Partnered Exploration (PE); PE-Queries8

This is a call for PE, main purpose is to ask questions to guides or helpers
by the use of group energy. (This call for PE goes to several forums.)

For some of my ideas related to PE activities in general,
see this -> link (where the PE template also is commented).


Name of this PE is PE-Queries8 and its session dates & times (24 hour clock) are:

- PE-Queries8.sess01, 2012-11-24 18.00 UTC+0 (Saturday)
- PE-Queries8.sess02, 2012-11-25 18.00 UTC+0 (Sunday)


Example 1, for Sweden, Germany, Italy and most of EU this becomes:
- PE-Queries8.sess01, 2012-11-24 19.00 UTC+1 (Saturday)
- PE-Queries8.sess02, 2012-11-25 19.00 UTC+1 (Sunday)

Example 2, for U.S. Eastern Time this becomes:
- PE-Queries8.sess01, 2012-11-24 13.00 UTC-5 (Saturday)
- PE-Queries8.sess02, 2012-11-25 13.00 UTC-5 (Sunday)


(If I make an error somewhere in the examples, please correct me.)
DST is _not_ in effect in America or EU as I know of during this PE.


Activity: We are going to ask two main questions to guides & helpers.

The two main questions may result in follow-up questions or need for
clarifications. This can take a good deal of time, and that's why
I've limited this PE to only two main questions.


The first question is related to T Campbell's viewpoint that the physical
universe (matter, light, etc) is just a simulation, which consists of
digital Consciousness. Sometimes Campbell says that Consciousness is
just Data and the Data is digital in its nature.

This means that the physical universe doesn't exist if Consciousness
withdraws from the physical universe, because the physical universe
doesn't exist on its own right in the first place.

This means that if the Consciousness which is used for maintaining the physical
universe, is put into some other kind of use, the physical universe will cease
to exist. I think Campbell has also expressed it in the way that the physical
universe is only "virtual", and he sometimes uses the abbreviation PMR for the
physical (matter) universe.


IMPORTANT: I'll create a list of participants (LIPA) as people state that they
want to join this PE. The LIPA will be used for maintaining in what order
people can ask questions to guides & helpers.

Only one person at a time, from the LIPA, will ask all questions. The others
will just listen until the questions have been answered. Then the next person
from the LIPA will begin asking the same main questions and add that person's
own flavoured follow-up questions.

On some forums I can't update the first post after some time has passed. This
means that if you are a PE-Queries8 participant, you'll have to take a look
at the final LIPA in order to know how many persons before you will ask the
same questions, before it's your turn. So... ->

IMPORTANT TIME: Final LIPA set at 2012-11-24 12.00 UTC+0 (Saturday),
for both sessions.

After that point in time, I'll not add any more people to the LIPA. You
may still be able to participate in the PE, but you'll have to settle
for listening to the answers.


(Note, this PE should not be mixed up with earlier scheduled PE-AdjustEnergy7.)



PE Action:

Relax, possible gather PUL. If needed, go nonphysically to a favorite place
of yours and request a guide leading you to the Garden & Park. Otherwise go
directly to the Garden & Park as mentioned in PE-Alien6. I'll include the
new map of the area for completeness:




If no images can be seen by your minds eye, imagine peeling an orange.
If you see anything, imagine greeting the others at the Park & Garden.
My guess by now is that the Garden & Park is somewhere in Focus 27.

Once you sense some other people, gather in a circle and send supportive
energy, positive feelings to the first person to ask questions.


Then just observe and try to pick up any answers and any follow-up questions.

When it's your turn to ask the main questions, step into the middle of the
circle of people, direct yourself to the guide present and ask your questions.

When you've gotten answers, you may choose to ask follow-up questions, of
you own choice. Take as long time as you want to.

If you feel moved to another place, just follow, observe and see what happens.
You may be taken for a ride alone or together with others. Perhaps you'll get
a task to perform, but most likely is that you just observe something
somewhere.

Keeping an open mind at all times.


MAIN QUESTION 1 TO GUIDE: - If Consciousness leaves physical reality, does physical
reality still exists on its own, without the need for the presence of Consciousness?

MAIN QUESTION 2 TO GUIDE: - Why is it so difficult for some people to OBE and what
can be done to improve OBE ability?


If you can't pick up the answer or if the answer is unclear, you can proceed
with some follow-up questions to the guide:

- Can you answer this question?
- Are you interested in the answer?
- If you can't answer the question, can you take us to someone who can?
- I'll rephrase my question; does physical reality exist independent of
  Consciousness being present?
- What's the most common reason beside fear, that makes it difficult for
  people to OBE?
- (any other questions you may have)


Explicit participants:

Anyone can participate, just state that you will join the PE in this thread.
You don't need to have been on any previous PE. I'll call the list of
participants for the LIPA. As an aid for everyone to find each other,
I'll also state the originating forum behind that participants forum
nick. So far the LIPA goes like this:

List of Participants (LIPA) of PE-Queries8:

PauliEffect (Afterlife Knowledge)


Also, I'll keep myself at the last person of the list, so everyone gets to
ask the questions before me.

betson wrote on Nov 4^th, 2012 at 9:28am:

Most PEs in this forum have not that special time frame. I've linked to one of Moen's
posts (follow link above) where he writes that the time is not important. But...

At the same time, some people on other forums may think the time frame is important,
and I do too. So such beliefs make me want to have a more controlled time frame.

Those who don't mind other times, will perhaps silently follow there own time?


betson wrote on Nov 4^th, 2012 at 9:28am:

The Moon is in synchronous rotation with Earth, and the slight movement back
and forth is mostly due to the Moon's elliptic orbit. The Moon shows about the
same side (liberation) to Earth due to it being tidally locked to Earth.

Still, the Moon is far away.

There is one week left to this PE starts, but very few have showed interest.

Maybe I could reduce the requirements, by saying that putting intent and
making a post in this thread, is all that's needed for the PE to get an
increased possibility to succeed.

You could also try to participate either by putting intent before you go
to bed (you probably wont remember much that way, but I can tell you
on the forum afterwards). You have at least a span of ±24 hours to play
with during next weekend.

I don't request that anyone ask questions, your presence in the PE circle
is probably the most important thing, as I don't fare well without group
energy, or at least I've been very unsuccessful getting answers on my
own to those two questions (see starting post above) so far.

I have the feeling that I need 3 more persons for this PE. No skills
whatsoever are needed.

(Note: This post may not be without textual faults, as I began writing
one thing, then went back and forth until I seemed to get the
timeline in the text correct in comparison to my first notes.)


PE-Queries8.sess01, First Session on 2012-11-24 (Saturday)


Skriet Alien retrieval (see also this link)

I start my PE session a little ahead of time, perhaps 20 minutes before
the scheduled time. I want to be a good host, so I should arrive
before anyone else at the PE.

I very directly move to the inner of Vicky's Garden. I move around
a little and quite soon I find a Skriet Alien (a dead human,
who believes she/he is an alien), who needs a retrieval. I get the
feeling that this Skriet Alien feels rather lonely, but wont leave
until someone who looks like a plausible fellow alien will emerge.

I talk to the Skriet Alien and get the impression that whatever energy
I transfer, it initiates the retrieval and Helpers take over rather
quickly. Perhaps these Skriet Aliens are not retrieved by anyone else
than me? And when I appear, the Helpers take the chance to utilize
my presence?

---


To the Park

I look at the wall (of the house) which is located at the "down side" of
the image I've provided previously (see thread start). There is a big
window on the wall of the house. I haven't noticed that the window was
that big before. It must be the window into the kitchen of Vicky's house.

Suddenly Vicky appears in the window and slowly moves through the glass.
I am surprised. Is it her higher self, a Vicky impersonator or the real
Vicky? She has not told me in advance that she would participate.

She has a very tricky look on her face. I don't know what to expect.
Vicky points to the opening in the thick hedge, I can see a bright
white light coming from something beyond the hedge opening.

Vicky says: "Go there."

I respond: "Please join."

Vicky says: "I will."


I move into the Park area. No one seems to be there. Or well, maybe
some people at great distance ahead, but no one within 200 meters at
least. I make a full turn somewhere at the "bigger PE circle".

Nothing seems unusual. The low hill, behind which I saw A Edvin the first
time, seems even lower this time, only being part of the Park lawn. I notice
a rather large bush, which I've not seen before. The bush appears at some
distance at the the lower right corner of my picture of the Garden & Park.

I continue to scan a little more, because this is the best 360 degree
view I've ever got of the Park area near Vicky's Garden.

---


Fancy Mansion

As I look back to Vicky's House, I realize that it's gone. Vicky's House has
been replaced by a large Mansion. The building is white, with several small
towers. The roofs of the building and its towers are deep red.

All parts of the Mansion are connected like a huge white cake, with red
toppings. My surroundings seem to be some kind of other world now, almost
like I'm slightly into a fairy tale.

I'm curious and move towards the Mansion. I've no problems entering the
building. I see long old aged hallways of very luxury sorts. The inner
walls are covered with expensive wooden panels and the floor has exquisite
tiles. I move into big rooms, which gives away the air of being conference
rooms. Part of the inner building gives away a very serious impression,
while the exterior more felt like a big fairy tale Mansion. The wood work
of the inner rooms and hallways also seems yellow or golden, emitting a
golden aura, perhaps like the yellow light in many of Miami CSI's TV
episodes. Maybe I sense a pair of colored glasses in front of me?

The Mansion seems to be completely empty on people, like everyone left
the building in excellent shape.

The only thing which may be odd, is that I don't seem to see much (any)
furniture inside the Mansion. I also try to figure out if the conference
rooms are in fact dining rooms, but can't make up my mind.

---


The PE starts

I move out again, to the Park area. Once out, I find myself on the low
hill close to where I first saw A Edvin. I look at the Mansion.

Now something strange happens. I can only describe it as; many "Token
Aliens" appearing. I'm not sure if these Token Aliens are real beings
or if they symbolize something. But they come and go out of my nonvisual
view. I can only get short impressions of these Token Aliens. I don't get
any solid fix on any of them. Most Token Aliens only appear a brief moment,
looking kind of transparent. I also see two regular small alien greys,
they look very solid. I can't make out if A Edvin is one of them, but
the other alien grey is really digging in the soil. The greys appear
to the left side of the area.

My best guess is that I sensed these Tokens Aliens because they were very
busy doing a lot of work all over the place. To my best ability I would
say the Token Aliens looked like some kind of mix of an Alien Grey and an
Albino Alien. How many are they? 20? 50?

Then I see Vicky again. She stands on the lawn in front of me. Behind her
is the Mansion. The Token Aliens, who up until now very rapidly have moved
around all over the place, going in and out of my view, fade away.

I see the black key Vicky once handed over to me. I'm a little puzzled
what to do. Didn't I put that black key into my pocket long ago?

I reach down my pocket and hold the black metal key in my hand. Vicky
shows me something. Is it a wooden hatch? Most of my surroundings have
faded away and I only see a wooden hatch in a wall of some sort.

I put the black key into a key hole in the hatch and opens the wooden
hatch. Inside the opening I see a dark night sky and a lot of stars.

(Here my memory has faded. I'm not sure I remember what happened.)


I think I sense CFTraveler to my right. I then sense teagueblue in front
of me at some distance. Then I sensed IA56 close to my left. Behind me,
slightly to my right I sense Vicky, she kind of stays off the PE circle.

I can't remember if I was a good host and greeted everyone. Maybe I just
wanted to get the PE action started, as there had been so many unrelated
events in between?

As long as we were standing in the circle, I initially had great difficulties
convincing teagueblue to move closer to the rest of us.

I first suggest that CFTraveler go ask the PE-Queries8 questions, but she
somehow shows me to teagueblue. We all encourage teagueblue to ask the
questions and aid by sending helping energies.

But things don't seem to work out well. Teagueblue just seems to spin
around his (a he?) vertical axis. I get the impression that teagueblue
is male, rather slim, early 30ies or late 20ies, but I have no idea.
Teagueblue could as well be an old short heavy woman.

I make several attempts to get teagueblue to ask the questions, but he
seems to either float or swim (?) somewhere. At times we leave the Park
and move into dark space, with some faint stars at a distance.

I work perhaps 10-15 minutes to get teagueblue to ask the Main Questions,
as I felt directed to do so by CFTraveler. If teagueblue asked any questions
I don't know. I couldn't hear any answers either.

At some late point I sense Bruce Moen. He doesn't participate in the PE,
he just observes us, almost like a teacher looking at how his pupils
are doing when perform some kind of work task. I also see someone who
I think is Campbell. I think Campbell is more involved in our PE activity
than what Moen is. Campbell smiles at me at one moment. At other moments
I see Campbell in his business suit while he is wearing sunglasses. He
again smiles at us. Is he teasing us or just amused? I decide that I
think he probably is amused of what we are doing.

So far we haven't managed much in regards of our PE goals...

We are at some point back at the inner region of Vicky's Garden, at the
place in the picture where the red albino alien dot is marked. There
is a white garden table almost exactly where the red dot is on the
picture. We are four PE persons only. I can't remember if I switched
to have CFTraveler as the one asking the Main PE Questions at this
point in time.

My impressions now are a mixture of things related to the PE and things
which I have no idea of. I think I managed to remember all important parts.

---


Strange Impressions

I'm at a beach ("my place's" beach?). I notice a young tall man. He looks
like the Greek Hector I've seen before. Then he fades and only become
a painting. Perhaps that's an indication that I can't ask him for help
right now?

In my non-visual vision, in my mind's eye, I now see a female hand, which
takes and holds my (?) hand. She moves her hand up and down several times.
The hands-impression comes and goes.

Then I only see her hand. Her hand is doing something, turning some papers
of a book (?).

I have no idea what is happening. Going back to the Park becomes a failure
each time I try. I can't even sense my fellow PE participants anymore. I'm
wondering if this is becoming a very poor PE...

After what seems like a long time, I eventually can see some sunshine. I'm
on my back and I can see the sunshine through branches of trees above me.
I just assume that I'm back in the Park, but what's the meaning of the
sunshine?

I feel so calm and at ease.

I move my vision around. More sunshine through branches and I sense tree
trunks nearby. Then I realize that my vision of the sunshine is kind of
distorted. It's like I'm looking at the sunshine through water. Am I on
my back at the bottom of a Park pond, beneath the surface of the water?

It clearly feels like I'm observing through water, and it feels like the
best moment during the PE. I'm doing nothing at all, just watching upward.

I force myself out of it and am again back at the vision of the female
hand, which turns papers in a book. I try to get a better look of who's
behind the hand. I see a woman around 35. She has dark hair tied up in
a ball at the back of her head. She looks slim and small.

I think she is some kind of guide. I try to get an even better impression of
her and what she is doing. She then becomes unfriendly. And switches between
being unfriendly and neutral, at times she looks "evil".

I'm just guessing now, but I think that the ball-haired woman was a guide
and perhaps I was interfering with whatever she did. She tried to cut me
out, but perhaps wasn't able to do the cutting-out completely as she at
the same time interacted with me somehow.


I try to scan my surroundings, but just get the impression of more unfriendly
beings. Sending PUL helps little. Then it strikes me. Perhaps I should
ask Tabitha for help? After all she may be some kind of higher being now.
I haven't seen Tabitha since we sent her healing, so I know nothing of
what happened to her since.

To my surprise I manage to home in on Tabitha, sensing her quite near me.
She turns her alien face towards me and hisses me off while showing her
pointy teeth.

That was a scare.

Apparently I don't know what I'm supposed to do, as I can't get hold of
my fellow PE participants and I'm being stopped when I do something.

---


Back at PE

I don't know how I got back to the PE session, but I can sense several
persons, and I'm quite sure my PE fellows are there. I take a good scan
of the people in the PE circle. Besides me, I clearly sense 8 (eight)
more persons. Maybe some people are participating here, but are asleep
on Earth?

While I'm directing my attention to the PE group, CFTraveler comes from
behind and says: "It's your turn now."

CFTRaveler then pushes my in my back. She is pushing me forward.

Push. Push. PUsH. pUSh. PUSH. PUSH. Push. PuSh. PusH. Push...

Her pushing is a little irregular and I feel like being pushed forward
by a large animal. Is this really CFTRaveler behind me? She acts more
like a pushy guide.

I must have been pushed forward at least 20 times, probably 30 times.
The pushing goes on for so long that I notice that I'm unable to do
anything else then follow in the movement of each push.

---


My Questions

Eventually the pushing slows down.

I scan and look out for any non-visual visuals, any impressions or any
mind's eye images or knowings. I have a hard time sensing anything.
I also have a little physically felt stomach ache so that has made
me move in and out of my deeper state.

Perhaps I faintly sense an Alien who resembles the Thor Asgard from
one of the SG TV-series. If that's a guide, Thor is a good metaphor.

I decide to ask my question to this faintly sensed Thor.

I ask: "If Consciousness leaves physical matter, does physical matter
still exist?"

Thor gives no response. That was strange. Or am I just poor at picking
up his answer? Maybe if I rephrase my Main Question a little?


I ask: "If Consciousness leaves physical matter, will there be a
residue left?"

Thor responds both with a knowing and a sign: "Yes... No."


(What?)

I'm completely perplexed. Was that a Yes and a No in the same answer?
Why do these guides so often make it difficult to get answers? A Yes-No
is not an answer. Or is it me who is poor at perceiving the answer? I
feel a little unhappy at this moment.

I ask the question again and again, stating that I didn't understand
the first answer.

Thor's response: "..."

He seems to meet me with silence, no answer at all now!

I ask my self tired, then decide that I've failed. Perhaps IA56 wants
to ask questions after all. I easily find IA56 and ask if she would
want to give some questions to the guide? She apparently must have
changed her mind, because she now seems happy to ask questions.
I can hear her clearly with my mind's ear.

IA56 asks: "Why doesn't matter exist?" (Pause) "Why does Love exist?"

I get the impression that IA56 asks those questions in her own language.
Somewhat strange questions, as the first one is a negative implication
and her second question was not among the PE Main Questions. I don't
mind as maybe she got much better answers than I got.

Also, her negated question on matter (the doesn't), made me aware
that I just from the beginning assumed that matter exists on some level.

Well, I have to assume something, as I originate from observations, right?
I'm not sure how much support I have from my guides on that issue. Maybe
I should try to find out?

I zoom in on Thor again, but find no one.

---

(continued...)

PE-Queries8.sess02, Second Session on 2012-11-25 (Sunday)


A slow start

Before this session I decided to ask Aardema's question first, because
I got so lousy answers on my own Main Questions.

This session is on a Sunday. I'm looking for the Park. I see no Park
or Garden. I try to sense the others in the PE. I get the feeling that
I should ask my questions. But am I not stepping ahead of my fellow PE
people? I've barely started and they can clearly not have asked any of
the Main Questions yet?


I see Monroe. He is sits and looks at me. I realize that I got my chance.
Without hesitation I act.

I ask Aardema's question: "What is reality?"

Monroe fades away. I see garble, I hear garble. I see grey shades. I watch
some unnamely substance bubble and boil. I do my best for over a minute
to perceive or imagine anything, but I just get a grey dark mess as a
response. From a long distance I hear something.

An answer: "(mumble).. ohh.. a lot of energy..."

Somehow I get two impressions. I sense that someone tries to answer my
question but the response is too far away from me. I also get a faint
feeling that my question covers too much. It's too wide.

Finally I give up and only wait. Monroe appears again.

Monroe says: "We are short on time."

He then fades away. Jeeez, Mr Monroe, was that helpful? Am I supposed to
act quicker? Ask faster or allow shorter time for each of my fellow PE
participants to ask their questions, is that what I'm expected to do?

And now quite a long period passes, when absolutely nothing happens. It
must be several minutes where I get nothing. All my imagination tricks
fail. I eventually decide to just rest and wait things out.

I see light.

---


Paris in rain

It's like I'm back at the Park at the bottom of the pond, looking upwards
through the water. At first I see the light, the sunshine. Then I also
see some of the branches and leaves of the trees. But something is
different. It looks darker.

I take a good look at the shiftings of the light by the water and then
realizes that I'm suddenly looking at a pool of rainwater from above.
I can see many drops of rainwater hit the pool and the surface of the
pool reflects some pale light from above.

I'm standing on a street or rather, on a pavement in a town. I look up
and it's a grey rainy day. When I look at a distance to my left there
is lots of open space and in the far, the rain makes it impossible to
see any buildings. But I think there is some kind of stone bridge ahead.

To my right is some kind of regular residential town house and straight
ahead the pavement and street continues.

In front of me there is a woman, 25 - 30 years of age. There is also
a child nearby. The woman wears a raincoat of a little dated sort.

I get the feeling of early 1960ies, perhaps even the year 1961.

There probably are a few more people ahead, but I can't get any clear
impressions of them. The woman close to me moves in a way which resembles
an actress. She kind of poses like someone takes photos of her for a
fashion magazine of the older kind. Also, as she is quite slim that
strengthens the feeling of fashion.

I wonder for a moment if this is another retrieval starting, but things
never develop in that direction. But I have had one similar retrieval
so my association with retrievals is not totally off.

The time of day is at the afternoon, but there's still daylight outside,
even if the weather is very rainy and grey.

Shift of scene.

I now see an open town area, like a square or plaza. I'm having a bird's
eye perspective and I can see a woman running across the open town area.
The rain is falling heavier now. I can sense a few people at the edges of
my visual view, but the rain seems to have kept most people indoors.

I see the first woman again. Behind her in the rain, I can see la tour Eiffel,
the Eiffel Tower. That's a small surprise for me, because I seldom get
any information on where I am. Shift of scene.

I see a pair, a man and a woman. They walk towards me. The woman kind of
goes out of my field of view to my right, but the man I can see fairly well.

I estimate the man to be around 35, so the woman is probably of the same
age, because they seem fairly friendly. The man holds around the woman.
He also wears a hat, which is typical of the time.

The rain is really pouring down now. The man and woman are both wearing
raincoats, but I think they still get fairly wet both of them. The man
is never really looking towards me. The pair is walking on a very open
town area. I can't sense much of any buildings.

Shift of scene. I see a few corners of two or three houses. I then see
the headlights from a car front moving towards me.

Shift of scene. I'm back again at the walking man and woman. The scene
then repeats itself several times, maybe as many as 10 times.

At one moment I see a very broad avenue, where headlights from another car
moves towards me, but from a greater distance. To my right at the avenue
I sense at least two bridges with low stone walls to prevent pedestrians
from falling off the bridge. I just assume that these bridges are placed
across the Paris river Seine.

All those images of a rainy Paris seem to be during daytime, but with very
dark skies and grey surroundings. I get to see some more town scenes with
only few people running or walking in the rain, all wearing raincoats.


At most of the time in the rain I feel very calm and at ease. It makes me
feel quite good. I rest. Sometimes I wonder if I should pay more attention
to Monroe's comment, that we are short on time, but I really can't do much
to the PE as long as I am unable to get to the Garden.

At one occasion I actually get into a café in Paris. Then I'm back at the
Eiffel Tower.

My attempts to talk to people on the streets of Paris give no results.


La Tour Eiffel


---


Pierre Marcel

I'm in the rain, close to the Eiffel Tower. Then I move slightly up into
the air and watch the Eiffel Tower from a bird's perspective. I see a lawn.

It doesn't rain as much as before.

I look at the lawn in front of the Eiffel Tower. There seems to be some
people at the lawn.

The impression of the lawn makes me try to get to the Garden & Park, but
there is no go. I continue to stay at some distance from the Eiffel Tower.

I now have moved close down to the lawn. There is no longer any rain. The
lawn is very green, but I can't sense direct sunshine, but the day is
very lit up, so I guess that that there only are a few clouds in the sky.

I can see some young people at close range on the lawn. Some are laying
down, some stand up. I also notice that almost none of the persons, in the
age of about 25, wear any jackets. Most of the persons wear long sleeved
shirts, also the women. Perhaps they are students?

So the weather is fine and its an excellent day in front of the Eiffel
Tower. But what am I supposed to do?


I force myself back to the Garden and Park. I now sense my fellow PE
participants. I get to see and greet teagueblue, CFTraveler, IA56, Vicky,
Moen, Campbell and some more people I'm unsure who they are.

I do very brief attempts to help anyone else ask the questions before I
place myself in the queue.

And when I decide it's my time in the PE to ask the Main Questions, I
slide back to Paris and end up at the lawn in front of the Eiffel Tower.


One young woman walks in front of me on the lawn, she has a very fashionable
hair style. I see two men laying side by side on the lawn. I just guess they
all know each other, in total there is perhaps 5-10 persons at close range.

I notice that one of the young person, a dark haired man around 25, looks
at me. So far, none of the people in Paris has looked at me, at least not
for more than a brief moment. But this dark haired man looks a little
longer at my direction, almost like he can see me.

I ask for his name and almost immediately say "Pierre" to myself while I at
the same time see the name Marcel in my mind's eye. Does he have
two names? Pierre Marcel? I memorizes the names before I proceed as I'm
very deep into my session and have to float upwards a little or I will
easily forget such details as a person's name.


Pierre Marcel.

I now assume that he is a guide.

I begin to ask my questions to him. For most of the time Pierre Marcel
lazily lies on the lawn. There is a second man on the lawn close to Pierre,
but the second man never interacts with me.

When I ask my original Main Question I get some odd answers, more cryptic
than helping me. I forgot some details as I was deep into the session
and only tried to remember the important parts.

I also carried with me the strange answers from the day before, which I had
taken to the extent that I was unable to even talk about the existence of
Consciousness.

Little by little I managed to produce the right questions. On the way I have
already forgotten some of my less important questions and less important
answers I received.

I remember Pierre Marcel showing my a pillar of big brick stones and stating
that at one end physical reality was located and at the other end, several
bricks away, more than 10 bricks away, the "other" reality was located. I
asked him what some of the "double bricks" meant. Joints, he responded.
I can't really say that I understood his brick pillar symbolism.

At one time I see my colored glasses which I apparently use in a metaphorical
way to watch the world. I remember Monroe's glasses and I wonder why I
get to talk to Pierre.

I ask: "Why are you the one who answers my questions?"

Pierre Marcel answers: "I'm chosen as being the best choice. I have the
least colored glasses."

I notice that for a short moment Pierre Marcel wears a pair of colored
glasses, but his glasses only have mild shades of grey, there are no
rainbow colors in his glasses. But the lenses in Pierre's glasses have
not the exact same shades, they are off in shade from each other.

The next moment Pierre Marcel is again without glasses. His glasses never
re-appear during the remainder of our PE session.

---

(continued...)

Post PE-Queries8 session experiences & thoughts

The info in this post may be wrong, so keep a sceptic mind when
reading.

Some days after PE-Queries8 was finished, I had a session on
2012-11-30, with some strange responses, which I didn't like.
Later I also shortly managed to get some responses on 2012-12-06
and 2012-12-07 after fairly long and mostly unfruitful sessions.

So I hesitated to add these responses to the thread, but have now
decided to do so, in the hope anyone else will benefit from them
or take the effort to straighten out the question marks.

I'll put this post-PE-result on all forums where I've previously
made the PE-Queries8 call.

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Some small details, probably unimportant

At most times when Tabitha (see PE-Alien6) has shown up, she has emerged
from the left of my non-visual field, with the right side of her face
towards me in half-profile. I don't know if her appearance matters,
but I mention it anyway in case it could show any significance.

I've also called her and similar aliens, the Albino Aliens, but
they have only appeared white and light grey to me, and have
always had big black eyes (not albino red, as is the case
with most of Earth's albinos).


When I spoke to Pierre Marcel at the lawn of the Eiffel Tower,
I asked him one question which resulted in me wondering if he
was alien. It just went like this.

Me asking: "Are you part of my I-There?"

Pierre Marcel: "No."

Perhaps not very important, but that was the response which made
me wonder if Pierre Marcel came from outside of Earth.


Also, when I were at "my-place" during PE-Queries8, more than once,
the ground at the beach line rose, like the ground was moved up
by a slowly moving landslide/earthquake.

I don't know what that meant, but it felt like the part of the
ground, close to the ocean, moved in a huge wave like motion,
forcing the beach to form into a slope, down towards the water.

The ground raise could be the result of symbolism or "energy movements".
Perhaps I was just "moved" to another nonphysical place?

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Low-Level-Consciousness & Primitive-Stone-Consciousness

During the week after PE-Queries8, a chat friend of mine asked about
the difference between the Consciousness of a stone and that of
Low-Lev-Consc. My friend also asked what happened to the stone's
Consciousness if the stone was divided into two halves. I made
a response, which was mostly a guess, on what I thought was
reasonable at the time.

Later that week, on 2012-11-30, I asked the same question to one
of my guides and found out that my initial guess was wrong (I'll
refrain from repeating my faulty assumption).

The answer I got from my guide, made me doubt what I picked up, as
my guide's response didn't quite fit with my idea of Consciousness.
So I have to point out that my guide's answer was:

A. Not as clear a message as those I got during PE-Queries8.
B. Possibly wrong, I may be completely wrong, picking up things poorly.
C. Only partly understandable.
D. A test (?) in some kind of way, by my guides.
E. (other issues?)


I have to introduce the concept of a stone's Consciousness, and I'll
call that; Primitive-Stone-Consciousness (Prim-Stone-Consc). The choice
of name may be bad as Prim-Stone-Consc doesn't seem to apply to stones
alone, but I have no other good name. I would also like if someone
really good at asking guides questions, would pick my claims apart,
as they don't fit well into what I want to believe.

My impression is that Prim-Stone-Consc is a fairly "high" Consciousness
compared to Low-Lev-Consc. And still, Prim-Stone-Consc is a quite dim
Consciousness compared to human Consciousness.


Low-Lev-Consc permeates all of universe, is my impression. There may be
slight shifts in Low-Lev-Consc, but as a total, all over our physical
universe, Low-Level-Consc is the same one (?) Consciousness at sub-atomic
particle level. I also think that Low-Lev-Consc is almost unaffected
by heat (like inside a sun) or exposed to concentration like inside
the heavy matter of a black hole. Low-Lev-Consc may also be directly
connected to the various forces of nature, like gravity and electrical
charge, but I don't really know. Low-Lev-Consc is part of everything,
including dark energy/matter and photons.

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The post-PE-Queries8 responses

I saw a guide who looked like my Greek Hector guide, but it may have
been a different guide as he seemed smaller in stature this time.

Anyway, I asked: "If you break a stone into two halves will the stone's
Consciousness also be divided?"

Hector guide: "No. There will still be one stone Consciousness."

Anyway, I asked: "If you break a stone into two halves will any part of
the stone's Consciousness disappear from the stone halves?"

Hector again: "No."

That was a surprise to me, the Consciousness of the two separated stone
halves would still be the same Consciousness and shared by both of the
stones (stone halves). I continued with questions about Prim-Stone-Consc.


I asked: "Does water have a different Consciousness than Prim-Stone-Consc?"

Hector guide: "No. Water has the same Consciousness as stone."

Ohh, that sounded really strange, I repeated my question but got the
same answer. Same Consciousness. I tried something else.


I asked: "Does molten lava have a different Consciousness than Prim-Stone-Consc?"

Hector guide: "Yes."

I asked: "Does this mean that all stone on Earth has the same
Consciousness?"

Hector guide, hesitated: "That's... Yes."


I continued: "Does stone on Earth and stone on planet Mars have the
same Consciousness?"

Hector guide, hesitated: "No. Stones on different planets have different
Consciousnesses"


As you can see, these responses don't match up. For example, I can't
understand why water and stone would have the _same_ Prim-Stone-Consc.
I also don't understand why molten lava in such a case would have a
_different_ Consciousness than Prim-Stone-Consc.

I want to point out that these follow-up responses were not as clearly
perceived as those I got during PE-Queries8, so there are lots of room
for error. I wanted to report it anyway, as it's related to Consciousness
and I hope that someone else will check it out.

---


Later on 2012-12-06 and 2012-12-07 I repeated some of my questions.
This time my guide looked like the TV-series Stargate asgard Thor.

I asked if Prime-Stone-Consc is the same Consciousness as water.

Thor answered both in words and showing a sign: "Yes...No"

I noted that I couldn't perceive any ending dot after the capital No,
in the sign Thor held in front of his chest. I asked more specific
about water and stone Consciousness and got the answer that they are
almost the same, but not identical. The answer is one of those unclear
responses that make me wonder what part of the answer I failed to
pick up correctly. What does the word "almost" mean in this context?

I also got the strange answer that there exists matter in the universe,
matter which has no other Consciousness than Low-Lev-Consc. But I got
the further response that as soon as atoms form, some kind of higher
level of Consciousness (for example Prim-Stone-Consc) enters the atoms.


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Bell's Theorem

I may not be completely on the spot here, so view my words as mostly
speculative. I got some faint "knowings" during my Hector-guide session,
but I also have made some thinking afterwards. So there is a lot of
colored-glasses-ideas going on from my side.

This section is related to Bell's theorem.

Bell's theorem is related to quantum entanglement, which in itself
is very strange for me to understand.

Bell's theorem states that either one or both of classic physic's principles
are wrong. The first principle is realism; the Moon still exists
even when you don't look at it. Campbell rejects realism, as I got it.
The second principle says that to get any behaviour from elementary
particles, they have to react to "local variables". Campbell's view on
Consciousness, leaves out the need for local variables.

Bell's theorem says that there are no _hidden_ local variables, which
can explain all quantum physical events.

So...

Could there be any non-local, meaning global, variables?

Well, yes, Low-Lev-Consc could take on the role of a hidden global variable.

For example F DeMarco, when he talks to The Guys Upstairs (TGU),
they say that there is no greater distance from them (TGU) to DeMarco,
than there is from TGU to aliens millions of light years away.

I have the feeling that the same principle applies for Low-Lev-Consc. There
is at some level no great distance between different part of physical
reality if you go through Low-Lev-Consc.

And by skipping the problem of distance and not needing any local hidden
variables (which Bell's theorem also rejects), and instead using the
"global" variable (or rather, property) of Low-Lev-Consc, you could
explain why entanglement works "faster-than-light-speed".

During my later Thor-guide sessions I got confirmation that Low-Lev-Consc
is "responsible" for maintaining the entanglement between photons, but
at that time my glasses had turned purple of beliefs.


Finally comes the problem of detecting and proving the existence of
Low-Lev-Consc, describing its properties in more exact quantities.
That's a much harder issue.