I'm curious, have or do the helpers tell you, or ask you about people here now ?

like would they give advice to others, or ask you to check on someone ?

do they give advice ? What kind of advice to they give ?

anything specific ?

sorry for my post not being quite to the point.

take care,
Shawn

Hi Shawn. have you ever picked up the phone and u knew who it was before u picked it up? sometimes guidance is like that. other times you might get a 3-word sentence in your head just before u wake up in the morning. lol. once asked out loud "I am in control of my life, right?" I got back 4 words "you're not in control." that was 4 years ago...I should go ask again. lol. funny, the question has changed! http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/eyebrow.gif

I take it you mean Helpers that help us find someone to retrieve or that accompany us when we are retrieving someone?  I've never had a Helper ask me anything. In fact I always knew I had a Helper along but hardly ever saw them, just was aware that they were there.  If this is what you're referring to, then they are just there to assist in taking you to the person/people who need to move on.

Love, Mairlyn ;-)

wrote on May 27^th, 2005 at 12:20pm:

I'm curious, have or do the helpers tell you, or ask you about people here now ? like would they give advice to others, or ask you to check on someone ? do they give advice ? What kind of advice to they give ? anything specific ? sorry for my post not being quite to the point. take care, Shawn

If you are talking about Helpers in retrievals, they are ordinary people in the astral trained to do retrievals and have all the skills necessary to carry out missions, e.g. manipulating and manifesting objects and environments, searching, etc.
One thing I've learned is don't ask them questions about yourself - they don't know you better than you do. If you want guidance I would recommend raising one's vibrations as high as possible either in meditation or in the AP state and then stating intents or questions. In this process you will communicate with your HS and your fellow Disk members who know a lot about you and your associates in this life.

-mike

Very interesting. I was wondering though if they ask questions, or what do they talk about besides retrivals ?

Are they curious about things on this side ? Maybe they ask you to talk to a friend or help guide someone else through you etc.

it all seems very interesting :)

Shedt,

Only a handful of times have I talked to helpers or accompanied them outside the actual act of retrieval. My sense is they are astral people whose occupation is to retrieve people who are stuck in lower planes. Outside of that I expect they lead normal astral lives. I once stuck around with helpers after a retrieval - they watched a movie about how someone was killed and stuck around as a ghost (that's my interpretation). Helpers, choose their occupation, because of their resonance with that kind of work and for some, the desire to give something back to the community after having been retrieved themselves. Gordon Phinn's book covers this in-depth. And to cross-reference, a book called Astral City written perhaps a century ago also covers the lives of helpers.
http://www.geae.inf.br/en/books/ac/

  Mind you, after a time, astral inhabitants die - known as the second death - as they re-merge their energy with their HS or soul, so that the soul can send out a new probe to inhabit a physical body (aka reincarnation)

I've only once been asked a question, that I can remember from a helper, asking me to do a  retrieval. They basically asked "do you want to be a helper"? In that event, I was given "headphones", so I could be directed on what to do and I could ask questions. One thing I find frustrating is how little I speak to helpers as though they are giving me the freedom to do whatever I want. The problem is sometimes I mess up. I guess they know my personality which is not to read the instructional manual.

-mike

thanks for the book link Mike; first edition ws in 1944 and it do look good.
the 2nd death is really interesting. btw, I read instructional manuals only as a last resort myself; I always think I can write better instructions. ha ha!

Shedt, retrieving is just the loving act to me. no mystery that we are all connected. you asked what do they talk about (guides, helpers) besides retrievals? Mike summed it up, the guides are folks like us without physical bodies generally, but they remember what it was like to have a body in this dimension. sometimes we have had an agreement with them, that they would provide assistance if asked. they are not allowed to be interfering with your life though as we must learn the art of self creation here.
I was just remembering a man and woman awaking me the other day to tell me by symbolism my washing machine was leaking..it saved me a huge bill to take their advice to shut off the water! this I considered a loving gesture from the other side. I have no idea who they are; I assume they are around me..I assume we are all taken care of in mysterious and not so mysterious ways in the end. love, alysia http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/grouphug.gif

woah thanks Mike!

watching a movie... life in the astral....

its all sooo. i dunno i can't put words to it.

alysia thats cool about your washing machine.. it makes me remember slightly about a dream i had the other night. all i can remember is there was somthing about unconditional love. I think i was loving someone... if that makes sense........

i can barely remember it and it was kinda fragmented... but i do remember that...
anyways!

thank you so very much,

take care,
-shawn

Dear Mike

What a strange and interestin glittle book you've brought up here. I'm about half-way through and I don't quite know what to make of it.

On the one hand, some of the things it says seem to illuminate certain situations. I was just reading in Chapter 23. I came across this phrase : indiscriminate kindness engenders indiscipline and failure. I had never heard it phrased like that but it answers a question or two I have held many times, uncertain of how to proceed because kindness can come back in unexpected ways, and not all positive. Maybe striving for kindness is not so good if it is indiscriminate. But the details of that are boring to anyone else.

So there are many ideas like that scattered throughout that make me feel the source is reaching for a deeper understanding.

I don't think it was written a century ago. It references 1939 in the test and also talks about the women's movement in a way I would not have expected until the '60s or '70s. I don't think it was meanrt to be prophesy. Am I missing something here? Do you know anything more about this work or did you just find it on the web? And sometimes I think I'm reading Harry Potter instead of this Astral City thing. Ministry of this and Ministry of that and fighting the forces of veil sort of thing.

The discussion on listening in to broadcasts from physical reality and the broadcasts from another location aimed back at earth in Chapters 23 and 24 ought to interest some folks here, though it lacks the technical approach as to how to do that. Always easy to talk about something if you don't have to give the technical details on how to do it!

I don't quite get something...I don't care for such regimented philosophies, and this world is regimented, but the overall intent of the place is strangely comforting, as though some ideas I held years ago but sort of lost track of are again surfacing . Anyway, it is an interesting find and I wish you or anyone else who's read it would comment some more.

Lucy

Hi Lucy, I can't comment on the book, Astral City, but it does sound like it's cloaked in the terminology of the roots of spiritism, which means we've evolved a bit from there as a whole.
as a budding writer attempting to use language in a way that suits a large audience, I see how difficult that can be. but there is something I want to comment on, your reference to "indiscriminate kindess engenders indisapline and failure." the book just left u hanging there? I feel it should have elaborated so, lol, I'll do it from my pov.
as I go thru life, people are still reflecting back to me "I am too kind, or I don't pay attention to good business practice; I sometimes forget to take my change on purpose, etc. I frequently let people off the hook even before they've hooked themselves...I make up excuses why people behave the way they do, or why they have treated me unkindly...there's committing random acts of kindness, then theres a thing called the blind leading the blind I guess and being too huggy/touchey/lovey dovey instead of asking intuition exactly what can be extended in relationship and yet not be used as a doormat to wipe your feet on by being too too easy going..well, I'm learning about balanced PUL. sometimes the worst thing u can do is kill someone with kindness, it leads to failure for sure. if u can get them to accomplish their own deed, whether it be the securement of housing, or giving them seeds to grow their own food, far better they attain self pride than accept my welfare stipend. that doesn't mean I can't be alert to opportunity to commit random acts of kindness which nourishes my own soul, it just means I have to be constantly listening to intuition and paying attention to the vision I wish to see for the world and "what is actually happening in this moment and what the situation calls for so that another can see that they are valuable and the possibilities are endless for them and for all of us.
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Thanks for the interesting thoughts. Yeah, that is probably the part left out of the lessons: Listen to that inner voice rather than following rules blindly. The problem with the incorrect kindness IS the doormat problem!  Turn the other cheek. Yeah, right. Somebody left some info out of that rule!

And another problem with incorrect kindness is doing too much for someone. That wasn't the problem I meant, but it can be a problem. I struggle with facing panhandlers. I assume many of them will use the money to buy alcohol. But I don't seem to have a quick connect with guidance to get a scoop on the real story. Well maybe the important thing is to look them in the eye and acknowledge humanity.

Balanced PUL. Now there is a well-written phrase! Thanks for your comments.

I think the book is interesting and could be starting point for several different conversations of topis of interest to folks here; things that have been discussed in the past.

Lucy,

Astral City is on par with older texts about the
afterlife, where we don't know that much about the author and what preconceptions they had.
I think one way of understanding about all the regimentness of this city is that is in the astral. I think the astral is not really the true state of our spirit or Disk/Higher Self. It is the realm of our personality that survives death. That personality lingers in the astral plane only until it is willing to rejoin other personalities (incarnations/Disk) in the mental plane. (Others should comment on this, I could be totally off. This I would call simply my latest hypothesis.)

In my opinion a clearer picture of heaven and the purpose of life is Michael Newton's Journey/Destiny of Souls books. In those books, we are looking at the afterlife in the point of view of the multi-personality Disk not the single autonomous personality.

-mike

Hi Mike. interesting post. I agree with you that the personality is a fluid and changing thing and that gravitating to the mental realms, perhaps the library in focus 27 tends to slowly or steadily change the personality even more. this reminds me of Bruce's vision of personalities within the disc, sort of on stasis; I see them as tucked in a drawer you can pull out if desired. at first, I thought how sad, to be put in a drawer, but I know I don't have but a limited viewpoint right now of the disc. the other side of the coin is the freedom of self expression the entire disc has choice of in it's self-creative ability. u know, the old saying "to be or not to be" who said that? Plato? anyway, even the personality has immortality and is not exstinguised but merged and so becomes the moreness. that is what I wanted to offer and I do my takes from thinkers like yourself. http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/detective.gif always love to hear from you Mike.
Lucy, I never did understand turning the other cheek either until one day I got the message in the inbetween state to "gently offer non-resistance" when I was learning something about higher self, or more unlimited self. perhaps it was Destiny of Souls which helped me a bit when it explained that a part of us remains unincarnated. I immediately began to speculate higher self was visiting me now and again in my journey. then leading from that idea I wondered if I was really ever separated from that part that seems to know everything or if I just thought I was separated. you can probably understand where I'm going with this. much love, alysia http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/pilgrim.gif

Hi, Mike!

Your post caught my eye and I wanted to share a thought on Newton.  By the way, I loved his book Destiny of Souls...it really helped me to better grasp many concepts.  Anyway, my thought is this -- Newton's excerpts from his sessions with his subjects seem to reveal that even from the perspective of the individual personality (like, me - Sydnei), we can recall all of the other personalities we have been when we re-enter the spirit world.  It doesn't seem to be restricted to when we rejoin the HS or disk.  This 'soul perspective' seems to be available to us right away when we are free of the physical.  I know there are so many different points of view on this, but this one really resonated with me after reading Newton.  Would love to hear more about your perspective and what has led you to it.

With thanks and love, Sydnei

Hi Sydnei! lol. was just talking to you over at Linn's boardwww.spiritlinnusa.com/  I think the soul perspective is not available to those that need retrieving because they never believed in it perhaps or never thought much about it. it appears we build the afterlife while here, failing that, helpers can come in, get folks moving a bit. aside from retrieving though we can see our past lives before death, in visions, or dreams, intuitions and meditations. the way I see it though if we come here to experience one type of experience, we lock ourself into it, excluding other available viewpoints in order to accomplish one particular experience that the soul disc is wishing to round itself out. Elias calls an incarnation a "focus" which I thought was a very good term as we focus in on one or two particular experience's in a chosen field of endeavor; like politics, the arts, environment studies, etc. and don't forget motherhood! hee. now, THAT is a rich experience! but as u can see, these are all experiences with one viewpoint and necessarily limited in terms of our unlimited higher self. being here is like tunnel vision in other words for a purpose. http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/genie.gif

Hey Alysia!

Yes, what you say makes sense.  For souls who are in need of help, the 'soul' perspective would not yet be available.  I was referring to the others...the people who transition fairly easily.  And like you said, we needn't wait for physical death...we can gain insights into our other lives/selves via meditation and dreams and such.  

Now I'll hop on over to Linn's to pick up our conversation there.  :)

Much love, Sydnei

Sydnei,

You're right, we can access our "higher self" while alive by changing into that focus. Newton
calls this the superconscious state. I would call it perhaps a projection using a higher vibrational body (perhaps mental plane.) I did notice having been regressed by my wife a few times how completely different the experience compared to my OBE's/astral projections. The experience is very calming and exhilirating at the same time. You know the book, Many Lives Many Masters by Brian Weiss? It's about a woman who was regressed to past lives and in-betweens multiple times. The amazing thing I feel about this story is that by the end of her sessions, she blossoms into this amazingly spiritual person that everyone wants to be around. It is my realization lately that the more we put our focus on being our higher self, the more we can merge while we're still in the physical and perhaps the greater effect we can have in life.

-mike

Hi, Mike!  :D

I got chills as I read your message...so I know your thoughts resonated with me!  I did not read Many Lives, Many Masters...but I did attend a workshop with Brian Weiss and he spoke of it in detail that filled me with excitement.  Yes, opening up to our higher self can have tremendous impact on this life and help our initial experience in the afterlife (when we return) to be a much more positive and aware one.

Love, Sydnei

ok...I have a question on this post....is it 'helpers' or 'guardian angels'.....or 'who' 'what' and 'hey' who have literally intervened in my life and taken total control?? This happened during 2 of the most serious transistions in my life, both in which I was mentally and physically incapable of taking control of on my own (because of an incredibly abusive man in my life). The entire life transistion came about with me taking some control in m life and I always said to people at the time, that it I didn't understand why I was doing what I was at the time....and that it felt like someone was leading me by the hand. I had no idea of where or what my actons at the time were taking me....I just let the hand lead me....and it all worked out beautifully for me and my daughters in the end. It was incredible. The second part of that transistion came about less than a year after the first part......and it happened when my now ex husband had beaten both me and one of my daughters....breaking my jaw....and I just calmly started to walk out the door....something that I wouldn't have been able to do before even if I had tried....he wouldn't have let it happen. He stood there actually watching us leave.....he was shouting and yelling profanities from where he was standing, but he didn't make a move towards us to try to stop me.....I always said after that, that it was like he was chained to the counter in which he was standing against. It was a scene straight out of an evil type movie......he was acting like he was totally possessed by something as evil as it gets.......yet he never made a move to stop me. I was able to get myself and my 2 daughters out of the house and all the way down to the car...without even seeing him so much as stand at the front door to yell and scream. It was absolutely the most unreal thing that I had ever seen.......so my question is: who was holding him back?? Because something was.......you don't understand what this person was like......you would never have been able to walk away from him in the violent rage he was in that night....and then live to tell about it......so, something was definitely at work there, holding him back.      :o

good on ya mate! I'm so glad forces were holding him back mystic! it must have been totally out of character for him from the way you describe it. well, enough is enough, right? I'm sure help was with you. you must have decided there was no recourse but to leave. I think a decision is a very powerful tool when all hope is gone due to a broken jaw or other part of the body being broken, not to speak of a mother's need to protect the children. I'm sure once you made that decision there were spirit helpers all around and about you shoring up your actions; and they can and do intervene in our lives, especially if it's a matter of your survival and it's simply not your time to die. you know many women do die in this kind of situation of course. nearly all murders are committed by a family member; so as to stay on topic, we cannot fathom it well, but before incarnation we make agreements to enact certain dramas here and not a few of them involve pain either emotional or physical. you've paid your dues and found your strength. it's hard walking away with not a dime in your pocket, but self respect demands it. I applaud you! you must be so strong now inside. I think as far as the guides and helpers go, they would be happy to see that you became aware of your hidden strength. I wonder what hubby was thinking to be held by the strong arms of a greater and wise power urging him to let you go free from harm. I would just be grateful and not ask, for his lessons that another is not owned by another even in marriage are very bitter lessons. I don't think he's evil, just not in control of his feelings. just a babe in the woods like unto an animal in deep pain will bite the hand that feeds it. sorry, don't mean to turn into an analyst here. I'm glad you're here to tell your stories! http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/bouncer.gif

Thanks for reminding me of this ebook, Mike.  I'd been directed to it a couple of years back, and although outdated it really shows how certain astral layers are, and I bet still are.  Notice how judgemental and disapproving the doctor is?
I know there's places in f24-25 like this, populated by souls who truly think rules and regulations are the way to go, and that passing judgement on another is the same as giving love, or even better.
When we're all "dead", our giddy band of screwball anarchists, (you all know who you are), between bouts of funfilled partying (hats, costumes and aerial ballet type games out of Harry Potter) we'll be retrieving folk from places like this.  Betcha dollars to donuts.
gord

Good Morning, Alysia!! I like to read your replies...you have good words of 'motherly' wisdom!  ;D
That year, 1998, was really traumatic for myself and my girls...and, there were alot of changes happening, most of which were right out of my control....I always felt like I was being led by something or someone that I couldn't explain. It was the strangest thing....to go thru every day doing things and making arrangements and plans without having a clue as to 'why' you were doing it. I remember one day, early on in my college program, an instructor in one course, asked us individually to explain to the class, why we were taking this specific program.....all I could say was: I really don't know why I am here!!! And I didn't!! Because it wasn't like I was following some long lost dream or anything. In fact, I couldn't even explain where I had gotten the courage to get into the program......I had just been hiding behind walls and doors for years because of what I had become...too afraid, ashamed and scared to go out. Even tho I didn't know why I was making the changes that I was....I still didn't question things. I just knew that I was being led along....and that one day I would see the answers. And sure enough....that is exactly what happened. If I hadn't followed that lead...I would most likely still be in that situation...and who even knows if I would be alive to talk about it today. I do refer to him as evil....I always will.....he was not normal Alysia. He did horrible things to all people, not just to myself or my daughters....to animals as well. He did these things with no conscious....and no remorse afterwards......I wrote a poem at one point in that marriage...I portrayed life with him just as it was: our home was 'hell' and he was the gatekeeper(the devil), standing watch, not letting anyone in or out.....and on the streets below, people could hear the walls from the home, screaming in pain and anguish. I will never forget what it looked like to see him being held at bay while I took my girls and left. Think of a large, rabid dog...frothing at the mouth, crazed in the brain and lunging against his chains to get loose at you.....and that it just how he was. He was literally held to the counter....and he was held there until we got safely in the car and drove off.....I know that, because if he had been able to break free, he would have been at the car dragging us out. You know, just 2 weeks before this happened, one of my classes had gotten out 15 minutes late. That was an art class.....we had done an art project for kids....using a folded peice of construction paper and putting a blob of 3 different colors onto one page of the fold....then folding the paper in half....the result was to see a mirrored image of color on the opposite page. Everyone taking part in that project were busy showing each other their own little blob of color creation when they opened the folded papers up. When I first opened mine, all there was, was a mess of color....then suddenly, and with no word of exaggeration, the colors on my page started to take on the face of the devil....it was a perfect image of a devils face....every detail was perfect as if an artist had painted it.....red oval eyes....horns.....pointed jaw......it was unbelieveable. I immediately felt fear....my friend stood there with me and we watched this image literally form before our eyes. We both started to cry, out of absolute fear.....she was seeing the same thing that I was. Others looked at it....they saw the same thing....and they looked at me like I was some kind of evil magnet or something...actually backing away from me. Suddenly I felt fear for my girls at home.....I knew deep inside, that this image was significant of something very bad that was about to happen....I was afraid to go home, even tho I knew I had to since my girls were there. I knew that I had to be there to protect them....but still, way too afraid of what was about to happen. I hurried home.....as I said, the class was let out late.....I knew that he would be getting home soon and I wanted to get there before he did...I didn't want him alone with the girls. As I pulled up my street, I saw his car already there....the huge fear just consumed me....I was so afraid to go into the house...just because of what I had just experienced in that image...I knew that this wasn't going to be good. I walked in the door...the house was quiet inside...no noise other than the tv......he was stretched out on the couch, normal, as if nothing was wrong....I asked him if everything was ok with the kids....he said yes, they were up in their rooms....everything was fine he said. My younger daughter came down the stairs at that point, she was so visibly shaken, upset....I knew things weren't ok....she told me that I better go up and see her sister.....he started yelling......I ran upstairs....and I will leave it at that. It was awful what I saw......I tried to get out with my kids right then.....but...I couldn't get passed him...he barracaded the door....and again, I won't go further. My point here with this...is the image that formed on the paper, more than accurately depicted what was to come...and it did come, in all the evilness it had. 2 weeks later, he was held against his will so that we could get out.....and then we never, ever went back.
I am a stronger person inside now....way, way stronger.....the light inside me grew stronger every day....one of my instructors had even commented on my light....and encouraged me to let it grow brighter....she told me that I was given special gifts from Above and that I had a specific job to do here on this planet....and she told me that my guides would be right beside me, helping me to get that job done......
I don't believe anymore....that things in life just happen randomly....they all happen for a reason....there is nothing random about life at all. I think that I was supposed to endure that marriage....for there were learning lessons in that for me to use later in my life as I got closer to getting my job here done.....whether we call them lessons, tools....or whatever.....my time with that person has given me the foundation to work with something later in my life....and honestly, that is pretty much how I go thru life now.....look at each day as it has something in it 'for one day down the road'......you might not have a clue today....but tomorrow will bring you the knowledge..........and just because something isn't working out right for you today.....doesn't mean that something far better isn't just around the corner.....do I make any sense?? lol.....I think I am babbling again!!!!! ;)

Mystic, your teacher was telling u the truth; you are a light and growing brighter each day. your story makes me cry, and you're right about my motherly vibrations. I've often carried that a bit too far but u understand. some of us do come here to pull the plug on extreme negatism, what u call evil. it's like a sacrifice or an experiment. it can go awry, or as in your case turn you into a peaceful warrior. it only matters truly that you have a valuable life and so do your children. it doesn't matter what your ex partner lessons are. they are his to deal with. he lost his family and a chance to find out what love is, how wonderful it can be. how difficult to face him it must have been. you could not possibly have done it all alone. some greater power stepped in and now you are truly more yourself than ever before. do u understand when light is in a room it dispells the darkness? this is what happened. your light was always on. it was unbearable for him, for it was dark in his heart. do not carry anger for him. this is one who needs intercession through prayer or his spirit link could become extinguished with no prayer intervention. but the anger might be in your heart. I don't want it to hurt you is why I mention it. I have read it takes 7 years to remove all traces of a former partner's effects on our person, our body, our mind that we have been intimate with. if it does, it's worth every moment of purging, emotionally speaking, so that everytime you think of this person you only come up with a nuetral feeling..then you will know you are your own person then when you get there and the peace of mind is great. I think you are in process now and well on your way. you are going to have a very fulfilling life as you have already succeeded in surviving it this far! you have my deepest admiration for what you took on. love, alysia

Thanks Alysia....your words mean alot to me.....I'll bet that your are a great friend to people around you! You have given me soooooooooo much inspiration in what you have written here today...and I want to thank you with all my heart!! I'm glad that I have come to meet you here....thanks Alysia!!!
love, sandy   ;D

and thank you Sandy for all your honest and explicit posts. we just cannot know how sharing here can perphaps benefit another in their journey and you are such an open person who can teach us much. hundreds of people have been reading you here. it causes thought or awareness if not social change. your life is exceptional, not quite the norm, that is why we can learn from it. I am your friend and just wanted u to know behind all the talk here and varying viewpoints I  do believe we are all connected at the heart strings no matter what appears as not so. much love, alysia

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Mike, thanks for the link to the free e-book. ;-)

Love, Marilyn

I must say i agree with alysia, sandy you are an inspiration to me.

take care,

love shawn

Thanks Shawn and Alysia....those are very nice words!! Thanks for making day brighter today!!   ;D

Mystic_dreamer,

I think that the stories of our various human experiences and how we are dealing with them are not necessarily unique, but what is unique is the fact that with any of the experiences presented on this board, we are having the opportunity, for the first time in global history, to ask questions and get feedback and kick around the implications of the experience almost instantly.  In other words, due to the computer and sites like this, we no longer have to suffer in silence, to think that we are alone in our private hell or heaven, or to merely count on those in our immediate vicinity to get feedback from.  We can actually “go to the mattresses” and present the whole beautiful/ugly story and have the opportunity to recognize how similar our basic stories are and how unique/creative our individual solutions might be and get immediate feedback.  Indeed it is a buddy system after all.  I suspect that as we get more used to using these dang machines for supporting our connectedness to each other by sharing tips/information, and strengthening our love/acceptance/forgiveness of self and love/acceptance/forgiveness of others, these machines will become obsolete (IMO, we’ll be more adapt at telepathy and later just exchange rotes by learning to use the tools, for example Bruces, I wanted so much to do this with so many of you so many times especially Alysia because she triggers too much for me to respond to on this board-not enough time but many sharing conversations in my mind and we do create machines which reflect many things that our bodies/spirits do or will/should be able to do) and so will our cumbersome need of words.  I sure look forward to that day, but meanwhile, mystic_dreamer, thanks for sharing one of your most current/this reality based lifetime lessons and reminding us that we have helpers.  But I think the potentially best helpers are each of us helping each other on this plane by listening to each other and by providing honest feedback, and sharing our tales- all with love.  If we can start by accomplishing the exchange here-we’ll be able to do it anywhere no matter what the “so called” distance is or level of spirit existence.  I LOVE IT!!!

Lots of Love and keep up the good work you brave, courageous, intelligent soul.

Jean    

you have helped me a lot too Jean, just by acknowledging me here and I welcome pm's from yourself or anybody here. as a further example of how you help me, lol, you mentioned waiting my book to come out. it appears I spend too much time here and should be putting the finishing touches on the thing. today, you have managed to inspire me once more to get on with it! lol. I now feel knowing that one awaits it, inspired a bit! I often think my life is not extraordinary, so when you finally read it, just consider we are having a chat one on one. that is the mood I would like to inflict upon people. I want to stay on topic here so I will mention once more if there had been no forum here established by Bruce and Rosalie, there would have been no book writing for me, just a lot of short stories perhaps. so yes, I still appreciate having a place to come to socialize with like minded people. to create community and I especially am grateful to Monroe for launching TMI which helped to launch this board although I've never met them in person, I have within dream state and it's always remarkable. yes, someday we will do away with computers I suppose and just send a rote through the ethers...this may take some time, so I better get back to the book and try to explain how to receive and send a rote...hmmm. tall order! love to all, alysia http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/grouphug.gif