I wouldn't advise it of course, but being a chronic insomniac anyway I might have no choice. Usually I get so worried about not sleeping that I just drug myself until I can sleep. I know this isn't always going to work.

An online friend of mine who is into the metaphysical suggested that instead of worrying about going insane from sleep deprivation that I should look at it as a means to explore. She also intimated that I will still sleep even if my mind is/seems concious. But I think she just said it so that I would concentrate on something else and not worry about sleeping and hence...sleep.

I've also heard stories of people who've not slept for long periods actually having these experiences. Is this a possible (if none to good) method in which to explore?

Thanks for any thoughts :)
~Tru~

Hi, TruSeeker,

Personally, I wouldn`t think it is a good method to use to explore.
Sleep deprivation has been and is still used as a method of torture, eventually leading to hallucination and much worse, with the mind playing all sorts of tricks. If you were to try this method how would you be able to differentiate between hallucination and an actual exploration?
It will be interesting to read if anyone has been down this road though.

regards, roger  :)

I would never want to do this. I hate my insomnia as most people who have it do. I was just curious (as usual). I wouldn't think it would be a very efficient method because I would think it would take many days or even a week or more to reach such a state. Why bother with that when you can do it with a tape in a matter of minutes and not have any nasty side effects. But you described my worst fear about my insomnia. Going crazy ugh.

It would be interesting to hear from someone who did something like that. But it would take one of those extreme people who enjoy doing nutty things to themselves to test the absolute limits of their endurance. I guess I shouldn't say nutty. Some cultures consider such things like fasting, or enduring tremendous pain and abuse to the physical body to be very spiritual and enlightening, so I guess I can't just discount it either. I try to be opened minded about other people's ways of doing things.

Why not try?  The worst that could happen is that it doesn't work and you fall asleep ;D

Mr Satan

There is definitely something to it.

A friend of mine gets psychic visions when he is extra tired or rundown due to overwork.

I guess it could be something to do with our focus or attention HERE being low enough (when sleep deprived) that it's easier to click out into other states of awareness (non-physically focused awareness).

Although who enjoys being in a sleep deprived state?

I've heard that another way is to go on a 3 day juice fast. I've only made it 1 day in the past but hope to try this again. It also helps to cleanse the body. ;-)

Love, Mairlyn  ;-)

The native american sundance was a grueling 4 days of fasting, dancing and sleeplessness, done for spiritual persuits.


Quote:

The sun dance was a significant part of the Crow Indian people's spirituality. It was a spiritual retreat in which a large number of participants would fast, pray and dance for a period of days. They asked for answers to events going on in their lives.

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The sun dancer is reborn, mentally and spiritually as well as physically, along with the renewal of the buffalo and the entire universe. After the dancers all tear free, or after four days, the Sun Dance ends. The dancers are laid down on beds of sage to continue fasting and to recite their visions to the priest. These visions may hold new songs, new dance steps, or even prophecies of the future. Whatever the outcome, the overall feeling for everyone present is of renewal and balance, the relationships between people and nature once again reaffirmed.

http://www.crystalinks.com/sundance.html

Mr Satan

It sometimes amazes me that some people consider such beliefs as of those described above as "primitive" and even "barbaric" and they were probably closer to the truth than those who slew many of them. I enjoy watching shows on Discovery about modern day tribes and their rituals. These people so pure and untouched by the things we clutter our minds with. There was an interesting one once about a young man working a sulfur mine. How women make their trek through the empty desert in the southeast. I wish I could remember the specifics, but it astounds me what these people can do, how they do it and how they endure it. I guess it's true, we are only as strong as we have been trained to think we are.

wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2005 at 9:26pm:

I've heard that another way is to go on a 3 day juice fast. I've only made it 1 day in the past but hope to try this again. It also helps to cleanse the body. ;-) Love, Mairlyn  ;-)

I'm so glad you brought this up Mairlyn (by the way, is your preferred name Marilyn or Mairlyn?), talk about a nice syncronicity ;)  I just shared some stuff about an awesome fasting diet with a couple of people here.  But before i go into that, i would like to talk about the general principles of fasting.

We have a trinity in a human: the body, the mind, and the soul.  Each of these are in essence one, but yet there are differences in expression and in evolution.  They rarely coordinate, though they can. Each could be said to be a major realm of vibratory difference.   Fasting allows the physical body to do many important things, so that it can harmonize with the other two parts of the triune, for only when you have harmony between the three is when you can realize the soul's greatest ideal--to make the body material, into the body spiritual, the body of light.  
 When you fast, many of your major organs which are often so overworked (like the pancreas) are allowed to rest, to rejuventate, to self-cleanse, but the organs involved in detoxing--like the liver and kidneys still are active...perhaps more so, in trying to cleanse the temple.

Fasting is NOT spiritual in and of itself, but if you approach it with the spirit-the motivation of, "I am cleansing my body beautiful so that my mind and soul can shine through more clearly and in a more balanced manner, so i can be of better service to myself and to others..." then it becomes a spiritual act.  In other words, like anything in life, the right motivation is necessary.  Plus there is the basic tie-in of the mind and body, that when the body is healthy it improves the attitude of the mind--which is the builder, the mediator between physical, soul, and spirit forces.

 Now it is not by chance, or accident that many of the great spiritual masters of our history took fasting periods, even Yeshua.   Fasting allows us to move our minds, our focus, away from the purely material.  This in turn automatically (along with meditation during the fast, which i consider essential) energizes our endrocrine glands which connect to the chakras, and depending on the motivation may energize and balance the faster vibrating Chakras a.k.a wheels of light.  

Besides, fasting implies self-discipline and when is that not ever a positive thing?  It helps to exercise the will.   Alysia, guess i got my own DP somewhere in there  ;)

Here's the recipe:

I'm sharing this recipe i've created, it helps the physical body to align with the faster vibrating bodies.  And it tastes great (well IMO).  Helps bring in some strong yellow/golden and purple energies into your body.  If you do try it out and like it, don't eat any grains, milk, veggies, or proteins for at least 45 mins. after because it will interfere with the alkalization of the lemon juice (which is very acid in its normal state but powerfully alkalizes when digested properly).    

"Hi all,

Some people here might be familiar with a recipe called the lemonade diet (water, lemon juice, maple syrup, and cayenne pepper) as mentioned by Dr. Theodore A. Baroody in his book "Alkalize Or
Die". I think it was originally created by a man named Stanley Burroughs. Anyways, i took this recipe and improved it so it is even more alkalizing and more beneficial overall.

The first time i made this, i got almost a buzz of sorts. It definitely had a positive effect on my mood. Here's the improved recipe: Put a good size piece of amethyst in a pot of distilled water (8 or so oz.), place a detox tea bag in a glass measuring cup
(i use a chinese blend made by Triple Leaf called Detox) and pour the boiled distilled water w/ amethyst piece in and let steep (stirring
helps too).

In a tall glass, put 1 teasthingy of Sucanat, 1 1/2 teasthingy of raw and minimally filtered honey, 1/6 - 1/8 of a teasthingy of cayenne pepper, a pinch of a deep sea salt (like Real Salt), and squeeze a
half of a lemon for its juice using a small strainer resting on the top of the glass.

When the tea/amethyst infusion is just lukewarm pour a half of it into the glass cup, then add a 2 teasthingys to a tablesthingy of Bee Pollen* in there, stir briskly or I use a small hand held blender
briefy (if using a blender, do not put the amethyst piece in there until blended). Pour in rest of detox tea. You don't have to use a detox tea, plain distilled water is fine too. This drink is very
detoxing in and of itself even without the detox tea. You may want to put in a few ice cubes after mixing to help preserve the enzymes as you drink it.

Using Dr. Baroody's sliding scale of Alkalinity (from 0 to 7 instead of from 0 to 14), this would probably
average out to a super alkaline value of about 6.5 to 7. EXTREMELY NUTRITIOUS AND LIFE GIVING OVERALL. I would imagine that healthy
persons could live on this drink alone for a long while, especially because of the bee pollen (has almost every known nutrient and then
some).

*note on Bee Pollen use: If you have not used Bee pollen products ever or not for awhile, you should only start out with a very little at a time. Very few individuals show a slight allergic reaction to
Bee Pollen (sometimes due to poor quality bee pollen) so to test put a couple of granules under your tongue then chew, if the back of your
throat gets real itchy you may not want to use it. In my case, i could only handle a little at a time, but i could gradually increase the dosage. Bee pollen is a very, very potent super food and most
peoples body's are not use to such concentrated nutrition. I recommend the refrigerated type of bee pollen and not the freeze dried since the latter lacks the enzymes.

With Love,
Justin

 Someone here asked me why these particular ingredients, what for, what they do, etc.,?  Here is my reply in case some are interested.  I consider this an excellent fasting/cleansing food and helps to alleviate the hunger of fasting.

The second is Sucanat, which is just the rawest form of cane sugar companies are allowed to sell (at least in the U.S).  Because it is only 88% sucrose as opposed to the 99% sucrose of regular table sugar, Sucanat retains some important minerals like potassium and many other trace minerals.  

The sea salt i recommend is not regular sea salt since our oceans are so polluted it is a little "sketchy" using ocean water nowadays.  The sea salt i buy (Real Salt), is mined in the state of Utah from where an ancient sea use to be.  I put it in for its bioavailable salts like potassium, magnesium, and a more usable sodium chloride (regular table salt that has been treated by bleaching, high heating, and which has additives is much harder on the body and not as bioavailable).  Plus there is many, many trace minereals in such sea salt.  Gold and silver in particular have a very high vibration and help align the physical body to the faster vibrating bodies.  
For example, Edgar Cayce said in a reading that if gold and silver where given in suffient amounts in a proper form, the lifespan would become nearly double of what it was then.  Longevity in the physical body is linked to a harmonious triune of the body, mind, and soul.   And such salt helps to alkalize the drink more.

Cayenne pepper according to the herbalists i've read from, is extremely healing OVERALL to the entire body, and in particular has a strengthening effect on the heart.  It helps the circulation, and helps to move toxins out of the body.  Whereas black pepper (and many other spices) irritates the stomach, Cayenne HEALS the stomach and has been known to help heal stomach ulcers.   Cayenne also has liberal amounts of vitamin C, and Cayenne when mixed with other healing properities acts very strongly as a catalyst meaning that it enhances and strengthens other properties.  And by itself it stimulates and balances the endocrine system.  It is also known to be a good aid in digestion which very, very important for anybody.  Plus Cayenne is extremely alkaline reacting within the body, which is a huge plus.

Bee pollen...well one could write a large book on all the benefits of it and the long history it has had in being a sacred food to many, many cultures.  Suffice it to say, it is the SUPERFOOD of superfoods (along with its sister Royal Jelly-but this is very expensive).   Bee Pollen has every known nutrient (whether vitamin, mineral, bioflavanid, enzymes etc.) known to man and then some--In a concentrated, BIOAVAILABLE (easy to digest and to assimalate) form-- both bee pollen and royal jelly have chemical properities within them in which scientists cannot identify and cannot reproduce in the labs.  Many major olympic athletes, professional athletes, so on use Bee pollen and/or royal jelly as part of their health regiment.  Bee pollen is extremely alkalizing.  Raw and minimally filtered honey is alkalizing, tastes great, is easier on the body than sucrose (especially if you're diabetic or have tendencies to such), has small amounts of bee pollen, and harmonizes the entire drink.  It is not a accident that most of the ingredients are of a yellow and golden color.
Remember, all toxins and waste products in the body are positively charged i.e. ACID (with the exception of the only acid humans actually produce, hydrochloric acid which is very important in digestion and assimilation--becomes alkaline if secreted in the right amounts and if it has done its job properly).

Lemon juice--extremely alkalizing and detoxifying (when used in the proper manner), rich in minerals, vitamins, and enzymes.  

The amethyst... I dunno, but intuitively it fits in and can't possibly hurt.  Barbara Brennan (?) mentions that Amethyst gives off and harmonizes with a golden color energy.

Distilled water--because it is the only water (except for electronically restructured water) which produces a negative, alkaline reaction thus binding acid wastes allowing the body to heal itself.

Intuitively, all these ingredients work together in a synergistic way optimizing health and cleansing the body beautiful--THE TEMPLE OF THE LIVING GOD.   I wouldn't recommend something i haven't tried myself and my body seems to love it, hence the positive mood affect.  

Hope this helps

Hi Justin,

Marilyn is my given name. I've taken on the spelling of Mairlyn because the Ascended Master, Maitreya, is my Twin Ray, and when I'm in the higher dimensions, that is my name. ;-)  Some always call me Mairtreya. lol

Thank you for these two posts. I've copied and pasted them in Word so that I will have the directions, ingredients, etc.  I live in the 'boonies' now and some of these things have to be bought in a city and I'm 100 miles from Spokane, the closest 'city' around.  I hope to be able to buy these ingredients in the next month or two.  I also don't have a car so have to rely on others for transportation.  I'm working on manifesting a car. ;-)

I know that the pH of our bodies is so out of balance.  What do you think of coral calcium for helping to maintain balance?  I thought you might have some knowledge of this. I do take it but know that it usually comes from the ocean which is so polluted.  

Thanks again.
Love, Mairlyn  ;-)

Hey Mr. Truseeker

Have you tried any of the hemi sync technologies from the Monroe Institute?

I use them whenever I am not sleeping well and I have had great results with them ...

I know what torture it can be to always be constantly lacking sleep, I have a toddler who doesn't sleep all the way thru the night ...yet!



:P Grant

 Howdy Mairlyn,

 Ha... could you put in a request for a computer for me ??? ;).

 I know a little about coral calcium.  Two major kinds--one good and one not so good.  The not so good is dredged out of the ocean and commonly goes under the name of "marine coral calcium"--this kind needs to be super heated to get rid of heavy metals and other ocean pollutants, the dredging process is not eco friendly and this type of coral calcium should be avoided both for its environmental and pollution aspects.

The second kind is from fossilized coral thats been on land for a long time so it doesn't have the ocean pollution problem and is more eco friendly.  

C. C. is a really absorbable and easily assimilated form of calcium, whereas calcium from most dairy products often cause kidney problems (like kidney stones) because your body doesn't assimilate it well.  Yogurt is different and much better than other dairy products.

C.C. is also very alkalizing since calcium is one of the minerals which is acid binding, because of its negative charge.

Love

Howdy Justin ;-)

Sure, I'll put in a request for a computer for you along with my request for a car. ;-)  

Thanks for your reply on coral
calcium.  You said just what I thought you would.  I do take it but am not sure where it is from. I get it at Wal*Mart quite cheap.  A friend sent me some a few years ago from a place that got it from the ocean and I always wondered about it and finally quit taking it because of the ecology.  I'll have to look into where this comes from.  ???

I do know that calcium from oysters is very polluted.  :o

Love, Mairlyn  ;D

This thread has taken an interesting turn.  From insomnia to coral calcium.... Piecing this together I see it is quite possible that our sleepless friend has got a heavy dose of mercury in his blood. Chinese parsley/celantro helps move these heavy toxins out of the body.

20 years ago I participated in a sundance as a medicine woman.  Ceremony always connects us directly with spirit, in that you must transcend the pysical mind and body and focus your mind on intension.

My experiance with insomnia is that my soul is trying to talk to me about some issues im not truthfully looking at.  Once I become honest with myself and make the changes needed to be in truth then I will rest. NO NEED to go crazy over it, though I suppose that would be one way of avoiding what ever it is you are not willing to confront.         ALOHA

Justin, the coral calcium I take is mined from dry coral beds in Japan.

Love, Mairlyn ;-)

Hey everyone,

I only just noticed these topics up here seperated off, they have only just shown up so I thought i would make a post here. I'm sure ive experience exploration from sleep deprivation, when i think about my experiences to do with this they all seem random and jumbled and make no sense but were always very quick to enter through no concious effort on my part.

The one time i can remember which stands out was going to sleep when sleep deprived and finding myself OOB very quickly. It didn't last long at all before i found myself in the physical again. When i went to go back to sleep i found myself OOB again! which also didn't last very long. This happened many times in trying to get to sleep, there seemed to be no way i could just go to sleep! Each time i went OBE none of it made sense, it was harder to control, in one OBE of that night i thought i woke up in the physical again when i hadn't, and the next thing i know the TV was on full volume, and so was my stereo and alarm and the whole room was full of noise and movement and it shocked the hell out of me! Of course it wasn't and i relised when i returned to the physical. I also for the first time ever in all my explorations, experienced paralysis upon awaking which even though slightly off-putting at the time because i just wanted to get out of these OBE's as quick as i could it was a good experience to learn from. I also found everytime i went out i was chucked into a scenario not of my choice which i didn't understand.

I haven't read or heard anything about people exploring from sleep deprivation but from my experience it didnt seem to good at all! It may get you out possibly but i didn't feel comfatable neither could i explore as well, compared to being full of energy when going OOB.  This is just my personal opinion however. Maybe one day i will get the chance to explore furthur, but it wont be by choice!

Ryan

Hi Ryan, good to see you here.  I just recently suffered from some lack of sleep and all it did was make me miserable and cranky!  No OBEs for me.  I had to really catch up on sleep just to feel normal again.  But I thought of you, as I know you always claimed you got more experiences with lack of sleep.  

I think that lack of sleep always signals chemical or emotional or physical imbalance.  No, I do not recommend it for any sort of spiritual exploration, although I would definitely pay attention to ANY messages received, because imbalance, in my opinion, can be a GOOD thing. It can lead you into special places.  But for consistent, long term results, emotional and physical nurturance of the self is crucial.  In my opinon.  Sleep deprivation is NOT NECESSARY to force yourself into some kind of altered state.  Meditation, in all its myriad forms, seems much superior to me.  I am interested, in a novice kind of way, in bodily purification, i.e. fasting methods.  I think these types of experiences can be very helpful in focusing the body, mind and spirit. in a directional sense, in the right circumstances.  However, letting go of "purification" rituals, in any sense, can also be extremely helpful in the right circumstances.

love, blink

I had very uncommon (for me) visual perceptions when I relaxed for mind-journeying when I was sleep deprived, more than once. So it does something with me, but I too think it's not the real deal for regular exploring.
But when insomnic anyway, I would experiment with meditative techniques, so it would not be wasted time, and/or you give your body some degree of relaxation/recreation.

Spooky

hi all, my goodness this thread is over a year old. oh well.
Justin if you are here, which I doubt, I had a dream your name was Rudy.



regarding sleep deprivation. I was staying up all night studying french once, no sleep at all. my motivation was the teacher said I was flunking and I wanted to prove I could pass. I did get a B finally. :)
I can't resist showing off. ma chien pense que je suis en otra chien. :D


all right, moving right along..I heard my neighbors voice speak very clearly towards dawn so that I had to look around the room to see if he were actually in the room. it was clairaudience, very much the same as an audible voice imprint. now did I want this? no! it was annoying. he was calling my name suggestively. :P  but I giggled too, as it was him, just not a physical him. least I knew what he was thinking now.  :(  

wanted to ask why the original poster can't sleep but I doubt he's around after a year.

Hey everyone,

I was just wondering when sleep deprived why is it we seem to be more connected to the other side than we we are awake and fully rested? I have noticed this in myself and also from a couple of posters, does it make communication easier or is it just the mind playing tricks?

Ryan

I think it's all together. When we don't sleep enough, the proper order of our concepts gets messed up. Normally we sort it all, here the physical, there dreams and so on, and when sleep deprived all gets mixed together.

Spooky