Hi everyone,

'Truth is a pathless land'. Man cannot come to it through any organization, through any creed, through any dogma, priest or ritual, not through any philosophic knowledge or psychological technique. He has to find it through the mirror of relationship, through the understanding of the contents of his own mind, through observation and not through intellectual analysis or introspective dissection. Man has built in himself images as a fence of security - religious, political, personal. These manifest as symbols, ideas, beliefs. The burden of these images dominates man's thinking, his relationships and his daily life. These images are the causes of our problems for they divide man from man. His perception of life is shaped by the concepts already established in his mind. The content of his consciousness is his entire existence. This content is common to all humanity. The individuality is the name, the form and superficial culture he acquires from tradition and environment. The uniqueness of man does not lie in the superficial but in complete freedom from the content of his consciousness, which is common to all mankind. So he is not an individual.

Freedom is not a reaction; freedom is not a choice. It is man's pretence that because he has choice he is free. Freedom is pure observation without direction, without fear of punishment and reward. Freedom is without motive; freedom is not at the end of the evolution of man but lies in the first step of his existence. In observation one begins to discover the lack of freedom. Freedom is found in the choiceless awareness of our daily existence and activity. Thought is time. Thought is born of experience and knowledge which are inseparable from time and the past. Time is the psychological enemy of man. Our action is based on knowledge and therefore time, so man is always a slave to the past. Thought is ever-limited and so we live in constant conflict and struggle. There is no psychological evolution.

When man becomes aware of the movement of his own thoughts he will see the division between the thinker and thought, the observer and the observed, the experiencer and the experience. He will discover that this division is an illusion. Then only is there pure observation which is insight without any shadow of the past or of time. This timeless insight brings about a deep radical mutation in the mind.

Total negation is the essence of the positive. When there is negation of all those things that thought has brought about psychologically, only then is there love, which is compassion and intelligence."

Jiddu Krishnamurti..............1929



LOVE
Marta

Wonderful dear Marta! :)

Marta quote from Krisnamurti:

Total negation is the essence of the positive. When there is negation of all those things that thought has brought about psychologically, only then is there love, which is compassion and intelligence."  
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this reminds me Marta, of something I read that "you cannot add one cubic inch onto yourself by using thought."
the part about negation is the essence of the positive; that's quite a unique way K. worded that, and I'm admiring what it's doing to my head. it sort of takes the positive and the negative and smashes them together as one. thanks for posting that. love, alysia http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/goodvibes.gif

Hi Marta-
Yes, we are slaves to the past. We do whatever we do, and acquire information by which we are led to make choices, and thus we step, each day, into the unknown. And, as K (a Hindu, since even his Theosophy was ultimately Kashmir Saivism) would tell us, since all reality is but a dream flitting trhrough the mind of Brahman, we are entrained in the dream world and its logical evolution.

But of Brahman, the Dreamer, there is the past, crystallized into historical immobility, and from the past the inferences about this and that. But the next instant of the future remains undefined, unuttered in the silence of nearly infinite potentiality. From this, and in accordance with the best analysis available, Brahman selects the next instant, and the heartbeat of the cosmos moves forward one tick.

Each of us, a manifestation of God, created in the image of God as a spirit with choice, act as the arms and legs of Brahman. Thus, Marta, when you are acting as a person, you are limited in a deterministic world of immediate circumstances. But when you recognize that you are God, and act as a manifestation of God, you are at the forefront of reality, in undefined and undetermined space. Your choise moves the entire cosmos forward into the unknown. Interestingly, this is also how it feels when we figure somethitng out and make a choice.

The moral is that we are bound only to the degree that we seek to be material beings, and we are free to the degree that we allow ourselves to be transcendent. That, incidently, was Krishnamurti's essential message. You can find more of the same in Nisargadatta's book, I Am That, available from the Vedanta bookstore in LA, among other places.

dave

Hi Dave,

I'm very aware of Krishnamurti message, teachings as I have been studing, reading Krishnamurti since I was 15 years old, I'm 60 now.

Krishamurti was born as Hindu, true, but he was not a Brahmin, or aligned with any religious or philosophical school.
He was a deep thinker, Krishnamurti brakes with most world religions, Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, all of which have spiritual paradigmas, dogmas and instructions.
Krishamurti declared that we don't need guidance, but awakening of intelligence and awareness.
He understood how thought is the result of conditionament, accumulated knowledge, beliefs, what he calls the KNOWN, which fogs our *seeing*, our awareness.

Krishnamurti never expressed that reality is a dream, much in the contrary, he always expressed that our conditionament, beliefs obscure our SEEING of reality, that we percieve reality through the filters of our knowledge, beliefs, which is fragmentary, and that the action of SEEING the whole is the only truth.

Thanks for your comments.

LOVE
Marta