Hi,

I first posted this on astralpulse but I did not get a response. I quoted the post on my own site, but then it dawned on me to post it here.

I have to say that everyone here is really nice and they seem genuine in helping others. I don't know why i did not post it here first!

:)

Anyways i will quote myself and try to reply and add anything to it.

Thank you all so very much,

love Shawn

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Hi, I just finished listening to the gateway series wave 1 #2. I think I was in focus 10 before he was finished guiding me too it. When he was talking about relaxing certain body parts and such I was very much already there i think. Anyways, my post is a question... I was letting myself go, and my... awareness seemed to waver and flicker. I would get a sense of motion every fee seconds. The problem is that i felt very.... like I was going to sleep alittle. It felt like dream images or daydreaming images. I would get a quick glimps of people moving buy me, like on the street. My question is this what I am looking for ? because when it was happening I can't say that I was fully aware or awake. I'm awake now, it just kinda felt like i was going asleep and when i did i would get a sense of motion and would "see" somthing. Should I aim for a more wakeful experience? somthing strange did happen, near the end my awareness snapped and I felt more focused (my mind) I had more clarity and did not feel... drowsy and foggy. But i don't remember any more images etc. anyways I will try again tommorow. I hope that I am on to somthing. If this is what I'm looking for I can see where everyone says it is easier then you think! oh, and when I was done... I was in a nice deep trance state I believe... normally when i am i find it hard to move my arms or legs for a good second or too. this time i had a bit of a time opening my eyes! one step closer I feel

p.s.

oh, I'm really interested in trying to do a retrival... I know i'm very far off though... but my wifes grandma passed away this morning.

I think she is fine though, she died in her sleep from what i understand.

But the real thing I want to do is meet my wife's parents. They both passed away before we meet.

Do you think it's possible ?

thank you again and take care.

hi there Stedt, congrats, u seem to be unto something, on the right track. sensing presences is what alot of beginning explorers do and sense.
when I first started exploring inner space others here told me about building my own place in the imagination. so I did a beach house thing. you can build anything there you would feel relaxed within. relaxation seems to be a key thing. also in the beginning, putting out a call for assistance in doing a retrieval is a first step. some of us sense gudes, helpers, others actually see them. using the imagination will be the first step, play along with it even though u think this is crazy. you will begin to notice changes in yourself as you explore. my first retrievals were through the imagination. be persistent, it may take a month, even a year. you'll do it if you hold to it. have you read Bruce's books? they are very inspiring to me. also some resources are here on this website in speaking with deceased family members. it truly works to my endless surprise! love, alysia http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/bouncer.gif

thank you so very much for your reply!

I'm excited. I'm not to bad at imagination and such.

When I listen to the gateway series i imagine i'm over looking the ocean, like when i used to live in Nova Scotia and lived by the Bay of Fundy.

Anyways, i'm in a black room type thing. can't exaplin it, overlooking the ocean from a cliff-bluff structure. the "building" or "room" i am in is similar to a white room you see in a sci-fi movie or show, it has no depth, it is endless. but for me its black.

its like a endless black room on a cliff overlooking the ocean.

i imagine my energy box, its a big chest. and when i put everything in it, i kinda kick it into the darkness. it spins away :)

anyways, I just wanted to know, was i tired beacuase i kind of felt like i was dozing off, and for a half-second i would feel the movment. then i was back....

i'm going to try again after work. i'm not sure if i should try to focus on having a sharper more clear experience or just go with it.

my fear is having a dream like experience in which my clarity is not there, and my mental state/ awareness is low.

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i'm going to try again after work. i'm not sure if i should try to focus on having a sharper more clear experience or just go with it.

Hello Shedt;
In my opinion you should start by ...just experiencing.. with no expectation ...let it flow an see what happens.. ;)
. Don't try to analyse tooo much, acknowledge what you see, give gratitute and then let it go..it will come back if it's very important.
Later on you can ask for better clearer vision.
With love
Romain

Shawn,

My experience has been that the value of the Gateway H-S tapes- "Exploration of Sleep" and "Mission Night" has been that I now remember the feeling of the shift in consciousness to the relaxation state or sleep if I need it.  I can also experience a shift in consciousness by recalling the tapes, for example. as I write this responce to you. I have been using, especially these two, for the past 7 years as a sleep aid and have not had to take any medication during that period for sleep in spite of periodocally having high stress in my life.  I also think that the real side bonus to listening to these two tapes so frequently is that they have improved my learning ability and that they have enabled me to listen to Bruce's new Cds-Retrieval of BST and retrieval of self and automatically have two successful-completed exercises.  Now, as I do the 3 relaxing breaths, etc. I think its easier to recall what it feels like to relax and shift gears to go with the flow and follow the guided instructions.  I hope this helps.

Jean

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my fear is having a dream like experience in which my clarity is not there, and my mental state/ awareness is low.

Put any and all fears in your Energy Conversion Box. Fear of anything can hold you back from experiencing anything. Just go with the flow and like Romain said, have NO expectations at all. Analyze it all afterwards. We all perceive differently. Some people have great visuals and some have 'feelings, knowings, etc.'  Sometimes what you get is very subtle and it might take you awhile to realize that you did get something after all.  Most of all, have patience and trust.

Love, Mairlyn ;-)

Yes, I have to say that expectations seem to hinder the process for me....  The best experiences I have, brief yet memorable, seem to occur spontaneously when "whomever" is helping me wants them to occur.  I suppose one can set the stage but the players will come out when they are ready.

best, blink