Don't come by here much anymore, but I felt I ought to swing by and see if any of you guys got the news that  Fred is Dead .
You all are big into unconditional love (PUL) and all that jazz, so are any of you going to undertake what would have to be the biggest display of PUL imaginable... i.e., trying to do a contact/retrieval of the Fredster? (Or if you already tried, I'm curious as to what reactions you got, if any.)
He might even be receptive to your efforts, as news is now coming out that his own hate-filled flock turned on him and EXCOMMUNICATED his a$$ last August - when he urged a "panel of male elders" that appointed themselves as WBC's new spokesmen (a coup, basically) to treat other church members (namely, his daughter, the reptilian-eyed, now-freshly-ousted WBC spokeswoman Shirley Phelps Roper) with "more kindness". How do you like that... in the end, Freddy Boy wasn't crass enough for his own church! Kicked out of his own home and the church he himself founded, he spent the last few months of his life in hospice care - cut off from everything and everyone he cared about, and with a broken heart (or more properly, a broken bundle of shrivelled sour grapes that passed for his heart.)
Divine justice? Could be! But if you're all about "PUL" here, you gotta try... right? Right?

B-dawg

Generally speaking, it's usually best to let Expanded guidance give you/bring to your awareness a case of retrieval.  To some extent these are tailored or matched--retrievers are often chosen for reasons for the particular cases they are given.   

   Also, i wonder if sometime guidance might perhaps let certain people (like a Phelps) face the consequences or stew in the fruits of their ugly reality, for a little while before trying to help release them?  This might teach them a good lesson, that they won't soon forget. 

I don't know, but i've wondered.

Guidance IS unconditionally loving and accepting (and looks for and sees the good in everything and everyone, if  it is there), but it also wants the best for our spiritual growth and that sometimes involves experiencing the consequences of our negative intents, effects on others, and actions.   

   

I read about this last night  My own take on the retieval situation is that our own reality, including this man's is internal, and the extent that he stays in an ugly belief system will only depend on how long his mind dwells there or when and if he is open to the possibilities.  My guess is help is available but not visible if he is not open to it. 

Retrievals are not automatic.  The retriever has to make it into his vibratory mind set or level.  The retrievee has to be open to the retrieval, insight and change.  If someone is in a focus level of consciousness that suits them for hatred or violence, and not open minded about examining their beliefs, then nothing will happen.  Telling him to go with helpers sounds all fine and dandy, but his post-mortem experience will remain just as hateful if he is not able to express love, atonement, forgiveness and change.

I don't pretend to know what his outcome would be.  I  myself am not a particularly experienced retriever.  And I do think that sometimes we may or may not be a good match for any one particular person, as Justin says. 

M

I'm disappointed. Here I thought would be an interesting challenge for you folks, and you say you "don't get to choose" who you retrieve? C'mon, y'all! Part of personal growth is taking up new challenges. One of you ("Spooky2" if he's still around, it was a long time ago) actually may have made contact (at my request!) with my cousin after he shot himself 8 years ago; some of the impressions/communications he got were eerily accurate! Coincidence? Who knows. I still haven't shown the recorded PM conversation I had with Spooky to my cousin's mother (because I still feel silly about the whole affair) but I'll bet she would like it if I did (she's into all this New Agey metaphysical stuff.)
Seriously... a group of the more-talented retrievers here ought to undertake a partnered retrieval effort to rescue the Fredster, and show him in the most unequivocal way that his Lovecraftian cosmic-horror picture of the afterlife was WRONG. What have you got to lose by trying? Maybe you'll even learn something.

B-dawg

Maybe a simple prayer for his soul on its passage, sending PUL his way. That's my plan.

[quote author=7364626E7764736473010 link=1395374955/9#9 date=1395509179]A part of personnel growth is having a humble attitude towards the beings who are directing the retrieval traffic flow, viewing retrievals as a serious matter rather than a game, and not trying to impress people.
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Arguably, existence itself is just a game (even if it's not much fun for most humans, because we're the pawns in it.) If there's some kind of Supreme Being, why would he/she/it care about the lives or attitudes of the little organic parasites (humans) that evolved in the universe it created... unless it was for amusement? And if there's NO creator, then there are no rules and no "meaning" to life except what we ourselves give. i.e., if we treat it as a game, then it IS a game!

B-dawg

Bardo wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2014 at 12:13pm:


  That is an excellent plan, i plan to follow your plan.

Then after, we can cook some flan in a pan maybe using some non sticking spam spray, because, well, flan is tasty.

Just being silly with this latter part, i do very much agree with the above quote of yours and will follow suit. 

I did the imagination method of retrievals in the beginning. While my eyes were closed I would see an image of a person in distress. I'd imagine myself interacting with that person and before I knew it I would be interacting with them in a way that seemed to be beyond what I was imagining.  We would be involved with the situation that related to where they were, and I would experience myself in that place. I received some confirmations that more than imagination was in play.

I help with retrievals differently now. My energetic system has been developed so a stream of energy from the light runs through me. While I am wide awake spirits who need help come to me. I can sometimes hear the noise they make as they enter my house. Sometimes a group of spirits will do this at one time.

I feel them get connected to my energy. The light energy I'm connected to cleanses the spirits so they can move on towards a higher level of being. Sometimes at the beginning their energy feels negative, but by the end of the process I feel love and peace. Sometimes I receive messages about the life story of the spirits that are helped.

I've done this thousands of times and have yet to be harmed.

I've received messsages that made the point that a lot of spirits need help. So much so, I can't see how I can make suggestions for schedule changes.