people to help others who are suffering?  It's mainly that we feel empathy -- we *feel their pain* and therefore we want to help them, so that they should no longer feel that pain.  Empathy (compassion) and making moral judgments of good versus evil (seeing that something is "bad" and needs to be changed) is necessary as a motivation for positive action.  I certainly do not think the angels and spirit guides are some kind of emotionless robotic beings who sit around all the time basking in their own pleasant feelings, never allowing themselves to empathize (feel negative emotions of others) so that they would do something to correct the problems in the universe.


wrote on Jul 27^th, 2005 at 9:51pm:

Focus on your own path, your own existential program, what *you* are choosing for *yourself*. This is the correct meaning of *self-responsibility*. (And not 'self-liability', as FreeBird seems to choose to see it. Nobody judges anyone, nobody needs to 'answer' for anything, to anyone. We all only need to maximize our opportunities to carry our assistantiality to the best of our capacity, because it is the nature of our Love to do so).

Whether you speak of judgment by an external being such as a god, or judgment internally -- and whether you accept or reject the concept of "self-liability" -- the point remains the same: there are some things that are not under a person's free will control.  My point was that those things should not be used as a way of determining that one soul will suffer and another soul will not suffer, in the afterlife.  In other words, what happens to us after we die must proceed in a logical, just and orderly fashion, as controlled by the Creator of the universe, rather than a capricious process in which souls find themselves stuck in vicious cycles of hellish torment not of their own choosing or making.  As a believer in Jesus Christ, I affirm the optimistic hope that no soul will ever be punished for something that it did not voluntarily choose that was evil.  Whether the punishment/suffering comes automatically or through the direct agency of a God, is basically irrelevant.  The issue is, do people suffer unjustly in the afterlife?  If so, then we can conclude that the beings Upstairs don't *really* care about justice and really don't have much love and compassion, or else that they do not have very much power and there is no omnipotent benevolent Deity.  As a Christian, I reject those possibilities and affirm that they do have true love, compassion, empathy, and the power and will to help all souls who need help -- if not in this life, than certainly in the next.

Peace,
Freebird

Freebird,

I'm replying here, not to your points, but to your person (in interesting contrast to say, my previous reply to Dave! But nothing more to this, to either Dave or Freebird. Just an amusing self-observation).

As to your points, it's obvious you have your perspective, and I have mine. Which is exactly as it should be. Every Being in All Creation, aka the Cosmos, is afterall meant to be a unique expression of God, an opportunity for God to experience uniqueness in all infinite possible diversity, as all Beings simultaneously. Hence it is good, and equally correct, the existence of varying perspectives.

Thus, it will not be necessary to reply to your points. We agree to disagree.


Replying to your person then, I only wish to say that, it has not escaped my observation that your intentions as expressed by your posts and discussions, are clearly sincere and amiable. Unlike some (eg. on other internet forums) who take things personally and get all offensive and such, I recognize that your effort to share your views, to discuss matters, are clearly compassionate and sincere. And you remain respectably amicable throughout.

Recognized and appreciated. Peace,
Kyo

Hi Mystic,

Yes, I have experience these types of "entities" at different times in life.  I believe there were terrible negative "entities" controlling my experiences at times when I was young, in my teens and twenties.  It was a lonely battle sometimes.  I was also surrounded by amazing light much of the time, which countered this.  I believe that I was able to "leave" these entities behind by spending a great deal of time focused on positive readings, music, prayer and meditation.

These days I sometimes feel momentarily overwhelmed by negative thoughts at night or when deeply tired.  It is best to do as you do, to wrap yourself in your most comforting prayers and images.  

You are doing right by doing as your Jesus did on the boat in the tempest tossed.  There is no need to fear our perceptions because we will always move through them.  We have the power to do so, and we have helpers at hand, always.

love, blink

Kyo, thanks a lot for sharing your knowledge!


Freebird wrote:
"I certainly hope you are wrong!  They *should* feel bad about it, and actively work to do something about it.  That's called love and compassion.  If they are really higher beings, then they should feel *more* of these feelings than we do, not less."

Feeling bad is not helping anyone. If you don't get affected by someones bad feelings you can help much more effectively.

Freebird wrote:
"In other words, what happens to us after we die must proceed in a logical, just and orderly fashion, as controlled by the Creator of the universe, rather than a capricious process in which souls find themselves stuck in vicious cycles of hellish torment not of their own choosing or making."

The creator of the universe created also the earth. So I would not bet much on it that in the afterlife everything is in "orderly fashion". It's just another viewpoint on God's creation over there (if not stuck in an thoughtform environment).

Freebird wrote:
"Without negative feelings and judgments that "X is bad" and "X should instead be Y," nobody would ever actually do anything to change things.  In other words, there would be no motivation.  What motivates people to help others who are suffering?  It's mainly that we feel empathy -- we *feel their pain* and therefore we want to help them, so that they should no longer feel that pain.  Empathy (compassion) and making moral judgments of good versus evil (seeing that something is "bad" and needs to be changed) is necessary as a motivation for positive action."

Mind the difference of the *moralic: good and evil, and the *just stated good and bad. The first pair is related to a person's pureness or guiltiness (i.e. "you failed"), the second is related to a situation, being well or discomfortly, only focused on the neutral what's-going-on and how to effectively change s.th. to greater welfare. Empathy in the meaning of having a sense for how a different person than yourself ist thinking and feeling is a very good tool for helping s.b. but not in the meaning the word "compassion" implies, to carry each others load, that doesn't work for psychic/spiritual loads.

Hope that makes any sense, spooky

wrote on Jul 28^th, 2005 at 4:29pm:

We agree to disagree.

That's fine.  I just thought I'd inject some of my own thoughts into this thread.  Not really trying to win an argument or anything, just give another perspective.


wrote on Jul 28^th, 2005 at 4:29pm:

Replying to your person then, I only wish to say that, it has not escaped my observation that your intentions as expressed by your posts and discussions, are clearly sincere and amiable. Unlike some (eg. on other internet forums) who take things personally and get all offensive and such, I recognize that your effort to share your views, to discuss matters, are clearly compassionate and sincere. And you remain respectably amicable throughout. Recognized and appreciated. Peace, Kyo

Thanks, Kyo.  I try to disagree philosophically without making things personal, whenever I can.  I don't always succeed in that goal, but I certainly try.  My motivation for expressing disagreement on a forum such as this one is that I seem to be at a place in my own spiritual journey where I have gone from fundamentalist Christianity to a mixture of New Age ideas and Christian ideas, and I feel that such a synthesis is closer to the truth than either one on its own.  As I'm sure you know, my biggest objection to the New Age or Spiritualist teachings is that I believe it downplays the power of God and absolute truth and justice and gives too much emphasis to the individual mind, free will, and a solipsistic isolation within one's personal reality.  My own view is that the Christian teachings resolve some of the philosophical dilemmas that are left unresolved by the New Age perspective, such as the conflict between free will and Divine omnipotence, and the problem of evil.  I'm sure my views are a very small minority here.  I only wish to raise a few points that I think would be useful for those here to consider, while at the same time I learn a lot from people here such as yourself who have a different way of looking at things than I do.

Peace,
Freebird

wrote on Jul 28^th, 2005 at 6:02pm:

Feeling bad is not helping anyone. If you don't get affected by someones bad feelings you can help much more effectively.

But without the bad feelings, would you even help at all?  For example, the main reason people donate money to starving kids in Africa is that they constantly see the TV commercials showing kids that look like skeletons with flies crawling all over their skin, and they feel a surge of horror and sadness, and it is those negative emotions that motivates them to write a check to their favorite charity.


wrote on Jul 28^th, 2005 at 6:02pm:

Empathy in the meaning of having a sense for how a different person than yourself ist thinking and feeling is a very good tool for helping s.b. but not in the meaning the word "compassion" implies, to carry each others load, that doesn't work for psychic/spiritual loads.

Are you sure about that?  In many New Age or Spiritualist teachings, there is the idea that a being must "lower its vibration" to a similar level as a being who is suffering, in order to help that being to raise their vibration to a higher level to move beyond the suffering.  By lowering one's vibration to reach a suffering soul, one is actually going to feel what they feel to some extent, i.e. their negative "psychic/spiritual load" as you put it.  From what I have read, especially from NDEs and the quantum physics theory of a Holographic Universe, there seems to be no way to actually reach a soul on a particular level or interact with it, unless one is willing to participate in their feelings, thoughts, emotions, and enter their reality.  That's because in the afterlife, everything is interconnected.  One cannot even think a thought privately, since souls have telepathic abilities.

In light of these ideas, I think it makes more sense to believe that if any higher being wants to help a suffering entity, the higher being would have to feel some bad feelings of the suffering entity in order to reach that entity's reality and participate in it, so as to help move them out of it and to a higher level.  This idea of "sharing the burden," so to speak, is even found very strongly in Christianity, with the idea of God becoming Christ and descending into the realm of flesh as the man Jesus, voluntarily taking upon himself the sins of the world (i.e. all the suffering of mankind), so as to help free us from this psycho-spiritual burden of negative vibes.  The Cross is the ultimate symbol of the way things work in the universe: a higher being must *take on* the negative vibes in order to remove it from somebody else.  For example, an energy healer often must feel the symptoms of the disease of the sick person, while removing the sickness.  Then the healer goes to the Light to remove the bad vibes from him or herself.  There is no way around sharing somebody else's pain/suffering/burden if one wants to help.  That principle surely applies not only in this world but the next.

I have written an article about the Cross as a symbol for God's willingness to feel our pain and share our burden to lighten our load:

God's Love Can Never Fail: The True Meaning of the Cross of Christ
http://www.christian-universalism.com/articles/love-cross.html

Some here might find it an interesting read, since it touches upon some of these issues about how true love, empathy, and compassion requires participation in another's suffering.

Peace,
Freebird

Freebird wrote:
"But without the bad feelings, would you even help at all?  For example, the main reason people donate money to starving kids in Africa is that they constantly see the TV commercials showing kids that look like skeletons with flies crawling all over their skin, and they feel a surge of horror and sadness, and it is those negative emotions that motivates them to write a check to their favorite charity."

Yes, that's true! Every action is founded finally in some sort of feeling (and empathy is needed to get that feeling) and not in some rational ethic system. My point is, not to go into it, like if someone always had this picture of people suffering from hunger before his eyes, imagining how that suffering must feel etc. Personally, I often get s.th. like a little hit on my solarplexus while I'm noticing things are going wrong and I had to s.th. But I try to not go into s.o.s bad feelings, more seeing there ARE bad feelings, there IS suffering, but viewing it from a distance and keep a clear mind; I know it out of my own experiences, in times when I was having all the terrible things on my mind which are going on here on earth I became so depressed, totally down, moaning and charging god so that I couldn't help anyone, finally I needed help for myself coming out of my pain-pit. Think of an emergency doctor who has every day the worst cases of wounded people right in front of his eyes, he must quit his job going into each person's suffering. That means not to be cold, just to stay clean and healthy for yourself which is automatically helpful for everyone who is in contact with a balanced-positive person.

Freebird wrote:
"In many New Age or Spiritualist teachings, there is the idea that a being must "lower its vibration" to a similar level as a being who is suffering, in order to help that being to raise their vibration to a higher level to move beyond the suffering." "From what I have read, especially from NDEs and the quantum physics theory of a Holographic Universe, there seems to be no way to actually reach a soul on a particular level or interact with it, unless one is willing to participate in their feelings, thoughts, emotions, and enter their reality.  That's because in the afterlife, everything is interconnected.  One cannot even think a thought privately, since souls have telepathic abilities."

In some retrievals I've done (or was it just fantasy? Still wondering...) I "knew" somehow what has happened to a person I met and I went sometimes in the feelings of this persons what can be overwhelming; the trick is to say to yourself "OK, I know what's up here" and not further tune into it. For being sensitive about other people's feelings it might be helpful to have made similar experiences on your own in the past (maybe in this, maybe in an other lifetime) so that you know what it's all about which doesn't mean to go through it again. In fact, without having an impression of an other person there is no contact with it, but to make an other's situation to your own sounds not a good idea to me. So, that "lowering vibration" thing might be something for very skilled beings, not for me; besides, there is the theory that retrievers which are still incarnated are of good use for the light workers out there because they have this "earthy vibrations" which are better perceivable for some stuck persons than the higher ones of the light beings.

Freebird wrote:
"This idea of "sharing the burden," so to speak, is even found very strongly in Christianity"
Yeah, I know, that's what I meant with "carry each other's load", English is not my first language, as you might have noticed :-)

Freebird wrote:
"For example, an energy healer often must feel the symptoms of the disease of the sick person, while removing the sickness.  Then the healer goes to the Light to remove the bad vibes from him or herself.  There is no way around sharing somebody else's pain/suffering/burden if one wants to help.  That principle surely applies not only in this world but the next."
I think there is an argument between two parties of healers: The one claims your opinion, the other one thinks that it is NOT necessary to feel the patient's feelings. But I'm not an expert, though I try to become...


Maybe I will read your article in the future Freebird, for now bye or nice dreams (it's five o'clock in the morning!!!)!

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I certainly hope you are wrong!  They *should* feel bad about it, and actively work to do something about it.  That's called love and compassion.

Actually, no. Feeling 'bad' is always based on false beliefs. And it is entirely separate from love and compassion.

The guides, helpers, angels, ascended masters and Serenissimus feel only compassion and love, and act on this 100% of the time by helping the most number of beings in the most beneficial way, that they understand from their perspective and are capable of (ie. CosmoEthics).

No percentage of their energy is wasted on negative emotions (of guilt, sorrow, sadness, pain, suffering, all stemming from *unforgiveness*), which by its very definition, creates negative karma, is counterproductive and unloving (unforgiving).

Can you picture <insert name of Ascended master here> rolling on the floor in overwhelming misery, being profoundly crippled by unassuageable guilt and feeling devastatingly awwwwful about everything? There are literally *countless* worlds, galaxies, universes and alternate realities where *all* possibilities imaginable are simultaneously occurring (manifesting and evolving). That's a hell lot to feel miserable about... but only if you have false ideas of what 'should' be, instead of *what you can do to help*.



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But without the bad feelings, would you even help at all? it is those negative emotions that motivates them to write a check to their favorite charity.

No, it is compassion and love (that drives people to help). Those who do it out of guilt, do so only because they are still suffering under false, limiting ideas of reality.

Could you imagine that the great Religious/Ascended masters tirelessly carry out their endless work, helping and teaching entire civilizations and worlds, do so out of guilt, rather than love?


I have previously written on this issue (of evolving beyond the human need for suffering; inevitable for everyone, so why not start sooner?) in a previous post, as well as a recent post just yesterday :


(Earlier Post) Byron Katie and the Clarification Process :
http://infinity.hispeed.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1117041145


(Recent Post) Ew69's discussion on Clarification & Karma
http://infinity.hispeed.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1122526731
 
 
(Ancient Post) Serenissimus - Freedom from Suffering :
http://infinity.hispeed.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1113602332#3

Hello everyone! Sorry....I haven't been able to particiapte very much since starting this thread....it's been a busy and crazy past few days.
And now I am just way too pooped out to even think, let alone try to respond at all.   :)
I just wanted to say that there has been awesome feedback on this topic! Much of it isn't really sinking in right now....fried brain....oh, and not from any indulgence of sorts!!.....just drained.
I will have a few things to say over the next day or so.......but...just wanted to say 'thanks guys!'......there's lots of reading for me to do!  ;D

The firs time I read Mystic Dreamer's post, I was thinking that calling something the supernatural and the effects must certainly bepersonal and that there are things that couldbe called supernatural that are positive, or at least neutral...like coincidences that turn out to be just incredible and good rather than the bad coincidences, like two cars trying to be in the same 3D space at the same time....(well ok drivers but it's more fun to pretend it's the cars)...do we call it "trancendent" when it is "good" and "supernatural" when it is "bad"?

Anyway, I don't usually feel like I have something breathing down my neck, and if I am scared, it is usually fear of the Possibility of such an occurrence rather than an actuality.

Then again there is always the distinction between what is literal and what is symbolic to consider, my pea brain being firmly rotoed in this physical reality, though my intellect keeps saying that it all has to ultimately be symbolic....like it's all one big mobius strip and only looks like it has two sides.

So last night it was late I was particularly tired, thought about getting up before dawn (4:30 or 5) to go walk in the woods somewhere but decided to not set the alarm. I was in this dream that I can't recall the details of. These situations just don't translate to what I do in "real" life. But there was something like a ceremony with set actions going to happen. I do think there was something bad involved. So we get into this ceremony and this guy starts to get in the way, I don't know where he comes from but he has his face around my hands and starts to put my fingers in his mouth and I perceive him as bad. I was startled enough to start saying that that was inappropriate thing to do, and I start to come back to this conciousness. When I do, I pass through what I refer to as the array space. I am talking at that point about wanting to choose love and that is my choice.This goes on for a while. When I am basically awake in my room, the sensations linger...the bad things, and I think of these posts, and choosing love , and the "trailers" of the array space. And I think about this, didn't reach for the light, but I did check the clock (it was 4:30) set it and went back to sleep.

The array space. Well, a bunch of years ago, after I read Monroe's Journeys..., I had some free time and I spent a bit of it trying to induce a full-fledged OOBE. I just about did and it scared the beejeesis out of me, so I quit trying and when I went back, couldn't get the same results. I got vibrations that felt like I stuck my finger in an electrical outlet and ringing (or trains) in my ears and I got the paralysis (the real fear factor for me) and I had many strange dreams and I got alot of visual stuff that I call the array space. I like the array space but I don't like the other side of it. being in the array space is like being in a 3-D computer screen and having screen-saver vivd colors all around you in beautiful patterns...flowers ..people..random shapes, but there is a sense of being inside a crystal array to me.

Well do I have a personal Voldemort somewhere or is my personal Voldemort a part of me..where do I get this stuff? I could make up stories to go with this that symbolically relate to my life (too personal here!) but the literalist in me also wants to understand. Where did I go and what was I doing there? And I "got out" this time, but next time? [though if I didn't get out immediately, i might have some interesting stories...] Some of you never experience this kind of stuff. I obviously have something in me to confront.

It is not easy to remember to project PUL because my mind there doesn't wor the way it does here.

So as an afterthought, I slept through the alarm and until the phone rang.My mom. Wasn't a good mood. I did try to bring up some things she doesn't like to talk about. The only relevance is that I came here and read Marilyn's post in Retreivals on her mom, and Alysia's and Jean's replies. Sometimes I have felt in a funny symbolic way that my mother is one of my Voldemorts. But that doesn't completely explain my 'dream.'

So does anyone know, is there any explanation from physics or Saul Paul Sirag or metaphysics for the space I pass through as described in the dream in the above post?

Hi Kyo-

Bill was a minister and thus was involved in the "good and evil thing", that to me is a matter of confusion. Thus his "dark forces" equate to me as "egocentricity and error" and so on. But in sum, I think that we are in basic agreement that the solution is to love and nurturance of the God-ness, so that the rest of the ssue can fade away. (Like supportive nursing of the ill etc.) I have the feeling that we're dealing wth terminology, not basic concepts. But you're right that I've never worked with anything that was an organized intelligence other than the spiritual leftovers from a "dead being" (because they weren't all people from here).  Shakuntala Modi has claimed to cure schizophrenics by working with demons per se, but I've never encountered one, nor have I been able to replicate her results.  Perhaps I need more experience. On the other hand, I have been directly aware of abstract spiritual beings, but I have never met them in a demonic role.

Lucy - if you sense a consistent inner space, your "array space", then it would stand to reason that you are sensing a stable location in which you find yourself. I'd be interested in a more detailed description, since I too have a consistent "place" that seems to recur for me.

d

Hi Dave,

Yes, we are in agreement, certainly. As to the concept of the demonic, all that's needed, is to be open to the possibility that there can be aspects of consciousnesses (usually non-human in origin) that have become so warped (due to the deception that they have no Light/God within), that they manifest an illusion of a 'shadow/shell/cloak' of darkness, so dark in nature, that it goes way beyond the realm of the human psyche. The darkness becomes as a 'non-alive' computer virus, rather than the soul of the person who wrote it (eg. out of bitterness).

This possibility, however, does not (need to) actually violate or alter any fundamental concepts that most Soul Retrievers and Therapists are already comfortable with, such as the healing power of Pure Unconditional Love. It just needs a bit of intelligent tweaking, ie. Would it be appropriate to send love to the computer virus, which has the programming capacity to misuse and abuse even love energy sent to it, and further its own dark intentions?

Or would it more correct/accurate/to-the-point, to instead send love to the soul of the person who created the computer virus, who upon contact, realizes that the bitterness he felt was in fact based upon false beliefs (see work of Byron Katie - *all* emotional suffering is based upon false beliefs), and the darkness is 'turned', the newly emerged being returns home to the Light of clarity and love, and dismantles the computer virus, which was never 'real' in the first place.


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(what follows is an edited reproduction of a post I made on another forum)


I had earlier and elsewhere posted the link to a picture of a doll, that was rather interesting looking (originally designed as a 'screamer', so you may want to turn off your speakers before clicking the url below):
 
http://lindsaylohannekkid.ytmnd.com


There has been a variety of responses on the doll. One one forum, someone submitted another url in reply, "If you think that's wierd for a doll, check this out - http://www.demonkidz.com/Custom.html ".

Now, unlike the "Lindsay Lohanne Nekkid" doll, which while alien-like (proportion of eyes, forehead, face) in appearance interpreted as eerie for some, still has some measure of asthethic quality (ignore the accompanying soundtrack), on the other hand, the "demonkidz" dolls (as the manufacturer calls them), are markedly different in nature.

( Caution - do not view if you are easily disturbed by these matters -
http://www.demonkidz.com/Kidz2.html
http://www.demonkidz.com/Custom.html )

Upon viewing the 'demonkidz' dolls, a wide variety of emotional reactions may be observed in different individuals. Ranging from feeling somewhat disturbed or unsettled, to outright disgust or loathing, to possibly a perverse 'demonic' lust for such 'beauty' for some (eg. the many loyal customers and fans of the 'demonkidz' doll series).

For myself however, like some others, what I felt was understanding and compassion. Not compassion or love for (ie. directed towards) the shadow/shell of darkness that is the demonic force as represented by the dolls, for that is but an illusion, the very existence of which based a lie of deception (see William Baldwin's writings). But compassion or love, for the Light within, the God essence within; as well as for the beings who might have been intruded/attached/possessed by these shadows/shells of darkness.

It is not helpful for people to react in fear of this darkness (which would only be feeding the lie), FEAR = False Evidence Appearing as Real; because such fear is born out of ignorance, and would only be feeding the lie, the deception that these beings fall under; and thus would only be detrimental to the person expressing the fear, as well as not truly helping/enlightening the dark force entity or demonic being in question.

For a one-page summary of the "Sequence of a Demonic Spirit Releasement" (as utilized by Dr William Baldwin), ie. what to (ideally) do in a situation involving the demonic, see :
http://infinity.hispeed.com/Heart.Of.God/SRT/SpiritReleasementTherapy_TreatmentOfTheDemonic_pg324.gif


Hence, you need not, and should not, upset yourself in viewing these dolls, or when encountering these concepts involving the demonic, dark forces, and ghosts (more on this in a while). If you do, that's just fear, which is a *LIE*.

Instead, understand objectively the situation, and armed with total clarity and lucidity, expressing only love and compassion, take the personal stand of maximum assistantiality and cosmoethics.  

Use this as an opportunity to re-affirm your dedication and committment to working closely and colleagially with the Guides & Helpers, Angels & ArchAngels, Ascended Masters, Evolutionary Orientors, Serenissimus and All Beings of the Highest vibrations; towards maximum assistantiality and cosmoethics.

Those with the proper training in Spirit Releasement Therapy, can proceed in their role as the SRT therapist, and carry out the "Sequence of a Demonic Spirit Releasement". The rest, will have to make do what they feel is most appropriate or helpful, such as their own prayers, methods, Vibrational State, seeking the assistance and guidance of their guides & helpers, etc. But always acting not out of fear, but of compassion and love.  

(However, as written in my other post, never engage the dark beings directly on any emotional level; the love is always for the Light within, and not for the illusion of the shadow/shell/cloak of darkess whose manifestation is based on a lie. See Baldwin's writings - http://infinity.hispeed.com/Heart.Of.God/WilliamBaldwin/index.htm ).


In the same vein, one should (even moreso) not fear ghosts (human psychotic post mortems). There are people who had replied indignantly, "This is the 7th Month of the Chinese calendar! The gates of hell are open and ghosts roam the mortal realm freely! How can you post this about this demon doll at a time like this!!!"

Again, this is fear. FEAR = False Evidence Appearing as Real. The ghost, correct term being "psychotic post mortem", or the human mind that becomes psychologically disturbed after death, being in a self-created state of confusion or psychological pain, due to similar patterns heavily present in the psyche at the time of death, or in the life of the individual, while he/she was alive.

Such psychotic post mortems need compassion and help (instead of *more* fear!), and are often vibrationally and psychologically beyond the reach of the guides & helpers directly. That is to say, the assistance of intraphysical human incarnates is needed, to act as an intermediary for the guides & helpers to contact, assist and free the psychotic post mortem ('ghost').

Such lightwork, is the focus of the "Soul Retrieval" or "Out-Of-Body Ministry" healing work, that is carried out by many individuals and groups, including of course, the many good people here on Bruce's Afterlife Knowledge website.

The International Academy of Consciousness also have their own methods for retrieval, deintrusion and healing, under the broad heading of "ConscientioTherapy" - http://www.iacworld.org
 
In conclusion, the time has come to let go of fear, and in its place, the light of understanding and clarity, motivated by the light of compassion and love within your heart.

For those who have not already done so, educate yourself on these matters of evolution and assistantiality now, and help to educate those around you who ask for it. Do it for your loved ones, if not for yourself.

The time is Now.

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PS.

Here's a quick method usable by anyone feeling disturbed by darker forces, and a beautifully inspiring one :
http://infinity.hispeed.com/Heart.Of.God/Hilarion/DarkBrothers/index.htm

Sananda (Jesus Christ), the Angels, ArchAngels, Serenissimus, Guides & Helpers, make themselves available to *ALL* whom call out to them in the Name of the Light, in the Service of the greatest CosmoEthics.