I have views similar to Nanci's, but with some added ones based on experience. 

   My experience is more along the Chakric type, energetic affects of sexual energy. 

  I've had some experiences where sexual energy, which has a lot of energetic potential, was re-routed through deep, consistent, and expanded meditation. 

   I both lost the sex drive and any interest for a time, but felt very alive, aware, and had a lot of energy.  This was not done on purpose, it was like a side effect of that meditation period. 

   I also happen to believe that some spiritual Teachers were aware of the powerful nature of sexual energy and re-routed this energy more permanently than i did.  These teachers were totally devoted to service and expanding their own consciousness so as to be as aligned to truth, creative/constructive, and PUL consciousness as much as is possible. 

   Normally for most, when they have sex, this energy raises and dissipates somewhere in the first 4 centers.  If they are in a loving relationship, it mostly dissipates through the 4th center.  If mutual love is not involved and based more on lust, it's more dissipated through the first 2 centers, which are slower vibratory and more limited in nature. 

   As for closest related codified belief systems already that address the subject, the closest i've found is some Taoist philosophies that talk about this other aspect of sexual energy and harnessing it for spiritual purposes.

  It's a tricky subject, because it's not black and white, yet so many sources want to make it more so, whether they are for or against sex.  I'm neither, as i know it has both it's potentially constructive and destructive aspects.

  Dedicating a union of two, to the service of the Whole and of Love, and consciously seeking to create a positive channel of bringing a mature, service type Soul into the world, is an extremely constructive and important activity.  For most, this is the highest aspect of sexual energy.  It works on the like attracts and begets like principle/truth.

   Few will be called in this life to follow in the steps of those couple of spiritual teachers who reached a more pure Christ Consciousness, hence for most, there is no real need to focus on re-routing/directing that energy into the higher centers. 

  While i agree with Albert's essential points, i think that "intention" and motivation is as important in this area, as any other. 

Earlier, i mentioned that if two people come together, and dedicate their union to a higher power, and seek to bring a child of promise and spiritual blessings to the world, this is a pretty important and constructive use of sexual energy that is more aligned to the Spirit aspect of it.

   A very long time ago, a time not remembered by history, a largish group of spiritually oriented people came together to try to co-create a better society.  One of the practices they came to agree upon, was a sort of "state" run program of mating. 

  The mating was primarily to produce better vehicles, because at the time, there were some left over issues/imbalances in a percentage of bodies of the time. 

  So they were trying to correct this, by mating people with both more balanced and healthy bodies, and people of more expanded consciousness as to create both better vehicles and to bring more positive and service oriented types into the world. 

  This program was very successful, and along with other measures, eventually helped to balance the physical issue. 

    Or another example.  The Essenes did similar (but not the same, the unions were more spontaneous and attraction based for the most part) for many generations in trying to bring the Messiah into the world.  They dedicated their minds, bodies, and Souls to this activity, even to including their unions. 

  Eventually, they accomplished what they sought, in creating ideal circumstances and conditions to bring that Teacher of teachers into the world. 

   Say theoretically something happens to reduce the human population by quite a bit.  Those who are left, who are spiritually intune, might be called to consciously bring other service Souls into the world, and it's mighty hard to do that without the sexual act unless a potential's mothers body and consciousness is very fast vibratory/expanded in nature.  This will eventually start to happen more in the future though, i think, but for a long while, sexual union will still be the typical way of bringing new bodies and consciousnesses into this world. 

  So like in anything in life, intention and motivation matters quite a lot in whether or not it's constructive or destructive in affect.  One can have sex with little conscious or mind focus on lust--the body will still often react, but body reactions and mind focus are two different things.

Kathy:

Much of what you say probably applies to a very high percentage of the human population.

If a person does the solo thing you spoke of, he (or she) might end up thinking of another person. If a person does so, is it possible that he will make an uninvited energetic connection to the person he thinks of?

  Some thoughts on lust.  Lust seems to me to be a combo of mind focus and body reactions.  Overall, it seems to be more a body reaction than other emotions. 

  But is lust and are emotions purely neutral even in the context of no interaction with others? 

   Is anger or sadness purely neutral in nature?  Seems that these create poisons within the body, especially when over focused on.  Yes, they are fairly natural human emotions, but is it good to be so affected and limited by the personality's and body's reactions? 

    Some people let sadness or anger overwhelm them and drown out their quieter voice, the one of their consciousness. 

   Many have this issue with lust too.  Some continue these body based addictions even after they leave the body--remember Monroe's "pile"?  What a limited existence to be so focused on a body based reaction and energetic. 

   As mentioned earlier, lust is both a mind focus and a body reaction.  Let's look at the body part of it in a more holistic context. 

   An interesting finding in the research of anti social personality disorder spectrum formerly known as psychopathy and sociopathy, is that it's common that people, both male and female (more rare than males), that fall into this spectrum, have higher amounts of the hormone testosterone in their bodies than the average. 

   Testosterone is more a male hormone than a female one overall, though most females often have some in their bodies too. 

    Not surprisingly, these types of individuals often have a higher sex drive than the average, which goes along with the greater than typical amount of testosterone. 

    If either a male or a female artificially raises the levels of this hormone in the body, some common symptoms occur besides physical changes of greater muscle mass, hair, etc.  More prone to anger, higher sex drive/lust experienced, more forcefulness of personality, etc.   In astrological terms, you could say that they become more "Mars attuned" in nature. 

    In auric terms, you could say they become more red in nature, and certainly in adults with a very high sex drive, who are prone to anger/easy frustration, impulsiveness, and self centeredness red is often a strong and/or dominant color in their auric patterns. 

  Psychopathic type personalities are essentially "slow vibratory" and entrophic type personalities.  I'm not saying that everyone with a high sex drive, who experiences a lot of lust, is psychopathic or spiritually immature, course not, however that there is a strong correlation between higher amounts of testosterone and sex drive in both males and females within this spectrum, is quite interesting. 

  Testosterone seems to be a very earthly and slow vibratory hormone, and as it goes up, so does lust, often anger, often self centeredness, impulsiveness, and other traits we could describe as limited and anti-spiritual/anti expanded consciousness in nature.   

    So, lust may not be such a neutral pattern and experience after all, and it makes sense that if one has spiritual ideals and wants to grow both consciousness wise and attune the body to the highest within, that indulging in lust will not be a helpful or constructive thing on average. 

There may be individual cases of say sexual abuse or the like, wherein an individual may need to focus on the issue of sex in order to heal something, but generally speaking, over focus on sex and lust essentially has the effect to slow down the vibratory patterns of one's energy system. 

   Just as redirecting or re-routing that powerful bodily energy, can have a strong affect on stimulating the higher centers of the body, such as the Pineal and Pituitary.   But it's not something that should be forced, it's something that  will happen if you are living a certain way otherwise.   

Nor is it about lust being "immoral" or wrong, or evil or anything so silly as that, but that like Albert said, it's a body based energetic that is limiting in nature and tendency, especially in the context of over focus.   

  Directed into certain channels, it can be a very constructive pattern.  But the tendency for most is not constructive or spiritually uplifting in nature, but yet another box of limitations based on body reactions.

  If humanity spent less time and focus on body based reactions and energetics, and more time on spiritual ideals, Love, service, etc, then humanity would begin to free itself from the limiting pull of the Earth.  We would begin to collectively raise our vibratory patterns, and we would start to perceive and experience life differently--more positively, more harmoniously, more spiritually. 

  I've noticed that in my own life, that during periods of greater sex drive and lust, i've generally also been slower vibratory in other ways as well.   As i've attuned my body more and more to the level of my Expanded self, the less i experience lust or a strong sex drive, and that is without much regular or consistent meditation. 

  So in this, i agree more with Albert.  However, i do think Albert is painting it overly black and white.  As mentioned, there are constructive uses of the sex drive, though most don't use it in that way. 

  On a side note, i'm convinced that a vegetarian diet, eventually lowers testosterone some in the body, because of some studies done in prisons where inmates fed a vegetarian diet became more peaceful and calm after eating vegetarian.  I noticed some changes along those lines after i started to eat vegetarian.

 

Kathy:

I don't have enough information to quantify to what degree a person can make an energetic connection to a person he (or she) fantasizes about.  At the very least a person might end up sending some sex-based thoughts to the person that is fantasized about.

If astral thought leads to astral creations, I wonder if the fantasy-based thoughts of a physical person can lead to some sort of related astral creation. Such thoughts would probably be backed by a significant amount of emotional energy. If they are created, they might come to an end once the fantasy comes to an end.

Regarding what Justin just wrote, this World does seem to be too focussed on sex. If you looked at the energy field of a person who is addicted to internet porn, his energy might not look that good.  He might attract to himself some of those sex-pile spirits Justin referred to. There might be other astral entities that feed off his sexual energy. These beings might try to influence a person to view internet porn more frequently. When he dies he might join a sex pile, or get attracted to a still living sex addict. It would partly be a matter of how his other tendencies factor in.

Lights of Love wrote on Feb 5^th, 2015 at 12:24am:

Gman:

I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand there are some people that seem to be too fixated with making money while sharing spiritual information. Consider some of the Hay House people. Going by what they do one would think that only wealthy people who can afford cruises and expensive retreats at fancy resorts need spiritual knowledge. Perhaps poor people are more fortunate than the wealthy people who can afford to attend such events. 

On the other hand, people try to make money with other books, so to some degree it is okay with spiritual books. Going by Youtube, Nanci does share some information for free. I don't believe she is a fake. I can't say that I agree with all of her interpretations, but overall I've enjoyed listening to her videos.

http://michaelprescott.typepad.com/michael_prescotts_blog/2011/08/backwards-and-...

Hello doodad:

It is wonderful that you are breaking free of fundamentalism. Fear and spirituality are a horrible mix. My guess is that Jesus wasn't a fundamentalist. If something doesn't feel good in our heart, it is worth questioning.

Regarding Nanci, I don't get the impression that she is a fake (of course it is up to each person to decide for his or her self). At the end of her NDE she was told by the beings that were with her to forget about trying to remember everything she learned because she won't be able to.  They told her to just remember the love. This being the case, perhaps there are some points she didn't remember correctly.

People who have NDEs aren't infallible. If a person was a fundamentalist when he had an NDE, he might not be open to truly seeing how things work. If a person has less fear and is more open minded, he is likely to find out more during an NDE than a fundamentalist.

Albert

Hi,

Did you ever read about the pre-historic man who was found preserved frozen near a mountaintop alongside what could only be considered a battery? The whole situation was not explainable within our current theories of Earth's past history. So maybe there were epochs that are mostly ground away, dust to dust, separated by huge times of the earth resting and regenerating and losing memory of what came before.

An open mind with few conclusions drawn beyond personal experience might help our over-all understanding.

doodad wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2015 at 2:57pm:


DooDad. This is indirectly a referral to 2Bets post. I would also like a link to the so called battery found with this ten thousand year old deceased iceman!?? No doubt this link will never happen, except for some crank who posted it on the internet without a miniscule hair of verifiable evidence.  Gman 

2bets wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 6:20am:


You Said: "My computer crashed when I approached a site about this 'out of place artifact' we were discussing. Safari and Apple sent automated messages that there was a security breach but the Apple phone number suggested for such situations wasn't answered in my four ten-minute waits. So what's new (-: My computer remained frozen to those messages until last night."

Did I expect you to provide a link to the mystery battery found on the ten thousand year old iced up corpse? Heck No!...Computers always play up when you need them for verification, don't they!?

You Said: "However, doodad, I don't agree with your all or nothing two choices because it closes the door on other possibilities. Hypothetically, what if this planet was seeded with life to create a habitat for early space travelers from another realm? That would explain images of ufos in early oil paintings. And would they be Satan's emissaries if they were routinely coming back to check on man's progress over the centuries?"

I agree with you about space seeding. That would answer a lot of questions about our present evolution going back thousands of years. Not too sure about Satan and his emissaries role in all this.

You said: "I regret I don't know Nanci Danison's take on ufo's, to tie the discussion back to the thread's title."

I wouldn't believe a single word about UFO'S if she wrote about them. It would be just her researched angle on it she lifted, read, and plagiarized from other authors and websites, making out it came from divine sources personal to her. George Gman 

   


   

Hi DooDad,

First comment:  The Bible itself never provided a geologic date for creation, etc.  One has to separate what people have added to what the book actually says.  Having said that, I would add that there is still much wisdom in such writings along with the writings of other ancient cultures that one may consider considering....

Regarding former epochs of man:  Sure, why not.  The planet is old enough to have wiped the slate clean in terms of geologic time.  I would wonder tho if we are referring to the same "man".  Are we even genetically linked?  Would it matter?

For that matter, why is it important at all that this needs to be man?  Why isn't the spiritual or intellectual evolution of whales, for example, important?  One thinks these beings don't have souls or spirit?

I think so much of "our" (i.e. man) view that is absolutely consumed with man's concentric thinking.  There are many kinds of beings in the universe and man is only one species.  People need to get over it.  It's not only about them.