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Re: "Heaven is for Real" Colton's NDE at Age 4
Reply #30 - Jun 26^th, 2012 at 1:05pm

Along with being a troll, and wanting to have his posts read as a indication of his importance somehow, Alan tends to post things and not make it clear that he didn't write them (I have shown this in the past). I know he didn't specifically claim he wrote this, however he did change the name of the girl and conveniently not mention that he is not the author.

Alan next time please start a new thread and be clear about who the author of your post is. Or you can keep doing this and I can keep pointing it out. Actually your stuff I avoid; the only reason I lurk occasionally on this site is to read what Don and his serious debaters have to say.

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Reply #31 - Jun 26^th, 2012 at 4:02pm

Hello,

You all who continue to be doubt these ‘afterlife experiences' need to be abit more critical of your doubts. Try being even partially as critical as you are of others’ beliefs.

Harvey, regarding your post --
the first part just describes some of the nitty-gritty of how to get published. How would you expect such a title to get published? It’s interesting to know but it doesn’t prove anything.

The second part, the NYT article, is filled with ‘could’s and with the need for validations, so it represents its writer’s frame of mind, not facts either --

Think of what you ‘could' have done compared with what you did. "I could have ....” What? Become a better person? But I didn’t. Become a great artist? But I didn’t. Coulds don’t happen. Could’s invalidate (just like woulds and shoulds.) They aren’t worth your time, Harvey. Be suspicious of them!

That writer’s need for validation is sad. He’s looking for truth in the wrong way by asking that a four-year olds story be set up like legal testimony in a trial. Who raises four year olds that way? That family didn’t know when the boy started his memories of his NDE that he would have so many facets of experience, so how could they be prepared for what he would continue to reveal?

Please make sure that your critiques can hold up under scrutiny.

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Reply #32 - Jun 27^th, 2012 at 6:10pm

betson wrote on Jun 26^th, 2012 at 4:02pm:

Hello,

You all who continue to be doubt these ‘afterlife experiences' need to be abit more critical of your doubts. Try being even partially as critical as you are of others’ beliefs.

Harvey, regarding your post --
the first part just describes some of the nitty-gritty of how to get published. How would you expect such a title to get published? It’s interesting to know but it doesn’t prove anything.

The second part, the NYT article, is filled with ‘could’s and with the need for validations, so it represents its writer’s frame of mind, not facts either --

Think of what you ‘could' have done compared with what you did. "I could have ....” What? Become a better person? But I didn’t. Become a great artist? But I didn’t. Coulds don’t happen. Could’s invalidate (just like woulds and shoulds.) They aren’t worth your time, Harvey. Be suspicious of them!

That writer’s need for validation is sad. He’s looking for truth in the wrong way by asking that a four-year olds story be set up like legal testimony in a trial. Who raises four year olds that way? That family didn’t know when the boy started his memories of his NDE that he would have so many facets of experience, so how could they be prepared for what he would continue to reveal?

Please make sure that your critiques can hold up under scrutiny.

Betson

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Mogenblue Senior Member Offline dutch spirit Posts: 370 Amsterdam Gender:	Re: "Heaven is for Real" Colton's NDE at Age 4 Reply #33 - Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:04am Harvey, have you ever heard of the word "Love"? Are you familiar with the concept of Karma?
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Reply #34 - Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:45am

Mogenblue wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:04am:

Harvey, have you ever heard of the word "Love"?
Are you familiar with the concept of Karma?

No! I don't know the word 'love' or the concept 'Karma'!

Are you friggin' serious??? I was in Amsterdam in 1978 as a young man. I saw and experienced(being in these places) all the legal cafe's that sold hash and grass! Plus vegetarian food. I did not partake in any of it(drugs), but I drank huge amounts of Amstel beer!...Today, Hash and grass is still legal in Amsterdam, up to one once, 29 grams, in personal possession...I know you are a vegetarian, but do you smoke hash or grass now? Be honest.

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Mogenblue Senior Member Offline dutch spirit Posts: 370 Amsterdam Gender:	Re: "Heaven is for Real" Colton's NDE at Age 4 Reply #35 - Jun 28^th, 2012 at 1:16am Harvey, you are completely off topic.
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Reply #36 - Jun 28^th, 2012 at 1:55am

harvey wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:45am:

I was in Amsterdam in 1978 as a young man. I saw and experienced(being in these places) all the legal cafe's that sold hash and grass! Plus vegetarian food. I did not partake in any of it(drugs),

Can you proof that? It is a criminal offense in the US.

Harvey shouldn't you inform Homeland Security that a citizan of Amsterdam is infiltrating this US based forum?
You must fullfill your duties. You have to.

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Reply #37 - Jun 28^th, 2012 at 2:16am

Mogenblue wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 1:55am:

harvey wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:45am:

I was in Amsterdam in 1978 as a young man. I saw and experienced(being in these places) all the legal cafe's that sold hash and grass! Plus vegetarian food. I did not partake in any of it(drugs),

Can you proof that? It is a criminal offense in the US.

Harvey shouldn't you inform Homeland Security that a citizan of Amsterdam is infiltrating this US based forum?
You must fullfill your duties. You have to.

Use spell check, English version, and clean out your bong before you rely again!

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Mogenblue Senior Member Offline dutch spirit Posts: 370 Amsterdam Gender:	Re: "Heaven is for Real" Colton's NDE at Age 4 Reply #38 - Jun 28^th, 2012 at 3:05am harvey wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 2:16am: Use spell check, English version, and clean out your bong before you rely again! What do you mean with "rely"? Are you stoned again?
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Reply #39 - Jun 28^th, 2012 at 3:47am

Mogenblue wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 3:05am:

harvey wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 2:16am:

Use spell check, English version, and clean out your bong before you rely again!

What do you mean with "rely"?
Are you stoned again?

It looks like we have a real-sweetheart dutch clown here...I have never used illegal drugs in my present physical life....It seems you are avoiding my past inquiry...Do you smoke hashish and grass now, which is freely available in Amsterdam and legal?

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Reply #40 - Jun 28^th, 2012 at 5:24am

harvey wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:45am:

I was in Amsterdam in 1978 as a young man. I saw and experienced(being in these places) all the legal cafe's that sold hash and grass! Plus vegetarian food. I did not partake in any of it(drugs), but I drank huge amounts of Amstel beer

Everybody knows that if you pass a coffeeshop overhere the stench will slam into your face if they keep the door open. That is because they vaporize it into the air.
So if you say you were only drinking beer in "those" places you still must have been stoned like a duck because you have been inhaling the air.

Hence

my question: are you stoned again?

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ottawa1 Junior Member Offline ALK Member Posts: 71	Re: "Heaven is for Real" Colton's NDE at Age 4 Reply #41 - Jun 28^th, 2012 at 9:36am The fact that Todd's father is a minister says it all. He was the one who is the one who wrote the book (he told his kid what to say most likely). I don't discount the possibility of there being an afterlife I just discount books peddled by Christian fundamentalists.
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Reply #42 - Jun 28^th, 2012 at 9:38am

http://www.amazon.com/Heaven-Real-Little-Astounding-Story/product-reviews/084994...

some very good reviews:

e.g. "I read this book truly hoping to find an account of life after death that I could believe in. Unfortunately the story has several factual errors which cast serious doubts about the legitimacy of the story. Add that to the increasingly fantastic imagery that emerges as the boy grows older and is exposed to more Christian "schooling" and Hollywood media and the whole story loses credibility."

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Reply #43 - Jun 28^th, 2012 at 12:29pm

I believe it is important to point out that Otawa provided a link for the one star reviews, so the example reviews provided don't tell the entire story of what people think of the book.

ottawa1 wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 9:38am:

http://www.amazon.com/Heaven-Real-Little-Astounding-Story/product-reviews/084994...

some very good reviews:

e.g. "I read this book truly hoping to find an account of life after death that I could believe in. Unfortunately the story has several factual errors which cast serious doubts about the legitimacy of the story. Add that to the increasingly fantastic imagery that emerges as the boy grows older and is exposed to more Christian "schooling" and Hollywood media and the whole story loses credibility."

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ottawa1 Junior Member Offline ALK Member Posts: 71	Re: "Heaven is for Real" Colton's NDE at Age 4 Reply #44 - Jun 28^th, 2012 at 1:00pm This is true recoverer, but those reviews do sum up the problems nicely.
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