I just finished watching the Discovery channel where they featured twins who were born conjoined. They each have their own heart and lungs and a few other organs, but share the same two legs and bowel system. They are around 9 years old now. There is no way to separate them as each would be handicapped. Now they can do everything any other child can do.

I got to thinking of these two souls choosing this life and wondering why they chose it. I've read that those who choose particularly difficult lives evolve spiritually faster than those who choose a more mundane life. I chose a difficult life this time around. How many of us would choose the lives these twins chose   Would it be more difficult than the lives that a lot of us have chosen  Something to think about.  

With Love, Mairlyn  ;D

Well then what about multi millionaires or movie stars, did they choose that? How come they are the chosen ones to live a gifted life??

Mr_Shawn - this is a common question asked by the newbie to this kind of talk.

From what i have read so far (from many different source) it appears that each of us has at least thousands of lives on earth.   I would say that we each choose both the difficult and easy lives, including severe "disabilities" as well as lives where we use "special" talents (eg movie stars, millionaires).

Such lives arent gifted to the lucky people.  Better to think of it as each soul or even higher-self choosing to experience the multitude of human experience - from the highs to the lows.  

An Essence, having never experienced extreme poverty but hundreds of wealthy lives, would be far more curious about that life of poverty.  He or she might even find it a more fulfilling experience too!  :o

shock/horror! :)

Scott

wrote on Mar 13^th, 2005 at 8:27pm:

Well then what about multi millionaires or movie stars, did they choose that? How come they are the chosen ones to live a gifted life??

on the other hand what is a gifted life? from their point of view what is a successful life? and why do some famous and rich folk committ suicide? get themselves killed? can we all be rich and famous? lol. we might get bored if this were so. oh no! dish out anything but boredom! love, alysia http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/vomit.gif

The life you chose and it's challenges will all prepare you for your mission. All of it will contribute to your purpose of being here.

I would not choose the life of the twins described. I want a body of my own and my mission is definitely not experiencing the life of the twins described. I would say to the twins: knock yourself out heh ;)

-Elliot Ness

wrote on Mar 13^th, 2005 at 3:13pm:

I've read that those who choose particularly difficult lives evolve spiritually faster than those who choose a more mundane life. With Love, Mairlyn  ;D

It's hard to imagine Mair that we would choose a life of pain and misery instead of mundane life..lol
Seems like "Pain" is there to teach us something?

Just think about our first love/rejection ..lol...i remember it, and I thought that i could not live anymore without that person; geezz if i only knew then what i know now... :-/
With love
Romain

Yes Romain, if we only then 'then' what we know now, but then we wouldn't evolve from the lessons learned.  Our 'mission' is to grow spiritually, become enlightened and go HOME.  Then there are those who seem to be born enlightened and for these souls, I feel they have a special purpose in incarnating. ;-)  (I like your photo)

With Love,
Mairlyn

  I suppose i can only speak for myself on this one.  It seems that every thing in my life that has caused me pain and suffering, has always led to a greater understanding of life, myself, and most importantly (to me) has helped me have compassion for the pain and suffering of others and tolerance for others life paths.      
 Perhaps the last reason is the reason why we do suffer, that and for the experience-knowledge.  I am inclined to believe that maybe there are only two states of being in our little Earth marble game--Love and UnLove.   All of us have experienced UnLove to greater and lesser extent, and true for Love to some degree as well.  But very few experience PUL energy (pure uncondional love) in any deeper or consistent way from others here in-physical.  Nor do many of us consistently project and live it.  Perhaps that is a generalization, if it is so sue me ;D but seriously if we did (love more) the world would be in much better shape than it is in right now, right?
 I believe everything that has been a challenge, painful, disillusioning etc. has been a catalyst for me learning to put that energy out more and more.  For example,  I consider my step-father my greatest teacher, even though he never consciously showed love and was quite unloving in many respects.   When i learned to forgive him entirely and fully, i learned a higher expression of love.  And in turn, a weight lifted off me and i became a happier person.

 As someone mentioned earlier, i believe it was Alysia, many people who seem to "have it all" and who seem happy, are really some of the least happy people on earth.  A good example is Howard Hughes, a man who had everything materially but gained it all at the expense of his soul--which eventually drove him nutty (well that and the drugs).  

I've met some very "down and out" people who have had a radiant happiness and positivity to them, judging by the worlds standards they should be miserable, but when you live and function from Spirit regardless of your material circumstances, you seem to get other "benefits".   True in my case as well.   I'm fairly poor materially, sheesh i have to use a library p.c., but i live almost everyday in consistent joy, peace, and gratefullness (though i can have quite a short but not lasting temper) and i wouldn't trade this state of mind for all the fame and riches that our western culture so glamorizes.  Though i would be lying if i said i don't sometimes wish i was a little better off materially.

But then again, i've always been somewhat of a Buddhist in my attitudes toward material life.  I dunno, but i've experienced some pretty powerful extremes in this life and its been quite the ride so far!  Can't wait to see what else is in store...

This is something that I am always thinking about in the back of my mind.  Why do people choose certain things for this life.  Sometimes I even wonder what I was smoking when I was planning my life over There.

I think some brave souls even choose a life for the benefit of others, and not for them.  Maybe that's what these two did?  Just think about how many people will hear about them, and it make them think exactly like it's doing for us?  It doesn't mean they aren't learning a ton themselves, but maybe they are past that, and just doing it for us (humans as a whole)?  Just throwing out some food for thought  :D  

As far as my plans for being here...I feel like I was really anxious to come here and overzealous and was like 'hey watch what I'm going to do!' and overpacked my life with things...and then got here and was like 'umm, darn it I forgot how hard it is here'...How many of you feel that way?

Jenn

wrote on Mar 14^th, 2005 at 4:05pm:

Sometimes I even wonder what I was smoking when I was planning my life over There. ... As far as my plans for being here...I feel like I was really anxious to come here and overzealous and was like 'hey watch what I'm going to do!' and overpacked my life with things...and then got here and was like 'umm, darn it I forgot how hard it is here'...How many of you feel that way? Jenn

Yes, Jenn, I feel exactly the same way about my life.

I have a theory that souls who do this are at a point in spiritual development where they have been told they are almost ready to move up to some higher level, and so they are in a big rush to do something great and special on earth so that they can "graduate."  They tend to be a little bit full of themselves at that point in development.  Then, usually, they find out it's not so easy and that this life involves a lot of suffering and mistakes and trial and error, because it was meant to be a test to see if you're really ready to move up spiritually.

I could be wrong about this theory.  It's just something I'm throwing out on the table for speculation.  I feel like that might be the situation in my life, but who knows.  I cannot speak about anybody else's life.  As for me, I probably was smoking something up in heaven before I came into my current life -- the intoxicating weed of arrogance, excessive excitement and self-assurance.   ;D  God had plans to make me go through a lot of misery in this life to make me more realistic about myself and the world.

Freebird

 Crying Raven wrote, "I think some brave souls even choose a life for the benefit of others, and not for them.  Maybe that's what these two did?  Just think about how many people will hear about them, and it make them think exactly like it's doing for us?  It doesn't mean they aren't learning a ton themselves, but maybe they are past that, and just doing it for us (humans as a whole)?  Just throwing out some food for thought :D"

 I've thought about that too....  I think its very possible at least.  But either way, even if it was more purely a self-sacrifice lifetime, by their very actions and choice, they would be gaining much soul-wise.   What i mean is that i feel/think we are always growing and expanding, no matter what "level" of consciousness we're functioning from--even when at the completely Oneness awareness.   And the older souls having been through the mill grinder, primarily grow through self-sacrificing choices?  I've felt for awhile that there were different degrees of "graduation".

You also wrote, "As far as my plans for being here...I feel like I was really anxious to come here and overzealous and was like 'hey watch what I'm going to do!' and overpacked my life with things...and then got here and was like 'umm, darn it I forgot how hard it is here'...How many of you feel that way?"

Man.... a BIG YEAH! at times ;)   I think alot of us spiritually minded people who have seriously attempted suicide are people who really "overpacked" our lives because of a zealous, over-amibitious nature.  A little while ago i finished reading Rosiland Mcknight's new second book "Soul Journeys" and she talks about going through something very similar.   By the way her book is AWESOME on all levels and i very much recommend it to anyone.  Rosie is such a cool and down to earth person, just like Bruce Moen.  I think of them as compliments, Rosie represents the more right brain side balance, and Bruce/Bob represent the more left brain side balance, in a sense.  

Justin, I'm so happy to hear you read Soul Journeys too.  Isn't it awesome?  It fits right in with all the other afterlife books but adds something on it's own too.  I especially like her mantra:  "I AM Light manifested in Love expressed in Joy, Joy, Joy................." ;-)

Love, Mairlyn ;D

Hmm..in a way this kind of sounds very limited. Famous or unfamous, rich or poor, we all share very common experiences in life.  Whose to say...one of you might be the next famous person. I think life is about choices. Perhaps we outline what it is we need to focus on more, when we get here. But we don't always make that connection.  Someone famous here on earth still might have not fulfilled their inner objectives and vice versa. They might have accidently become famous. Maybe the twins signed up for compromising skills before they got here, but didn't know they would be connected. On another note. I have read articles about twins like this that when asked would they want to be separated, said NOWAY. They were happy. Happier than some that were not born like this.  I think we all have a common goal when we are here on earth, rich or poor, hanicapped or not. We all want to learn and to give PUL.

I think some people chose the lives they do because of how it can benefit others.  The lives of the conjoined twins has a lesson for the parents, what they will learn from it.  Then there are the doctors and surgeons who get the chance to experience this kind of medical condition and what they can learn from it.  Then there are all the people who will come to know or hear about these twins and all the things they will ask, think, learn, etc.  It goes on and on.  Of course, the twins themselves have their own reasons for what they can learn from this kind of life.  

Even if you feel you have a normal or boring life, you just never know who you will touch in your life or what kind of affect you can have on someone.  Even a simple event can be a big experience or breakthough for someone else.  I believe no matter what kind of life someone has, there are countless events where that life is in the right place at the right time to be of benefit for someone else, however big or little that learning opportunity is.  But many people are not keeping their eyes and hearts open to receiving the message/lesson.  

Sorry for such a long post, but here's an experience I had once.  I used to take the RTD to and from college.  I hated it, but there was a young man, about 20 maybe who rode every day.  He was nice looking, polite, and always smiled and said hi to me.  I did the same with him and was happy to see him each day.  I noticed he talked to someone who wasn't there, and I was the only person who ever greeted him each day.  One day I had the courage to ask him where he goes each day and he said he goes to see a doctor for his mental health.  He said he knows he has problems but that he's getting help.  I was proud of him.  How hard would that be?  One day as I got off the bus a very rude woman with 2 tiny kids hollered at me.  She said rudely, "Why on earth do you even talk to him.  He's weird!"  I said, "Do you even know why he's on that bus every day?  He's getting help and trying to get better."  Why do YOU take the bus?"  She was so shocked at what I'd said that she didn't even have a response.  I hope she learned something from that experience.  If she didn't, it's her own fault.  

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was like 'hey watch what I'm going to do!' and overpacked my life with things...and then got here and was like 'umm, darn it I forgot how hard it is here'...How many of you feel that way?

This makes sense to me because of what i have been able to see of my subconscious through dreams and meditations.  I have had a fairly tough life.  In a very vivid dream, i was presented w a challenge in the form of a deep trench to go into.  I proclaimed that i was not afraid, and jumped in.  A ways down the trench, i was blocked by a locked door.  So, i walked through it.  A while after this dream, i experienced some financial hardships.

This fearlessness as regards hardships, an almost cockiness, i can see it in me too, when i meditate.  It is almost like a recklessness.

MS

 Hi, all.
I think that there is a kind of "book of scores" They show us There, before incarnating... For example:

To born blind: 50 scores
To be a siamese twin: 100 s. for each one
To be a King: 1 Score..... and so on. May be there is a limit to get a "Graduation" and when you reach that limit you go to a Higher Focus and so on, until we'll be all reunited with God. I'd read that Jesus was the first one to complete this race and guess who  was He in His first incarnation?
ADAM!
What do you think?    ;)
L,L& SERENITY.
Claudio from Italy

Claudio, I don't know that I would score too high but was wondering about you. back in 2002 I had an obe about an Italian guy with 3 daughters who ran amuck but he knew how to handle them well. was wondering if I met you out there? if not, well, there's some Italian guy I had a great conversation with, lol! love, alysia

Hi!
LOL! I wasn't that guy, I have one daughter even if  she's enough to make me run amuck !
Have a good week-end.

Hi all,

And remember, if it weren't for these beautiful twins and Marilyn's introduction of them to this board, we wouldn't be experiencing this lovely dialogue! I love it.  :-* Because, after all, it is a buddy system being here-merely to learn about Love, the glue that holds us all together.

Jean

wrote on Mar 20^th, 2005 at 8:27am:

Hi all, And remember, if it weren't for these beautiful twins and Marilyn's introduction of them to this board, we wouldn't be experiencing this lovely dialogue! I love it.  :-* Because, after all, it is a buddy system being here-merely to learn about Love, the glue that holds us all together. Jean

you're right. looking over this thread it's an excellent thread and Mairlyn has been told she's a teacher "out there" conducting a class. well it really shows as she started this thread. Mair, I've always been intrigued when Bob said he found your classroom in the sky. (just a term folks, keep your hat on) because Bob is one who I know is "out there" and can be trusted to have some true information. so anyway it's Mairlyn appreciation day. lol. she is a noteworthy light. and Bob, sorry if you're reading this, to reveal your light also so publicly. (not really sorry) I'm going to start a new thread because Justin brought up some things for me and also Dora did this morn. we are all in this together growing. just wanted to prattle a bit and thank you Jean as I enjoy your presence here also and your insight.
http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/genie.gif   maybe we are genie's in a bottle.

Thank you Jean and Alysia.  I feel we all shine our Light wherever we are. And I agree that Bob's Light shines very brightly. ;-)

Here's to creating more and more Lightworkers for changing the world!
:D

Love, Mairlyn   ;D

Hey.

I think the life we chose is always different than the last one, so we can have more variety of experience, and that is what it is all abouth.

you're right of course that each life focus will be different although there can be a pattern I suppose or genetic carryover..I have seen some families and they all have the same disposition to some charactistic shared. it's not just about genetics though but it would be interesting to see how parents are picked out, to sit in on the decision making party, but maybe thats what memory wipe out is all about when we forget who we were?

anybody had past life readings that you trust as real? I was told by a trusted psychic one life in which I had it too easy. no challenges, just la la la all the day long. whatever. apparently didn't like it too well in the end and wanted a more "difficult" life. nowadays, I'm thinking, ok! can I go back there just one day? lol.
wonder what that was like while it was going on?
Like Monroe, I probably wouldn't be too satisfied to return there.
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Maybe you should add if someone chooses to be a king (President, Prime Minister, Etc), score 1 point. Setups a food bank for the poor 20 points, health care 40 points, and so on.  Well the main reason I say this if you evolve beyond what you meant to do or experience in this life time, and using your reference you can leap frog multiply incarnations.

Comments anyone?? ;D



wrote on Mar 18^th, 2005 at 4:18pm:

Hi, all. I think that there is a kind of "book of scores" They show us There, before incarnating... For example: To born blind: 50 scores To be a siamese twin: 100 s. for each one To be a King: 1 Score..... and so on. May be there is a limit to get a "Graduation" and when you reach that limit you go to a Higher Focus and so on, until we'll be all reunited with God. I'd read that Jesus was the first one to complete this race and guess who  was He in His first incarnation? ADAM! What do you think?    ;) L,L& SERENITY. Claudio from Italy

By reading Vicky's letter prompt me to say something.Whether we choose our being here on Earth or elsewhere, we are here for a purpose. The living condition is what we have taken (many of you may object to this) not the life we  have.Life is a living entity.A little bit about me and my challenges in this world. I was born super poor and I have seen and endure the hardship that it brings. I was born into a British citizen, was in the upper 5% in all my classes.My parents moved to a French country so we can improve ourselves. ( I am the last of 22 children ). I was put into the first grade as I could not speak French. I ace the French language.Was first in all classes and grades.I wanted to be a surgeon.The French Principal refuses to sign my papers so I can go to Paris to study Medicine, stating I was too old( age 16) to get into Med school. I went to the Welsh National School of Medicine, Cardiff, Wales and graduated with Distinctions in several subjects (e.g Surgery , Medicine, Pathology etc). I was overlook and under estimated for positions I applied for. At the age of 24 I was the youngest  Chief surgeon  working for the University of London U.K. I was thrown out of England( remember I was born British) because of changes in immigration laws, this is whilst working for the British government, I was treated as a crimminal and deported. A week later I was back in Britain working for the same government that mistreated me. I travelled to 89 countries and have helped numerous people in whatever form of need I can offer and I wanted nothing in return. I was treated very bad in the USA where I now reside, my wife (US citizen) was thrown into jail because of jealousy and false accusation by an Official of the government.Guess what? months later that person's wife is paralyzed, a lady who was my boss. I lived in a small town few years ago, the Sheriff there hounded my family and find every possible ways to destroy my family and me.The school system wanted to put my three children in dissability classes. Today my first son is a 4.0, my other son is 3.89 and my daughter is a 4.0. Outcome, he killed himself. The town was destroy by Tornado. Last year I was in Thailand with my family, they airline passenger service people, refuse to let my family come back to the US. We had to get new passports run over to Cambodia to extend our stay so we do not get penalized by the immigration authority and get thrown in jail for overstay, we were pushed around for no particular reason.We were treated like dirt in front of everyone. All our paper were in order. I had no ill feeling when I left, this was july 2004, did  you see what happened in Dec' 2004. I did not rejoice in joy as I am not that person.Not to bore you with bad things, there are many incidences where I cannot explain what mysterious things have gone my way.In the midst of my welfare all I do is help others. I do not believe in the rich life, I have been there and have seen the extreme of both ends.There is nothing in this earthly materialistic world that I envy. I am given good health and also my family and with that we are the happiest family. Yes we are here to progress and yes there are others with no directions that will hinder you, but you carry on and your task in this lifetime will be accomplished.  Alexander

Alexander,

WOW, what an inspirational story. So many people would take the opposite stance and think that the whole world is againt them and you do the opposite.  I have a very strong feeling that you are an old soul who has chosen this lifetime to clear up ALL old karma for ascension. I AM very happy to know you and welcome to this forum. ;-)

With love,
Mairlyn  ;-)

Just wanted to thank you for the reply, unfortunately I am off to NYC in the morning so my time is limited at the moment, shall write later , again thanks  , alexander :)

Fascinating story Alexander.

Hopefully as you'll appreciate, there's no point in taking the "grass is greaner on the other side" approach to your life versus others'.

I fully recommend the following movies in terms of people making the best perspective out of strife:

1.  Life is Beautiful - Roberto Benigni is brilliant.

2. The Castle (An Australian film directed by Rob Sitch).


Scott

Hi Scott, i am not here to look at the others and what others have, I wish them the utmost best in their way of living as that is what they want. I came into this world with nothing and when I leave I shall take nothing with me. I am am a giver instead of being a receiver. Yes , for many the grass is greener on the other side, but it looks green on the outside, on the inside is something else. One does not know what it takes to make that grass green, unless one lives it!  Good luck Scott. alexander