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Message started by Captainbubby on Apr 7th, 2005 at 6:12am

Title: Two soulsmates with different belief systems?
Post by Captainbubby on Apr 7th, 2005 at 6:12am
Hi again,

Sorry for yet another question. From what I have read here about different focus'. Belief systems have a lot to do with what happens when we pass to the other side, what of syblings, spouses, friends who hold different belief systems? They would find themselves in completely different places, the FAQ mentions that it's difficult for people to move to focus 27 if a certain particular belief system is in place (or something along those lines)

Forgive me for such, complex questions!

And please PM me with your experiences in exploration!

Title: Re: Two soulsmates with different belief systems?
Post by Captainbubby on Apr 7th, 2005 at 6:22am
Sorry, seems like theres no way to edit my post that I can see so sorry for double posting, I was able to find out a bit more about the belief system territories, it says that communication is limited to only those who share the same belief systems, does that mean, two friends of conflicting belief can not meet in the afterlife?  :(

Title: Re: Two soulsmates with different belief systems?
Post by SO on Apr 7th, 2005 at 9:22am
The ability for different beliefs to share experiences is part of what makes this reality (often referred to as C1 or the Earth Life School “ELS”) so special.

My feeling is that knowledge of “other belief systems” is important for at least two very  important reasons:

1.Although the knowledge does not necessitate that you BELIEVE ,  it can allow “visits” to be made to other BST’s

2.What most Retrievers will tell you is that probably the most difficult part of any retrieval is convincing the retrievee that there are “other” ways to believe.  Knowledge of other systems of belief represent additional avenues of “escape’

I personally find the above reasons resonate true.  They are presented for your consideration. Only you can find your answers.  Good Luck on your journey!

Title: Re: Two soulsmates with different belief systems?
Post by dave_a_mbs on Apr 7th, 2005 at 7:23pm
Hi CB-

I believe in you. You believe in me. That's two different systems of beliefs. We coexist so long as they agree. Otherwise, we're in different universes. Kinda reminds me of my wife when I try to discuss physics - or when she's telling me about a clothing sale - as opposed to when we make love.

dave

Title: Re: Two soulsmates with different belief systems?
Post by Vicky on Apr 7th, 2005 at 11:47pm
Captainbubby,

I want to recommend that you look at the Retrieval forum, in case you haven't see it yet.   You'll find a variety of experience there that is very helpful and inspiring to all of us, especially to those of us who haven't actually done retrievals yet.

Also, I too have wondered about your question of loved ones going to different places.   For instance, my parents are locked in a box of religious beliefs and fears, while my husband is locked in a box of not believing anything.  And where will I be?  I have ideas of what I believe and what I want to believe, but then again I'm sure there are some beliefs and fears I have that I am not even aware of.  

At least I have the comfort of knowing that my interest and curiosity in learning to explore the afterlife will allow me to know what my options are for after my death.  I'm sure I'll have to fetch my husband out of whatever Focus 23 he's got himself stuck in, but then he'll need time in Focus 27 to learn, heal, rejuvinate, correct?  So while he's busy there for who knows how long, then I suppose I could go visit my parents in their BST which I'm assuming is possible, right?  So after I get tired of being there after a few minutes (ha ha) then what will I want to do?  I have no idea yet.  Or will I be immediately put in my own BST and not able or not realize that I can do other things?  I hope not.  I want to learn as much as I can now so that I am always on a path of curiosity and learning, and not at a standstill.   I guess, once you think you know all there is to know, that's when you get stuck somewhere.  

Title: Re: Two soulsmates with different belief systems?
Post by dave_a_mbs on Apr 9th, 2005 at 8:20pm
Hi Vicky-

I had a person in regression mentioned that in a previous life he died before his wife.  Then he hung around haunting the place until she died. I asked if they went into he afterlife together. He said, "Oh no. She went to her place and I went to mine."

You may have to actually chase your husband if you want to stay with him. However, it seems that we tend to reincarnate in groups with those we love.

dave

Title: Re: Two soulsmates with different belief systems?
Post by Marilyn Traver on Apr 9th, 2005 at 9:39pm
That's interesting Dave since he hung around until his wife died. Did he say why they each went their separate ways?  Just curious. ;-)

Love, Mairlyn ;-)

Title: Re: Two soulsmates with different belief systems?
Post by Vicky on Apr 10th, 2005 at 11:31am
Hi Dave,

So, do you mean that even if we spend the afterlife doing different things in different places, then we probably will still end up reincarnating together?  I didn't really know that.  

He and I are very different and he certainly does not have any spiritual beliefs.  But here in this physical life together we support each other in every way.  He doesn't mind me exploring my beliefs and I don't care that he thinks gaming conventions are the greatest experiences he could ever have.  Together we take care of each other, have fun, love our kids, etc. and it's okay because in the physical world you can do that.  But his beliefs are once you die, that's it, there's nothing.  It's just like going to sleep and never waking up.

But from what I understand, after he and I both die there's no way we will end up in the same place, right?  And we wouldn't even want to be together anyway.  I would be happy going my way and he his, as long as I know that he isn't stuck in some bad place, i.e. Focus 23.  After that, he can go his own way.  

I just wonder, if in the afterlife I wanted to check up on him and see where he is, I can do that right?  Isn't it a choice to visit people if that's what you desire to do? If I believe it is possible, then won't it be?  

Sorry for all my questions!  I have about a gajillion more, but I'll stop for now.  

:)

Title: Re: Two soulsmates with different belief systems?
Post by jkeyes on Apr 10th, 2005 at 12:49pm
Vicky,

You might want to check out Gordon Phinn's book on the various ways we can connect with other's after we've left here.  But I seem to recall that, with family/friends, we both have to want this to happen for it to be a productive meeting.  If I died today, I think that I still have a few people that I wouldn't want to meet as soon as I got there for various reasons.  

Jean

Title: Re: Two soulsmates with different belief systems?
Post by Captainbubby on Apr 11th, 2005 at 8:28pm
This is a great forum! Lot's of constructive, wonderful answers.

Me and my wife have expressed our desires to be together in the afterlife, so then it seems we will!

I can understand the concept of what was mentioned before as well about "going seperate ways"

Vicky, your husband seems to be exactly like my friend. He lives for games! Games games games, I'm a bit of a gamer too, I admit, but I put it in perspective.  However, it's great that he respects and is willing to explore your beliefs a little, my friend is set in his ways and won't change one bit.

I believe perhaps in these lives we have "companions" or "soul-mates".
Companions stay together for their physical life, and they do love each other, but perhaps once they pass to the other side, they go their seperate ways. It is not a sad parting I believe.

Judging by what many here have said (thanks guys, it really does make me feel much better)
Soul-mates, share a connection that spans many lives, thus the connection.

As I said, I'm a Catholic, but I totally respect and see the truths in other religions.

Thanks again everyone, it's really helped me!

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