Hello

I want to have NDE.
(Sorry for my English).
I'am from Poland.
I search a med doctor who can introduce me to clinical death (stop heartbeat etc).
I'am a volunteer to discover NDE.

I dont want to commit suicide !!
Just discover NDE.

contact with me: telemagic@tlen.pl

greetings :-)
Camilo

Whoa, I'll have to say that this takes guts. Was it hard for you to find a doctor who will do this for you? Have you heard of this being done before? Have you considered the consequences of this act...........what IF you don't come back, what if it takes too long to bring you back and you suffer brain damage, etc.  Are you prepared to go into the afterlife and stay if that should happen?  I'm sure that you have considered all these things and I wish you much success with your endeavor and I will be looking forward to reading about your experience.  Again I say, this takes guts.  :o :o :o

With Love and Concern,
Mairlyn ;-)

hi Merilyn

I dont heard before about that experiment.
if anybody heard pls tell me about this.
if no, maybe I be first.

what if I don't come back ??
::)
I have one question.
Did U hear about man who can live forever here ??
no

& second question.
Did U hear about man who came back from there??
yes

we everybody come there & propably we will never back. So, dont panic :-) We aaaaaaallllllll go there !! ... some day. maybe tomorow, maybe for one yers, maybe 10 yr... maybe today ;-)

but if I do this now, I will have almost 100% chance to came back & change for better rest of my life.

See You there sometimes later ;-)
Camilo

What I meant was, are you prepared to go to the afterlife NOW if the doctor can't bring you back.  I KNOW that we all go to the afterlife when we leave here. I have been there many times in this lifetime without having an NDE.  I, and many others on this forum, visit there regularly to check on people who have crossed over and to 'retrieve' those who are 'stuck' in a belief system territory.  

I still wish you good luck. ;-)

Love, Mairlyn ;-)

thank You Marilyn :-)

tell me pls, did U see a "Light" - U know... ??
or only U see a death relatives ??

I haven't seen the light that NDEers talk about, no, but I have seen Light Beings which are pretty bright and have seen the people that I have gone to see. ;-)

Love, Mairlyn

Camilo-Largo,
   Not to sound insulting, and I'm telling you this for your soul's sake, if you are not born again, it is not safe to die. Jesus Christ {yes He is real} told about a place called heaven and He also told about a place called hell and in fact, He spoke more about hell than He did about heaven, and when a person leaves this life, he or she either goes to heaven or hell. If a person is born again, meaning, if a person realizes and admits that he or she is a sinner and is willing to turn from his or her life of sin {repent} and sincerely asks the Lord Jesus Christ to forgive them of their life of sin and to come into their life and be their Lord and Saviour, the Lord will save them instantly, He will give that person his Holy Spirit and that person gets born again, for he or she is born of the Spirit, he or she is born from above by the Holy Spirit of God. If you are not born again, you will NOT make it to heaven guranteed,so believe me, you don't want to die.

Please get a hold of the God inspired King James Bible, and please read John 3:3-7, John 3:16, Acts 4:12, Acts 16:31, Romans 10:9-13. I hope those verses help you. The Lord loves you and is waiting to save you and He will take you from this life when He is ready, but if you commit suicide, it will be the biggest mistake you will have EVER made, and if you try to have a NDE, well, I strongly advise against it.

Hi Camilo,

You are a brave soul.  However, it is not necessary for you to do this to better your life.  You can experience your own light right here in this this world now.  You can shine your light to all around you and create a ripple of beauty in your world that will be a wonder for the spirits to watch.

I respect your desire to have this "great adventure" but a trustworthy or reputable doctor would never attempt this for you.  It would go against any principles that a real healer would have.

Please stay with us a while and continue your readings and explorations.  There are many ways to open your heart and soul to the great beyond.

much love, blink  

[quote author=x_m_m_x_ ]

He spoke more about hell than He did about heaven, and when a person leaves this life, he or she either goes to heaven or hell.

Please get a hold of the God inspired King James Bible, and please read John 3:3-7, John 3:16, Acts 4:12, Acts 16:31, Romans 10:9-13. I hope those verses help you. The Lord loves you and is waiting to save you and He will take you from this life when He is ready, but if you commit suicide, it will be the biggest mistake you will have EVER made, and if you try to have a NDE, well, I strongly advise against it.[/quote]

Hello x_m_m_x_   :)

1. Sorry, but I'am not Christian  8) Bible is normal book for me. Yes is have some good things in there, but some of mistakes too....

"read John 3:3-7, John 3:16"
You mean apocalypse??
present psychiatrist say that this John was seek for schizophrenia. I read some of apocalyps & I think that psychiatrist say true. This sound like was writing by schizophrenia crazy man.

2. I dont belive for hell   ;D & devilllllllll  LOL

3. I dont want to make suicide !! :)

Camilo

Hello blink

thx for You respect of may free will & support  :D
I want to tell U that I not want to leave this word.
I stay here for...... I dont know for how long, but I think that I have many things to do. So I think I stay here for long  :P


greetings
Camilo

There is a movie on this...about medical students who used a drugs and machines to stop their hearts so they can have a NDE, i'm not going to ruin the story but it does show what could happen...worth watching prehaps.

Then again i wouldn't take what they experience as an example of an NDE on my beliefs...i will try and find the name or it.

Ryan

Hi C-L,

Your English is better than my Polish, so don't apologize!

I kinow that you've asked for a Near Death Experience, but that might be a bit unpleasant in terms of side effects. Would you settle for a direct and personal recall of actually dying and going into the Light and Spirit World? This is something that can actually be provided, it's easy, safe, and allows you to go back later on your own if you want to get into a little meditation.

I might be able to give you a professional referral in that area if you wish. You can find me through private email through dave@mbs-hypnoclinic.com if you want to discuss it. Or instant messaging on this board if your prefer.

dave

Hello Dave

thx for intresting :-)

U mean regresion by on hipnosis ?
I was doing this befor in Poland - this method is not hipnosis but similar...

If U can hipnos some & back to the past then maybe U can hipnos & give sugestion of dying.... & we have NDE :-)
If U want experiment of hipnosis & dying sugestion & search volunteer - I agree for that experiment :-)

Yes I know, I dont speek english very well, but U can give instruction in simple words, & U can say me meaning of worlds before... & most important is that my subconscious understand :)
& maybe is better beacouse is can be so exciting for my subconscious to hear instructions in this beautifull english language...

Greetings
Camilo

hi Ryan

I watch this movie many years ago (if we speak about this same movie).
But this is only hollywood fiction. Bad fiction  :-(
Hollywood like horror - now I know that horror makes very bad to subconscious, so I dont watch horrors or thrillers etc bad movie.

Camilo

The movie is called "Flatliners"

Can you get Bruce's Home Study Course instead? If you want to see the Afterlife, why take such a big risk when there are safer and less expensive ways to do it?

Go for it my son!

I wish i could do the same, but i would'nt know were to start. Plus it would scare the crap out of my parents. Plus i could'nt afford to pay the doctor.

Dont listen to the bible crap, Jesus was little more then a roman properganda tool.

Keep me informed of what happens,im dam excited for ya.

Good luck.

First, I'd like to say, that NDE's are experienced by those who are due them.  I don't think anyone can have one on demand.

I can't understand a reason not to try to explore the afterlife first through the Monroe institute, or Bruce Moen's tapes, or Astral projection.

The christian tirade is tiresome.  Find me quotes of Christ's teachings on Hell.  Not something from the book of Revelations (which is not said to be Jesus teaching his followers).  Show me where in the bible a disciple or person is sent there by Jesus.  Doesn't happen.  

However, if we are on this earth to learn in the real world, and mature that way - it can only damage us and our souls to take unnecessary risks to get back to the afterlife (i.e. suicide) instead of becoming enlightened in this lifetime.

My two cents,

Matthew

THERE IS WAY TOO MUCH OPPORTUNITY FOR SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCE WITHOUT AN NDE, FOR SOMEBODY TO MAKE A BIG MISTAKE OF TRYING TO FORCE AN NDE.

Intentionally trying to have a NDE isn't brave. It's taking the "lazy" way out. If you really want to find out what's true, look within and ask for guidance. If you're really open to it, it's certain to come. And don't expect all knowledge to come in one night. These things take time.

If you do an NDE, and you die (a definite possibility), you'll probably just have to start over again with another physical birth. What's the point of that?

I doubt that the beings you're connected to in the spirit World, would want you to do an intentional NDE. In fact, they would be greatly dissapointed if you did. THERE IS JUST WAY TOO MUCH OPPORTUNITY TO FIND OUT ABOUT SPIRITUAL TRUTH, WITHOUT TAKING SUCH AND UNNECESSARY RISK.  

Sorry about yelling, but I bet you your spirit guides are yelling at you right now: "DON'T DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

P.S. It takes much more courage to do spiritual searching the regular way, than it does to force an NDE.

One other thing. Is it responsible to expect a doctor to take such a chance with another person's life?

Then again, why spend your life with no proof?. Most of us dont sense ghosts in the wind, have the desceased popping up on our computer screens, have OBE'S, or even have any decent proof from people who can/say these things occur.

We do have science though, we know what cause's NDE'S, and how we can recreate them, and i guess what he wants to do is have the ultimate rush, and i dont blame him, i wish i could have an NDE as probley do many of us.

p.s Doctors will do anything if you give them enough money, i know doctors who have amputated perfectly good limbs, arms/legs whatever just because the person does'nt like the look of them.

Camilo:

If you do it and die, do you want the doctor, the person who refers you to a doctor,  and spitfire to have the bad karma of playing a role in your death?

I'm not a big believer in bad karma, but sometimes you have to make exceptions.

recoverer said, "the person who refers you to a doctor,  and spitfire to have the bad karma"

you're funny, recoverer :)

love, blink

wrote on Oct 11^th, 2005 at 3:10pm:

If you do an NDE, and you die (a definite possibility), you'll probably just have to start over again with another physical birth. What's the point of that?

Hello

Recoverer, Rob_Roy, and many others... pessimist's ;-)

Do U have a car ?
Do U hear about die in fatal accident, pile-up ?
Howe many people die in car accident?
When U come inside car, do U meditate about this ?
Do U think about car accident every time when U go inside car ?
Do U calculate about posibility of die. Calculate about posibility disability ??

I have car. Is Rover 216 GTi. It is fast car.
Is not new, but I love him :-)
I am not a fool who calculate this every time when going in to the car.

may god
about what we talking
Its my life!
I risk my live every day. Today I drive my car too - so I risk my life!!!
so waths ??
Do U want live forever ??

I know. Maybe U thing that U not die?
So I want to inform U:
Sorry, but U will die!
Everybody will die! So whats is the problem...

now is 12 december 2005. Many, many thousend people die in Pakistan...
How many?
~35000 people.
die for nothing. Young, old, man, woman, kids....

And U talking about 1 life.
My life !!!!!!!!!!!

Many millions was die in fight & many will die. Fight one aginst other.
Not one man. Not hundred but millions !!
Die for what ?


I believe that chance to die in this experiment is lesser than die in road accident.
But... if I die, I sure that my enterprise is right !!
And I sure that not stop for good another people who want discover really New World & change life :-)

We Discover this World & nothing stop science :-) Nothing!

in the beginning I ask U:
"Do U hear about die in fatal accident, pile-up ?"
in the end I ask U:
Do U hear about die in aware exploring NDE ? ;-)))

Greetings
Camilo Largo  :D

Hello Spitfire and others optimist :-)

if U intresting about NDE I invite U here:
http://www.nderf.org/forum/messages/9/9.html
and my topic about aware NDE:
http://www.nderf.org/forum/messages/9/977.html?1121388492

My new catchword (slogan) is:
"Aware NDE is same good as unconscious NDE"
::)
aNDE

(its sounds (grammar) good in english? Pls correct if not)  


Camilo Largo
aNDE

wrote on Oct 11^th, 2005 at 4:17pm:

Camilo: If you do it and die, do you want the doctor, the person who refers you to a doctor,  and spitfire to have the bad karma of playing a role in your death? I'm not a big believer in bad karma, but sometimes you have to make exceptions.

Does that meen if it works, and he has a life changing experience, i get good karma?, i would be willing to take that risk.

Hi...

 Forgive me, Camilo.. I don't mean to imply any lack of understanding or knowledge on your part, (quite the contrary), but no one else asked....

Wouldn't having an Out-of-Body Experience (OOBE)
serve your purposes nearly as well-- and more safely?  I'm still trying, after on-and-off practice for over 30 years!, to have an OOBE.  Perhaps you've already experienced visiting what's beyond this life
in that manner?

Nancy4

wrote on Oct 12^th, 2005 at 2:23am:

Hi...  Forgive me, Camilo.. I don't mean to imply any lack of understanding or knowledge on your part, (quite the contrary), but no one else asked.... Wouldn't having an Out-of-Body Experience (OOBE) serve your purposes nearly as well-- and more safely?  I'm still trying, after on-and-off practice for over 30 years!, to have an OOBE.  Perhaps you've already experienced visiting what's beyond this life in that manner? Nancy4

Obe's and NDE'S, are two different kind of experiences, OBE'S are quite often (from what i understand since ive never had one) you floating around and everyone's experience's in OBE'S are vastly different.

Nde's, are the white light and the tunnel...Meeting deceased people for real. Often having very similar experiences unlike OBE'S.

The best description i heard between NDE'S and OBE'S, is that OBE'S are like looking through a telescope, while NDE'S are standing on the object your looking at.

i dont think camilo has had any luck with OBE'S, you have gotta be a Love junkie to make them happen.

We have all gotta die sometime, i would rather risk my life by going into the unknown, then die in a nursing home, forgotten.

oh and camilo have you checked out http://www.near-death.com/  

Some very good reading

If you force an NDE, do you expect a spirit you meet to give you a grand tour of the afterlife realms? My guess is that such a spirit wouldn't be willing to show you anything. Instead it would tell you that you need to immediately get back to your body.



wrote on Oct 11^th, 2005 at 6:48pm:

Hello Spitfire and others optimist :-) if U intresting about NDE I invite U here: http://www.nderf.org/forum/messages/9/9.html and my topic about aware NDE: http://www.nderf.org/forum/messages/9/977.html?1121388492 My new catchword (slogan) is: "Aware NDE is same good as unconscious NDE" ::) aNDE (its sounds (grammar) good in english? Pls correct if not)   Camilo Largo aNDE

Thank you Blink.



wrote on Oct 11^th, 2005 at 5:14pm:

recoverer said, "the person who refers you to a doctor,  and spitfire to have the bad karma" you're funny, recoverer :) love, blink

wrote on Oct 12^th, 2005 at 1:39pm:

If you force an NDE, do you expect a spirit you meet to give you a grand tour of the afterlife realms? My guess is that such a spirit wouldn't be willing to show you anything. Instead it would tell you that you need to immediately get back to your body.

If they will be hospitable like U Recoverer, than U have right.
But... not all is like U ;-)
;p

Camilo Largo
first aNDE Naut ;-)))
(maybe)

wrote on Oct 12^th, 2005 at 2:23am:

Hi...   Wouldn't having an Out-of-Body Experience (OOBE) serve your purposes nearly as well-- and more safely?  I'm still trying, after on-and-off practice for over 30 years!, to have an OOBE.  Perhaps you've already experienced visiting what's beyond this life in that manner? Nancy4

yes Nancy...
but OBE is not same that NDE...

And not all to be able do this.
I try, but I not live my body ;-)

Camilo Largo

Spitfire:

I've been given the lesson that if you play a part in causing harm to someone, there's a good chance that you'll be abliged to them not because of the punishment factor, but because the goodness within you will want to be responsible about it. What else would you do? Put the burden on somebody else?

You might feel casual about it now, but later on, when you aren't looking through filters, you might feel differently.


wrote on Oct 12^th, 2005 at 1:56am:

Does that meen if it works, and he has a life changing experience, i get good karma?, i would be willing to take that risk.

Be more hospitable to yourself, and trust in your ability to have spiritual experiences without resorting to forced NDE.  :) Come on! You can do it! You're divine inside. And there's so much help available.


wrote on Oct 14^th, 2005 at 12:03pm:

If they will be hospitable like U Recoverer, than U have right. But... not all is like U ;-) ;p Camilo Largo first aNDE Naut ;-))) (maybe)

Well, everyone seems to have had a say here.  

Camilo will do what he will with his life, and I would hope he would consult many sources of feedback, including family and friends.  He made his inquiry and we have given him a number of alternative points of view.  

Ultimately, if such a course of action became available to him it would be his own private medical decision.  I do not personally hold myself responsible for his decisions or those of anyone else....there is a limit to that kind of responsibility.   We are all adults here and as such we are responsible for making our own ethical judgements about our lives.

No one here has set an intention to harm anyone else.  Well, that's my story and I'm sticking to it...

love, blink

wrote on Oct 14^th, 2005 at 1:00pm:

Spitfire: I've been given the lesson that if you play a part in causing harm to someone, there's a good chance that you'll be abliged to them not because of the punishment factor, but because the goodness within you will want to be responsible about it. What else would you do? Put the burden on somebody else? You might feel casual about it now, but later on, when you aren't looking through filters, you might feel differently.

I wish it worked that way rec, i really do!. But if it truely worked that way, i would be surrounded by at least 15 people all of whom would be abiliged to me, for a very long time.

Yet they dont offer me a single apoligie, or give me a second thought.

I would risk my life for the same cause as cam, so i will support him, and i will stick by whatever happens.

Spitfire:

I think we're all abliged to you, for giving us free dancing lessons. ;)



wrote on Oct 14^th, 2005 at 1:35pm:

I wish it worked that way rec, i really do!. But if it truely worked that way, i would be surrounded by at least 15 people all of whom would be abiliged to me, for a very long time. Yet they dont offer me a single apoligie, or give me a second thought. I would risk my life for the same cause as cam, so i will support him, and i will stick by whatever happens.

wrote on Oct 14^th, 2005 at 1:48pm:

Spitfire: I think we're all abliged to you, for giving us free dancing lessons. ;)

You say that now, but i'll feel the negative vibes coming, when you only get 2nd place :(.

I blame the 2nd place on my dance partner. Its never my fault. Especially since she didn't take the time to watch your dance instruction video. You're the Fred Astaire of the internet.


wrote on Oct 14^th, 2005 at 1:52pm:

You say that now, but i'll feel the negative vibes coming, when you only get 2nd place :(.

Speaking for myself, I just adore how he dips the ladies....quite pretty, really....

blink

Blink, U talk wisely  :)

Camilo Largo

Hi

is here any med doctor who can tell somthing about making clinical deth.
Pls
this is will be Only theoretical speek
pls dont affraid & tell me about technical aspect of Aware NDE (clinical death). pls...

thx
Camilo Largo