im convinced hell is here on earth,i find life here cold
and depressing. we live in a very negative world with crime, racism,hatred,ageism,
jealousy,ignorance,i could go on forever.i think we're
here to learn hard lessons.if
there was no afterlife life
would be absolutly meaningless..

ever notice the newspaper rarely prints anything good going on? thats because there's millions of viewers out there thinking the same thing as you...wondering why life is hell. and frankly, sensationalism stories sell best. on TV they sell rape, murder stories, the guy with the white hat usually wins, but not always. it's what sells. the question is will you buy it? why is society so focused on such sensationalism? why isn't the media displaying more positive images of our world? you just have to wonder. but u certainly don't have to buy into any of it. the fear I mean, the despair. the negativism. so you're not wrong in your viewpoint. we can perceive hell very easily and we do. yes it's right in front of you, in your face. but so is the opposite viewpoint to consider. I think we shall meet somewhere in the middle in the days to come. thank you for your presence here, I value it. love, alysia

Life is what you choose to make it..heaven or hell.

Sometimes, its both.  You can't appreciate one without the other.

Speaking of crime..yes, the news is full of crime.

Like airplanes.  You'll see instant reports when there is a crash.  Nothing is said to the thousands of planes that take off and land at their destinations without incident..it would be boring to hear "Pan Am Flight 101 left San Antonio and and arrived Dallas without incident" over and over..

precisely my point Shirley. thanks for saying it so well. and also there are so many unsung heroes out there we never hear about; just as a great artist will achieve fame only after his death. drat. hate that when it happens. http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/banghead.gif
me thinks theres a plan in there somewhere.

wrote on Jul 13^th, 2005 at 7:00am:

im convinced hell is here on earth,i find life here cold and depressing. we live in a very negative world with crime, racism,hatred,ageism, jealousy,ignorance,i could go on forever.i think we're here to learn hard lessons.if there was no afterlife life would be absolutly meaningless..

i know we are in hell, it has nothing with the media. do you think we live in a fair world?according to betty shine medium and author of many books. there is love on the otherside we can't comprehend. r u a hard woman you suprise me. good things come to those who wait old girl  

you have to speak for yourself here. I don't see Earth living as hell. and u can wait for good things to come but I say why wait? you can be waiting a long time, nothing ever happens when you wait. read some books on how to create your reality then you might change your mind. good luck, only I dont' believe in luck. I just wish you well and I hear your pain and frustration. believe me, it gets better. just don't put all your eggs in one basket. love, alysia

we live in hell nothing nothing will convince me otherwise. like i said for the last time...there is love on the otherside we can't comprehend. hey it stops me from killing

point taken :P

wrote on Jul 13^th, 2005 at 7:49pm:

point taken :P

the point will be taken when i leave this pathetic hell

:'(
I'm sorry you see this world as hell..makes me wonder..and these are some rambling thoughts..

why did you choose this path?  
What makes your life hell?  And..what can YOU do to make it not hell?

We all have our uphill roads..ya can't get to the top without going up.

I will not be convinced this life is hell..create your heaven..let go of hell..

wrote on Jul 13^th, 2005 at 8:35pm:

:'( I'm sorry you see this world as hell..makes me wonder..and these are some rambling thoughts.. why did you choose this path?   What makes your life hell?  And..what can YOU do to make it not hell? We all have our uphill roads..ya can't get to the top without going up. I will not be convinced this life is hell..create your heaven..let go of hell..

im convinced of what
famous medium and author said
there is love on the otherside we can't comprehend
what does that say???

Nomad, to a very large extent we determine whether our lives are 'hellish' or not - there are only a few important matters really beyond our direct control.
We attract people, things, situations, circumstances and outcomes as we 'give' of them.

This all happens slightly beyond our everyday consciousness, it seems, but overules our lower wishes and desires. This is understood by me as 'Natural Law' - infallible and totally just in its operation - perhaps called something else by others, but always present in everyone's life.

Our task, should we decide to do so, is to learn and apply these Laws to and in our lives.

A few 'truths' to change 'hell' to something better:

<< Give - and you will have.
 Teach - and you will learn.
 Listen- and you will be understood.
 Live with kindness - and kindness will live with you.
 Respect - and you will be respected.
 Be truthful- and it will be almost impossible for others to deceive you.

 Keep a generous spirit - and your life will be filled with abundance.
 Seek to bring out the best in others - and they will give you their best.

 Give your genuine encouragement to those who need it most - and you'll be encouraged beyond      measure.
 Speak positively of your world - and your world will be rich and fulfilling.

The world you influence with your thoughts, your words and actions is the world in which you live.
   Always be the best you can be and that world will be a magnificent place.>>

Excellent, hiorta!

Natural laws..yes..you get what you give.  Or, as we used to say "what goes around, comes around."

The thing is..its not any different on the other side.  We can have and feel that magnificent love here, in this life, in this world.

I woke up this morning..somewhat tired, as I was up late last night.  But, I felt a sense of love all around me.  I cling to that right now.  I'm reaching out, trying to figure out where it is coming from.  Even if I don't figure out where it comes from..I'm going to go with it..

Hiorta, thank you. ;D

Shirley, I woke up the same feeling. "who's there?" lol. scratch head. it happens. feels like buoyant hope too. don't know where it comes from, but hey, I'm seldom late for dinner myself.
Nomad, hang in there. if you are on this board, there must be a reason.

love, alysia http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/pilgrim.gif

Hi Nomad -

If you look in Tibetan mysticism you'll find a discussion of seven states of the world. Three good, three not-so-good, and one that is liberated. These are depicted as the major themes on the well nown Mandala of the Wheel of Life.

The three good states are based on joy in what we do, contentment with the moment, and open minded truthfulness. The three negative states are based on unhappiness with what we are doing, insecurity and fear about the present moment, and self prideful delusion. To escape from these negative states we need to make the willful choice to be happy, so that we find some kind of reward from whatever we do;  to be willing to accept our situation, recognizing that everything is one and we are simply experiencing the playing out of past karms as things improve;  and to be honest about everything, including the stuff that we would prefer not to think about.  

If you prefer to take the attitude that life is hell, OK. But it isn't necessary to view life that way. The problem is not in life, but in the choices we make, and that boils down to being 100% responsible for your personal destiny.  If you desire to change, it will take a bit of work, but quite soon things will brighten up.

dave

Nomad,

Have you ever seen that movie "Pleasantville?"  Frankly, I think it would be kind of nightmarish to live in a place like that.  

When was the last time you read an exciting novel that didn't include any hellish dispositions? You do want your life to be exciting when you cross over don't you?  Coud you imagine telling someone the story of your life without any pain or suffering and not bore the crap out of them?  

To me, we live in a pretty exciting place--and being exciting I would think that you could hardly use hell to describe it.

Hi Nomad  :)
You know, there was a time not that long ago, when I believed that this life here was actually 'hell'....and the only 'hell'. In fact, I even believed that my now ex husband, was really the devil.....darn it! And living in my house! Married to me! I wrote alot of poetry at that time in an effort to try to keep myself from taking a walk into the woods and never coming back home. I wrote alot about this person, and referred to him in my writtings as the 'gatekeeper'....the one who stood at the door and watched everything that happened..the one who chose who could come in and couldn't..the one who controlled the screeming that came from within the walls.
Life here can be 'hell'....but it isn't a permanent hell....or the literal hell, as described in the Bible. Once you are in the Bible's hell, you aren't leaving..you aren't changing anything.
The cool thing about hell on earth, is that we can change it...we can leave our hell...and we can make our life different, better...even enjoyable. Really, we can. And I know....as do so many others, that at the time, we might not think it is even possible to see any different. But, it is possible....and Nomad, you will see.
You must be going thru something right now that is awful.....even unbearable....or, maybe it is something that you have gone thru long ago.....only you know.
But honest to God....it can get better. You don't need to leave this life to find peace or a loving life...you can find it all here. Maybe what you need to do is start talking to someone who you can trust...about what is making you feel this way. Once you start talking to that person, maybe then you will be able to start seeing something different...and in time, start to feel different. We never start to feel better in an instant..it takes time...but it does start to happen.
I know myself how hard it all can be....first step is to trust yourself to start thinking and talking about whatever it is that is wrong..and allow yourself to forgive and heal. There is great love in the afterlife....but there is also great love here too. You just need to let yourself be open to it.
Maybe I am out of line here..... :-/...but, I hope not..and I hope that I have been able to help you at least a little bit.
Chin up.....MD ;)

Thanks MD, this started out as "one of those mornings", and I appreciate your post whether anyone else does or not. How timely is support by our friends! (I have a son-in-law that sounds like your ex's brother! - Oh well.)

- dave

does a person have a right
to end his shit life?

Hi Dave.....I'm glad that I made your morning somewhat more bearable!!   ;D
It is kind of neat how we all find some support over a life issue ...and at the most unexpected times and places.
I have learned a very valuable lesson in life...and that is to be positive, no matter what might be at hand.
I can't remember for sure who said it here...I think it was Shirley..who said 'karma'...what comes around, goes around. How true it is too.....
Smile...and you will get one back...say hello...and someone will say hello back....
Do something nice for someone else...and the deed will come back to you tenfold.....isn't it true that the greater the good you do, the greater the reward that you get back? I think that it is nothing short of one of life's sweet little miracles.
We might just make one comment to someone....and instead of that one person hearing it...another one does, and it makes all the difference in that person's day...or life.
So.....dear ol' Dave..... ;)...I am very happy to know that I brought just a little ray of sunshine into your morning!!
Tell me one thing tho....was it better than a cup of coffee???  !!!   :P

Dear MD-

Yeah. Love, Joy, and clearing the Mind  doesn't leave gritty grinds at the bottom.  And it has a much better stimulant effect without that soggy letdown when the rush wears off.

By the way, I've had patients who've reported on Heaven. No complaints as yet.

Love ya'
dave

wrote on Jul 13^th, 2005 at 7:00am:

im convinced hell is here on earth,i find life here cold and depressing. we live in a very negative world with crime, racism,hatred,ageism, jealousy,ignorance,i could go on forever.i think we're here to learn hard lessons.if there was no afterlife life would be absolutly meaningless..

Read this man's website:

http://home.iprimus.com.au/terencem/thisisabbisquestionpage.htm

He's a psychic from Australia. He says the Earth plane is where spirits learn lessons, whereas the astral world/spirit world is the place spirits enjoy. He says the whole universe is controlled by the spirit world. It's true.

Hi Ryan,

I'm reading this medium's website and it is very good mate

His ideas echo what is on the Afterlife 101 site

www.afterlife101.com

check it out , im sure u have already seen it

wrote on Jul 13^th, 2005 at 7:00am:

im convinced hell is here on earth,i find life here cold and depressing. we live in a very negative world with crime, racism,hatred,ageism, jealousy,ignorance,i could go on forever.i think we're here to learn hard lessons.if there was no afterlife life would be absolutly meaningless..

:D
I feel that this world is a form of belief system territory/We are here to create our reality as best as we can.
Look deeply at your own personal life.Hoe good or bad is it?
Don't be burdened by what you read or hear.
What can you as an individual find in this world that is beautifull and Duvine?
Go for a walk in a park or in the forest and then feel what is real.Do a walking meditation in a place of beauty and then see how you feel.
Forget the media with its focus on drama and tragedy, that all that sells newspapers.Small wonder it creates global depression.
Get out of the " Matrix"
You are ignoring your own inner beauty as a Divine Being.
Have another go at life.
Love
David.