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Reply #15 - Nov 10th, 2015 at 7:57pm
 
First of all, that egg-faced woman really does NOT look like Justin...

Second of all, ... oh, never mind...  Roll Eyes
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Reply #16 - Nov 10th, 2015 at 9:56pm
 
seagull wrote on Nov 10th, 2015 at 7:57pm:
First of all, that egg-faced woman really does NOT look like Justin...

Second of all, ... oh, never mind...  Roll Eyes


  You're right, doesn't look like my usual self, but there's been a couple of Halloween's where it came a little closer. And one of those Halloween's, i must say, Justina was pretty hot. Shocked   Wink 
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Reply #17 - Nov 10th, 2015 at 10:28pm
 
That is so funny I laughed like Porky Pig.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_VVVTmiWFo
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Reply #18 - Nov 11th, 2015 at 12:48pm
 
I think sometimes Justin looks like that after having an argument with his wife.  Smiley

seagull wrote on Nov 10th, 2015 at 7:57pm:
First of all, that egg-faced woman really does NOT look like Justin...

Second of all, ... oh, never mind...  Roll Eyes

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Reply #19 - Nov 12th, 2015 at 12:26pm
 
Those two reincarnation ideas are not mutually exclusive; they need not be one or the other, for they can agree and overlap quite comfortably, with one view including the other.

Pure reasoning is with known facts, sensible conjecture can use assumed facts. Sensible conjecture should follow the same guidelines of rational thinking as does reasoning with known facts.

It is common for people to see contradictions that aren’t there, and to misread correlations too, so I'll throw in some rules of logic. There are many more, of course, but these provide a good start:

Although causes produce correlations, and falsities contradict truth, and things connected coincide, it does not work in reverse. Correlation does not prove cause, and an apparent contradiction does not prove a falsity, and a coincidence does not prove a connection, for a bigger picture reveals more facts that may contain explanations.

Results outnumber causes, for many results come from every cause, so there are more correlating results than causes that produced them, and correlating results come both simultaneously and sequentially. The idea that a correlation proves or even indicates the cause is more likely to be incorrect than correct.

And the wider and more extensive a subject is, the more apparent contradictions and correlations it allows for.

And coincidence is a form of correlation but just an anecdotal one, and anecdotes do not prove trends, they only prove what is possible and marginal. Only weight of numbers proves trends.

In a boundaryless system the potential for correlations and apparent contradictions is infinite. Only in an enclosed system where we possess all the relevant facts do correlations make sense and contradictions disappear. 

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When reasoning we need to do so by reality's rules and start off on the right foot. The best start is to differentiate between what you know and what you only think you know.

We should frequently prune back assumed knowledge until it becomes our practice to order our knowledge as the facts of reality are ordered.
 
Cause and effect, or the manifesting of facts has a direction of flow to it that logic must acknowledge. When we order our knowledge as the facts of reality are ordered, and layer our understanding as reality is layered, then our thinking and logic can proceed as reality proceeds.

Strictly speaking, experience is knowledge is proof. We only know what we’ve experienced, not what we think about what we’ve experienced. Experience only proves the experience, nothing more. 

Most strictly speaking, what we know is what we are, all else is conjecture. And the more subtle the subject matter – such as the spiritual/occult/metaphysical matters discussed on forums such as this one – then the more rational our thinking needs to be.

When we are learning to differentiate between what we know and what we only think we know, then it may seem that there will not be much knowledge left, but what we have left is worth more than what we had before. A grain of truth is worth more than thousands of grains of falsity. 

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Insanity, by definition, is dissociation from reality. It varies by degrees within individuals. It doesn’t require much sanity or a great deal of intelligence to get by in the world. The insane can feel perfectly sane, and most do, and it is possible, even common, for people to be quite insane and yet reasonably functional in the world, and to go through life without themselves or anyone else knowing that their mind is mostly dissociated from reality.

A common insanity are delusions. Most delusions arise automatically between incompatible beliefs so as to reconcile them. The mind likes to be rounded, not uneven with protruding incompatible beliefs, so there automatically arises a vertical filler that rounds it out, and horizontal fillers to reconcile reality with the overriding beliefs. Another way of looking at it is that the mind does not like dissociated dots of belief that do not communicate, so it joins them with lines of explanation that enable internal communication. These automatically arising delusions enable the mind to cycle itself comfortably without having to stop at the gaps. The automatic arising of delusions as if by a life of their own, with no conscious effort from the individual means that to the individual they feel real and convincing, usually highly purposeful, and can often seem divinely inspired. Delusions cannot be tackled directly, but when their supportive structures are dismantled then they can disappear as naturally as they arose.
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Reply #20 - Dec 15th, 2015 at 7:48pm
 
Among many points that challenge reincarnation, 2 strike me as most critical:
(1) After encountering what seemed like past life memories, Swedenborg learns from his guides that reincarnation is a misunderstanding of unconscious soul merger with discarnate spirits of which the astral  traveler is unaware.
(2) This fits well with an overlooked finding by Dr. Ian Stevenson in "Twenty Cases Suggestive of Reincarnation," namely that some of the child cases recalled being a prior personality who was still alive prior to the child's birth.(3) Neutral experts on hypnotic regression reject claims that past life recall during such regressions is reliable.

[I will be posting here again after a long absence, but first must take my infected computer in for repairs.]
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Reply #21 - Dec 22nd, 2015 at 6:43pm
 
Hi Don Smiley

Berserk2 wrote on Dec 15th, 2015 at 7:48pm:
Among many points that challenge reincarnation, 2 strike me as most critical:
(1) After encountering what seemed like past life memories, Swedenborg learns from his guides that reincarnation is a misunderstanding of unconscious soul merger with discarnate spirits of which the astral  traveler is unaware.


Has anyone else ever made a similar discovery that you know of?

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(2) This fits well with an overlooked finding by Dr. Ian Stevenson in "Twenty Cases Suggestive of Reincarnation," namely that some of the child cases recalled being a prior personality who was still alive prior to the child's birth.


This may also lend credence to the simultaneous reincarnation theory.
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Reply #22 - Dec 22nd, 2015 at 10:17pm
 
Here are some conditions that I have observed and experienced.

1. When a person has certain types of ABI, or cerebral vascular damage as is caused by recurrent and progressive transient strokes in the same location, a funnel of absence is seen in the aura, that is, a funnel of no aura that goes down to its point at the place of the brain damage. Discarnate souls will frequently go into the funnel and fill it, thus feeding off desired energies from the living person and also enabling the living person's dissociated parts of his aura/personality to communicate across the gap via the occupying entity.

2. Something similar frequently occurs in people with significantly incompatible values of the same priority, when these values are not brought together in conflict which eventually resolves them, but are held apart by the individual, and from which follow subsequent incompatible thought-emotion-behavioural patterns. In such cases the two portions of the personality don't communicate well across the discrepancy. (It is something as if you hang a steel bar by a string from its sweet spot and strike it with a hammer then it will resonate, but if you sharply bend the bar in one place then straighten it again, then hang and strike it again then it will resonate discordantly due to the molecular structure changing where it was bent and the vibrations not flowing so smoothly through the whole bar anymore. Is more noticeable if bar is left bent.) Discarnate souls can enter the aura where the gap is between resonating portions, and can do so on either emotional or mental levels, and thus settle into any of the major centres and parasite off it.

3. Many illicit drugs such as methamphetamines/ice, crack in the US, and particularly cannabis have an astringent effect upon the soul's surrounding personality layers, that is, the mental-emotional layers and their aura, causing them to tighten and shrink which then exacerbates and widens any fracture lines that exist between discordant portions of the personality. Something like shrinking a shirt while wearing it will cause the buttons to strain and the front of the shirt to open. Discarnate souls frequently enter here too.


Depending on beliefs held by the individual and the individual's degree of rationality and correspondence with truth and what truth is, will depend their interpretation or not of the effects they experience within their mental-emotional nature as a result of the intrusive entity.

Some people certainly misconstrue the experience as a past life remembrance; and other people construe it into any manner of interpretations; and others, rational ones, accept it and deal with it as it effects them, without interpreting it through beliefs.

It is a two way street though; there is a perceived benefit to both parties, the afflicted and the afflicter, even if the benefit is a detrimental one.       

These conditions can be cured. The intrusive entity can be forced out and the aura can be healed. 

                                                                                                                                     
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Reply #23 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 1:37pm
 
REINCARNATION IS A LIE.

YOU HAVE ONLY ONE MORTAL LIFE

MAKE THE BEST OF IT, IT IS VERY SHORT
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